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AmyLynne
11-16-2011, 04:26 AM
Right on with everything you've said...


So, if you have indeed met personally with "dozens of dancers", despite the stated wishes of the owner of this site concerning this type of activity--that means at least a dozen dancers thought you were "creepy", despite the fact you gave them large sums of money and lavish gifts. Quite an impressive achievement.

In any club I have ever worked in, if anyone gets 'creepy' with the women I work with, I will be on his fucking ass. Maybe that means I am overprotective. Excuse the fuck out of me, but I don't like 'creepy' men fucking with the women in this industry, even if they think they are actually 'helping' them.

You can talk about who has 'real stones' all day long, as well as 'lines in the sand', and all manner of trite macho bullshit cliches, while whining and bitching about how you're going to send your attorneys after my ass because I said I don't like date rapists while never mentioning your name.

Fine with me...



Sadly, these words of infinite wisdom have been entirely ignored.


And for the record, I repeat. I have nothing but the utmost contempt for asskissers...

Djoser
11-16-2011, 05:17 AM
you are obligated by Pryce's rules of the forum...the rules of the road that have been established by the owner...


We definitely do NOT encourage members meeting in real life.


In the three years since, I’ve had dinner and drinks in restaurants with dozens of SW dancers, visited them in clubs, sat in their hotel rooms...


The other half stated that after they accepted the money, they felt that he was acting "creepy," so they cut off communication with him.

And with all due respect to Pryce, I am extremely disappointed that Katrine and Bridgette, of all people, have been singled out as the major culprits in this situation, and received the lion's share of the blame for ripping apart Stripperweb, albeit temporarily. You'd think they were the rapists, according to this version of the story.

I am proud to remain friends with both these women, who have as much integrity as any, and certainly far more than those who are so eager to revile their names, with no more knowledge of the truth than anyone else on the forum.

Quite frankly, I never believed Dottie's version of the story either. Far from joining in 'The Clique', I was actually engaged in heated controversy for daring to ask why in hell she was alone in a hotel room with a man she had been reviling to any and all who would listen for several months beforehand.

But neither will I blithely accept the whitewashed version so loudly proclaimed by all these people who also weren't there to know any better which version to accept. No one knows what went down except the two people who were there (presuming that large dosages of mind altering substances would not distort accurate recollection), so pretending that the accused was some sort of angel has no more merit than assuming guilt.

I'm inclined to recommend extreme caution when any single woman meets any man she doesn't know very well, regardless of what other women who have received large amounts of cash and gifts from the same man might say about him.

My motivation? To ensure that no one else is ever placed in a position of vulnerability due to their participation in this forum. Nothing else is more important than this...

LAChloe
11-16-2011, 10:01 AM
You're in LA... I'm in LA...
Double dinner date with TOO? :D

I'm soooooooooo in! :P

rickdugan
11-16-2011, 10:06 AM
So, if you have indeed met personally with "dozens of dancers", despite the stated wishes of the owner of this site concerning this type of activity--that means at least a dozen dancers thought you were "creepy", despite the fact you gave them large sums of money and lavish gifts. Quite an impressive achievement.

I'm sorry, but IMHO that was a bit excessive.

Where is the crime in meeting up with dancers and giving them money and lavish gifts? Now do I think that he has ulterior motives for doing so? Absolutely. But all parties involved are grown adults and, IMHO, they can figure out for themselves what they are willing to give or do.

And if a certain number of dancers that meet up with him walk away believing that he is creepy, then so what? Is it a crime to give off a creepy vibe to some girls? Or is he now being accused of stalking girls that do not want anything more to do with him?

I know nothing about this Dottie situation and I won't begin to opine one way or ther other, but you youself have admitted that the situation was muddy at best. Are all of these attacks really justified? Idk, but if you have specific issues with his past behavior, then IMHO you should put them on the table directly rather than hopping from thread to thread taking back door shots at him.

Now I'm sure as hell no "kiss ass" and I certainly don't share all of his beliefs. Indeed, I recently spent a good chunk of one thread debating with him. But your constant attacks, and his corresponding restraint in responding, are actually starting to make him look like a sympathetic figure. All things considered, that is also quite an impressive achievement.

All Good Things
11-16-2011, 10:44 AM
So, if you have indeed met personally with "dozens of dancers", despite the stated wishes of the owner of this site concerning this type of activity--that means at least a dozen dancers thought you were "creepy", despite the fact you gave them large sums of money and lavish gifts. Quite an impressive achievement.

Let's start with your reading skills.

