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Kellydancer
12-20-2011, 05:08 PM
I have to state I would gladly dance for free for Yoda.
yoda57us
12-20-2011, 06:31 PM
Any employer worth his salt will be thoroughly annoyed by you bringing up your expensive car and luxurious condo to support your demand for higher salary. Anyway, I am done with you. You can have the last illogical word.
Again you are missing the point. Dancers do not "work" for nor are they being "hired" by customers. Their lifestyle and their expenses are their own business. They have every right to support whatever lifestyle they see fit be it fancy cars, a college degree, a decent place to live or, yes, a friggin' solid gold vibrator if that's what makes them happy.
You need to drop this ridiculous analogy that a dancer is somehow an employee of her customers. It simply doesn't work and the same rules don't apply.
yoda57us
12-20-2011, 06:34 PM
I have to state I would gladly dance for free for Yoda.
I'm flattered Kelly. I'll make you the same offer I made to Vyanka. I'll humbly accept the freebie but you gotta let me pay for a few as well. :)
femmefatale88
12-20-2011, 07:24 PM
$20 is not a "ton of money" lol
The Jackal
12-20-2011, 08:14 PM
In life anyone can want anything. But the billion rupee question is, "Do you have what it takes to get what you want?" If you want something which is beyond your means then it is a recipe for misery. You will stress yourself out for nothing.
Kellydancer
12-20-2011, 09:36 PM
It's a deal Yoda.
yoda57us
12-21-2011, 04:44 AM
In life anyone can want anything. But the billion rupee question is, "Do you have what it takes to get what you want?" If you want something which is beyond your means then it is a recipe for misery. You will stress yourself out for nothing.
Then again, if you want something badly enough and are willing to work hard enough for it, who knows, you may actually get it!
KS_Stevia
12-21-2011, 06:22 AM
Opportunity cost people, its opportunity cost!
When you are sitting at a table getting tipped $20 an hour, at some point your attention will be at that table, and not adequately scanning the room for opportunities. If you sit at the $20/hr table for an hour, ignore the host, and spend time looking around the room..he's not going to invite you to sit back down because his little deal he has going on is an ego boost to him, sitting with hot girls, shooting the shit.
So, by all means, sit at the $20/hr table, for a few minutes...but its important to keep mingling, check out prospects at the bar, even sometimes guys walking in are ready targets, go chat with people that can help you make money and improve your social capital, go tip a friend on stage and use that as an opportunity to make your way to some custies.
That one table....the $20/hr table...every club has that guy and THOSE girls who are either new, shy, lazy, drunks, etc....the girls who sit at those tables aren't even competition because, quite frankly they are doing it wrong.
But again, if that's what the OP wants to do and is open about, and girls are willing to overlook opportunity cost and make $20 an hour while getting too drunk and sloppy to really hustle...by all means, have at it.
The Jackal
12-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Then again, if you want something badly enough and are willing to work hard enough for it, who knows, you may actually get it!
There is a difference between working hard and bitching hard. Did you know that?
Let me tell you. In case, you did not know the difference. Bitching hard will get you nothing. Working hard will help your improve your life.
rickdugan
12-21-2011, 10:32 AM
There is a difference between working hard and bitching hard. Did you know that?
Let me tell you. In case, you did not know the difference. Bitching hard will get you nothing. Working hard will help your improve your life.
And what does any of that have to do with the price of apples? Seriously dude, you are all over the place.
The OP was trying to figure out how he was perceived when he tipped $20 on stage but did not otherwise spend much money buying services. The general consensus was that he would be viewed in an ok light, but that he shouldn't expect any statues built in his honor (attribution to yoda) as $20 does not go very far. One dancer took exception to the general consensus by stating that $20 may be a lot to some and that more appreciation may be in order. Then, out of the blue, you start posting nonsense about the relative value of employees not being tied to their personal expenses.
I see where you were trying to go with that, but it just does not work. The more appropriate analogy is to think of each dancer as her own self contained small business. Like any business, each dancer must cover her costs of doing business (house fees, tipouts, transportation expenses, etc.) as well as take enough money after business expenses to live off of. Beyond that, each dancer, like any business, looks to maximize profits.
