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Doc Holliday
12-15-2011, 10:54 AM
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rickdugan
12-15-2011, 01:08 PM
...but I do actually respect dancers who are good at milking customers out of their money. Part of the appeal of strip clubs is that a man enters a world where he is now the prey. Instead of hitting on women promising the world trying to get in their pants, women hit on you suggesting the world trying to get in your wallet. And the good ones don't have to suggest a damn thing! They just have to look good, smile nice, and listen.


And to be honest, a couple times I've encouraged strippers to milk a customer, too. It's fun to watch them work! Strip clubs are like a petri dish of Darwinism and I like watching the weak get destroyed.


I think last night in my sleep, after all you've collectively said, I finally realized this business is not about dancing, or art, or the beauty of a woman... it's about making money. Every customer is like a little piggy bank and you got to figure out how to shake that mother fucker 'till every last bill drops out. And if that piggy bank is empty? You just wasted your time. But if the little piggy bank is full and keeps flowing? Now that's a piggy bank worth shaking!!

Wow, that was very dramatic. I highlighted some of my favorite parts. ;)

Why does it need to be one extreme or the other? First clubs were utopian paradises offering fine artistic entertainment as well as female kindness for the downtrodden man. Now they are treacherous jungles filled with savage animals whose only goal is to devour the hapless male victims who are foolish enough to enter. Why, in your mind, can they not simply be entertainment venues where girls offer their services and guys pay for those services?

And a guy is only a victim if he chooses to be. I certainly don't see myself as "prey" and neither, IMHO, does any other guy who is secure and in control of himself. Guys who do not have the willpower or fortitude to say "no" when they are being hustled should stay out of the clubs, as should anyone who cannot afford to be there.

Doc, take a deep breath, slow down and relax - seriously.

yoda57us
12-15-2011, 02:37 PM
Doc, take a deep breath, slow down and relax - seriously.

Listen to Rick. What you need is perspective Doc. Dealing only in the extremes will give you a false sense of the reality of clubs. It's really just guys looking for a little fun and dancers trying to make a living. Clubs really become a lot more fun when you stop trying to make things happen and just go with the flow.

KS_Stevia
12-15-2011, 08:45 PM
I've been noticing the extreme swings too, very borderline behavior.

Why do these PL's have so much trouble understanding its a business - but a business that is both in the leisure/hospitality, entertainment, and adult industries, so..ummm, I guess it can be construed as complicated?

Its like people who get obssessed with celebrities and musicians, etc. They begin to think that the entertainer's personality is exactly what is being publicized, and their behavior is somehow directed at them.

Nope silly, its just a persona that entertains the masses, yourself included. MOST people understand that the person is not the product, but some poor saps get deluded and try to create theoretical mountains out of the proverbial molehill.

Its really pretty simple, stupids.

Kellydancer
12-15-2011, 09:21 PM
What KS said. Being a stripper is like being a celeb because you often have two personalities. I have been near celebs who have a different real persona than what the general population thinks. Same thing with strippers. It's a fantasy and the customers who get it are the best to deal with. Those guys who are delusional and think because someone dances for you that she loves you are going to find themselves getting hurt.

Kessler
12-16-2011, 02:29 AM
Why does it need to be one extreme or the other?

This.


And a guy is only a victim if he chooses to be.

And this.

I may be off-base here, and if so, I sincerely apologize -- but I wonder if the subject that you're remaining conspicuously quiet on is the one that's motivating all this: that the thing beating in your chest may have gotten a wee bit cracked by someone.

First, you entered the forums demanding change - that dancers should take pride in their jobs and not just lead on guys, and that you would do away with the fantasy and focus on the art form. True, you may have a legit dream to run a SC, but there seemed to be repeated emphasis on eliminating the 'fantasy'.

Now, as Rick's pointed out, you've swung the other way - the rose-colored glasses have not only fallen off, you've stomped them into little bitty pieces and put them in a wood-chipper. SCs are now a lethal pit where you're the tenderloin and the lionesses are prowling.

