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Cam_chick
11-15-2011, 03:22 PM
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Melonie
11-15-2011, 04:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/v/Wl1ObUGAoHE
Caramel_BBW
11-15-2011, 04:55 PM
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This made me LOL
GlamourRouge
11-15-2011, 07:36 PM
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Do you lurk ONTD? That totally gets posted over there all the time.
MISS.NY
11-15-2011, 08:19 PM
Idk I was down there today and the crowd seemed like they were testing the police. Shouting random things talking about get ready to fight back. Some smelled, ALOT of the police were laid back. The police in mask were looking like they were getting ready for a possible riot.
Honestly this whole "protest" needs more orginiztion. maybe i'll care when they have actual demands and needs.
Tooo many signs said were gonna wait you out. It really seemed like they just want attention and to see what they can get done.
oh yeea and a lot of "peaceful protesters" were pushing and shoving me climbing on top of everything, and I was just trying to walk up to canal. And its sad how many businesses closed down in the area.
MISS.NY
11-15-2011, 08:21 PM
*sighs* This protest is bogus. I want to see some boycotts, attack dogs, water hoses, Hippies disappering. middle America can't protest for nothing
MzStar
11-15-2011, 08:47 PM
^^^ lmao!
pink_bunny
11-15-2011, 08:51 PM
are u guys still watching the live feed?
Caramel_BBW
11-15-2011, 09:21 PM
I turned it back on for a minute but it looks like it's offline right now. They're just showing old clips. Maybe he finally went to sleep lol
anouk.oui
11-16-2011, 12:11 AM
I have nooo idea what the situation is in australia so I cant comment really. :) And I'm tired so this wont sound very articulate.
In the UK a lot of people are losing their jobs, having absolutely no prospects, having social necessities cut mercilessly, hospitals, libraries, education. Prices are rising. We are being lied to constantly by our government. The reason that we are in a financial crisis is because of huge business avoiding tax, and the bankers mistakes. Yet the bankers still being paid squajillions of money every year and giving themselves massive bonuses, and the poorest of society, women disabled people and old people getting even MORE cut away from them.
They are making an estimated yearly 7 billion pound cut to the welfare state. From people who desperately need the money to survive. And Vodaphone have just managed to legally avoid paying a 6 billion pound tax bill. Because they can.
SO those are a few of the reasons why people in the UK are protesting. ;D I'm not that politically well informed or articulate so there are probably holes in my arguments somewhere.
As I said, I dont know anything about the situation in Australia, but maybe if you have time go down to the occupation there and have a chat with some of them about their reasons? I always think its best to witness these things first hand and THEN make an informed opinion about whether you agree or disagree cos like I said, the media WILL NOT portray it accurately. :)
why would i go talk to them. im not a victim of being misinformed by the media, i heard what they had to say, its uncalled for and quite frankly i dont give a shit. if it aint broken it dont need to be fixed.
uk has been the birthplace for protests. maybe a new punk era will evolve from this. they lived through the 70s recession, i doubt the world will come to an end tomorrow unless a bunch of people 'occupy' places with misspelt signs...
AmyLynne
11-16-2011, 12:21 AM
theyre either the dumbest people on earth or seriously being managed and led by the activists....
the tea party events had no issues with police, no public urination, no tents, no dirtbags and no arrests... these people are mostly scum...
Dreamofluxie
11-16-2011, 03:31 AM
. Some smelled, ALOT of the police were laid back. The police in mask were looking like they were getting ready for a possible riot.
...They dont have showers at the occupation. :P i mean its just a fact of life that if you dont shower you probably will smell. And a lot if the activists are quite hardcore and have been camping out in the freezing cold for a while. I dont think that should be held up against them really.
In regards to them being angry and yelling at the police you have to remember that OWS was booted out of their camp with NO WARNING just the other night, people were dragged out of their tents, and tear gas was used on them. That, will be why there is feelings of animosity towards the police. It is not unprovoked.
In fact the first day of the London occupation, feelings towards the police were very amiable, people were making speeches saying
'"we know the police are not allowed to protest, but we are protesting FOR them because their pay and their jobs will be cut too!"
"we are not against the police, smile at your nearest officer!"
Then, they were obviously given orders to remove us, and they sent a bunch of riot police in to the occupation, and DOGS which was unnecessary as all people were doing was just SITTING there, one police medic THREW a guy down the steps (great medic) and obviously the crowd got angry, there were chants of 'scum' and 'shame on you'.