If I owned a deli in Manhattan, I could not sell roast beef sandwiches for 50 cents because my cost of doing business, nevermind my need to take money home to feed the family, would not be met. Similarly, a dancer cannot burn a large chunk of time on a guy who gives her $20 because she would go home broke.
Does this make sense? ;)
The Jackal
12-21-2011, 11:06 AM
And what does any of that have to do with the price of apples? Seriously dude, you are all over the place.
The OP was trying to figure out how he was perceived when he tipped $20 on stage but did not otherwise spend much money buying services. The general consensus was that he would be viewed in an ok light, but that he shouldn't expect any statues built in his honor (attribution to yoda) as $20 does not go very far. One dancer took exception to the general consensus by stating that $20 may be a lot to some and that more appreciation may be in order. Then, out of the blue, you start posting nonsense about the relative value of employees not being tied to their personal expenses.
I see where you were trying to go with that, but it just does not work. The more appropriate analogy is to think of each dancer as her own self contained small business. Like any business, each dancer must cover her costs of doing business (house fees, tipouts, transportation expenses, etc.) as well as take enough money after business expenses to live off of. Beyond that, each dancer, like any business, looks to maximize profits.
If I owned a deli in Manhattan, I could not sell roast beef sandwiches for 50 cents because my cost of doing business, nevermind my need to take money home to feed the family, would not be met. Similarly, a dancer cannot burn a large chunk of time on a guy who gives her $20 because she would go home broke.
Does this make sense? ;)
What it got to do with the price of oranges? Your enthusiasm is commendable but you need to curtail it. Go back and read my posts, carefully. Then come back and we will talk.
Deal?
rickdugan
12-21-2011, 11:47 AM
What it got to do with the price of oranges? Your enthusiasm is commendable but you need to curtail it. Go back and read my posts, carefully. Then come back and we will talk.
Deal?
I'm the second person that you have accused of not reading your nonsensical posts carefully enough. I did read them and either they were as dumb as I believe that they were or the points that you were trying to make were so subtle that they were not readily apparent. My vote is for the former. ;)
You remind me of another poster around these parts who routinely claims that what he is trying to say is misunderstood. IME, if a post is incorrectly interpreted by multiple parties, the fault usually lies with the poster's communication abilities rather than the readers of the post. Just some food for thought.
Kalypso
12-22-2011, 01:22 AM
Actually, your comprehension skills are not fine. Nowhere did I say that the the salary has to be decided by the employer unilaterally. My post in question simply explains that the employer should and would ask you. "What do you bring to the table?"
Any employer worth his salt will be thoroughly annoyed by you bringing up your expensive car and luxurious condo to support your demand for higher salary. Anyway, I am done with you. You can have the last illogical word.
Dude, are you seriously trying to suggest that strippers just go around saying "Hey give me your money because I have bills?" Lmao! No they're just not going to waste time on a cheap ass for that reason. Strippers do expect to get paid for what they bring to the table: the entertainment, companionship, etc they provide.
There is a difference between working hard and bitching hard. Did you know that?
Let me tell you. In case, you did not know the difference. Bitching hard will get you nothing. Working hard will help your improve your life.
Aaaaah I think it all makes sense now. You don't think stripping qualifies as hard work?
Kessler
12-22-2011, 02:36 AM
What it got to do with the price of oranges? Your enthusiasm is commendable but you need to curtail it. Go back and read my posts, carefully. Then come back and we will talk. Deal?
Using snark in this way implies that maybe you don't have substance behind it. I invite you to respond with a real answer to Rick's comments.
I have a few questions of my own...
Your second post focuses on how you think dancers should get paid what they're worth and not get paid to support their rich lifestyles. You go so far as to state that no employer would give someone more money simply because they stated that they needed to bankroll their lavish lifestyle.
But in your response to Yoda, you stated how that post was meant to convey that some people shouldn't live beyond their means. Do you mean the dancers or customers? And how does this relate to how a dancer's worth should be decided?
These are two different ideas.
Finally, what the fuck do they have to do with the original poster's question about tipping?
The Jackal
12-22-2011, 10:49 AM
Dude, are you seriously trying to suggest that strippers just go around saying "Hey give me your money because I have bills?" Lmao! No they're just not going to waste time on a cheap ass for that reason. Strippers do expect to get paid for what they bring to the table: the entertainment, companionship, etc they provide.
