View Full Version : This woman disturbs me...
ukmissy
02-20-2012, 08:10 PM
I'll second that Charlotte, I've worked far way degrading jobs than adult . I get more respect off my clients in this job than I have thus far in any other.
Incantatious
02-20-2012, 08:49 PM
I don't think she comprehends the amount of damage she is actually doing. It's shocking.
GlamourRouge
02-20-2012, 08:58 PM
I don't think she comprehends the amount of damage she is actually doing. It's shocking.
She's not exactly the brightest crayon in the box.
minniesoporno
02-20-2012, 10:50 PM
Its shelly lubben in the video. and Monica Foster are both in this pitty party and trying to blame porn and the sex industry for thier bad choices
DiamondCupcakes
02-21-2012, 02:10 AM
BLEH! Are you serious? What I hate is that these women act like they are "the voice of the women in the industry" No lady, I don't hate my fans and I don't hate men. I also have not been an escort, ave not been smacked around, or abused. Omg this women is just vomiting lies. I feel bad for what happened to her but not everyone is you. How dare you speak as though we are all going through this "We have all been bled upon, smacked around..." um hell no. Vietnam vets have nothing on us? I am just speechless with the things she's saying. I hope I never meet this woman in person. Man do I have some things to say to her. Dont blame the industry for your poor life choices! UGH JUST UGH!
DiamondCupcakes
02-21-2012, 02:13 AM
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Lol sorry I had to post this.
4urpleasure
02-21-2012, 05:22 AM
Hahahaha! Okay... *takes breath*
I think people would take this seriously if it weren't for the following.
1) She clearly has a poor personality. She is irresponsible, unable to take responsibility for her actions, she is homophobic, racist, and a religious fanatic * note, not someone who is religious, but over the top religious and arrogant. To think that if a higher being existed, they would hold your hand and care for you the whole time. She is someone who really needs to feel special.
2) She made really poor choices, and claims everyone did the same, so it made it okay for her to make them. She also gives everyone a horrible reputation now.
3) She has horrible statistics that make no sense, and you can immediately tell that they are made up.
4) She doesn't know how herpes works. Why the fuck would you have to separate utensils and towels from your child? It's not a fucking airborne disease or a contagious bacterial infection. It is also not miraculously cured.
5) She claims she got 7 people out of the industry, which is the most in history. WTF? Holy shit as if you can even fucking say that.
6) She claims that the porn industry has the most suicides/ drug related deaths with the music industry at a close second. LOL clearly she never heard about the highest suicide rates being among dentists :P. Also she claimed it was under 10 a year. Do you know how little that is in the grand scheme of things?
7) She is abusing her child by saying racial comments about her, putting down her phenotype and heritage, calling her a trick child, and informing said child that she is a child born out of prostitution, and makes it public knowledge. The disgusting thing about this is no one is calling her out on this.
8) She is incredibly stupid, who gets tricks to buy them dresses and then throws them out after? She claims no one gets out and spends all of their money when clearly she was just incapable of doing it and irresponsible enough to take control over/ acknowledge that fact.
9) She is incredibly insulting to anyone who has a degree who now does this kind of work because they enjoy it, or are doing this while striving for a degree.
10) She just creeps me out in general, right away you know she is a nut case. She has terrible, creepy acting, and I am pretty sure she just cherry picked a lot of the bad things about the industry from her own experiences and other works to make the worse story possible.
She can now live her life and pretend to be holier than thou while enjoying her completely useless theology degree while I live my life and bank, while doing it safely and making wise, common sense based decisions, and eventually attend university.
The only sad thing is she thinks she is doing everyone in the industry an amazing thing, when really, she is just hurting people in the end. Sure,there are people who want to get out and need too, but not everyone.
lolabunny
02-21-2012, 05:46 AM
What is her deal? lol....So we are men-hating women with broken families who can only sleep by crying when we're high or drunk lol...Speak for yourself stupid lol... Men are my best friends, my family loves me, and I don't smoke, do drugs or barely drink, I am also a firm believer in christ.....yah, sorry you had a hard life but grow up and move on like we all do; blaming it on porn instead of your fucked up self esteem is even worse. Own up to your shit...you did porn for all the wrong reasons, and bitch no one put a gun to your head so don't make it seem like the decision wasn't up to you....I cannot stand people who blame everyone and everything but their damn self...I think I'm more disgusted with the comments on her vid praising her and calling her "brave." lol she is a joke who wants people to pity her. She makes me want to throw something at her lol
missykrissy
02-21-2012, 09:36 AM
Ok I think I get it.