Both viewpoints - the light-as-air SC and the dark-as-shit SC - seem to have the underlying emotion: the loathing of the fantasy and hustle. Which is why I wonder if perhaps you had a fuck-with-your-head negative experience with the 'fantasy' and that's the fire fueling these posts?

If not, again, I apologize and disregard all this bullshit. I talk out of my ass as much as the next ass. But if so (and you don't have to admit it) don't worry, bud. As TOO quoted Yoda which I'll paraphrase: sometimes, we all lose it because of an exceptional girl. I think the term "quivering mass of jelly" was used. But remember it's all meant to be fun if you know what's what. If you can, shake it off, realize it happens to everyone, then go find another great gal, knowing a little more this time.

The Jackal
12-16-2011, 05:43 AM
Talking out of one's ass is a rare skill. Not many people can do that. So if you can do that, be proud of yourself. I have never been able to talk out of my ass.

simple(headed?)guy
12-16-2011, 07:48 AM
^^^ Honest Officer, we weren't driving drunk.. we were all in the back seat talking shit.....

MommieLongLegs
12-18-2011, 06:23 PM
I wasn't gonna say anything Doc but you seem to just have a problem with the idea of having to actually pay for a woman's time, and the fact that you don't have a chance with her outside the club. That's a personal problem. As far as women not working for the money, how is that?

Doctors are professionals who may love helping people, but they're not gonna work everyday and not get paid for it.

JoJoX
12-20-2011, 02:43 AM
some guys seriously need to be reminded of this.

you know what annoys the hell out of me? when guys claim they hate these types of strippers and claim they would tip the nice girl. but why does the aggressive stripper make 10x more money?! i use to be the nice stripper and you guys take advantage of that by getting as much as you can for free or for nothing. so yeah, we need to remind you here and there that we are here to make money not become your friend and not entertain you for free.

Aurora_Sunset
12-20-2011, 11:10 AM
some guys seriously need to be reminded of this.

you know what annoys the hell out of me? when guys claim they hate these types of strippers and claim they would tip the nice girl. but why does the aggressive stripper make 10x more money?! i use to be the nice stripper and you guys take advantage of that by getting as much as you can for free or for nothing. so yeah, we need to remind you here and there that we are here to make money not become your friend and not entertain you for free.

Exactly. They'll tip the nice girl... but they'll buy dances from the aggressive girl. When I was brand new, I sat with a guy who had been getting hassled all night by a dancer who wouldn't give up. He finally got a dance from her. I sat with him for longer than I should have, listening to him bitch about her, then as I was about to ask for a dance, he told me how "cool" I was for not asking for dances like the other girl and tipped me.... a dollar. Holy shit! A whole dollar!? Gee, thanks! You gave the obnoxious girl that you can't stop bitching about $20, but goddam, I guess my pride will pay my bills this month cuz I know I'm "cool" now. I'll go use my dollar to go get my dinner out of the vending machine... ::)

Vyanka
12-20-2011, 12:36 PM
I forgot to mention this early. If you want a really good sensual lap dance with the tease as you claim, buying only one dance from a dancer will only give you a mediocre dance. Why should anyone waste energy like that? We are not robots. Buy multiples and they will get better. It's always the cheapskaties that got some shit to complain about.

Doc Holliday
12-20-2011, 01:07 PM
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Kellydancer
12-20-2011, 01:14 PM
Doc you have a lot of fantasies of things that will not come true. Dancers are only there to make money, period. I only focused on doing a good job if the guys were paying. Trust me, it doesn't matter whether I do a good job or not if the club is empty of full of cheapos. I am not going to work hard if I am not being paid.

Doc Holliday
12-20-2011, 01:32 PM
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Vyanka
12-20-2011, 01:34 PM
Whatever, that business would flop in a heart beat. LOL

Doc Holliday
12-20-2011, 01:44 PM
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Vyanka
12-20-2011, 01:50 PM
Don't speak out of your ass. It's not becoming of a lady.

There are scores of bars focused on entertainment where customer service is limited; they are cliquish and care not about bringing in more customers. There are restaurants like this, too. Some survive some don't. But none care. And none have problems getting waitresses or bartenders. I don't know about strip clubs, but I know about this and a bar with dancers shouldn't be much different. See Portland.