Aaaaah I think it all makes sense now. You don't think stripping qualifies as hard work?
1. I did not suggest that strippers just go around saying "Hey give me your money because I have bills?"
2. I do not think stripping is an easy work. It is a very hard work both mentally and physically.
The Jackal
12-22-2011, 11:04 AM
Rick Dugan,
If one person is dumb. He is dumb. If two persons are dumb. They are still dumb. If three persons are dumb. They are still dumb...
It is an infinite series. It is called Jackal's Theorem of Infinite Dumbness. I hope it made sense to you.
rickdugan
12-22-2011, 11:43 AM
Rick Dugan,
If one person is dumb. He is dumb. If two persons are dumb. They are still dumb. If three persons are dumb. They are still dumb...
It is an infinite series. It is called Jackal's Theorem of Infinite Dumbness. I hope it made sense to you.
Wow, that was...profound. So your points were simply too subtle for lesser beings to comprehend. Got it. ;)
Are you sure that you spelled your screen name correctly when you created your profile? Idk, but for some reason The Jackass seems much more apropos.
cherryblossomsinspring
12-22-2011, 12:24 PM
Ok so the ops question statement was that he doesn't like Lds or vips. Got that. He likes stage dances. But he's worried about how the dancer feels about him knowing that she's expecting to make more money off stage?
Well you like what you like and she makes her money the way she normally does. So enjoy what you like and let her make her money that way she normally does.
I think you need not be worried about how she'll see you when you already know how she sees you. This will not change unless you drop much more money during the dance. $20.00 is better than $1 just based on simple math but she'll be appreciative and move on to where she'll make more money.
So I'm not sure what you are looking for exactly. Perhaps tip her every time she goes on stage but maybe bump it up to $40.
Sad to stay but from what I've read , stage dances have taken a back seat to what happens in the back now. So trust that there aren't enough of the "stage dance lovers" to make a dancers night any longer. The game has changed to guys holding their money for a more intimate setting.
All you can do is appreciate what you are there for and tell her that you enjoy the stage shows. Just tip accordingly. You may even want to tip her when she gets off stage and say that you don't do dances but you really enjoyed her set. Then $$$, smile thank her and walk away.
This way not only do you show your appreciation , you tipped her and then you just allowed her to go and chat with someone else that has more to spend. It shows that you respect what she's there to do.
Kellydancer
12-22-2011, 12:33 PM
Jackal is from India that should explain a lot to everyone. Indians thinks dancers are whores and that women are worthless. Oh and let's not forget that Americans are stupid too according to them. So you have to look at his insane comments from that (wrong)viewpoint.
All Good Things
12-22-2011, 04:53 PM
It is called Jackal's Theorem of Infinite Dumbness.
Dear pedantic jackass,
The term "dumbness" in Standard English (S.E.) most commonly refers to the state of being incapable of speech.
It is rarely used to denote the state of being "dumb," as in "ignorant." And even that meaning was stolen from the German.
Anyway, the term you are looking for is "ignorance" or "stupidity," both of which are used between 50 and 80 times more commonly in S.E. writing.
This same rule applies to Indian English and British English from which the former is derived.
So unless your "theorem" (which is trivial) is intended to be a profound statement about people who are mute, you've only succeeded in demonstrating your own ignorance.
alvida
12-22-2011, 05:01 PM
Jackal is from India that should explain a lot to everyone. Indians thinks dancers are whores and that women are worthless. Oh and let's not forget that Americans are stupid too according to them. So you have to look at his insane comments from that (wrong)viewpoint.
You're kidding right? Don't blame his insane comments and viewpoints on his country of origin.
I'm Indian and a dancer and have met both great Indian custies and terrible ones, same goes with every other race/ethnicity-there are good and bad....not only that but the majority of Indians treat women very well and have no problem with Americans. I'm surprised/frustrated that you're stereotyping a whole ethnicity like this.
Kellydancer
12-22-2011, 05:17 PM
You're kidding right? Don't blame his insane comments and viewpoints on his country of origin.
I'm Indian and a dancer and have met both great Indian custies and terrible ones, same goes with every other race/ethnicity-there are good and bad....not only that but the majority of Indians treat women very well and have no problem with Americans. I'm surprised/frustrated that you're stereotyping a whole ethnicity like this.