She used to use porn and random paid sex to delude herself into thinking she was special. Then that well dried up on her, so she turned to plan B, Jesus.
She's still prostituting herself to the nth degree talking in public about the most fowl degrading things, some obviously made up, she's even willing to tell the whole world her own daughter is a trick baby. Can she degrade herself any further?
I think she's making at least some of this up. She just has that vibe. Attention junky. I think the real reason she left porn & escort is that she stopped getting bookings. Pissed her off big time, she went all Jesus on 'em.
fwiw I read on her own website that when she did incall on of her custies slashed her tires. She seemed to think this was standard. Hello, don't let people come to your apt dear.
Aurora_Sunset
02-21-2012, 10:23 AM
Ok I think I get it.
She used to use porn and random paid sex to delude herself into thinking she was special. Then that well dried up on her, so she turned to plan B, Jesus.
She's still prostituting herself to the nth degree talking in public about the most fowl degrading things, some obviously made up, she's even willing to tell the whole world her own daughter is a trick baby. Can she degrade herself any further?
I think she's making at least some of this up. She just has that vibe. Attention junky. I think the real reason she left porn & escort is that she stopped getting bookings. Pissed her off big time, she went all Jesus on 'em.
fwiw I read on her own website that when she did incall on of her custies slashed her tires. She seemed to think this was standard. Hello, don't let people come to your apt dear.
+1!!! I was just about to say this. She got into porn for the attention and when it didn't work out like she wanted to, she sold herself out another way - a way that would be seen as more "socially acceptable" so she could actually get the attention she's always wanted. Funny how when someone admits they got into porn because they had low self-esteem and wanted the attention, everyone just nods their heads and goes "yes, yes, of course, makes sense." But when someone is blatantly trying to get attention for a fucked-up self image through something else, nobody sees it... they just call her "brave" for being, as you said, an attention junkie, waving her dirty laundry all over the internet. ::)
missykrissy
02-21-2012, 10:58 AM
Thank you for the cosign A-S I thought, I'm watching her thinking, am i the only one thinking she's as transparent as saran-wrap?
And you know, really if you get into porn, stripping, whatever to boost your self-esteem or make $$$, imo, that's fine, hope it goes well.
But to get into the ministry for money and to feel important and special is just disgusting & that is what she is doing.
*wagging finger, speaks in booming voice* for shame, Shelley Lubben, I cast my judgment on thee!!!!
Also, she still has a kind of porn-y look, just modified. like that's either a wig or a weave, her boobs are enormous, and the makeup...well...
cyberstripper
02-21-2012, 12:33 PM
We all have our own opinions on this woman but what I have come to realize that Porn actors/actresses are not legitimate actors/actresses lol duhhhh! They do their own stunts without protection and without following safety standards. They cannot unionize. They are not technically acting, they are doing the real deal. This is NOT an actress! They need to stop using the title of porn star, porn actress: because they are not acting, this is not theater for cryin out loud. Instead of putting cute little names on everything, they need to fess up and realize that they are not pornstars, or actresses but they are video prostitutes.
Until Porn acting becomes legitimate acting with faked penetration/kissing, etc, using props, stunt men/women, body doubles, and being trained to do their own "stunts" in a safe manner, or until it is recognised as a legitimate industry with far more regulations to keep people safe, porn will exist as it is and continue to become a more and more hazardous working environment.
I believe everyone should have the same rights and freedoms and in the adult industry you give away so many of your rights the second you sign a contract. There are many ways that porn can be made safer: drug testing, condom useage, etc and some are left up to the individual. Unfortunately in this day and age u cannot trust individuals to make good decisions. I was honestly quite happy when I heard about condoms becoming mandatory. There is still a risk, and there will always be in sex work, but for many years, producers/agents, etc have refused to shoot with people who care about these risks in the least bit. And obviously, testing every 30 days is not enough, tests should be done before and after every shoot to isolate std situations. A few years ago, agents and producers would refuse to give you work if you are a condom-only performer, etc.