The dancers who referred to me as "creepy" in Pryce's article were in fact members of the clique, the Mean Girls, the ones who wanted to hang both of us from a tree and shoot us in the head at the time -- that is where you've pulled this quote from, out of context. It does NOT refer to the larger population of SW, of course.

The Mean Girls were under bone-crunching pressure to revile, denounce and hate both of us at the time, and the fact that half of the mean girls had good things to say about me when asked by Pryce just about knocked me over. The fact that "creepy" was the worse attack the other half could come up with (and it was pretty unoriginal and vague) given the perpetual pounding they were getting from Katrine and other haters at the time is nothing short of amazing. Since it was also a uniform response, e.g. they actually used the same word, suggests it was coached or agreed to in advance.

He did not ask the larger population of SW that question -- and given the number of girls who requested to see me after the meltdown, it's clear what their opinion was.

Next, your timeline.

The events Pryce described in terms of the Mean Girls' opinions about me occurred during the Dottie explosion and referred to the dancers I had met (or not met, just known, but had given monetary gifts to in one form or another) up to that date. So that's prior to 2008. The events in terms of meeting SW dancers myself as I describe in my post in the thread occurred "in the three years since," so that's after 2008.

Finally, Pryce's policy

It's true that Pryce does not encourage people meeting off site -- this is in the context of people like Gordon Ray Parker who was literally hounding both of us constantly, trying to reveal dancers real names, trying to hack this site, etc. There were also blue-side guys dealing drugs to the SW dancers -- which eventually caused them to be banned, as well as other unwelcome events, like Sh0t crashing a Ladies Only night. However, Pryce also notes that the site has resulted in at least five marriages (now six!) :) which came about because of personal meetings off-site and we've both attended StripperFests where many SW dancers were in attendance. The policy is a guideline -- and a cautionary one -- that protects the site from the former examples, but permits the latter. My activities were certainly within the scope of the latter, as they were social in nature, and were welcome by the individuals.

Otherwise, I actually agree with your opinion on creepy guys in the clubs, and in that role, I am totally on your side, no questions.

Optimist's post was a caution about something that never happened, and that I noted in my post. I did not invite Dottie, she invited me, both times, and I have those PMs. There were some errors here and there in the interview narrative.

Oh, reading skills -- as I've posted elsewhere in this thread, my comment about your legal standing was to point out that you had in fact crossed a line in the sand -- a legal one -- and that was a professional opinion. I've also stated in this thread that I would never take legal action that could endanger this site or Pryce personally.

I've put six years of continuous funding into this site -- continuously since 2006 -- paid to have it recover from constant hacker attacks, paid for all the site upgrades, paid for increasing bandwidth every two years, paid when the cam girls drove the bandwidth right through the roof, paid when we had to migrate servers and when troll attack drained available bandwidth. I also have many, many dear friends who I've met here who have benefited from this site. Also, Pryce has been a long-standing friend and I've made a commitment to him to keep the site up through thick and thin. I would be crazy to endanger all the effort Pryce and yes, the mods, have put into this special place.

Djoser
11-16-2011, 11:36 AM
My reading comprehension is fine, thanks.

If you have never, ever given any female members drugs and alcohol in combination and subsequently either fucked them or begged them to let you, I don't have a problem with you.

Nor should you have any problem with me posting how detestable I find someone who would make a practice of doing so, especially if your name has not been mentioned once in the process.

After all, if you never did it, I couldn't possibly be talking about you. Therefore, you would have no reason to consult lawyers, talk about having them deliver civil complaints to me in person, etc., etc.

All Good Things
11-16-2011, 11:52 AM
And with all due respect to Pryce, I am extremely disappointed that Katrine and Bridgette, of all people, have been singled out as the major culprits in this situation, and received the lion's share of the blame for ripping apart Stripperweb, albeit temporarily. You'd think they were the rapists, according to this version of the story.

Wow. I'm speechless. And that's saying a lot!

You do understand, right, that there was no rape? It was fiction? It was made up to use as a weapon to get money so she could quit dancing and to explain away how she could have possibly been in a hotel room with me?

Also, you did not see the e-mails or PMs that Bridgette and Katrine were blasting across the line constantly, the harassment they were subjecting people to, the constant virtual screaming coming from them throughout the whole ordeal, as other dancers have noted in their own posts in this thread, and as Pryce detailed in his interview. There was a reason Katrine apologized to me in person. It was just insane.


I am proud to remain friends with both these women, who have as much integrity as any, and certainly far more than those who are so eager to revile their names, with no more knowledge of the truth than anyone else on the forum.

