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rickdugan
10-28-2011, 05:11 AM
You guys are wonderful at quoting some of what I write, taking it out of context and twisting it to make me look like an asshole.

Ok, then how should we interpret this:

You either rape the customer, who has the option not to come back... or the dancer who sometimes feel like they don't have a choice. Hate to say it, but it's a lot easier to get fresh girls in enough to support a turnover due to $110 house fees, it's a lot harder to charge customers double for the same thing to drive that fee down for the dancers. Girls will always "need" somewhere to work, customers usually don't give a shit where they go to spend their disposable income and are always looking for the best deal.

If your meaning is being misinterpreted, the fault lies in your inability to communicate rather than with a large group of readers who draw the same conclusions based upon your statements.


I'm not judging any of you. I know one of you, but even then I just know who you are, we have a mutual friend and we've worked at the same club at the same time.

And? You started with "I'm not judging any of you" and then threw in a completely irrelevant comment about knowing one of the dancers. What was the purpose of that? Are you trying to establish some type of "street cred" with that?


I could spend the time posting and easing my way in, but I'm going to do what I always do - just go balls out and if you guys like it cool, if not, you'll get to know that's just how I am.

Fine, but then man up and stop whining about that static that you get when you go "balls out" on a stripper support site.

lifetravelergirl
10-28-2011, 02:33 PM
I am almost afraid to say it but it seems like some people are being a little hard on StripClubPsych, as far as I can tell (I read all his posts) he is just trying to share his experience/knowledge. Seems like we might be being a little overly critical?

StripClubPsych
10-28-2011, 02:45 PM
Ok, then how should we interpret this:

You either rape the customer, who has the option not to come back... or the dancer who sometimes feel like they don't have a choice. Hate to say it, but it's a lot easier to get fresh girls in enough to support a turnover due to $110 house fees, it's a lot harder to charge customers double for the same thing to drive that fee down for the dancers. Girls will always "need" somewhere to work, customers usually don't give a shit where they go to spend their disposable income and are always looking for the best deal.

If your meaning is being misinterpreted, the fault lies in your inability to communicate rather than with a large group of readers who draw the same conclusions based upon your statements.



And? You started with "I'm not judging any of you" and then threw in a completely irrelevant comment about knowing one of the dancers. What was the purpose of that? Are you trying to establish some type of "street cred" with that?



Fine, but then man up and stop whining about that static that you get when you go "balls out" on a stripper support site.

I already explained what I meant. I'm not repeating myself.

Don't you guys think if I really cared or wanted the attention I'd put out there exactly who I am and exactly what clubs I've worked at and what I've done?

I haven't, and I likely won't. I'm not trying to impress anyone. I'm just sharing my experience and a different perspective of industry knowledge. Simple as that.

sierra.
10-28-2011, 02:50 PM
I am almost afraid to say it but it seems like some people are being a little hard on StripClubPsych, as far as I can tell (I read all his posts) he is just trying to share his experience/knowledge. Seems like we might be being a little overly critical?

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.

yoda57us
10-28-2011, 03:11 PM
Oh that's a guy? Whoops.

OHH the ribbons are different colors. That totally makes sense now. Carry on.

Yeah, like I said earlier, maybe read a bit and learn your way around before you start pontificating. If you simply posted on threads instead of starting one and proclaiming yourself an expert my hunch is your posts would be going down a little easier with folks.



You either rape the customer, who has the option not to come back... or the dancer who sometimes feel like they don't have a choice. Hate to say it, but it's a lot easier to get fresh girls in enough to support a turnover due to $110 house fees, it's a lot harder to charge customers double for the same thing to drive that fee down for the dancers. Girls will always "need" somewhere to work, customers usually don't give a shit where they go to spend their disposable income and are always looking for the best deal.

I don't agree with a lot of what you have said but this is dead on accurate. Strip club owners are in business to attract customers, not dancers. It's a lot easier to fill a shift with dancers than a club with customers. Unfortunately, in my opinion, this approach is a huge part of what's wrong with clubs.

she sells sanctuary
10-29-2011, 12:29 AM
i've read every single post you've made in this thread. i totally believe you're a legit strip club manager. most of the managers i've met have looked down on custies and disliked any dancers that had the nerve to treat them as peers/coworkers rather than treating them the same way we're supposed to treat custies while we're hustling them. i've found the hypocrisy of expecting us to kiss your asses while looking down on the men who (ideally) pay us to do so really offputting and unhealthy.

we aren't misunderstanding. all we've got to work with is what you're giving us. you're making a bad impression here based on things you're saying, not all of us misunderstanding you. your sense of humor is not "dry". it apparently is just flat. i suspect that comment about nipples being a dish best looked at cold was probably a very representative example of your humor. it wasn't funny or witty in the slightest.

if you think i'm wrong, please say something humourous, even in a "dry" way. show us your a-game.

also try to say something positive about sc patrons and dancers, all in one sentence, without qualifying it to include only a small number of either or both. i know this is really hard, but just try.

mediocrity
10-29-2011, 01:55 AM
^^ You know, the nipples comment irritated me as well, but I figured it was just my short fuse. I have no sense of humour, so I'm glad to know it wasn't just me.