I can't believe these producers and directors have the audacity to say they will lose money due to shooting condoms only. In other foreign markets it is not legal to show genitalia/penetration and the markets are still huge. I dont see many guys mid-wank, refusing to watch a video because it has a GASPPPPP condom. LOL Perverts are not that picky, but shady directors/producers/etc are. If you do contract an STD, it makes it easier for them to manipulate you. I have seen it first hand: Girl goes to la, gets an STD, cannot shoot, ends up "oweing" agent money for hotel, food, etc, disease clears up, girl has to shoot to keep a roof over her head and pay back agent, and the vicious cycle continues. IMHO the only people who DO NOT want a safer working environment are the people who WANT a dangerous industry, WANT to abuse people and take advantage of them. There are very good companies, but 98% of newcomers never get to shoot with them. That means 98% of girls are working with people who (unbeknown to them) do not have their best intrest in mind. Of course, the talent must also have their best intrest in mind and make desicions accordingly, but lets face it, many of these girls are NOT in the frame of mind to make good decisions, period, and there are people out there who will prey on them and take advantage wether they are simply naieve, ignorant, or a drug addicted maniac with nothing to lose.
Kellydancer
02-21-2012, 01:12 PM
I think there are too many threads about her. I think she is nutty and an extreme but she does have a point (which would make sense if she didn't act weird). There are people who are abused in the sex industry and there are women trapped in it. We all know this, we probably all know someone who got into drugs and prostitution and every bad thing from getting into in the business. How many posts do we see everyday from a dancer or other sex worker trying to get out? It's not a long term career for most and cause damage if not careful. However, this can happen in any industry. I've known people in other non sex industries who got into drugs and more because of poor choices.
I think Ludden was one of those extreme cases and she should have never got into it. I think most of those who end up regretting it are also more than likely those who never should have either. There are certain aspects I personally regret but this is the case with many jobs I've had. I regret taking my last job (non sex)than I do being a stripper.
Sophia_Starina
02-21-2012, 01:26 PM
I feel bad for her.
She views her past experiences in a very self-destructive fashion. Lots of scare-tactics too. Yikes.
I hope she finds peace and shuts the fuck up. Then again, it is her point of view... It's sad that she lives in these spooky tinted memories every day.
cyberstripper
02-21-2012, 02:53 PM
Porn can definately be degrading and violent, but it is not the producers/pornstars fault or even the industrys fault. It is a societal issue. If there was not a demand for violent and degrading porn, there would be no market for it and nobody would shoot it. That is the main problem. People point fingers at porn, and those in it but it is the people who are viewing it that fuels the fire. They can view it in their homes, think their sick perverse and degrading thoughts, and walk away scott free and all the while never get help for their issues.
DiamondCupcakes
02-21-2012, 05:57 PM
I think there are too many threads about her. I think she is nutty and an extreme but she does have a point (which would make sense if she didn't act weird). There are people who are abused in the sex industry and there are women trapped in it. We all know this, we probably all know someone who got into drugs and prostitution and every bad thing from getting into in the business. How many posts do we see everyday from a dancer or other sex worker trying to get out? It's not a long term career for most and cause damage if not careful. However, this can happen in any industry. I've known people in other non sex industries who got into drugs and more because of poor choices.
I think Ludden was one of those extreme cases and she should have never got into it. I think most of those who end up regretting it are also more than likely those who never should have either. There are certain aspects I personally regret but this is the case with many jobs I've had. I regret taking my last job (non sex)than I do being a stripper.
That's the problem though. There are some important issues that she brings up and supports but here extreme views turn people off to the real issues at hand. She is doing way more damage than help.
Kellydancer
02-21-2012, 09:30 PM
That is why people are turned off by her. If she made it blunt but mentioned all aspects I'd be here defending her. However she blames what she went through (which not all of of us did)on the industry. I'm not an ever was an escort but even I know condoms need to be used.
bubblegumbitch
02-22-2012, 06:42 AM
she also said that she met that chinese guy at a taxi dancing club and decided to fuck him for $200 dollars (she obviously didn't go about meeting her clients in the right way). also he couldn't wear a condom cuz it kept falling off of his dick and then he came inside of her. first off, i have done lap dances at strip clubs and made way more than that and second she should have just not did the act if he couldn't wear one. she point blank cannot blame an industry for her own foolish mistakes. she worked in porn for only one year and worked on 17 sets. she made her detrimental naive mistakes on her own before she got into porn. she didn't make it to be a star in porn, which is what alot of girls seem to think when they get into porn. so now she is taking advantage of and victimizing the woman that she is 'claiming' to help just to reap her own selfish benefits. other than her being crazy, she just does not have the honest intentions inside of her to be a truthful person. i am sorry but i have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who is just as evil and conniving themselves.