I have no idea where this is coming from. The only person who has brought up Katrine's and Bridgette's name is me, and I've remained friends with them, too. And I am the only one in this forum who knows exactly what happened -- which excludes you by about a country mile -- and what happened in the ensuing years, when Dottie's story (and purported "stories") collapsed into a huge heap of dust under their own weight of absurdity and conceit.


Quite frankly, I never believed Dottie's version of the story either. Far from joining in 'The Clique', I was actually engaged in heated controversy for daring to ask why in hell she was alone in a hotel room with a man she had been reviling to any and all who would listen for several months beforehand.

Let's leave aside the fact that she was grooming an image of invincibility at the time, and destroying me in public was part of that -- and omitting a huge volume of critical intimate details about her personal life that nobody knew or knows, other than the two of us (yes, they were real -- she had many phone conversations and direct talks with people while I was in the room).

Given your description of how she talked about me in public, what do you think her reaction was when she discovered that the mods could see her logging on to SW from my personal computer in a hotel room (casually, and on the first try, and downloading and reading her messages, perfectly easily -- this was supposedly on the night of "large dosages of mind-altering substances" -- yes, can you see the pattern of how certain events that happened first undo claims made later?) So her reaction, once she found out after returning home, was something like, "Oh shit, I can't believe they actually saw that....now what do I do?"


(presuming that large dosages of mind altering substances would not distort accurate recollection)...

Oh for God's sake. Really? Look, you are a smart guy, you and I used to discuss linguistic theory in this forum. It's not possible that you cannot see through the true absurdity of a claim like that based on SW own logs showing how clear-headed she was that night. Plus it was not only in the room, but the hotel and on the street and in the restaurant and in the club.

All Good Things
11-16-2011, 12:10 PM
If you have never, ever given any female members drugs and alcohol in combination and subsequently either fucked them or begged them to let you, I don't have a problem with you.

Begged them....? Never mind. You don't have a problem with me.


Nor should you have any problem with me posting how detestable I find someone who would make a practice of doing so, especially if your name has not been mentioned once in the process.

Look, what you were doing -- parroting my word order and repeatedly posting in the same threads, just a few posts down, using phrases that applied to the fictional stories but not to any other event in real life -- was so transparent that other dancers have called you on it. Passive-aggressive, veiled attempts, etc. People are not stupid.

BTW, I was doing my best to be reasonable for a long time. You may have recalled a post I had up, indicating that I had removed a post challenging you due to the fact that it appeared you were not attacking me, but recounting other events. That stayed up in this thread for two days until it became painfully obvious that you were using those events (if they really happened) as straw men to knock down as a means of attacking me.

Pryce's thread has almost 5,000 views -- it's common knowledge in the forum, and you were taking advantage of that.


After all, if you never did it, I couldn't possibly be talking about you.

Wow. It's like we are in sixth grade or something.

Look, it's not about what happened -- it's about the hugely widespread and endlessly recounted details of a fictional story about what happened. You chose to re-create the wording of those stories and take swipes at me in the process. You got caught. Own up to the fact that you have zero knowledge about what happened, and you got in on the wrong side of the facts, and you were out of line for attempting to do it at all.

AmyLynne
11-16-2011, 12:15 PM
I think Im siding with Djoser on this issue.. seriously TOO youre not helping yourself...

All Good Things
11-16-2011, 12:27 PM
I can live with your opinion. Thank you for at least reading it.

Djoser
11-16-2011, 12:46 PM
Also, you did not see the e-mails or PMs that Bridgette and Katrine were blasting across the line constantly, the harassment they were subjecting people to, the constant virtual screaming coming from them throughout the whole ordeal, as other dancers have noted in their own posts in this thread, and as Pryce detailed in his interview. There was a reason Katrine apologized to me in person. It was just insane.


I have no idea where this is coming from. The only person who has brought up Katrine's and Bridgette's name is me, and I've remained friends with them, too.

Wait, maybe my reading comprehension is deficient here after all. Or am I imagining that you just said other dancers mentioned Katrine and Bridgette bombarding them with e-mails and PMs. Let me reread it, to make sure...

Yes, it appears that you are NOT "the only person who has brought up Katrine's and Bridgette's name [sic]". According to your first statement.

You know--your friends--the ones who were acting insane.



And I am the only one in this forum who knows exactly what happened -- which excludes you by about a country mile...

Better read a little more carefully. I'll help you:



...far more than those who are so eager to revile their names, with no more knowledge of the truth than anyone else on the forum.

You are the only one who knows exactly what happened when Katrine and Bridgette supposedly did all that insane shit? That's what I was referring to.

Actually, I don't believe you are even a few yards closer to the truth concerning what they did than I am.