No, you're the one speaking out of your ass telling us not to think about money like if we don't have bills to pay.. The fuck, seriously??

Doc Holliday
12-20-2011, 02:00 PM
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unbeleavable
12-20-2011, 02:24 PM
Doc how old are you?

Doc Holliday
12-20-2011, 02:36 PM
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cherryblossomsinspring
12-20-2011, 02:44 PM
I was thinking the same above. I wondered a few times was he attempting to purchase a girlfriend in the SC. Spent alot of money , she turned him down after his wallet went empty and he's pretty pissed about it.

Just seeing him go from art to a man being "prey" kinda summed it up. Maybe you should open a night club instead with go go dancers. They get paid a base salary , no tips and are really there to have as much fun as the customers that dance the night away.

Or you can try to make some super elite club that has a special key card to get in. Similar to the PB club.

Maybe this is your way of getting control over the dancers that you feel took so much from you in the past. Now you can be their boss and hit on them? I don't know. But since most people here are not into your idea. Then just go out and make it happen.

Also will have to agree with the "nice girl" story above. I tripled my earnings in less time for the day just because I was not the "nice girl" for a change. Sometimes that straight-to-business-value-my-time-attitude can make or break your night.

If you don't want someone that's used to making money as a dancer at an SC then don't higher dancers from the SC. Go find some go go dance club dancers that don't get paid on any tips but on a salary.

They also don't get touched either and aren't naked ever. No LD's either. Charge the guy with bottle service an extra $200 to have his favorite go go dancer sit and relax with him for half an hour (no touching or lap sitting) while another dancer goes up.

Kellydancer
12-20-2011, 02:47 PM
Doc how old are you?

I believe he mentioned he was in college and a frat boy, so we all know frat boys know more than all of us (sarcasm).

Seriously though I despise frat boys and always have, even in college. They think they know it all and are the greatest thing ever.

Doc Holliday
12-20-2011, 03:32 PM
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yoda57us
12-20-2011, 03:53 PM
I'm still holding out on the idea of opening a hipster strip club, where the dancers are there because they enjoy dancing and teasing,

Dude, this will never happen. Women don't tease total strangers unless they are getting paid. They tease people they actually know and care about for free. What you don't seem to understand yet is that what goes on between men and women in a strip club is basically the same as what goes on in real life with one very notable exception. In the club familiarity is replaced with M-O-N-E-Y. Hot women will undress for old fat guys because they are getting money, not because they enjoy dancing or teasing. Money is why they are happy to see you, money is why they dance for you, money is why they tease and flirt with you, money is why they lie to you. That's it. Period. End of fantasy.

mediocrity
12-20-2011, 03:57 PM
Shit! You know you secretly desire me and my A&F polo and my Bud Lite and my 20" rims. Those nice guys may spend their paychecks on you at work, but we're the ones that can make you feel like a woman in bed.

Well I should hope so. What else should we feel like? Porcupines? Last time I checked I definitely had a vagina.

All Good Things
12-20-2011, 04:08 PM
I believe he mentioned he was in college and a frat boy, so we all know frat boys know more than all of us (sarcasm).

He said he still acts like he did in college.

Given that his public profile puts his age at 31, and he seems to endlessly irritate the dancers on here by acting like an increasingly puerile horse's ass, he's got at least a decade or so of serious maturing to do.

Doc Holliday
12-20-2011, 04:08 PM
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cherryblossomsinspring
12-20-2011, 04:10 PM
Shit! You know you secretly desire me and my A&F polo and my Bud Lite and my 20" rims. Those nice guys may spend their paychecks on you at work, but we're the ones that can make you feel like a woman in bed.

Who are you talking about? Also who are you talking too? When does a customer become "nice" because he's buying what he actually wants? He's a customer that's it. He could be a murderer but just because he pays for LD's he's a nice guy? Umm no. He's just paying for what's on the menu.

