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Vela Valentine
10-10-2013, 07:19 AM
This was a good thread until all that ish, but it's back on track now. I am also guilty of this mindset... I tend to ask chat how their days are going, I look at performers on SM to see if they're busy, etc, and that's all negative and self-defeating behavior. The store analogy above makes a lot of sense to me. I need to start camming from my head and not off of my emotions so much. If I get into a rut, I just don't cam, I lose customers from not being consistent enough, then it IS slower when I try to start up again, discouraging me, and there's my vicious cycle. This thread is a wake up call, I'm glad it got bumped. Thanks. :)

sexysusie
10-10-2013, 07:40 AM
If I hear one more person whine "It's sooo sloooow" I swear I am going to strangle them!... Thought I'd come here to vent before I do just that!

Charlotteslut
10-11-2013, 02:15 AM
I hesitate to say the ONLY reason SM is slow is the individual performer because I think there's too much we just don't know about traffic/niches/other factors and their effects. I know fuck all about what SM is doing behind the scenes/where they are buying traffic from day to day and what effect it might have. Most of our knowledge of that is just speculation.

But the important thing is your attitude is the only factor that you can realistically CONTROL (barring mental issues), which is why there is so much focus on it. If changing your attitude/hustle doesn't work, all you can do at that point is leave SM for another site. But it's important to remember a lot of us come here to vent because our friends/partners/etc. wouldn't really understand. And that's ok! It's normal.

I think there's a stigma against "quitting" or giving up on something, but sometimes it's the right thing to do. The time/energy you spend struggling on SM for peanuts could be used to build a fetish empire on C4S or a vanilla online business or any number of things.

Noelle_Noir
10-11-2013, 05:21 AM
I hesitate to say the ONLY reason SM is slow is the individual performer because I think there's too much we just don't know about traffic/niches/other factors and their effects. I know fuck all about what SM is doing behind the scenes/where they are buying traffic from day to day and what effect it might have. Most of our knowledge of that is just speculation.

But the important thing is your attitude is the only factor that you can realistically CONTROL (barring mental issues), which is why there is so much focus on it. If changing your attitude/hustle doesn't work, all you can do at that point is leave SM for another site. But it's important to remember a lot of us come here to vent because our friends/partners/etc. wouldn't really understand. And that's ok! It's normal.

I think there's a stigma against "quitting" or giving up on something, but sometimes it's the right thing to do. The time/energy you spend struggling on SM for peanuts could be used to build a fetish empire on C4S or a vanilla online business or any number of things.

You are so right,I have not posted in a while because it seems like everyone started tearing each other apart but I felt like I needed too jump back in now. We all offer customers something really special and when it does not go the way we think it should ,it can be hard too reflect and admit without beating ourselves up, no matter what we do(Brainstorm/cam for hours/put on a crazy show/redecorate/invest in expensive equipment we normally would not purchase...ect) that running a business let alone a Adult Genre Business is incredibly HARD.

justanothercamgirl
10-11-2013, 05:54 AM
I have to admit that I just don't get everyone's obsession with 'the slow' thing.

I am not going to deny that more traffic means more money. I make more money when I am on the first page of Streamate compared to the second page of Streamate but I still show up, put the time in and use the money to pay my bills no matter what my placement is.

I have cammed through depression, my mother's cancer and long bouts with chronic illness.

I have cammed through heart-break, moving apartments and having my period.

Sometimes I feel as if I am married to camming. For better or for worse, I'll be there on my cam.

Some days it will rain dollars and some days it will rain pennies.

Either way I'll be there gratefully waiting for it to rain down on me.

It all adds up.

sexysusie
10-11-2013, 08:43 AM
@ Charlotte is so right! Of course there are factors which can mean it really IS slow (for everyone, not just you). Like over here there are big football matches which just about halve the number of guys coming to AW during those times. The camgirl could have camera or internet problems which mean the guys come in and go out again, or can't get in at all etc.

But the important thing is to stay positive. Do what you can to promote yourself, keep busy on other sites at the same time, be making clips so your time is not wasted, ensure the guys who do come and see you are so blown away they become regulars. And yeah, sometimes it's important to know when to back off. Staring at your screen thinking wtf does no one want me, is not healthy.