I believe I was the first person to see the multiple login notice, actually.



It's not possible that you cannot see through the true absurdity of a claim like that based on SW own logs showing how clear-headed she was that night. Plus it was not only in the room, but the hotel and on the street and in the restaurant and in the club.

The logs did not indicate how much she had to drink, or what drugs she had been given when signing on, no.

To my knowledge, Stripperweb does not have the capacity to determine the intoxication of members when they sign in, or on the street and in the restaurant and in the club.

You are certainly allowed to swear you didn't give her any drugs in combination with alcohol and then have sex with her. And that you have never, ever given any other female members drugs and alcohol in combination and had sex with them.

All Good Things
11-16-2011, 01:02 PM
^ Ah, progress, it's a beautiful thing.

First, it was my error (editing error -- writing too fast and resorting sentences and paragraphs) in the phrase "as other dancers have noted in posts in this thread" -- I was referring to the craziness of the time, and the barbs flowing back and forth, not necessily from just Bridgette and Katrine. I was the only one who brought up Bridgette and Katrine. Mea culpa.

Pryce's interview does a much better job of summarizing this, and that's why I included it.

I think we are in agreement about who knows what, good.

You are right that the logs cannot tell the condition of a person logging in, but I think a reasonable person -- who also had access to the other local records at the time in the club, restaurant, hotel, etc. -- would recognize the pattern of clear-headedness.

I have a suggestion. If you agree to refrain from posting the veiled attacks on me in the future, we can put all this behind us, and move ahead, assuming that you have said everything you want to.

Djoser
11-16-2011, 01:12 PM
Reply to a previous post has been deleted.

All Good Things
11-16-2011, 01:18 PM
Thank you, I appreciate it.

I hope we can be respectful of each other's sensitivities in the future so we can maintain a healthy posting environment.

lemiwinks31
11-16-2011, 02:02 PM
Thank you, I appreciate it.

I hope we can be respectful of each other's sensitivities in the future so we can maintain a healthy posting environment.


If its OK with you.......I'm going to go ahead and continue to find you creepy

All Good Things
11-16-2011, 02:11 PM
^ If it's ok with you, I'm going to continue to find you funny.

(Not being sarcastic -- you've posted some of the best one-liners I've ever seen in this forum, hands down.)

lemiwinks31
11-16-2011, 02:13 PM
we have a deal.

AmyLynne
11-16-2011, 02:46 PM
and yes TOO guys like you who try to get girls drunk to fuck us are creepy... no offense darling just the facts!

All Good Things
11-16-2011, 02:50 PM
^ With all due respect, darling, you have no idea what the "facts" are as far as they (don't) apply to me. :)

I do appreciate your reading the thread and keeping up with it, but I think we've resolved things at this point. Thank you for your participation.

DesuvsDeath
11-16-2011, 05:45 PM
If this were any other thread... the mods would've come in, told everyone to stop insulting each other, stay on topic, deleted a bunch of posts, pointed people and things would've returned to normal...

I get that rules aren't always followed 100%... there's always going to be squabbles here and there... but why is it okay for everyone to break rules when it's directed at TOO?

ArmySGT.
11-16-2011, 06:24 PM
I am reminded of the Black Widow, Venus Flytrap, Trap Door Spider, and the Flounder.

All Predators that manipulate their environment to snare their victim.

Did everyone get a screenshot? I expect the replies to this thread to be edited like the others.

yoda57us
11-16-2011, 06:30 PM
If this were any other thread... the mods would've come in, told everyone to stop insulting each other, stay on topic, deleted a bunch of posts, pointed people and things would've returned to normal...


Actually the sad fact is that, in customer convo, over the past year or so, that probably wouldn't have happened. Honestly, I expect this sort of whiny passive-aggressive BS from guys like me and Bem...I expected more, or actually less, from two grownups

As a mod would say if there was one actually reading this, Take it to PM boys.

Please note, I'm not taking sides, just commenting on the general 8th grade tone here. Are you two "men" going to derail every thread that one or the other posts on from here on out?

KS_Stevia
11-16-2011, 06:31 PM
Let's start with your reading skills.

The dancers who referred to me as "creepy" in Pryce's article were in fact members of the clique, the Mean Girls, the ones who wanted to hang both of us from a tree and shoot us in the head at the time -- that is where you've pulled this quote from, out of context. It does NOT refer to the larger population of SW, of course.