Women will feel like women whether or not you're in bed with them. Actually it's the 1 week out of the month that really drives that reality of how much a woman I am... home. Sorry but women don't base what they are by sitting at the end of someone's "stick" for all of 3 mins. Trust that if this was the case, you wouldn't even be logged in here, hell you wouldn't even be paying for attention at the strip club knowing that you had to throw on your cape and go bring another "woman" into the world. :O

yoda57us
12-20-2011, 04:20 PM
Yoda - And what you don't seem to understand is I want the con out of clubs. Pay girls to dance on stage, charge customers to send a girl to sit at a table, enforce the local laws and don't let customers think they can get whatever they want. Clubs aren't about the art of dancing and teasing as I thought, they're about the art of confidence. Which I have grown to appreciate, but I still would like to see a place where both a stripper who wants to be an awesome dancer can earn money and the stripper who wants to be an awesome con artist can, too. If for no other reason than it's the later that may end up paying our bills.

I can read Doc. I understand what you want just fine. Don't buy or attempt to open a strip club. Save your money, open a deli or something. Make sure you always slice the baloney thin...

cherryblossomsinspring
12-20-2011, 04:37 PM
Yoda - And what you don't seem to understand is I want the con out of clubs. Pay girls to dance on stage, charge customers to send a girl to sit at a table, enforce the local laws and don't let customers think they can get whatever they want. Clubs aren't about the art of dancing and teasing as I thought, they're about the art of confidence. Which I have grown to appreciate, but I still would like to see a place where both a stripper who wants to be an awesome dancer can earn money and the stripper who wants to be an awesome con artist can, too. If for no other reason than it's the later that may end up paying our bills.

Ok what's the "con"? dancing on your lap for $35? how is that a lie? That an attractive woman doesn't want to be groped by a hideous man? Of course not, but he's not there for the truth. The truth hits him everyday when he walks by women and they don't even notice he exists. So if he's paying for a lie that's his business. Guys that want to truth go out there with the best of them and try their hand at seeing if they can get with a woman with no money. In reality that still doesn't fly. It's either going to be dinner and drinks and in most cases at the end of the night he's not entitled to a damn thing. So in other words guys still pay. In this case you know what you're purchasing.

Vyanka
12-20-2011, 04:39 PM
Yoda, you're awesome. <3 Shit, I would give you a free lappy.

The Jackal
12-20-2011, 04:49 PM
Pay me $500/night and I'll consider coming to your club.

That is a fair demand.

Kellydancer
12-20-2011, 05:03 PM
He said he still acts like he did in college.

Given that his public profile puts his age at 31, and he seems to endlessly irritate the dancers on here by acting like an increasingly puerile horse's ass, he's got at least a decade or so of serious maturing to do.

Yes he does. I thought he said he was still in college, but I must have just skimmed his posts (which I normally do). He'll be one of those guys who is 50 and wondering why hot girls don't want him.

yoda57us
12-20-2011, 05:08 PM
Yoda, you're awesome. <3 Shit, I would give you a free lappy.

Well, it would be very rude of me to refuse...:) Can I pay for a few as well? ;)

All Good Things
12-20-2011, 05:10 PM
Pay me $500/night and I'll consider coming to your club.

You're worth at least $500 an hour.

Now we both know that Doc will only see money like that in Monopoly, but in the context of this little game, you should at least charge what the market will theoretically bear. :)

Doc Holliday
12-20-2011, 06:02 PM
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rickdugan
12-20-2011, 08:21 PM
I don't like the hustle, the aggressive dancers hitting me up, the sly offers of extras when I pass, the dancers that have to be wasted to dance, the quiet customers with an uncomfortable look in their eye, the attractive customer questionably sitting alone, the drunk frat boys wanting to cop a feel with or without getting slapped, the foreigners who could mean well but think a stripper will satisfy him for the same amount of money as the ones back home or club [x] had, or any other customer trying to get more than he or she can have.

And I don't like taxes, the fact that I am going to die someday, bills that I have to pay, and any number of things. But they are what they are. Similarly, for all of the reasons previously spelled out for you in painful detail and in simple terms, strip clubs are what they are, due in large part to the driving motivational forces supporting them, and there is little benefit to whining about it. The best you can do is to learn how to manage your emotions and enjoy them for what they are.