I take my example from the girls I see who put their prices UP when times are slow. The ones who turn OFF free chat when times are slow, and who never complain on forums/ their blog/ twitter that it's slow, and the ones who also have a strong work ethic, turning up on cam day after day so that the odd slow day is balanced out over a week/ month - I see those girls time and time again coming out on top and it's inspiring :)

LittleSexBunny
10-11-2013, 12:07 PM
I agree with this 100 percent!!! Great thread.

buxxxom
10-13-2013, 03:05 AM
Sorry to be that person, but it has been plenty slow for me lately and it is not my attitude. I got on today freshly made up, excited about the ideas for my room and night, and I hustled and was surrounded by premiums with 0 tokens. I didn't make a single tip in an hour and a half. Sometimes it's just slow, so I think it's irresponsible to suggest that if you aren't making money, you are definitely the problem. Doesn't that lead to us beating ourselves up when the money is just not coming?

h0ttie
10-13-2013, 06:50 AM
Sorry to be that person, but it has been plenty slow for me lately and it is not my attitude. I got on today freshly made up, excited about the ideas for my room and night, and I hustled and was surrounded by premiums with 0 tokens. I didn't make a single tip in an hour and a half. Sometimes it's just slow, so I think it's irresponsible to suggest that if you aren't making money, you are definitely the problem. Doesn't that lead to us beating ourselves up when the money is just not coming?

how is it irresponsible to suggest that YOU are the problem if people are not spending money on YOU?

if you don't take the blame for not making the amount you want then you can't have control over it, it's as simple as that.

Nikki_Fox
10-13-2013, 07:25 AM
Since the genres are colliding here. Ish to lookout for when deciding to work for an agency or not. Indy will always be the way to go. No matter what. We argue and point fingers at each other so often, but fail to realize the power to get paid no matter what lies within us. At much higher percentages. I wonder how many pimps,camsite owners,studios,payment processors sit back and laugh at some of these threads while they keep us separated? Its like three card monty: Where is the prize? Is it over here? Are you sure? Hey look over here shiny new apps for your camsite, but really Im lowering your percentage on the backend. Meanwhile they did a switcheroo on ya. You never see it coming if you focus on stuff thats not important.


Girl - you know I love you but I have to disagree with some of what you said - Indy is not the best answer for everyone - many ladies can pull it off - some for various reasons cannot or choose not to - not all camsites or agencies are jerks with a bad agenda - they offer a service - I'm thankful for the machines ( camsite / agencies ) that keep it rolling when I am not working it - I always know it is there when I need it - It is only fair that they receive compensation for their work and effort - I dont begrudge companies that offer a good service and make money doing it - it works for me - just my 2 cents

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 09:01 AM
Sometimes it's just slow, so I think it's irresponsible to suggest that if you aren't making money, you are definitely the problem. Doesn't that lead to us beating ourselves up when the money is just not coming?

I completely agree with this.

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 09:07 AM
how is it irresponsible to suggest that YOU are the problem if people are not spending money on YOU?

if you don't take the blame for not making the amount you want then you can't have control over it, it's as simple as that.

Well, because there is a difference between being told that you are 'not trying hard enough' and with being told to 'problem-solve a situation when traffic isn't ideal'

You see, the arguments about this issue arise when the concept of blame is added into what is essentially a blameless situation.

Example:

1. You are not making money because you are the problem.

2. You are not making money because of an issue that is currently beyond your control but that is okay because you are one smart cookie and therefore will always have the power to problem-solve a better solution to make money.

athletic1
10-13-2013, 09:26 AM
I agree continuing to improvise brings additional clients. Goodness, I've progressed to light fetish work and work surely increased.

h0ttie
10-13-2013, 02:57 PM
Well, because there is a difference between being told that you are 'not trying hard enough' and with being told to 'problem-solve a situation when traffic isn't ideal'

You see, the arguments about this issue arise when the concept of blame is added into what is essentially a blameless situation.

Example:

1. You are not making money because you are the problem.

2. You are not making money because of an issue that is currently beyond your control but that is okay because you are one smart cookie and therefore will always have the power to problem-solve a better solution to make money.

If you believe it's beyond your control then it will be.

What is wrong with being told you are not trying hard enough anyway?

Snowy0Star
10-13-2013, 03:00 PM
If you believe it's beyond your control then it will be.