Additionally, what a lot of management and other staff don't realize is the girls are the cornerstone of the business. Without the girls all you've got is over priced drinks. This whole "fuck the girls" mentality is what's decaying this whole business.

The girls at my club aren't easy, but I try to help them as much as I can because I want them to succeed. Thankfully, my GM who is training me has similar thinking. Honestly, he's the best guy I've worked with in my ten years in the industry.

We are all on the same team. I don't know why that is so often forgotten.

kdogg247
10-29-2011, 07:28 AM
I'll play.

From management's perspective, are extras beneficial or harmful to the club?

Kellydancer
10-29-2011, 10:56 AM
This whole "dancers are easier to replace than customers"is bullshit and let me tell why. I once worked at a club with this mentality. They kept raising our house fees while taking a higher and higher percentage of the dances, etc. Dancers would complain but the managers had the same idea that dancers are replaceable. The result? The attractive dancers left and the club had a lot of competition from both Northwest Indiana clubs (this club was in Hammond, Indiana)and the clubs in Chicago and the south Cook County clubs, which were about 10 minutes over the border (for those who do not know, Hammond borders Chicago and Cook County). Dancers knew there were many other clubs so they left and the only dancers they could find were fat and ugly. Most were street whores, see where I am going with this? The club got busted for prostitution and was torn down years ago. One of the owners died penniless because of the charges he had.

So while clubs can find different dancers, doesn't mean they will be attractive. When the dancers went down in looks, so did the customers with money. The club started with a few businessmen and guys who worked around the club, along with traveling guys like truckdrivers. After these dancers left, many of the customers were trashy and there were many fights there. I was long gone by then but knew someone still working there then (not a dancer)and told me this.

rickdugan
10-29-2011, 12:37 PM
I already explained what I meant. I'm not repeating myself.

Fine, but then stop complaining about being misunderstood. I think that we understand what you are trying to say quite well.


You either rape the customer, who has the option not to come back... or the dancer who sometimes feel like they don't have a choice. Hate to say it, but it's a lot easier to get fresh girls in enough to support a turnover due to $110 house fees, it's a lot harder to charge customers double for the same thing to drive that fee down for the dancers. Girls will always "need" somewhere to work, customers usually don't give a shit where they go to spend their disposable income and are always looking for the best deal.

Now I am neither a dancer nor a club manager, so I'm not going to claim any great insights here, but I am in a lot of clubs each year, and many year over year, so I've developed a few opinions on this. IME the clubs that seem to be holding up the best during these hard times are the ones who treat the customers AND the dancers well. There is a symbiotic relationship between the two and the clubs that screw too much with either one seem to lose both.

When girls are treated badly, the best of them move to better locales, leaving behind the dregs. Not too many customers want to spend large sums of money in a club with three pigs, two hags and a junkie. Conversely, when customers are squeezed they go someplace where their $$$ goes further and, eventually, the girls move on as well.

I have seen clubs get dumb on either side of this equation over the past few years and, in the end, the net effect is the same. Some club owners just can't seem to accept the fact that there is just less money available for club spending and that they simply cannot make as much as they did 6 years ago, so instead they do stupid things that actually make matters worse for them. On the flip side, I can also point out a few clubs that have had amazingly low dancer turnover and seem to be holding their own on the customer front.

Anyway, just my :twocents: fwiw.

mediocrity
10-29-2011, 12:55 PM
Ok Rick, not only are you pretty accurate but the "Three pigs, two hags and a junkie" had me dying laughing.

Kellydancer
10-29-2011, 05:15 PM
Rick is completely on the mark. I've briefly (key word briefly)worked at clubs like he mentioned and with these they were trash all around, between streetwalker dancers to guys who were trash. These were the only times I didn't get mad when a guy said I was too good to work these. I generally only worked these clubs either when I needed money right away, maybe it was winter and they were closer than the better clubs, or perhaps I put on weight and wanted to lose it fast. Many of these clubs treated the customers as bad as they treated the dancers. One club in particular the joke was they hired 300+ women and over 50, and preferably both. I know I've told the story about the junkie dancer who would get on stage with a bottle of booze and usually fall off the stage.

StripClubPsych
10-29-2011, 05:52 PM
i've read every single post you've made in this thread. i totally believe you're a legit strip club manager. most of the managers i've met have looked down on custies and disliked any dancers that had the nerve to treat them as peers/coworkers rather than treating them the same way we're supposed to treat custies while we're hustling them. i've found the hypocrisy of expecting us to kiss your asses while looking down on the men who (ideally) pay us to do so really offputting and unhealthy.

we aren't misunderstanding. all we've got to work with is what you're giving us. you're making a bad impression here based on things you're saying, not all of us misunderstanding you. your sense of humor is not "dry". it apparently is just flat. i suspect that comment about nipples being a dish best looked at cold was probably a very representative example of your humor. it wasn't funny or witty in the slightest.

if you think i'm wrong, please say something humourous, even in a "dry" way. show us your a-game.

also try to say something positive about sc patrons and dancers, all in one sentence, without qualifying it to include only a small number of either or both. i know this is really hard, but just try.