The Mean Girls were under bone-crunching pressure to revile, denounce and hate both of us at the time, and the fact that half of the mean girls had good things to say about me when asked by Pryce just about knocked me over. The fact that "creepy" was the worse attack the other half could come up with (and it was pretty unoriginal and vague) given the perpetual pounding they were getting from Katrine and other haters at the time is nothing short of amazing. Since it was also a uniform response, e.g. they actually used the same word, suggests it was coached or agreed to in

Wow, these mean girls sound scary, I wouldn't want to run into them in a dark alley. They are out to get ya...rich, lonely white men, there is no escaping or hiding, they WILL ruin your online reputation.

Pack some heat.::)
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_XCMiXg8AU6M/SX_Kyuufw3I/AAAAAAAACvU/kVdgXtp7Avc/s320/mean-girls+SIT.jpg

KS_Stevia
11-16-2011, 06:41 PM
Please note, I'm not taking sides, just commenting on the general 8th grade tone here. Are you two "men" going to derail every thread that one or the other posts on from here on out?

LOL, kind of like you and Bem? :P

All Good Things
11-16-2011, 06:47 PM
^ "Mean girls" was Pryce's term -- please see the interview.

With respect to Yoda's question -- whether we intend to derail every thread we post in from now on -- I thought it was clear that my primary purpose was to prevent exactly that.

Certainly my post #64 above states that straightaway.

I think when the only male mod and the site benefactor get into a rather public pissing contest, then we are allowed to devolve into little-boy behavior. It's not pretty, but it gets the job done. :) Hopefully this has set up some agreed parameters to prevent similar events from happening in the future.

unbeleavable
11-16-2011, 07:09 PM
Everyone warned....as I pick up the $$$$$ off the ground to feed the bright light....thank you

yoda57us
11-16-2011, 07:14 PM
LOL, kind of like you and Bem? :P

As usual, your observation is right on the money! :D

KS_Stevia
11-16-2011, 07:28 PM
^ "Mean girls" was Pryce's term -- please see the interview.

With respect to Yoda's question -- whether we intend to derail every thread we post in from now on -- I thought it was clear that my primary purpose was to prevent exactly that.

Certainly my post #64 above states that straightaway.

I think when the only male mod and the site benefactor get into a rather public pissing contest, then we are allowed to devolve into little-boy behavior. It's not pretty, but it gets the job done. :) Hopefully this has set up some agreed parameters to prevent similar events from happening in the future.

Article was read, doesn't mean the cliche has to be parroted.

But really, whatever this reporter was doing wasn't journalism, it was spin. Sadly most journalism is all spin these days (thanks Corporate sponsors hehe :D)

But until all sides and perspectives are represented in a fair and unbiased presentation...the fact remains that its pretty obvious that the piece was nothing more than rhetoric for your sides.

roast
11-16-2011, 07:50 PM
Did everyone get a screenshot? I expect the replies to this thread to be edited like the others.

idk if you're kidding but - yes.

All Good Things
11-16-2011, 07:56 PM
^ I do appreciate your perspective. I know it sometimes seems like the corporate sponsors are forever pulling strings.

In some cases, though, the events just spin out of control -- or more accurately, turn into a torrid fire-hose that's impossible to drink from.

I think Pryce found everything coming at him from every direction, suddenly and all at once. That, combined with perpetual rear-guard sniping over three years with no opportunity to respond, can be very exhausting.

I believe he earned the right to get his side out there in one form or another, FWIW. We can all Monday-morning quarterback him on the content and format, but there you are.


They are out to get ya...rich, lonely white men.

Rich, lonely white PLs, thank you. :)

unbeleavable
11-16-2011, 08:06 PM
I hear a puppet in my ear feeding me...

ArmySGT.
11-16-2011, 08:18 PM
idk if you're kidding but - yes.

Lets see if I am.

BringOnTheMen
11-17-2011, 12:05 AM
I don't find TOO "creepy" and don't agree with a lot of the insults hurled at him, but I also don't think his job as the site's benefactor is all that noble considering the rest of us aren't allowed to donate. I would love to contribute money to help turn SW into a stripper positive site. As good as the intentions of the owners are, there is a lot of negativity on this forum which I believe is largely due to the fact that this site is run by two random dudes and moderated by more non-dancers than not. I dislike that I am constantly harassed at what is supposedly a "safe haven" by trolls and non dancers, and these guys aren't banned because they've been here for awhile.

Kellydancer
11-17-2011, 12:42 AM
I have to agree with BOTM. This isn't an insult at anyone in particular but I have seen what she's talking about. I've seen posters who have never worked in the industry give their opinions. I have gotten pms from male posters actually giving me "advice" on how to make money at bachelor parties or clubs! I've seen posters (mostly male but likely some female or male pretending to be female)admit they never worked in the industry or even frequent clubs. That to me is bizarre.