What is wrong with being told you are not trying hard enough anyway?

because u cant blame every bad on you. somedays the traffic just isnt there and to think every time u dont make 400$ in a day that theres something wrong with you that day is not good for ur self esteem and emotion well being and mental health. some days are good and some days are bad. but every bad day cannot be because theres something wrong with u . some ppl have bad weeks some ppl have bad days but if it gets like 2 weeks or more that ur having an issue i think thats when u need to re-evaluate how u work

SoloDesire
10-13-2013, 03:05 PM
Every business has slow periods...it doesn't necessarily mean that their product or services are lacking that day/week. Sometimes it's just the way things come around. It's not always in our total control. But it's also important to keep giving it your all regardless.

h0ttie
10-13-2013, 03:42 PM
because u cant blame every bad on you. somedays the traffic just isnt there and to think every time u dont make 400$ in a day that theres something wrong with you that day is not good for ur self esteem and emotion well being and mental health. some days are good and some days are bad. but every bad day cannot be because theres something wrong with u . some ppl have bad weeks some ppl have bad days but if it gets like 2 weeks or more that ur having an issue i think thats when u need to re-evaluate how u work

I think it's a lot worse on your emotional well being and mental health to believe you can't control it, and your self-esteem should not be tied to your earnings...that is a recipe for disaster. If I have a bad day I say wow, I sucked on cam today...lol what the hell was I doing wrong? Did I look annoyed? Did I look desperate? Did my smile look fake? Was I just tired? Did I really just not want to work?...etc. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RANDOM BAD DAY. If you have a goal that you usually make, and you don't make it...do you really think it was because the money just didn't show up on the site? NO it is being spent in other girls rooms. Why are they not spending it on you on your bad day...that's for you to figure out, but you can not do that if you believe it's just random luck.

buxxxom
10-13-2013, 04:02 PM
I think you are being incredibly narrow-minded about this. I had guys on SM telling me that I didn't look tired at 8am when I was signing off to go to bed.. so I certainly wasn't looking tired at 3am when I put on a fresh face of makeup and got on MFC. I wasn't tired, I was cheerful and flirty and I had a new game that I bought supplies for and everything. I was very excited. I have had days like that where I make shit and then I have had days where I was tired and I wasn't hustling and money got thrown at me because people liked what I was talking about or wanted me to do something special. It is random. You can work your ass off and either the traffic isn't there or everyone in your room has no money. Each day is different. Different spenders. And of course there are different girls, different niches. I agree that you should always put your best foot forward, but don't beat yourself up if you know you tried hard and had a good attitude and the money just didn't come. Maybe some girls can stand up and away from the cam and men will just throw money at them. Me, my body type is a fetish and if I show it for free... no one is going to pay. On MFC, someone has to tip to get things going and sometimes, no one is able or willing. It's like they all sit around in free chat, waiting for someone else to do the work.

Maybe your experience is true for you. Maybe you're the poster child for the average dude's cam girl fantasy. Try to think outside yourself. Some of us have to appeal to a niche market. Some of us will have random bad days. Why do you think there is a camming sucks today thread? Should we re-name it the "I SUCK TODAY THREAD"?? No. This job is hard, the money is not guaranteed, and sometimes you can give 100% and still fail. It's important to be self-aware and always thinking about what you can do better or differently, but some things are out of our control. To deny that, I think, is very unhealthy and like you said... a recipe for disaster. This job can already cause our self-esteem to take a lot of hits. I don't think equating earnings with self-worth is a good idea. That's a mental breakdown waiting to happen.

kortneykay
10-13-2013, 04:17 PM
I think it's a lot worse on your emotional well being and mental health to believe you can't control it, and your self-esteem should not be tied to your earnings...that is a recipe for disaster. If I have a bad day I say wow, I sucked on cam today...lol what the hell was I doing wrong? Did I look annoyed? Did I look desperate? Did my smile look fake? Was I just tired? Did I really just not want to work?...etc. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RANDOM BAD DAY. If you have a goal that you usually make, and you don't make it...do you really think it was because the money just didn't show up on the site? NO it is being spent in other girls rooms. Why are they not spending it on you on your bad day...that's for you to figure out, but you can not do that if you believe it's just random luck.

Wait, I'm confused. How are you saying that it's bad for your self esteem to be tied to your earnings, yet you're saying that the reason people aren't doing well on cam, is because of them. Isn't the thinking that I "sucked" on cam today going to affect one's self esteem? I don't buy that bull. The point is, some days you WILL not make a lot of money, and some days you WILL. It's not because of YOU all the time. If you were on point, then you were on point. Men in your room change from day to day. The same clients aren't going to spend on the same girls all the time. They have choices and I don't think you should take it out on you. I noticed that the Big Mac at Mcdonald's has never changed their recipe. I'm sure sales for the Big Mac vary day to day. I'm positive Mcdonald's isn't thinking.. "Well dang, our Big Mac isn't selling that much today, it MUST be the Big Mac, we MUST figure out WHY it's not selling." Ummmm no, the recipe will NEVER change. Perhaps there's more on the menu and other people are purchasing other things.