Incantatious
02-22-2012, 02:29 PM
Porn can definately be degrading and violent, but it is not the producers/pornstars fault or even the industrys fault. It is a societal issue. If there was not a demand for violent and degrading porn, there would be no market for it and nobody would shoot it. That is the main problem. People point fingers at porn, and those in it but it is the people who are viewing it that fuels the fire. They can view it in their homes, think their sick perverse and degrading thoughts, and walk away scott free and all the while never get help for their issues.
The main problem is people attaching labels like "sick" and "perverse" to pornography.
The word "degrading" in and of itself is subjective, but never is it at it's most subjective than when it's applied to porn. There are people who view pole dancing as degrading to women. There are people who view soft-core porn as degrading to women. There are people who view BDSM porn as being degrading to women. Every time I hear words like "sick" and "perverse" being paired with sexuality and fantasies, I feel we are nowhere near the true sexual liberation that we really need in order to make progress. So much light needs to be shed on the differences between fantasy and reality, and fantasy and MORALS.
Human sexuality comes in all shapes and forms, which become wired into our psyche throughout our lives, starting off as early as childhood, and layered over relationships with our peers. Sexual fantasies, regardless of their content, are our natural means of finding ways to become aroused as a result of negating negative life experiences which prevent us from feeling arousal. This explains why it is possible to have instances in which those who may have endured sexual abuse, may find pleasure in fantasizing about similarly abusive scenarios as a way of dealing with that life experience. (In other words: They can essentially "reconstruct" a traumatic experience they may have had in their fantasies, but either the underlying theme, or the climactic outcome of that fantasy will be one in which the roles are reversed, and the victim is the one who wields the power).
However, because the nature of sexual fantasies and fetishes IS pleasurable, getting help for a troubled past may not necessarily result in that fantasy disappearing. I don't believe, either, that any health professional should intervene or try, in any way, to tamper with somebodies sexual fantasies unless those fantasies cause harm to the individual or others, but simply to focus on aiding that person in psychological well-being.
The example I gave regarding negating traumatic experiences via fantasies, is not one-size-fits all of course, and I can't and won't generalize. I can only give examples in an attempt to try to bring humanity to some of the kinks that some of us know and love / hate. It can be incredibly isolating and shaming to place words like "sick" or "perverted" on fantasies that may not necessarily be doing any harm to the thinker or anybody else. People DO NOT typically take their sexuality into all parts of their mind. Our sexual thoughts do not reflect on our morals or ethics. At all. They are not related. People can say: "He likes to watch women getting beaten with whips. How must he treat women in his everyday life if he enjoys seeing women degraded like this?!" We can all do a similar thing with our own sexual fantasies.
In my own sexual fantasies, I occasionally enjoy spying on a woman (nude, undressing, or just appearing very provocatively dressed) whilst they are oblivious to my viewing. I laugh at her when she discovers me, I smile, throwing crude compliments about her looks and proceed to touch her against her will. I would NEVER treat a woman like this in reality. I know that to do so is an infringement upon her human rights and would be a matter of sexual harassment, and I have no desire to treat a woman like this in reality. However there would be many people who would, upon hearing that fantasy of mine, begin sharpening their knives of twisted "moral justice" and tell me I'm a "perverted freak" and to "go and get help" - possibly before I hurt someone or start throwing myself at women in reality.
This is outrageous, out-dated, and, in my opinion, where the real corruption is: The perpetuation of guilt, shame, and isolation of normal, healthy sexual fantasies. If you are going about creating an organisation posed as the nemesis of Shelly Lubben, I would plead with you to do at least some research on this. Take any book by Nancy Friday, or Dr Michael Bader (preferably Nancy Friday for sheer mass of cases - she has amassed perhaps the most vast collection of sexual fantasies over several books) and browse through that many anonymously-delivered fantasies and keep them for their hugely diverse, refreshingly normalizing view on human sexuality. Bader is awesome for aiding an understanding towards where our fantasies come from, and why they exist.
velocixo
03-06-2012, 04:49 PM
What the fuck... I cant even...
ukmissy
03-07-2012, 10:46 PM
Porn can definately be degrading and violent, but it is not the producers/pornstars fault or even the industrys fault. It is a societal issue. If there was not a demand for violent and degrading porn, there would be no market for it and nobody would shoot it. That is the main problem. People point fingers at porn, and those in it but it is the people who are viewing it that fuels the fire. They can view it in their homes, think their sick perverse and degrading thoughts, and walk away scott free and all the while never get help for their issues.
