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yoda57us
12-25-2011, 04:12 PM
^ Jackal, you're credibility ship has already sailed as far as I'm concerned. I've been around here for almost ten years and the last thing I need is posting advice from a punk with a superiority complex.

When you stop insulting people who don't agree with you and talking down to the board in general I may be more inclined to take you seriously. I'm not holding my breath...

The Jackal
12-25-2011, 04:28 PM
^ Jackal, you're credibility ship has already sailed as far as I'm concerned. I've been around here for almost ten years and the last thing I need is posting advice from a punk with a superiority complex.

When you stop insulting people who don't agree with you and talking down to the board in general I may be more inclined to take you seriously. I'm not holding my breath...

It is ironical that you are calling me punk and giving me advice on being civil. That is messed up.

yoda57us
12-25-2011, 04:31 PM
^ What can I say, I love irony...

William Folds
12-25-2011, 11:08 PM
Just spent the last 20 minutes reading about alpha and beta males on seduction technique blogs. What in the world won't people write about on the Internet? :rotfl:

cherryblossomsinspring
12-26-2011, 03:48 AM
:-[Wow I was actually turned on by that back and forth between you two men :) *** tingles****

Vyanka
12-26-2011, 01:48 PM
In all fairness to your original thought process, if you had been a customer in clubs 20 or so years ago you might very well have encountered dancers who thought of the job more as you want to perceive it. When I first started going to clubs dancers worked 15 or 20 minute stage sets alone on stage and worked for tips only-no private dances existed back then. The ladies all wheeled trunks full of costumes with them to whatever club they were going to. Clubs had rules about how fast you could disrobe and phrases like "floor work" and "lingerie show" or "lotion show" actually meant something. Dancers had gowns, sexy lingerie and blankets for floor work. They couldn't just come out and get naked in one song. It was a show and the girls treated it that way. Don't get me wrong, it was still a job and girls did it for the money but the way you moved on stage and worked your various stages of undressing could have a huge effect on your money.

Those days are gone...

The private lap dance changed everything. Over a period of a decade or so the way dancers made the bulk of their money shifted from the stage to the private dance or VIP area and the amount of money that could be made in a night increased dramatically. Stage sets went from solo performance to three or four girls on stage at a time for two or three songs at a time. Dancers began to view stage sets as something to try and avoid so that they could stay on the floor selling. Dancing became a sales job. Not that it wasn't always but much more blatantly so.

Your a man, men like to look at pretty naked women. It's not a crime for the viewer to try and romanticize the job, hell, I used to do it back then. I used to put those pretty naked girls on some pretty high pedestals back in the 80's. Once the LD took over and conversation (ie the sales pitch) became part of the equation and I started getting to know some dancers it became much more clear to me what their motivation was for dancing. Trust me, the quickest way to get brought back to earth is to carry on a conversation with someone who actually does the job.

I wanna cry. Those women had it made back then. *sigh* I'm jealous.

yoda57us
12-26-2011, 02:35 PM
I wanna cry. Those women had it made back then. *sigh* I'm jealous.

My ATF has been dancing for twenty years. She remembers those days very well and she would most likely agree with you. Being around that long has made her sort of a hybrid among the girls she works with however. She doesn't dodge stage sets and doesn't insist on there being guys at the stage tipping before she takes her bottoms off. OTOH, she can sell dances and VIP with the best of em. She sells a lot of them as soon as she comes off stage because, when she's up there, she's always smiling and acting like she wants to be there. She also has no problem working five days a week if that's what it takes to have a decent week. There are a lot of crappy $200 or $300 days over the last few years but she remembers when that was a good day back when she started.

I didn't mean for this to be a tribute to my friend and ATF. Truthfully there are a few girls I know who've been at it almost as long as she has and share a similar approach and work ethic. I think it's much tougher for girls starting out today than it was back then because it's not just about dancing anymore. It's about selling, contact and how much you can tolerate.

Kellydancer
12-26-2011, 09:18 PM
I just missed those days, I became a dancer when gentlemen's clubs were a hot thing and so were table dances. To be fair though a few early clubs I danced at were stage only and we didn't do dances so I suppose that is close to what you mean. However it was all about selling no contact air dances and was about the fantasy.

The Jackal
12-26-2011, 09:29 PM
^ What can I say, I love irony...

You should get yourself thoroughly checked. I say this in all earnest.

yoda57us
12-26-2011, 09:39 PM
You should get yourself thoroughly checked. I say this in all earnest.

And you should just STFU...

Vyanka
12-26-2011, 09:39 PM
I just missed those days, I became a dancer when gentlemen's clubs were a hot thing and so were table dances. To be fair though a few early clubs I danced at were stage only and we didn't do dances so I suppose that is close to what you mean. However it was all about selling no contact air dances and was about the fantasy.

Now we have men that make it rain 20 bucks and get called in for $60.


I keed...I keed. :P

Kellydancer
12-27-2011, 10:43 AM
Even back then we had cheapos who thought $1 was a lot but also had the guys who let it rain.