Police presence was very very oppressive, until the deacon of St pauls actually came out and said we could stay there as long as we want, as he approved of peaceful protests. :D
MISS.NY
11-16-2011, 06:27 AM
^^^^^umm sarcasim and joke babe
And again I'm sorry but if you go down there you'll see what I mean. occupy wallstreet needs to die slow. And just because your watching from feeds of th the occupiers doesn't mean your getting the correct story either.
Like I said a lot of ppl taping were running around looking for examples and pushing and shoving (not to peacful)
Yes some cops may have gotten out of hand but most of the protesters were standing around laughing it up with those same cops. Like I said before it's great they want change but there's more productive ways of going about it then squatting in someones park, running around half naked etc
oh yea p.s.- Alot of these people want change so bad but yet they have hundred dollar cameras, phone, computers etc in their hands. When they bought those items who were they supporting? Like I said if they want a real change there are other ways
Crustyz
11-16-2011, 06:43 AM
LOL
Yes, the unemployment rate is really code for the lazy people rate. It sounds easy in a logical stand point. You wanna work? You're able-bodied and qualified? Then go get a job, even if it's manual labor. Well, if you do a little research and become more informed you'll see there's a little BIG topic called the economy and the economy and unemployment rate are showing that there is a problem with the abundance of jobs that are available. The economy is shit, everyones in debt, companies are filing for bankruptcy, banks are needing bailouts, companies are trying to cut costs by laying people off and outsourcing, and technology is taking away from simple service jobs. The qualifications of jobs that require degrees have gotten higher since the workforce has become more competitive. Everyone has a college degree, who do you pick to hire...the person with a lil more qualifications. So a good amount of people who took out student loans are now working in jobs below their qualifications taking away the blue collar jobs and those are less qualified. Like...i know sometimes it seems like we're untouchable because we're in stripperland and money is coming good. But it's a scary world out there. Whether you agree with the protestors or not, thats cool but i dont understand why people take on such a pompous attitude towards them. What's the worse that can happen from people protesting? They're exposing and causing awareness to a lot of the shadiness and unfair policies going on...Maybe nothing will result from it but at least there will be a bigger awareness which means more power, and if anything the lack of press coverage shows how the gov doesn't want the movement to grow. Keep people in the dark. That's actually scary
I just wanted to scream "thank you!!". lol
Dreamofluxie
11-16-2011, 09:48 AM
^^^^^umm sarcasim and joke babe
And again I'm sorry but if you go down there you'll see what I mean. occupy wallstreet needs to die slow. And just because your watching from feeds of th the occupiers doesn't mean your getting the correct story either.
Like I said a lot of ppl taping were running around looking for examples and pushing and shoving (not to peacful)
Yes some cops may have gotten out of hand but most of the protesters were standing around laughing it up with those same cops. Like I said before it's great they want change but there's more productive ways of going about it then squatting in someones park, running around half naked etc
oh yea p.s.- Alot of these people want change so bad but yet they have hundred dollar cameras, phone, computers etc in their hands. When they bought those items who were they supporting? Like I said if they want a real change there are other ways
I mean, I'm in the UK so I definitely can't say for certain that I am right about how Occupy Wall Street is, and that I have the correct story. But I have spent a lot of time at Occupy London stock exchange and at the Finsbury square occupation so I'm speaking from my experience of that. Are people really dancing around half naked at Occupy Wall Street?? LOL
And...I have an iphone. And I am a cam girl and earn a good wage. I still want things to change. I dont necessarily think that makes me a hypocrite. Im just doing what I need to do to survive and provide for my family as I'm sure many others are.
Some of people I know at the occupation are very hardcore and just live in squatted empty buildings that have been left unused for years and years, then they turn them into community centres, run free workshops for everyone to attend, dancing workshops, yoga workshops, music workshops. They don't have phones and they cook communally, grow their own vegetables and take food from restaurants and supermarkets that is perfectly good but being thrown out and wasted. They don't claim benefits. They find alternative ways of living that don't involve capitalism.
I think thats pretty awesome if you can commit to it, but a lot of people have a problem with THAT style of living too.
I just think its funny... sometimes people are never satisfied. When the London riots happened in August, everyone was saying 'These rioters are disgusting, why can't they peacefully protest if they want to make their point' and when people protest peacefully it is either ignored or they are told they are wasting their time or pointless- as nothing is gonna change.