All Good Things
11-17-2011, 01:26 AM
I would love to contribute money to help turn SW into a stripper positive site. As good as the intentions of the owners are, there is a lot of negativity on this forum which I believe is largely due to the fact that this site is run by two random dudes and moderated by more non-dancers than not. I dislike that I am constantly harassed at what is supposedly a "safe haven" by trolls and non dancers, and these guys aren't banned because they've been here for awhile.

Well, as one of the random dudes, I can tell you the other random dude has struggled for years with ways to make contributing by the members safe, easy and convenient. There were multiple experiments with different payment processors and they all failed eventually. Ditto on the banner ad program, at least in terms of producing anything approaching the required revenue levels.

The situation was certainly never that members were "not allowed" to contribute, it was that no system was found to work well enough -- and consistently enough -- to use on a broad basis. Pryce can give you the history on this better than I can.

There was a mail-in option for several years where members could simply mail checks to a P.O. box. That worked in the early years when the cost of running the site was dramatically lower (up to 2005). When SW really ran into trouble due to consistent growth and insufficient bandwidth in subsequent years, it was necessary to switch to a different, higher-level and consistent funding mechanism to guarantee the site would always be up, visible and available to everybody. This level of funding is also necessary when we get hit by major troll attacks that drain bandwidth and require immediate payment to bring the site up again.

Having said all that, I'm sure Pryce would very much welcome your offer of support, as well as the support of any other member. There are new payment options appearing every day (the cam girls are experts at this) so this would be a good project to start anew.

Also, please be sure to report any harassment or behavior you find objectionable to the relevant mod or to the StripperWeb supermod account. That's the fastest way to get results. I'm sorry that you've had to endure treatment that is anything but respectful.

And for the record, the Pryce random dude is the sole owner of SW and he alone determines all policies, procedures, actions, etc. I am the benefactor random dude, and that's it. :)

The Jackal
11-17-2011, 01:42 AM
woah drama.. and I didnt create it!

Forget about creating it. I am merely trying to understand it and my brain is spinning and spinning and spinning ...

All Good Things
11-17-2011, 02:05 AM
^ Don't worry, you are just coming late to the party.

Part of this thread concerns events that happened over three years ago, and if you were not around at that time, or even if you were, it's honestly easier to master tensor calculus while drunk with a blindfold on and your head in the freezer than to try to follow the posts.

We've reached sufficient resolution in the thread to keep us civil in future posting on certain topics. That's the important result.

The Jackal
11-17-2011, 02:16 AM
^ Don't worry, you are just coming late to the party.

Part of this thread concerns events that happened over three years ago, and if you were not around at that time, or even if you were, it's honestly easier to master tensor calculus while drunk with a blindfold on and your head in the freezer than to try to follow the posts.

We've reached sufficient resolution in the thread to keep us civil in future posting on certain topics. That's the important result.

I think I asked my question too early. After having gone through each post, I have a vague idea on what happened. It seems like you are being accused of being a rapist. That is quite serious a charge. There are not that many men who are capable of raping. So there is a good chance that you are being falsely accused. I feel bad for you so I will take you out for a dinner if I ever visit your town. Of course if you have concerns over being date raped then please you have every right to say no. I can handle rejection. :)

KS_Stevia
11-17-2011, 06:36 AM
[QUOTE=The Other Owner;2244724]Well, as one of the random dudes, I can tell you the other random dude has struggled for years with ways to make contributing by the members safe, easy and convenient. There were multiple experiments with different payment processors and they all failed eventually. Ditto on the banner ad program, at least in terms of producing anything approaching the required revenue levels.
/QUOTE]

This is incorrect, its extremely inaccurate. There are internet forums much larger than SW operating on a donation and banner ad and/or paid system.

The reason everything has "failed" is because, quite frankly, of your contributions.

Pryce doesn't just run this site, he has another job. And creating a scalable and sustainable program to fund the site isn't easy or quick, but its 100% doable. However, since you're footing the bill, what incentive does he have to even try?

Its like my boyfriend is a great cook, loves to do it, and he works from home so dinner is ready by the time I walk in the door. I can cook myself, and we can eat an ok meal at 10pm....or I could go to cooking school and spend a lot of time and money learning...or I could take time off of my existing job which brings me in GUARANTEED INCOME (SW does not bring Pryce enough residuals to live off of) and spend more time cooking.

Nope, I have someone to cook for me and I'm not going to bother because quite frankly its easier. This means that sometimes I have to eat meals I don't care for as much. But its worth it because its less energy output on my end.