Camming isn't a sure thing like vanilla work. It's a sales job, as well as commission only, and sometimes people just don't buy the shit you're selling that day. I'm ADD. I can't even look at the same porn everyday. I like lesbian porn, female and male masturbation, and a few other things. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with the porn, it means today, I want to get off to something different. At Mcdonalds, I like a few things on the menu, but it doesn't mean I'm going to buy a big mac every single time. I might just want some fries and a double cheese burger. I know that though I don't want it today, it's never going to change and I can go back when I do have a taste for it.

There are several things out of our control that causes a guy not to purchase a show from us. You can look like a million dollars but if the guy doesn't buy, he just doesn't buy. It could be your prices. I'm a $5.99/7.99 bitch. I understand that not all of the guys can/will buy shows because they think I'm too expensive. They personally don't see the value and that is fine with me considering I don't like customers who can't afford me or see my value. They will find someone cheap, and go from there. Fine with me, as yeah, they might be getting shows, but I'm also getting paid more per minute then they are and my customers seem to appreciate quality over quantity.

I'm not going to dwell on the reason "why" when it comes to me very long if not at all. I don't take my earnings personal because if I did, I'd be one emotional nut case with the highs and lows of this industry. I say spread yourself out, do more than one site simultaneously if you can't make money at X site today, and play with your prices if you want. If things worked out for you before, and aren't now, chances are, it's the customers or the site, not you. If you aren't making ANY money, and haven't AT ALL, then it's probably something you need to change. I've seen way too many beautiful women make bank, and then nothing and I know for a fact it's not them personally, it's the site/customers.

buxxxom
10-13-2013, 04:21 PM
And let's not even mention the sea of girls in free chat doing anal fist cum shows for $1. But if guys are spending their money on that, it must be my fault.

h0ttie
10-13-2013, 04:48 PM
I think you are being incredibly narrow-minded about this.

Definitely not...I am saying this as someone who used to believe the same things you do.


I wasn't tired, I was cheerful and flirty and I had a new game that I bought supplies for and everything. I was very excited.

maybe they weren't interested in your new game?


but don't beat yourself up if you know you tried hard and had a good attitude and the money just didn't come.

It's not some random thing, money doesn't just come..you have the power to MAKE IT COME. That is my whole point.


Maybe some girls can stand up and away from the cam and men will just throw money at them.

maybe...I am certainly not one and I never knew one personally that had that experience...


Maybe your experience is true for you. Maybe you're the poster child for the average dude's cam girl fantasy.

yep I am..because I say so }:D


This job can already cause our self-esteem to take a lot of hits. I don't think equating earnings with self-worth is a good idea. That's a mental breakdown waiting to happen.

stop camming if your self-esteem is taking hits from it...it shouldn't be. and I never said to equate earnings with self-worth...I do not even understand why I'm seeing the words self-esteem and self-worth. Taking blame for not achieving desired results has nothing with your self-esteem and self-worth.

h0ttie
10-13-2013, 05:13 PM
Wait, I'm confused. How are you saying that it's bad for your self esteem to be tied to your earnings, yet you're saying that the reason people aren't doing well on cam, is because of them. Isn't the thinking that I "sucked" on cam today going to affect one's self esteem? I don't buy that bull. The point is, some days you WILL not make a lot of money, and some days you WILL. It's not because of YOU all the time. If you were on point, then you were on point. Men in your room change from day to day. The same clients aren't going to spend on the same girls all the time. They have choices and I don't think you should take it out on you. I noticed that the Big Mac at Mcdonald's has never changed their recipe. I'm sure sales for the Big Mac vary day to day. I'm positive Mcdonald's isn't thinking.. "Well dang, our Big Mac isn't selling that much today, it MUST be the Big Mac, we MUST figure out WHY it's not selling." Ummmm no, the recipe will NEVER change. Perhaps there's more on the menu and other people are purchasing other things.


Really? How does admitting you could have done better affect your self-esteem? I am not saying go sit in a mirror and punch yourself and call yourself ugly when you have a bad day.

And the big mac comparison doesn't work...they have a recipe that does not change...we are humans we change. Do you honestly believe that you would have exactly the same vibe if you were on cam for 8 hours and made 5 dollars or if you were on cam for 8 hours and made 1,000?