Miss NY what are these 'other ways' you suggest of bringing about real change? Please please don't take this as me attacking you, because I'm really not, I respect that we have different opinions on the matter, but I'd like to know what you think would be better than the occupy movement?:)
jasmine22
11-16-2011, 10:55 AM
^^ The increasing wealth inequality makes it so that "working hard" will likely never pay off for the average person in society. When the economy is controlled by a very tiny percentage of people who own all of the wealth, it means that everyone else will get fucked over again and again.
Healthcare, education, housing, and adequate wages is what EVERYONE should have access to... the fact that you literally have to PUT YOUR LIFE AT RISK in the military just to get a few of those basic necessities is extremely telling.
This!!! I'm tired of people saying they want to go into the military for the "benefits". U should get benefits if ur gonna risk ur head getting blown off! Who has working hard ever really paid off for? I'm not saying be lazy but a lot of employers are exploiting there workers horribly and not giving them benefits, fair wages, or even breaks. That's what this movement should be about. I
Quit school bc I started feeling like I was getting scammed. I think u should go to school for a profession that will pay off (doctor, nurse, lawyer....) high paying jobs. Too many people went for business or communications degrades and are now stuck. It's sad but college is not for everyone , and that's ok!!! I was told in high school if I didn't get a college degree I would end up working at mcdonalds, and I have yet to ever work a fast food place.
Rarity
11-16-2011, 02:49 PM
Occupy Wall Street may look filled with hippies, but out here Occupy Oakland and San Francisco seem to have mostly tons of average looking people, many employed as well.
Rarity
11-16-2011, 03:06 PM
And again I'm sorry but if you go down there you'll see what I mean. occupy wallstreet needs to die slow. And just because your watching from feeds of th the occupiers doesn't mean your getting the correct story either.
It sounds like shes actually been there, not just watching feeds
Yes some cops may have gotten out of hand but most of the protesters were standing around laughing it up with those same cops. Like I said before it's great they want change but there's more productive ways of going about it then squatting in someones park, running around half naked etc
There are plenty of videos on youtube of unprovoked police brutality inflicted on protestors, nationwide.
oh yea p.s.- Alot of these people want change so bad but yet they have hundred dollar cameras, phone, computers etc in their hands. When they bought those items who were they supporting? Like I said if they want a real change there are other ways
So because you can afford stuff, you shouldnt care about those who cant?
MISS.NY
11-16-2011, 04:52 PM
But isn't there whole point that they can't......I'm not saying that ^^^^ but there whole attitude all their signs and sayings, are saying that because of the 1% they are broke. I just think it sends a fucked up message.
Why don't they boycott the makers of those products? Why don't they pull their money out of the bank accounts? there's other things to be done
Idk it's whatever, I just have a feeling this won't amount to much
tinydancer23
11-16-2011, 05:48 PM
actually, at least 650,000 people HAVE pulled their money out of big banks in the last couple of months and opened credit union accounts as a result of the occupy/decolonize movement. including me.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/11/big-banks-plead-with-customers-not-to-move-their-money.html
roast
11-16-2011, 07:45 PM
Ive had a credit union for awhile - I highly recommend them. Especially for their various savings options and options for those working on their credit. Low sales pressure also.
The only drawback when I changed five years ago are ATM fees but that is a help in the long run from overspending.
I remember when my checkings account was cleared out in fraud - they contacted me by phone, email, and letter to say "hey wtf is this fraud?? what happened? report it woman!" and I didn't even pay for extra fraud protection (I think they notify you the same day instead of within 48hours). When I called to fix it, the woman who I got in contact sounded relieved for me and went on this rant about chexsystems being the devil and her husband eating fast food.
It was awesome.
Tbh I'm torn on the methods of the camps too - but it has had a wider impact that I support. It has shaken up people's complacency and I think changed our image (slightly) worldwide. The idea of Occupy has a fair amount of support which is incredible and unexpected if you jump back in history 9-10 years ago. It's a start from zombie like acquiescence, mindless consumption, and ignoring our ow neighbors and communities.
GlamourRouge
11-16-2011, 07:45 PM
Why don't they boycott the makers of those products?
1.) It does no good to boycott multimillion and billion-dollar industries... not in the short run at least... and probably not at all. There will ALWAYS be people who will buy the cheapest of anything or who don't care about politics OR:
2.) Catch-22. Generally, because the 99% IS poor, they RELY on cheaply made products that are mass-produced.
Why don't they pull their money out of the bank accounts? there's other things to be done
People have. But there's only so much you can do. if 99% of the money is in 1% of peoples' hands, even if 99% of people in the world boycotted products or whatever else, it would still only affect 1% of the profits... which is ALMOST ZERO.