Simple.

I could never do what you girls do. I'm confident with myself with my clothes on, but when they come off I'm weak and fragile. I have SO much respect for anyone that straps on stilettos and walks around in a bikini or less with a smile on their face I can't even put it into words. A lot of people think it's a "whore's job" or "you just want attention" but having seen so many new girls and having worked with so many seasoned pros, I can see how hard it is to do what you do, and no matter how I feel about specific dancers as a whole I will never take away the strength you guys have to do what you do for a living.


^^ You know, the nipples comment irritated me as well, but I figured it was just my short fuse. I have no sense of humour, so I'm glad to know it wasn't just me.

Additionally, what a lot of management and other staff don't realize is the girls are the cornerstone of the business. Without the girls all you've got is over priced drinks. This whole "fuck the girls" mentality is what's decaying this whole business.

The girls at my club aren't easy, but I try to help them as much as I can because I want them to succeed. Thankfully, my GM who is training me has similar thinking. Honestly, he's the best guy I've worked with in my ten years in the industry.

We are all on the same team. I don't know why that is so often forgotten.

It's really simple. Without customers there are no girls. Without girls there are no customers. I want there to be enough of both categories for everyone to be happy, without having to compromise values. I don't have a "fuck the girls" mentality. I don't try to get any more of out the girls I work with than I think they can give (energy wise, not talking about money).

Okay, my sense of humor isn't always "dry" or "flat", sometimes I'm just not funny when I try. I admit that.



I'll play.

From management's perspective, are extras beneficial or harmful to the club?

Harmful 100% of the time. Nothing good ever comes from them. Unless you're running a club where it's legal and the girls you hire know this beforehand then it will do nothing good for your long term business and moral.

I always liken it to stealing. Sure you can make a couple hundred dollars in a night by stealing, but when you're out of work for a month because you got caught, was that couple hundred really worth the consequence? Same goes with the whole extras nonsense. Sure the money might be worth it at the time, but what happens if you get caught? Also think about what that does to you mentally. You can't always be the "extras" girl, eventually you have to grow up.

To me, extras = fired. No questions asked. I don't listen to hearsay though, unless I see it with my own eyes or overhear the conversation, I'm not jumping on a bandwagon because everyone else is telling me it's happened. I have seen too many good girls get railroaded out because of this.

The Boob
10-31-2011, 11:28 AM
In the spirit of Halloween, I'm willing to show the hairy armpit of sensual forgiveness to both managers and strippers. I'd like to thank both groups for taking my money so hard and repeatedly. Y'all gave me treats in exchange while I spent years being a trick! }:D Also, I'm looking for a personal magager. Sort of like a life coach. Someone to help motivate me. (Hard and repeatedly!) :O Seriously. What about those of us who have been strip club customers far too long now because we lack the motivation in life to become strip club owners and managers? So I guess my question is how do I start waking up in the morning with more than the burning desire to take a piss? How do I turn my mere admiration for titties into a lucrative business where I'm the overlord of titties? ;D And why do all stripclubs play that song by Tool over and over like it's the national anthem of nudity? We need to move on as a people and ban that song, maybe all the nudie bar managers can have a convention and vote on that or something.

Also, have you noticed how there's a Mexican Halloween that's "very similar" and takes place at the same time of year? Kind of like how the Fox network tries to rip off other networks' new shows by putting their own copycat show on the air. Hmmmm. Day of the Dead. Come on! It's so transparent.

lemiwinks31
10-31-2011, 12:30 PM
I thought it was stupid until I spent time in the booth and perfected "my" voice. Talking on the mic is really hard, harder than it seems. And when you're trying to call out drink and dance specials, announce parties, announce girls and not have to repeat yourself a dozen times, you develop a "perfect" speaking voice, which just happens to make you sound like a douchebag.




That is impressive. You have perfected this to such a level that it even comes across in your written posts.....

setian
10-31-2011, 02:25 PM
... overlord of titties?



LOLZ!! :rotfl:

My new RPG title totally

Brandi_Lynn
10-31-2011, 05:04 PM
In the spirit of Halloween, I'm willing to show the hairy armpit of sensual forgiveness to both managers and strippers. I'd like to thank both groups for taking my money so hard and repeatedly. Y'all gave me treats in exchange while I spent years being a trick! }:D Also, I'm looking for a personal magager. Sort of like a life coach. Someone to help motivate me. (Hard and repeatedly!) :O Seriously. What about those of us who have been strip club customers far too long now because we lack the motivation in life to become strip club owners and managers? So I guess my question is how do I start waking up in the morning with more than the burning desire to take a piss? How do I turn my mere admiration for titties into a lucrative business where I'm the overlord of titties? ;D And why do all stripclubs play that song by Tool over and over like it's the national anthem of nudity? We need to move on as a people and ban that song, maybe all the nudie bar managers can have a convention and vote on that or something.

Also, have you noticed how there's a Mexican Halloween that's "very similar" and takes place at the same time of year? Kind of like how the Fox network tries to rip off other networks' new shows by putting their own copycat show on the air. Hmmmm. Day of the Dead. Come on! It's so transparent.


Heheh! Your funny! :D