Camming isn't a sure thing like vanilla work. It's a sales job, as well as commission only, and sometimes people just don't buy the shit you're selling that day. I'm ADD. I can't even look at the same porn everyday. I like lesbian porn, female and male masturbation, and a few other things. It doesn't mean there's something wrong with the porn, it means today, I want to get off to something different. At Mcdonalds, I like a few things on the menu, but it doesn't mean I'm going to buy a big mac every single time. I might just want some fries and a double cheese burger. I know that though I don't want it today, it's never going to change and I can go back when I do have a taste for it.

This could be true on a site that doesn't have free chat, because then you are at the mercy of who ever chooses you. On free chat sites if people are coming in your room its your job to "sell them" like you say it's a sales job


There are several things out of our control that causes a guy not to purchase a show from us. You can look like a million dollars but if the guy doesn't buy, he just doesn't buy. It could be your prices. I'm a $5.99/7.99 bitch. I understand that not all of the guys can/will buy shows because they think I'm too expensive. They personally don't see the value and that is fine with me considering I don't like customers who can't afford me or see my value. They will find someone cheap, and go from there. Fine with me, as yeah, they might be getting shows, but I'm also getting paid more per minute then they are and my customers seem to appreciate quality over quantity.

I charge more than you and I'm not too expensive for anyone. Change your mindset.



I'm not going to dwell on the reason "why" when it comes to me very long if not at all. I don't take my earnings personal because if I did, I'd be one emotional nut case with the highs and lows of this industry. I say spread yourself out, do more than one site simultaneously if you can't make money at X site today, and play with your prices if you want. If things worked out for you before, and aren't now, chances are, it's the customers or the site, not you. If you aren't making ANY money, and haven't AT ALL, then it's probably something you need to change. I've seen way too many beautiful women make bank, and then nothing and I know for a fact it's not them personally, it's the site/customers.

Well if you don't want to dwell (or i prefer to say analyze- because you shouldn't be dwelling) on the why..then you can not change it. I really think it is just too scary for some girls (and I mean this in the nicest way possible) to realize that they control everything. If you continue to believe it's the customers or the site and not yourself then you give up your power.

h0ttie
10-13-2013, 05:15 PM
And let's not even mention the sea of girls in free chat doing anal fist cum shows for $1. But if guys are spending their money on that, it must be my fault.

this is just another place to put blame that is not yourself.

GlamourRouge
10-13-2013, 06:13 PM
Every business has slow periods...it doesn't necessarily mean that their product or services are lacking that day/week. Sometimes it's just the way things come around. It's not always in our total control. But it's also important to keep giving it your all regardless.

We're talking about averages here though. This is self-employment, so its all about averages. You're either averaging good $$$ (the $$$ you want to make), or you're not.

And if you're not, and other people are on the very same site as you are... well... I'm sorry to say, it definitely IS your own fault. I know that is not what a lot of people want to hear, but its the truth. It is kind of a catch-22 since your placement has to be decent to make decent money, but you have to make decent money in order to get good placement. But that's the thing with camming... its either for you or its not.

The difference between selling something and not selling something is marketing. And I'm not even talking social media as much as I am talking how you present yourself in your cam room. Like as a character. People like consistency and something that is easy to read. That, and offering something that other people don't offer. Or offering something that people DO already offer, but making yours into a superior product. No one is saying you are a shitty person or a horrible cam girl if you don't average good $$$, but your marketing and product delivery is definitely lacking.

I guess a lot of people can't handle taking responsibility for themselves. No one else can take responsibility for you except yourself though (not direct at you, but in general). When you tell someone its their own fault, they just act like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJye229QbVs

No one in life will ever take responsibility for you other than yourself. If you don't average the money you want to, find a new site, a new niche, or a new occupation. Its good to vent, but there's only so much you can do until you start making yourself into a victimless victim because you aren't making changes.

SoloDesire
10-13-2013, 06:27 PM
Speaking "average" wise I agree. If you aren't getting what you want to get in a month's time, then yes there probably is something you could change to start making better money. I was strictly saying there are slower periods...I think everyone has them. It makes a difference if you're trying to make $200 one day and can only pull off $100 because the traffic has just been unworkable. It happens. I do agree however, that if you go weeks with not normal income then it's time to kick it up a notch.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
10-13-2013, 06:29 PM
@GlamourRouge why go there? Why make that comparison? A delusional and hysterical woman losing her mind over something so trivial in a forum with smart & savvy business women. It doesn't fully equate. But then again no one knows why that young lady snapped over Chicken Nuggets. If anything your analogy can be flipped and used to demonstrate that everyone has a threshold high or low and that shit is fucked up. And that empathy is in order.