And that, my friends, is why these people are protesting in the first place.
roast
11-16-2011, 07:47 PM
When being in the adult industry is our BEST financial option to make ends meet, there is seriously something wrong with our labor system.
Never looked at it this way but... yeah.
sweetheather
11-16-2011, 08:08 PM
Yeah...I hugely support this cause me and my family have felt the effects of shady banks and such.
Tuition at my college has doubled since 2007. DOUBLED, in 4 years. I go to a state university and I'm paying over $10,000 in tuition alone a year(I had to sell my soul for student loans). My parents lost their house because of the housing bust and now live in a double wide trailer my grandmother owns. I've been laid off 3 times since 2008, and got into camming out of sheer desperation. My bank has had 'errors' that cost me hundreds at a time and take weeks to fix.
Yeah I'm ready for some damn change. And to many, I'm lucky.
SarahTime
11-16-2011, 08:11 PM
Yeah I'm ready for some damn change. And to many, I'm lucky.
Obama's got some for you. How's that working out for everyone?
BAHAHAHA. I'm so funny.
I'm sorry I couldn't help it! I will stay out of this further. ;)
EvilChick1989
11-16-2011, 08:41 PM
Obama's got some for you. How's that working out for everyone?
BAHAHAHA. I'm so funny.
I'm sorry I couldn't help it! I will stay out of this further. ;)
I love you! <3 lol
Melonie
11-17-2011, 02:08 AM
But there's only so much you can do. if 99% of the money is in 1% of peoples' hands, even if 99% of people in the world boycotted products or whatever else, it would still only affect 1% of the profits... which is ALMOST ZERO.
Actually, it's less than zero ... considering the fact that the 1% spend their money on Ferraris, Tiffanys, Whole Foods etc. while the 99% spend their money on Hyundais, WalMart and ALDI's. Thus any economic boycott by the 99% would essentially have no effect whatsoever on the 'luxury' suppliers to the 1% while hurting the low-ball suppliers !
SashaKittyXXX
11-17-2011, 09:45 AM
No one is going to take them seriously now that they've posted their list of demands.
They've posted, essentially, the Communist Manifesto almost verbatim.
Smurfette
11-17-2011, 10:29 AM
^^ Yeah, that's one dude's "proposed list of demands", it doesn't speak for the entire movement. I wouldn't agree to those proposals and I'm sure the majority of OWS protesters wouldn't either.
SashaKittyXXX
11-17-2011, 10:36 AM
Although if they can get me $18 an hour at my vanilla job and 6 weeks vacation, I might be persuaded to join their cause ;)
xfatrabbitx
11-17-2011, 10:42 AM
No one is going to take them seriously now that they've posted their list of demands.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-ows-demands/
They've posted, essentially, the Communist Manifesto almost verbatim.
like really? no one proof read that shit or....?
That's embarrassing. I agree with a lot of things they say but you can't just magically change all these laws and things will be all hunky dory. Raise the minimum wage immediately to 19 dollars and cap the maximum at $90? Tax the rich up to 90%? Move all death row prisoners to regular jails? Like, that shit costs money. It sounds like a group of 16 year olds wrote that.
How are you going to lower the retirement age, lower taxes, yet increase social security benefits...SMH
I'm sorry, that list got more and more ridiculous as it went on and they should take it down. Any change is going to be very incremental, baby steps. You can't just completely turn a society upside down and change things.
There needs to be someone in PR who can better represent them in communication with officials, the media etc... Someone who's had experience and understands the legal, political, and economic aspects of this fight.
SashaKittyXXX
11-17-2011, 10:50 AM
I especially loved the part about opening the borders freely to all immigrants and giving all illegals citizenship. Really dude? And that's going to help the unemployment problem HOW?
xfatrabbitx
11-17-2011, 11:00 AM
Another good point someone made, if you raise the minimum wage to $19, how will people buy their kids $25 happy meals.
I'm sensitive to immigration but where is everyone going to work? especially if you have to pay them all AT LEAST 19 bucks while paying more for benefits.
Hopefully this is just a spoof or they take it down
SarahTime
11-17-2011, 03:28 PM
No one is going to take them seriously now that they've posted their list of demands.
http://occupywallst.org/forum/proposed-list-of-ows-demands/
They've posted, essentially, the Communist Manifesto almost verbatim.
laugh my FUCKING ass off!!!!!!!!!!
hahahahahaha.
Seriously? Like, really? They can't be serious. These people are even more completely ridiculous than I originally thought.