The Jackal
12-20-2011, 08:26 PM
^ I think that is a very good advice.

Doc Holiday,

I think it is time for you to say your serenity prayers. :)

Doc Holliday
12-20-2011, 09:22 PM
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The Jackal
12-20-2011, 09:27 PM
An ambition is a noble thing. So, I will wish you good luck. :)

yoda57us
12-21-2011, 04:49 AM
but I still would like to see a place where both a stripper who wants to be an awesome dancer can earn money and the stripper who wants to be an awesome con artist can, too. If for no other reason than it's the later that may end up paying our bills.

You left out one category Doc. You forgot about the stripper who wants to be a whore in the VIP. You can't pretend they don't exist or that they won't show up in your utopian strip club. You also can't forget that they may very well be the ones who end up paying your bills...

Doc Holliday
12-21-2011, 05:06 AM
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Kessler
12-21-2011, 06:04 AM
Doc, enough already. You know what I mean.

Nails on a chalkboard, buddy... nails on a chalkboard.

KeithDoxen
12-21-2011, 09:40 PM
The OP clearly doesn't understand women. His notion of a club where female employees and male patrons engage in flirtation, teasing, etc, without the exchange of cash is completely absurd because no woman would put herself in that situation without financial compensation being the endgame. If a woman wants to flirt or tease she will go to a bar, a club, call up her boyfriend, call up her FWB, or heck, even hit on the guy who she thinks is cute at the gym. What she will NOT do is go into a club full of overweight middle aged men, take off all her clothes, and then flirt with them for "fun." Because that wouldn't be fun for her.

What seemed to have spawned this thread is the OP's irritation with the recurring theme around here that it's all about the money. I think the OP may better understand the reason that this line is repeated so often on this site via an illustration from "The Simpsons." When I was a teenager during the '90s, I loved The Simpsons. One of the funniest bits was when these scientists were testing the concept of negative reinforcement on Homer. Every time Homer reached for a donut, he would receive an electric shock. The idea was that after enough electric shocks, he would associate donuts with shocks and thus stop reaching for the donut. But instead, Homer continued to reach for the donut after each shock, with the knowledge that he would be shocked doing nothing to dissuade him from repeatedly trying to get that donut.

Men in strip clubs are kind of like Homer Simpson. They walk in and KNOW that the girls are just there for the money. But then one especially hot girl flirts with them. Or a girl pretends that she came during an LD with them. Or a girl finds a move that is especially arousing to a guy and keeps doing that move. Or she gives him her number. Or kisses him. Or a million other things that girls do to hustle. And after each of those things, the guy starts to think that maybe it's not about the money, and maybe this particular girl really does like him.

So when these guys come on here and say, "Does Stripper X like me because she (insert dumbass reason here)?" the girls have to remind the guy that it's all about the money. That line is the "shock" that is intended to jolt the guy back to reality so he'll stop convincing himself that the fantasy is real. And after several hundred of these guys come on here and ask the same thing, it just becomes natural for "it's all about the money" to become a catch phrase around here. My impression as an infrequent lurker/poster is that this line is intended to help the men understand things, not as a tool for man-bashing.

Kellydancer
12-22-2011, 12:57 AM
Keith I am liking you more and more. But yep completely on the mark. No woman would flirt with a man she didn't find attracive unless he was spending money.

cherryblossomsinspring
12-22-2011, 01:01 AM
Keith!!! Wow you made me smile in such a great way:) Exactly on point.

The Jackal
12-22-2011, 09:13 AM
I agree with Keith Doxen.

I will add this. It is never a good idea to mix romance with your work. I never pursued romance at my work place even when I was single. But then again, there are some people who do it. I call it cooler side romance because they (lovers) are often caught flirting by the water cooler. :)

Doc Holliday
12-22-2011, 09:31 AM
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The Jackal
12-22-2011, 09:35 AM
or in this case, jäger cooler.

lol :) lol