I've yet to meet an Indian man who treated women well. I have only met those who think American women are whores and that we should be secondary to their views. Then they come here and push their hatred on Americans. If I ever meet a great Indian man I'll take it back but has never happened.
alvida
12-22-2011, 05:32 PM
I've yet to meet an Indian man who treated women well. I have only met those who think American women are whores and that we should be secondary to their views. Then they come here and push their hatred on Americans. If I ever meet a great Indian man I'll take it back but has never happened.
Well, I surely hope then that you meet at least one Indian guy who is a gentleman then so you can change your narrowminded/limited experience based opinion... India is definitely one of the more progressive and tolerant countries in that area of the world. There are a lot of Indian men who ONLY date white women and treat them extremely well.
Just don't judge the whole race on what you've expierienced...theres a billion Indians out there that you haven't met. Thats like someone who only frequents a HM club being like "All dancers are whores and suck cock for money and push their STDs on people". Just because they've never met better doesn't mean better doesn't exist and that they should immediately think that of EVERY dancer.
Kellydancer
12-22-2011, 05:36 PM
Most guys think dancers are whores so I'm used to that mentality and do not care. But until I meet one decent Indian guy I will continue to feel the way I do because experience has shown me this is so.
alvida
12-22-2011, 05:48 PM
Most guys think dancers are whores so I'm used to that mentality and do not care. But until I meet one decent Indian guy I will continue to feel the way I do because experience has shown me this is so.
Whether you care or not, you're missing the point of my example...the fact remains that it is still wrong to stereotype all the people you have not met based on race. Anyways, I hope your experiences change then and you realize not ALL Indians are so terrible and don't deserve your hatred/harsh judgement. -sigh-
yoda57us
12-22-2011, 06:07 PM
There is a difference between working hard and bitching hard. Did you know that?
Yes there is. There is also a difference between talking about your job on a dancer support site and actually doing your job at the club. Maybe you should consider the venue that you are in right now. We are not in a club.
Let me tell you. In case, you did not know the difference. Bitching hard will get you nothing. Working hard will help your improve your life.
No shit? Really?
Swagz
12-22-2011, 06:30 PM
Most guys think dancers are whores so I'm used to that mentality and do not care. But until I meet one decent Indian guy I will continue to feel the way I do because experience has shown me this is so.
I don't know, some of my best customers have been Indian (and one of my best bfs) /:O Keep an open mind! They can probably smell the negativity.
Djoser
12-22-2011, 09:31 PM
As far as 20$ being chickenshit money in an upscale scale Manhattan club? I have no doubt of that at all.
I've gotten a reputation as a big spender down here without ever getting a lapdance, because I usually tip the fuck out of the dancers I like, and will buy drinks for almost any dancer sitting on my couch or at my table. But up there, I'd be just another guy, and probably not one of the better spenders.
'When in Rome...'
I can't stand lapdances (in the clubs) for many reasons, but the first thing I will say when a dancer starts the Hustle on me is that I don't get them. The ones who are sick of lapdancing will tend to appreciate the tips and drinks and stick around. The hustlers who like lapdances for money it brings them will usually move on. Everybody's happy.
Also, I have to say, I have seen some genuine artistic performances on stage, and generally I will tip very well when I do--but it's increasingly rare these days.
The Jackal
12-23-2011, 01:43 AM
You're kidding right? Don't blame his insane comments and viewpoints on his country of origin.
I'm Indian and a dancer and have met both great Indian custies and terrible ones, same goes with every other race/ethnicity-there are good and bad....not only that but the majority of Indians treat women very well and have no problem with Americans. I'm surprised/frustrated that you're stereotyping a whole ethnicity like this.
There were no insane comments from me. Feel free to read the entire exchange to grasp the perspective. If you are trying to win over her then I can assure you that the exercise would prove futile. Racism is never based on objective experiences. It is based on unfounded hatred and prejudice. There were no posts from me which suggested that I think Americans are stupid or American women are whore. Yet, she accused me of those things. If she can lie about me then she can easily lie about her so called negative experiences with other Indian men.