Perhaps that was a shoddy analogy, but you see what I mean? There is no reason we couldn't have a system in place to run this site, absolutely no reason.

And the fact that TOO is still expounding that its technically impossible only demonstrates how far Pryce has pulled the wool over his eyes because the former is NOT a "techie" and the latter is getting a sweet ride while he waits to one day sell the site for a nice retirement fund.

Isn't this glaringly obvious to anyone else but me? Rape and creepiness aside, what I stated above is the heart of the matter and has resulted in all of the drama since.

LAChloe
11-17-2011, 08:46 AM
TOO, I posted something about this in the last week in CC. I asked how does SW make money. Honestly, thank you for paying for SW to be here. I know a lot of the cam girls feel the same. Since we are at home working on out computers a lot of us are on SW all the time. If there was no SW I would never have started camming!

Thank you for everything!

All Good Things
11-17-2011, 01:12 PM
^ Thank you. I appreciate your kind words. :) But I think Pryce deserves a lot more of your gratitude than I do!

All Good Things
11-17-2011, 01:21 PM
Well, as one of the random dudes, I can tell you the other random dude has struggled for years with ways to make contributing by the members safe, easy and convenient. There were multiple experiments with different payment processors and they all failed eventually. Ditto on the banner ad program, at least in terms of producing anything approaching the required revenue levels.


This is incorrect, its extremely inaccurate. There are internet forums much larger than SW operating on a donation and banner ad and/or paid system.

My first quote at the top of this post is what you quoted in your response, above. But your response to my post seems to make no sense – Pryce's attempts that I describe are “incorrect and extremely inaccurate?”

Also, did you miss this part of my post?


Having said all that, I'm sure Pryce would very much welcome your offer of support, as well as the support of any other member. There are new payment options appearing every day (the cam girls are experts at this) so this would be a good project to start anew.

My posting history will show that I’ve long been a supporter of community involvement in funding the site – in fact, I’ve never strayed from that position, not once.

The only solution I think is problematical, FWIW, is making SW a paid site, e.g. every member pays an annual fee to participate. The reason is that a significant percentage of dancers who have benefited from this site have done so because they’ve not had to pay, and many need the site at times when they can’t afford to pay. Almost all the lurker-dancers who eventually become contributors have done so because the system is open and free. This open access has also been responsible for SW’s consistent and recently explosive growth, and made it a home to the cam girls as well as other workers in the industry.

I know that some dancers would prefer a pay-as-you-go system, and that’s fine, I understand that position, and some day Pryce might actually decide to do that.

I believe that an open donation system serves the same purpose as a pay-as-you-go system, while leaving the site open to new participants who may not be in a position to afford a monthly fee. Again, this is just my own personal view.

The point of my first post on the subject was to emphasize that there have in fact been many attempts behind the scenes to make a payment system work, including a volunteer donation system, a banner ad system and even paid classifieds. Pryce put a lot of time and effort into making this work.

I do agree with you that having the site fully-funded into perpetuity sort of pushes the development of such a system to a lower priority – from “highest urgency” when the site used to disappear for days at a time – this used to happen regularly, but so long ago that I think people have forgotten it – to “I am working on a solution that works for this particular site.”

And while this was a lower priority, things like site upgrades, coding of new features, etc. do get done, and done well. Have you seen a coding error or “page not found” error returned on SW in the last several years? Me neither.

Anyway, a payment system that works for this particular site is huge. SW is not a mainstream site by a long shot, is fundamentally different from other Internet forums in this sense, and it deals with many subjects that make the public uneasy and drives some segments of the populace to become downright hostile or obnoxiously intrusive. This site has a specific membership base that would prefer independence and anonymity to higher visibility or ad banner sponsor requirements and limitations.

So in terms of a banner ad program, it turns out that there are only a very limited number of companies that will take the risk of being visible here.

That’s really a crucial point. This site honestly scares the hell out of corporate sponsors. The liability risk for the Other Work section alone is just off the charts. Do you really want to be the corporate buyer of ads who gets hauled in to the CEO’s office by corporate counsel when they find out that you are advertising on a site where subjects that are um, well, you know, only legal in certain counties of Nevada, are openly discussed in the kind of honest, open detail you really don’t see anywhere else? Yes, I know there are many escort sites out there, and escort review sites, but how many corporate banner sponsors are there on the most visible ones?

We’re already the regular target of unwanted troll attacks that are hugely costly to the site. When they drive the site down, it takes a significant cash infusion to bring it back up again. These kinds of cash spike requirements are not easily handled by a standard scalable and sustainable program – although they could be handled by a specially-designed one that had multiple independent cash-generating activities to produce a major cash reserve. It’s threading that needle in the banner ad approach that has proven to be challenging.