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 06:43 PM
What is wrong with being told you are not trying hard enough anyway?

What is wrong with not saying it?

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 06:46 PM
If you believe it's beyond your control then it will be.


Alright then......

Why don't you try to control having to get old or die.

Get back to me on how that goes for you.

buxxxom
10-13-2013, 06:49 PM
We're talking about averages here though. This is self-employment, so its all about averages. You're either averaging good $$$ (the $$$ you want to make), or you're not.

And if you're not, and other people are on the very same site as you are... well... I'm sorry to say, it definitely IS your own fault. I know that is not what a lot of people want to hear, but its the truth. It is kind of a catch-22 since your placement has to be decent to make decent money, but you have to make decent money in order to get good placement. But that's the thing with camming... its either for you or its not.



We weren't talking averages though. Hottie has said that there are no slow days. None. So averaging is one thing, but if you go on thinking you're the shit, why are you just not making bank every single day? Average suggests that you had some good days and some bad days. I went on last night with a positive attitude, thinking I was going to make money, and guess what I didn't. It's not just positivity. It's not just getting on and having fun and not worrying about money and then it comes. It's not just like that. Some days I make great money and others recently I've made little to nothing. It wasn't for a lack of trying, I can tell you that. If I know I didn't give my best effort, I will be upset with myself. If I did, I will feel that as a BBW, I just can't compete on MFC. I don't think I'm an awful cam girl. I could improve sure, I could be more consistent, but there's not enough variation in what I'm doing to explain the day to day polarity. It's not just my attitude as the OP suggested. There are external factors at play. I do take as much control as I can. When I wasn't making money on MFC last night, I signed up for MGF and then went on SM for an hour and made an easy $50.

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 06:54 PM
Every business has slow periods...it doesn't necessarily mean that their product or services are lacking that day/week. Sometimes it's just the way things come around. It's not always in our total control. But it's also important to keep giving it your all regardless.

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GlamourRouge
10-13-2013, 06:54 PM
@GlamourRouge why go there? Why make that comparison? A delusional and hysterical woman losing her mind over something so trivial in a forum with smart & savvy business women. It doesn't fully equate. But then again no one knows why that young lady snapped over Chicken Nuggets. If anything your analogy can be flipped and used to demonstrate that everyone has a threshold high or low and that shit is fucked up. And that empathy is in order.

Its called satire. If you didn't realize, I'm almost never serious on here.



We weren't talking averages though. Hottie has said that there are no slow days. None. So averaging is one thing, but if you go on thinking you're the shit, why are you just not making bank every single day? Average suggests that you had some good days and some bad days. I went on last night with a positive attitude, thinking I was going to make money, and guess what I didn't. It's not just positivity. It's not just getting on and having fun and not worrying about money and then it comes. It's not just like that. Some days I make great money and others recently I've made little to nothing. It wasn't for a lack of trying, I can tell you that. If I know I didn't give my best effort, I will be upset with myself. If I did, I will feel that as a BBW, I just can't compete on MFC. I don't think I'm an awful cam girl. I could improve sure, I could be more consistent, but there's not enough variation in what I'm doing to explain the day to day polarity. It's not just my attitude as the OP suggested. There are external factors at play. I do take as much control as I can. When I wasn't making money on MFC last night, I signed up for MGF and then went on SM for an hour and made an easy $50.

Pretty sure she's talking about averages. Stay on longer or try again later, or log in early the next day, try a different site? Like you can always make money if you try. I've seen h0ttie on cam and she could pull in 4 figures a day if she wanted. I've seen her do it. I've done it with her.




Alright then......

Why don't you try to control having to get old or die.

Get back to me on how that goes for you.

Uhhhh pretty sure that controlling if/when you die is completely different than if you make money in the industry you CHOSE on the cam site you CHOOSE to work on.

Lolol, sorry but I just cannot argue this. If you think that is the same thing, I really cannot respond anymore lol.

h0ttie
10-13-2013, 06:58 PM
What is wrong with not saying it?

i dont even get what ur saying lol

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 07:02 PM
We're talking about averages here though. This is self-employment, so its all about averages. You're either averaging good $$$ (the $$$ you want to make), or you're not.

And if you're not, and other people are on the very same site as you are... well... I'm sorry to say, it definitely IS your own fault.