The Jackal
12-23-2011, 02:35 AM
I don't know, some of my best customers have been Indian (and one of my best bfs) /:O Keep an open mind! They can probably smell the negativity.
Thank you!
I would not spend even a dime on a person who hates me; forget about $20.00. :)
unbeleavable
12-23-2011, 09:30 AM
Jackal is from India that should explain a lot to everyone. Indians thinks dancers are whores and that women are worthless. Oh and let's not forget that Americans are stupid too according to them. So you have to look at his insane comments from that (wrong)viewpoint.
Kelly my clientele is about 85% Indian because Americans don't have money or credit. Indians are very smart people, over 60% of Microsoft workforce is Indian because of IT. I'm very knowledgeable about vastu & auspicious dates & their culture, they don't hate Americans & they aren't violent. I hate negotiating with them because they see that as a sport & its mentally draining to go 12 rounds over a dollar but they are good people.
The Jackal is a jackass because of what he says not because he's Indian, as once stated in another thread.
Kellydancer
12-23-2011, 12:44 PM
Kelly my clientele is about 85% Indian because Americans don't have money or credit. Indians are very smart people, over 60% of Microsoft workforce is Indian because of IT. I'm very knowledgeable about vastu & auspicious dates & their culture, they don't hate Americans & they aren't violent. I hate negotiating with them because they see that as a sport & its mentally draining to go 12 rounds over a dollar but they are good people.
The Jackal is a jackass because of what he says not because he's Indian, as once stated in another thread.
I don't think they are violent. However, the reason why they have money and Americans don't is because they are stealing our jobs. That aside and I have never had anything but bad luck with them. The men have been nasty to me.
KS_Stevia
12-23-2011, 07:41 PM
Kelly my clientele is about 85% Indian because Americans don't have money or credit. Indians are very smart people, over 60% of Microsoft workforce is Indian because of IT. I'm very knowledgeable about vastu & auspicious dates & their culture, they don't hate Americans & they aren't violent. I hate negotiating with them because they see that as a sport & its mentally draining to go 12 rounds over a dollar but they are good people.
The Jackal is a jackass because of what he says not because he's Indian, as once stated in another thread.
My experience exactly. Many of my customers and coworkers and many friends are Indian and most are super cool. I really hate the haggling process though so I always quote them high because I know its going to come down.
But that's just a cultural thing. Its not my favorite, but there are plenty of american cultural habits I don't care for once I've been out of this place for a while and come back.
The Jackal
12-23-2011, 08:10 PM
^ Here is Russel Peters perspective:
IWonAMathDebate
12-24-2011, 11:32 AM
for the meatheads and meatheadettes.....if you read the OP....
the "$20" is a reference to just tipping for a stage performance, just a tip for what they are doing for the entire audience. I would imagine most girls don't really rely on STAGE dances for their income (hence the whole LD/PD thrust). The course of a night might mean a total $200-300 tipping for the riguer of STAGE dancing because that is what I want to incentivize. How much do guys usually tip for a STAGE dance? I've never seen but a smattering of $1 in all my visits across the country.
I can watch street performers or small clubs and see artists (usually musicians or comedians) trying to make a living through performance art and get the same enjoyment. Stripping was viewed in the same vein. If a girl is putting a lot into a dance, it shows. I don't get anything out of LD, so why would I go even deeper with a private dance? Derp.
I may throw a $10 or $20 in your guitar case, but that doesn't mean I want to buy your new CD
(and it doesn't mean that "oh, please like me!! I gave you money, so give me attention..I'm so pitiful" <---- thats how stupid of wanting girls to like you is).
To put yourself out there and express yourself, I think that deserves affirmation and appreciation from your audience, because that takes serious balls.
http://seeliveeat.com/wp-content/uploads/Royal-Street.jpg
The requisite "IGOTTAGETSMYMONEY! PAYME!" from the stripping community here were par for the course and missed the point. Have a lovely holiday
yoda57us
12-24-2011, 11:38 AM
I have no problem dropping a ton of money on stage dancers, but I've never really been into private dances. I recognize that this is where many girls make a good deal of their money, but is it 'normal' to go to a club and not hound for VIP treatment? I'll spend $20 easy for a stage dancer if she puts a lot into her performance. I'm even down for quick lap dances at my table, but I'm not interested in dropping $40+ on a private dance, is that okay?