Kellydancer
11-17-2011, 01:58 PM
I know I have said this before but am glad there are sites like this and wish there had been when I started. It's hard to imagine this now, but back in the pre internet days, or at least before the internet being widespread, all the information I learned about stripping I learned on my own. I was at an disadvantage today's adult workers don't deal with. I didn't have anyone to vent to about the rude customers, mean managers, etc. I didn't learn about investing or the various other topics.

All Good Things
11-17-2011, 02:26 PM
^ I think what makes SW special in this respect is that the dancers and other industry workers share their experiences freely among themselves, and rely on one another for guidance. It's a kind of support system that is rarely encountered on this scale or depth in the competitive struggle of real-life competition in the clubs or other related venues.

I also wanted to emphasize that I appreciate KS' (and others) prodding, poking, questioning, challenging, etc. of the status quo. It's how we improve things here, as in the rest of life. I myself feel that the site and the operating logic behind it are often not transparent enough to the members, so when the opportunity arises to discuss these things, it's useful to embrace that.

KS_Stevia
11-17-2011, 06:15 PM
Whatev's, this place is not a priority for me and if it disappeared tomorrow nothing would change and I'd find comedy and dramz elswhere, or maybe go to the gym more. I'm pretty much here for the customer schadenfreude and lulz.

All Good Things
11-17-2011, 07:15 PM
^ Eto uzhe ne "honne," a "tatemae," ne tak li? ;)

ArmySGT.
11-17-2011, 09:13 PM
customer schadenfreude and lulz.


Amply provided for...........

velvet
11-18-2011, 10:47 PM
^ I do appreciate your perspective. I know it sometimes seems like the corporate sponsors are forever pulling strings.

In some cases, though, the events just spin out of control -- or more accurately, turn into a torrid fire-hose that's impossible to drink from.

I think Pryce found everything coming at him from every direction, suddenly and all at once. That, combined with perpetual rear-guard sniping over three years with no opportunity to respond, can be very exhausting.

I believe he earned the right to get his side out there in one form or another, FWIW. We can all Monday-morning quarterback him on the content and format, but there you are.



Rich, lonely white PLs, thank you. :)

lol i guess I'm sorry i took a few days off here. i guess i was deluded to think that the spin is/was somehow different. mea culpa. He never ever was a victim as "he" would like you to think. You are right about one thing. Monday morning quarterback. x 1 million.


I don't find TOO "creepy" and don't agree with a lot of the insults hurled at him, but I also don't think his job as the site's benefactor is all that noble considering the rest of us aren't allowed to donate. I would love to contribute money to help turn SW into a stripper positive site. As good as the intentions of the owners are, there is a lot of negativity on this forum which I believe is largely due to the fact that this site is run by two random dudes and moderated by more non-dancers than not. I dislike that I am constantly harassed at what is supposedly a "safe haven" by trolls and non dancers, and these guys aren't banned because they've been here for awhile.
sweetie you have only been here for a short time you have no point of reference. therefore you shouldn't be commenting on what you "see" in about 2 weeks time. thanks. :)

jannisary
11-19-2011, 12:39 AM
The "interview" is a spin piece. I don't post much around here but I do read a lot and I was around back then. I'm not going to pick the article a part because frankly its not worth my time or effort but those of us who were around back then should all be able to recognize it for what it is - spin.

The "interview" reads more like it was written by a public relations writer than a real journalist. I hope Pryce or whoever paid for it didn't pay very much.


I SERIOUSLY doubt you would have been pointed as well. We all know this is not only about him but about you as well.
What i take exception to is being labeled some wacko, shit stirring LIAR because I'm affiliated with something outside of this site.
You can not tell me that if you read that "interview" as an outsider you wouldn't take away from that, that ALL the trouble here stemmed from a few disgruntled former members here. We were all crazy people trying to hurt this site the owner and the other owner.


I got to agree with Velvet. The article reads like all the trouble was brought on by a disgruntled clique. There was so much more going on with this site at that point.

Let's see

Absentee owner
Benefactor/Patron lording over his benevolence to the site and dancers.
Broken website
How long was Clubs & Reviews broke?
Site Issues? Anyone else remember that?
Moderation problems
troll invasions
banner ad controversies
donation controversies
Locker Room controversies
and so much more

I understand Pryce wanting to get his "side" of the story out but I would have had more respect for it if he would have just posted something and then answered questions about it - message board style - instead of paying somebody to produce a spin piece.

AmyLynne
11-19-2011, 12:52 AM
This site is always read best while drinking Jager shots....