If it's something ''sick , perverse and degrading '' , then both parties are to blame , those who produce it, and those who want it produced.... Both are to blame equally , and if not , the producer owns slightly more blame , for going head and producing the sick nonsense.... but by sick perverse and twisted - I'm talking , bestiality , kids, or hurting people against their will - Cyberstripper - if you believe the stuff we produce or are involved with , is fuelling the sick and perverse , then you should really stop.... I never do anything I feel fuels something morally decrepit , and I suggest you not to either .... However I have no problem with mainstream porn , I don't believe it fuels anything but a hardon , and with that I am perfectly comfortable ........ however if someone started asking me to produce paedo shit .... I wouldn't shunt the blame onto the person 'viewing it ' and claim 'well if they didn't want it , I wouldn't be making it '' ... PFFFT !
I wonder what it is you are involved with , that you feel needs a label such as 'sick and perverse' , I find this quite disturbing . I also find it disturbing you label it a blame game ..... ''the people viewing it that fuels the fire '' .... no , the people viewing it , fuel my business ! If you think blame needs to be dished out , you are either in the wrong business, or creating the wrong type of content ;-)
Missy.
firemaiden04
03-10-2012, 04:41 PM
I know plenty of girls in the sex industry who are just like this women, and I know plenty who aren't anything like her. This industry is what you make of it. If you go in expecting it to be this really physically, mentally, and emotionally draining unhealthy party-hard desperate lifestyle that is just part of your downward spiral, then guess what? That's exactly what it's going to be. My ex-boyfriend raped me when I was 20 and I don't hate men. I've been cheated on by every guy I've ever dated (except my husband) and I don't hate men. I enjoy stripping, and I enjoy being healthy about it. I like eating healthy, staying sober at work, taking very good care of my skin, hair, and every other part of my body, and going on the occasional vacation or shopping spree (usually both at the same time LOL). I like being in shape, I like connecting with customers and getting paid for dances and conversation and then parting with mutual satisfaction. And that is the ESSENCE of a good sale. A good sale is one in which both the buyer and the seller walk away happy. I'm not out to fuck over any guy unless he fucked me over first. And I'm not going to allow any customer to try and pull one over on me or put me in a situation where I'm in any way uncomfortable. I appreciate that respectful men give me money to enjoy my company without trying to force me into something I'm uncomfortable with, whether we are talking or I'm dancing, and I'm sure that the customer appreciates that I didn't try to screw him over or rip him off. Any customer that considers buying a lapdance and not receiving sexual favors and/or not getting to touch me a rip-off is a customer I won't tolerate and will stay away from. It's sad that so many women are unable or unwilling to set and/or enforce boundaries in this industry. But it's hardly the industry's fault.
Superwoman1989
04-01-2012, 06:42 PM
I know dancers and women that have made movies that don't have drug problems, they feel very sorry for women that feel they have to get high to do their jobs! sad
LibraSnake
04-01-2012, 10:55 PM
She says she has never met a porn star or someone in the adult industry that didn't have a drug or alcohol addiction.
She's got a point. How many people you know don't drink coffee?
ShayBaby
04-02-2012, 12:58 AM
....Just watched it. It explained a lot. I feel like I figured it out... just a theory. All her life, she just really wanted to feel like she was apart of something. But being as naive as she is/was, she believed & trusted a lot of people who saw her as a prime target to use & manipulate through the adult industry. Yes, unfortunately this happens in the adult industry when you're naive, but it also happens in lots of other industries.....
Yes, very true. Saw it happen A LOT in the military. Mental and sexual abuse. And the service industry too.....except worse. And you make a lot less money as a waitress then as an adult industry worker,(usually). A freind of mine once said, "every job is a hustle and no matter what you do you are selling a part of yourself" Funny how in our world people make more money selling their bodies than selling their souls to a 9 to 5 job that they hate.
She's half asian... because I got pregnant with an asian guy.
Geez, really? Somehow she made sounding like having a bi racial kid was just as bad as the fact she got pregnant from a customer, if not worse. I feel bad for her daughter with that attitude.