I've been to clubs (dives) where the girls will get up and start getting cunty and being loud about guys not getting dances (lol), but if you're making your money, does it matter (do you take it personal if a guy shows up but doesn't want to go to the backroom with you for a wad of dough)?
Dude, you came to an open forum and asked some questions. Sorry if you didn't like the answers but that's life...
All Good Things
12-24-2011, 12:54 PM
His juvenile screen name sort of gave him away from the start. When you combine that with blatant disrespect and ugly vulgarity, you see the OP's true colors.
You'd think somebody from New Orleans would have a sliver of class rub off from the city itself.
Having said all that, I think his problem is genuine.
He doesn't like LDs or CRs and is trying to make up for it at stage by tipping $20s. That's behavior to be encouraged, at least over the span of a full night. As everybody here knows, though, tipping $20s at stage is usually a sign of interest, and is likely to increase the number of dancers approaching the OP to buy dances or CRs, which is what he finds irritating.
KS_Stevia's advice early in this thread to sit close to stage and focus on the stage performances was an excellent solution -- not sure why he didn't see that.
The other solution for his particular case is to buy out some time from a couple of dancers to sit at stage and tip with him. I'm not sure he's willing to spend in the high-hundreds-to-low-thousands range, which is the cost of a full night of 3 people tipping $20s at stage for each stage set. But he could buy an hour or two from a single dancer to help him out.
The idea is that the girls will serve as cover from direct approaches except in the most aggressive hustle clubs. He will need to make it clear as soon as possible that he just prefers to tip the stage and doesn't really like dances. Word will get around. However, he'll also be spending on the mid-to-high end and should attract some playful attention -- meaning girls to help him out on this strategy -- for that reason alone.
Natalllia
12-24-2011, 01:03 PM
OP- I just dropped in to say that the duet pictured in your latest post is freaking AMAZING (esp the girl on violin), so when you see them on Royal St., please do drop a $10 or $20 in their tip basket!!;D;D
As far as your original question, I feel like it has been answered, debated, answered some more, and beaten to death at this point. But here it is again: $20 for a stage tip is appreciated, but that's about it. Lots of people tip $1s and $5s, some tip $20s and even $100s. It's very nice, please keep tipping, but that's not where the bulk of our money comes from. It's your prerogative to spend your money as you see fit, so if you don't want a private dance, don't buy one. Just don't waste the girls' time. This means if you don't intend to buy a dance, be sure to tell the dancers who approach you right away. Okay?
And a lovely holiday to you too. :)
ILikeHamSammichs
12-24-2011, 01:20 PM
for the meatheads and meatheadettes.....if you read the OP....
the "$20" is a reference to just tipping for a stage performance, just a tip for what they are doing for the entire audience. I would imagine most girls don't really rely on STAGE dances for their income (hence the whole LD/PD thrust). The course of a night might mean a total $200-300 tipping for the riguer of STAGE dancing because that is what I want to incentivize. How much do guys usually tip for a STAGE dance? I've never seen but a smattering of $1 in all my visits across the country.
I can watch street performers or small clubs and see artists (usually musicians or comedians) trying to make a living through performance art and get the same enjoyment. Stripping was viewed in the same vein. If a girl is putting a lot into a dance, it shows. I don't get anything out of LD, so why would I go even deeper with a private dance? Derp.
I may throw a $10 or $20 in your guitar case, but that doesn't mean I want to buy your new CD
(and it doesn't mean that "oh, please like me!! I gave you money, so give me attention..I'm so pitiful" <---- thats how stupid of wanting girls to like you is).
To put yourself out there and express yourself, I think that deserves affirmation and appreciation from your audience, because that takes serious balls.
http://seeliveeat.com/wp-content/uploads/Royal-Street.jpg
The requisite "IGOTTAGETSMYMONEY! PAYME!" from the stripping community here were par for the course and missed the point. Have a lovely holiday
I absolutely agree 100%
IWonAMathDebate
12-24-2011, 01:28 PM
His juvenile screen name sort of gave him away from the start.
obviously, you have no sense of humor
He doesn't like LDs or CRs and is trying to make up for it at stage by tipping $20s.
eh, no.