For the life of me, I will never understand why you always insist that someone has to be at fault.

There can be more than one variable at play here.

Let's take an example shall we........

Streamate pays 35% to most Western countries, they pay 30% in other countries.

Is it now the fault of the girls in non-Western countries if they end up making less money then the girls in Western countries?

By your logic it would be. If other girls are making good money on the site and they are not then it is the fault of the girls who are making less and not the fact that they are receiving 5% less.

GlamourRouge
10-13-2013, 07:03 PM
Lets make a list of the things you can do:
- Long on later
- Stay on longer
- Log in early the next day
- Log onto another site(s)
- Sign up for other sites
- Try a different niche for that day
- Try a different hustle
- Change your attitude
- Create an attractive gimmick for your room (special talent?)
- Create a game
- Change your hair (a $20 wig off ebay can do wonders)
- Change your outfit
- Change your makeup
- Change your niche completely (there are so many!)
- Change what you offer and what you don't
- Promote yourself
- Contact regulars (twitter, email, you can message the ones who have inboxed your cam site inbox, etc)
- Email or tweet the website to ask if they can help
- Create content instead
- Have a backup or side industry (maybe a trade?)
- Collaborate with another person (a man or another cam girl)
- Change your default picture
- Dance around
- Act a different age and change it on the cam site

I could go on forever. But I doubt everyone tries every single one of those before logging off/giving up.

buxxxom
10-13-2013, 07:03 PM
Definitely not...I am saying this as someone who used to believe the same things you do.



maybe they weren't interested in your new game?



It's not some random thing, money doesn't just come..you have the power to MAKE IT COME. That is my whole point.



maybe...I am certainly not one and I never knew one personally that had that experience...



yep I am..because I say so }:D



stop camming if your self-esteem is taking hits from it...it shouldn't be. and I never said to equate earnings with self-worth...I do not even understand why I'm seeing the words self-esteem and self-worth. Taking blame for not achieving desired results has nothing with your self-esteem and self-worth.

I considered that they might not be interested in my new game. They still had the options to do all of my normal stuff and still no one was tipping and barely anyone was talking to me. There were a lot less people than usual. I stayed positive. Sorry to say, it did not make the tips come. What's the secret? 'Cause it's not positivity. It's just not. If it were, I would not have found myself so incredibly disappointed last night. If I didn't put in 100%, I wouldn't have cared so much when I failed.

I could say I'm every dude's fantasy, but I'm still going to be a size 14/16 model and my positivity is not going to change reality. I get a decent number of guys who aren't normally into BBWs because of my personality and confidence, but I think it'd be unrealistic for me to expect to ever be a top model on MFC. It's not a niche I can just up and change.

We all get trolls and people who are mean. I have pretty tough skin, but every once in a while my self-esteem does take a hit. I don't think it's unusual.

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 07:05 PM
i dont even get what ur saying lol

If you don't then why did it make sense when you said the exact thing in opposite to me? ;)

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 07:06 PM
Uhhhh pretty sure that controlling if/when you die is completely different than if you make money in the industry you CHOSE on the cam site you CHOOSE to work on.

Lolol, sorry but I just cannot argue this. If you think that is the same thing, I really cannot respond anymore lol.

Its called satire. If you didn't realize, I'm almost never serious on here.

GlamourRouge
10-13-2013, 07:08 PM
For the life of me, I will never understand why you always insist that someone has to be at fault.

There can be more than one variable at play here.

Let's take an example shall we........

Streamate pays 35% to most Western countries, they pay 30% in other countries.

Is it now the fault of the girls in non-Western countries if they end up making less money then the girls in Western countries?

By your logic it would be. If other girls are making good money on the site and they are not then it is the fault of the girls who are making less and not the fact that they are receiving 5% less.

Do you know what they do that? Streamate covers 100% of chargebacks. That is HUGE. Eastern Europe has been the heart of money laundering through cam sites for quite a few years now.

The reason why girls only make 30% on there is because Eastern European girls are forced to sign up through studios because the site does not want to take the money laundering risk, and there are laws now which is why that 30% instead of 35% occurs. Its out of their hands.

Also, for the record, myself and h0ttie both make 30%, not 35%. How much you make isn't correlated with the % you get, though you could theoretically be making more... but that's pointless to think about. The regulars built up are on the current account.

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 07:13 PM
Do you know what they do that? Streamate covers 100% of chargebacks. That is HUGE. Eastern Europe has been the heart of money laundering through cam sites for quite a few years now.