There is no "making up for it". I could tip $1 or nothing. After paying my idiot tax at the door, I could just show up and drink and rebuff all LD requests. I tip for performances that show effort, nothing else.
Typically, MOST of the time, the girls that put the most effort into dancing (again, this wouldn't be the upscale Gentlemen's Clubs) aren't the best looking. When they are on the STAGE, they certainly put some thought into what they are doing. Many times at places like this, the better looking girls can get by (and get their LDs) just by showing up.
not sure why he didn't see that.
been there and appreciated - we're discussing the meathead interpretations of the OP :O
Also, WHERE did you read I'm from New Orleans (more make-believe over-analyzing). You're taking yourself way too seriously
The other solution for his particular case is to buy out some time from a couple of dancers to sit at stage and tip with him. I'm not sure he's willing to spend in the high-hundreds-to-low-thousands range
seriously.
what.
the.
fuck.
is there a need to make this that complicated? ::)
If I want to enjoy simply LIVE performance....that doesn't mean I'm going to rent a fucking concert hall, book a band, have it catered......wow.
The Jackal
12-24-2011, 01:47 PM
As I said long time ago, there is nothing wrong with not wanting the lap dances. However you should tip at least US$50 per song if you are sitting in the first row. If a dancer is sitting with you and chatting up, you should tip her at least US$25 per song.
All Good Things
12-24-2011, 01:48 PM
obviously, you have no sense of humor
My sense of humor does not include jokes for 10-year-old boys -- "Say it real fast and it means 'I wanna masturbate'" haw haw haw.
Also, WHERE did you read I'm from New Orleans (more make-believe over-analyzing). You're taking yourself way too seriously
I assumed you did not live in a swamp in south-central Louisiana (your location below your avatar) and since you switched the photo in your post from a close-up to a broader street scene in the French Quarter of New Orleans, I thought it likely that you lived there.
This is not "over-analyzing" as much as "thinking." Some of us do this automatically.
seriously.
what.
the.
fuck.
I obviously mis-judged your willingness to spend money. Real money, I mean. If you really want to know what will dramatically improve your SC experience, that's the best advice I have.
Natalllia
12-25-2011, 09:13 AM
I assumed you did not live in a swamp in south-central Louisiana (your location below your avatar) and since you switched the photo in your post from a close-up to a broader street scene in the French Quarter of New Orleans, I thought it likely that you lived there.
There are actual places to live on dry land in the Atchafalaya Basin. The OP probably lives within a couple hours of New Orleans. Close enough to venture into the Quarter when the mood strikes, but not a resident of NOLA.
I don't want to get into the rest of it, other than to say people do tip strippers for time (sitting at the table for conversation), and you don't have to rent out a concert hall to do it. You can simply hand her some $20s and enjoy her company.
IWonAMathDebate
12-25-2011, 10:55 AM
let me say this.....
ALL the posts offered by professionals and customers is truly appreciated. I apologize if some of my clarifications come off snarky or biting, I certainly don't have anything against any of you here and I appreciate your personal experiences and work (a perspective not many would have). Once again, thank you all who participated and hope y'all have a great new year.
This forum is insightful and has helped me gain a deeper understanding (shall we say appreciation) for the profession. It takes all types, I realize, and I suppose I had a romanticized view of the craft from my visits through adulthood. I entertained a fantasy of believing that dancers/strippers are artists. I've known a few that at least presented themselves as such, dated one that was no where near that mindset (that seemed to be shared by most strippers I've encountered, even the male ones). I suppose it is a liberal-minded, free-spirited expressionist attitude I thought existed, where the performer lived to get on stage and be empowered by the captivating power she could wield. I know, "come back to earth, moron", is what you're thinking.....you're right. I think this delusion of mine probably muddied how I presented myself in this thread and caused me to be less than courteous.
There are a lot of things at work (IMO) in being able to stomach the work, being able to do something most people would dread doing (getting up before an audience and doing anything, let alone taking your clothes off for all to judge). I am a musician (not by trade) and do stand-up as a hobby. As a former collegiate athlete, I understand how there simply isn't anything as exhilarating as putting yourself out there (and receiving appreciation/affirmation for what you've done).
I think there is also the natural resentment of the "job" and your clientele, that truly is present in all professions. I love my job, but there are times when the burden of the "have-to" sucks the life and zest out of doing what I should be enjoying.
In short, the advice and insight has been helpful and has educated me on how I should conduct (and temper my expectations) myself should I visit a SC in the future. Thanks
The Jackal
12-25-2011, 11:00 AM
^ You are welcome. The dynamics are simple. Come in with adequate money. Spend them and then leave. It does not matter if you spend them on stage shows or lap dances.
Natalllia
12-25-2011, 12:22 PM
There are a lot of things at work (IMO) in being able to stomach the work, being able to do something most people would dread doing (getting up before an audience and doing anything, let alone taking your clothes off for all to judge). I am a musician (not by trade) and do stand-up as a hobby. As a former collegiate athlete, I understand how there simply isn't anything as exhilarating as putting yourself out there (and receiving appreciation/affirmation for what you've done).
It's funny you mention that - I've been a soloist in choirs before, and it is 1000x easier to dance naked onstage for a bunch of strangers than it is to sing a solo in front of an auditorium. For me, anyway. I couldn't even imagine trying to do stand-up.
yoda57us
12-25-2011, 01:33 PM
let me say this.....
This forum is insightful and has helped me gain a deeper understanding (shall we say appreciation) for the profession. It takes all types, I realize, and I suppose I had a romanticized view of the craft from my visits through adulthood. I entertained a fantasy of believing that dancers/strippers are artists. I've known a few that at least presented themselves as such, dated one that was no where near that mindset (that seemed to be shared by most strippers I've encountered, even the male ones). I suppose it is a liberal-minded, free-spirited expressionist attitude I thought existed, where the performer lived to get on stage and be empowered by the captivating power she could wield. I know, "come back to earth, moron", is what you're thinking.....you're right. I think this delusion of mine probably muddied how I presented myself in this thread and caused me to be less than courteous.
In all fairness to your original thought process, if you had been a customer in clubs 20 or so years ago you might very well have encountered dancers who thought of the job more as you want to perceive it. When I first started going to clubs dancers worked 15 or 20 minute stage sets alone on stage and worked for tips only-no private dances existed back then. The ladies all wheeled trunks full of costumes with them to whatever club they were going to. Clubs had rules about how fast you could disrobe and phrases like "floor work" and "lingerie show" or "lotion show" actually meant something. Dancers had gowns, sexy lingerie and blankets for floor work. They couldn't just come out and get naked in one song. It was a show and the girls treated it that way. Don't get me wrong, it was still a job and girls did it for the money but the way you moved on stage and worked your various stages of undressing could have a huge effect on your money.
Those days are gone...
The private lap dance changed everything. Over a period of a decade or so the way dancers made the bulk of their money shifted from the stage to the private dance or VIP area and the amount of money that could be made in a night increased dramatically. Stage sets went from solo performance to three or four girls on stage at a time for two or three songs at a time. Dancers began to view stage sets as something to try and avoid so that they could stay on the floor selling. Dancing became a sales job. Not that it wasn't always but much more blatantly so.
Your a man, men like to look at pretty naked women. It's not a crime for the viewer to try and romanticize the job, hell, I used to do it back then. I used to put those pretty naked girls on some pretty high pedestals back in the 80's. Once the LD took over and conversation (ie the sales pitch) became part of the equation and I started getting to know some dancers it became much more clear to me what their motivation was for dancing. Trust me, the quickest way to get brought back to earth is to carry on a conversation with someone who actually does the job.
The Jackal
12-25-2011, 03:04 PM
^ That was a good post. I did not realize it was from you until after I thanked you. Quite frankly, it surprised me to see a post of that quality from you. :)
yoda57us
12-25-2011, 03:26 PM
^ That was a good post. I did not realize it was from you until after I thanked you. Quite frankly, it surprised me to see a post of that quality from you. :)
You can feel free to remove your thanks if t makes you feel dirty...
The Jackal
12-25-2011, 04:03 PM
You can feel free to remove your thanks if t makes you feel dirty...
I am a man who gives the credit where it is due. That was a good post. I wish you would stick to writing constructive posts like that one as opposed to starting fights with new comers like myself. That post shows that you have a potential to write good constructive posts if you choose to.