The reason why girls only make 30% on there is because Eastern European girls are forced to sign up through studios because the site does not want to take the money laundering risk, and there are laws now which is why that 30% instead of 35% occurs. Its out of their hands.

Also, for the record, myself and h0ttie both make 30%, not 35%. How much you make isn't correlated with the % you get, though you could theoretically be making more... but that's pointless to think about. The regulars built up are on the current account.

My example was just being used to prove that there could be many variables at play that you aren't even considering when you use the loaded phrase 'it is your fault'.

h0ttie
10-13-2013, 07:14 PM
lol i can't with this thread..all that is happening is girls are defending that it can't possibly be them. oh well then watch this I can predict the future it's either....

1. you will burn out, either for good..or repeatedly.

2. you will realize what I am saying is true.

and i would guess that the people that are arguing what i'm saying fall into 2 categories.

1. they have enough money to survive and they do not NEED to make the money.

2. they are not making nearly enough to survive and feel helpless and depressed.

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 07:15 PM
Well it's just that not saying it would defeat the purpose of this thread which basically revolves around the idea of 'not trying hard enough.' I'm not sure what is even offensive about that statement anyway? I don't think it's a statement that would evoke an emotional response from anyone, if someone finds it offensive I think that has more to do with themselves.

I see.

Well, I think that anyone who has to make the the statement 'if someone is offended by something that it has more to do with themselves' only will make that statement because they have no good logical points to debate and therefore all that is left to them is to attack the other persons character.

GlamourRouge
10-13-2013, 07:16 PM
My example was just being used to prove that there could be many variables at play that you aren't even considering when you use the loaded phrase 'it is your fault'.

You will always be the sole person in control of how much money you make, so yes, I stand by my argument.

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 07:20 PM
You will always be the sole person in control of how much money you make, so yes, I stand by my argument.

And I stand by my argument that you can be control of the money you make AS WELL as no one ever has to be at fault when they are having slow days.

GlamourRouge
10-13-2013, 07:23 PM
I see.

Well, I think that anyone who has to make the the statement 'if someone is offended by something that it has more to do with themselves' only will make that statement because they have no good logical points to debate and therefore all that is left to them is to attack the other persons character.

No that's actually a real thing in psychology called projection. The "shadow". Famous by psychologist Carl Jung.

h0ttie
10-13-2013, 07:23 PM
And I stand by my argument that you can be control of the money you make AS WELL as no one ever has to be at fault when they are having slow days.

ok lets clear this up...what is a slow day? i would like to hear your definition

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 07:28 PM
ok lets clear this up...what is a slow day? i would like to hear your definition

Well in JAC-land, I just don't get why everyone is obsessed with this whole slow thing in the first place (https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?164438-The-real-reason-it-s-slow&p=2546265&viewfull=1#post2546265).

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 07:32 PM
No that's actually a real thing in psychology called projection. The "shadow". Famous by psychologist Carl Jung. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_(psychology)

So, how long has Genoveve been studying Carl Jung psychology?

I mean, it is there isn't anything else in psychology that her statement could possible fit into.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/power-in-relationships/200905/are-you-being-gaslighted

h0ttie
10-13-2013, 07:35 PM
Some days it will rain dollars and some days it will rain pennies.

Either way I'll be there gratefully waiting for it to rain down on me.


this is the best definition i could get from that post....so....some days ur making dollars and some pennies?

i am asking because I CARE..if i didn't i would be on cam right now getting rich and saying lololol these other camgirls are dumb more $$$$$$$$$$$ for me. no one is giving straight answers there is a whole lot of defending and not enough explaining.

GlamourRouge
10-13-2013, 07:35 PM
So, how long has Genoveve been studying Carl Jung psychology?

I mean, it is there isn't anything else in psychology that her statement could possible fit into.


I studied at a graduate level. Idk about Genoveve. But formal education doesn't really matter.

Gaslighting is when someone calls you crazy and you react with anger. No one is calling anyone names, they are just saying to take responsibility for their actions. Once you do that, then you can look at what is wrong, so that you can fix it and make the $$$ you want to.

Just like you are responsible for your own happiness (you CHOOSE to be happy), you are responsible for the amount of money you make. And if you are not happy overall with it, its a choice because there's always other things you could be doing, or doing differently.

justanothercamgirl
10-13-2013, 07:36 PM
^^^Oh my god. Girlfriend I am sorry but you are just embarrassing yourself.

I am?

Cite your sources. ;)