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nelli
08-26-2016, 05:18 PM
$20 isn't a lot when it comes to live adult entertainment. We are a luxury service, and guys who can't afford it can fuck off.
Omg this!!! I'm not too cheap (I dont think) but yaaaasssss we're a luxury!
anonymous camgirl
08-26-2016, 05:32 PM
I charge $5 per min in indie world.. I raised my rate about 2 months ago cuz I was fed up!.. I was doing really well on cam sites and these guys want to dicker around for cheap rates on indy sites.. I WAS charging $4 per min.. never lowered them since.. was not getting that much shows a $4 so at $5 I am getting the same amount of show for a lil bit extra money.. $5 per min is pretty steep for these guys.. but when I am talking to them about it? I never make them think I am NOT worth it.. I am worth more.
I say raise your Indy rates! Way too many girls offering Skype shows for way the fuck less then they would offer the same show on a bigbox site. I realize you get a bigger cut but that doesnt mean your should charge less! Charge the same and make a bigger cut!!!
anonymous camgirl
08-26-2016, 05:49 PM
I understand your way of thinking but after being a cam girl for YEARS!.. you BECOME The bratty princess bitchy domme.. because you see that all your hard work of being affordable to guys were for NOT.. that's what happened to me.. I wanted to be affordable as well. I charged anywhere from $1.99-$3.99.. I priced myself so that I could get at least $1 per min.. and do you know what ended up happening? Yea I was busy all the time.. 50 shows a day.. I fell asleep to a sore vagina that sometimes lasted til the next day.. I didn't want to work the next day but I knew I had to... I started to get even more stressed out because my rates were not in line with what I needed to support my family.. so I then started giving sob stories to my best customers who sent hundreds to my paypal and western union.. I did this for 9 YEARS!!!!!!!!! and then I found stripperweb in 2012 and I couldn't BELIEVE girls were charging such expensive rates!.. I thought what I was charging was the norm.. I never had any money and I was always sad and depressed.. I still am but now I have MORE money to be sad and depressed about.. now after 14 yrs I am ready to get out of camming.. because I WASTED 9 yrs charging such low rates I never had anymoney to save.. I NEVER had any money til I charged more and found stripperweb.. and now I want to move on with life.. which I could have done sooner if I charged more years ago.. just because you enjoy charging less and make yourself affordable doesn't mean you want to deal with their shit for 14 yrs! and be happy about them..
I can kind of relate to this, from my own perspective. I don't really see myself as a "luxury" item either, in the sense that I'm not a spoiled princess type, or a bitchy domme, or a smoking hot bombshell with a perfect body. I think those personas lend themselves to much higher rates. Personally, for my own "brand"/persona, I actually want to be seen as affordable, not expensive. But affordable does not necessarily mean "cheap."
I have zero incentive to raise my rates because I'm banking with the ones I have, even though they might be considered "cheap" to some girls. I have regulars who buy block sessions frequently, and I get new custies buying long shows all the time. My income reassures me that my rates are in the right place. I don't want to suddenly be more expensive, then risk losing those existing customers (or hearing them complain), and have to hustle all new ones.
Edited to add: With all of that said, I do agree with Solo's initial thread-revival post, in that we should be aiming to tease longer and draw out the length of our shows. But that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with what you charge.
heyho
08-26-2016, 06:16 PM
Man, I was just thinking about this! I'm averagely priced among front page girls, but expensive in my category. There are maybe 3 other girls in my category charging more than me, and they're all top ranking expert hoes whereas I'm just like "no anal sry bye". I'm constantly doubting my strategy and wondering if I should lower my rates.
But then I remember how totally fucked I am after 2-3 hours on cam. Do I want to do more shows and get more fucked for the same amount of $$?
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2y1yfKBMg1r0eo86o2_250.gif
Sometimes it feels like I spend hoursss languishing in freechat, but realistically to sustain 50% or more, doing the shows I do, would just be pussy cruelty. And thigh cruelty. I think I'll stay where I am :|
xBaby_Dollx
08-26-2016, 06:26 PM
I charge 1.99$ a minute and I am happy with it, it works for me.
I HATEEEE hour long sessions, at 1.99$ I am making my 300$ a day goal in 4 hours and that is good because I do not have the time to spend much longer then 4 hours camming
I also rarely deal with many beggars because I don't spend more then 5 minutes in fee chat for them to beg me for much or ask me many questions because, if they wanna ask me a question before someone else takes me private or exclusive- they gotta take me themselves so I generally am getting taken private or exclusive while a guy asks me questions about my shows.
Hey, it may seem stupid and it may not work for other girls, but if I had to be on cam for 6+ hours a night just to get my goal I would be going hungry.
Teddy_Bear
08-26-2016, 06:33 PM
This is the constant argument I have with myself, do I want more shows at a cheaper rate or do I want to remain expensive but sit around longer? I've decided I want to remain expensive despite the weekly abuse I get about not being 'worth' my rate or mocked by cheapasses because for every abusive arsehole there are 5 guys that pay without question or hesitation and act like I am a goddess. If I lowered my rates I would make less from the shows I do get as regulars would still want shows and they pay the higher rate now.
The other point that was raised in the thread Dynomite linked to about taking longer to give away the goods is fantastic advice though at any rate, I fell into the trap at first of I'm expensive so I have to put on a better show and quickly, that's just not true. Guys who pay me are looking for a personal experience and I found using my voice instead of my body often makes me more money. I prefer to remain clothed for the first 2-4 minutes but TELL them about the amazing show they are going to get before delivering what I've promised. They get hooked on the anticipation and forget how much they are spending ;)
However I believe it is very much a personal choice and don't look down on other ladies who have cheaper rates than me, whatever works for you is what you should do. I'm happy with the goals I set myself and strive for but they could be 10x less than the next girl or 10x more it doesn't really matter.
TheBrownFox
08-26-2016, 07:03 PM
$5 barely affords you a cup of coffee at Starbucks
Damn, I'm glad I drink Dunkin Donuts coffee then ($1.89 for a medium)! Lmao. But in all seriousness, I absolutely love what you said in your post. :)
sexysusie
08-26-2016, 08:09 PM
1.99 per min...
*head/desk*
Petite-
08-26-2016, 08:26 PM
I charge 1.99$ a minute and I am happy with it, it works for me.
I HATEEEE hour long sessions, at 1.99$ I am making my 300$ a day goal in 4 hours and that is good because I do not have the time to spend much longer then 4 hours camming
Have you tried higher rates? I used to think the same until I tried higher rates. Now I make $300 in 3 hours, sometimes less than 3 but WAY less work. You probably can do the same.
Magical_Hoohah
08-26-2016, 09:26 PM
Oh I went back to the Raise Your Rates thread to find this one amazing post about charging different rates through out the day.
I wasn't the person who originally posted it, and the person who did is now long gone from the forum. I know a while back I talked about the idea and explained it because I couldn't find the original post. Sadly, now I can't find my own post about it, either!
I can probably do a rewrite again, but was there something specific you were trying to remember?
SimoneGray
08-26-2016, 09:50 PM
I think what SoloDesire was trying to say is simply, in the face of the rough times that have hit recently, don't sell yourself short. Don't drop your prices, don't do things for bargain basement cash. It's tempting, but don't sell yourself short. You're only screwing yourself if you do.
Also, when the money does come back, you'll be super sad with all the "but bb where are the cheap shows?" guys. Don't do stuff for less when times are tough. Get you some financial advice. Hustle your ass off during the winter months so you can save for the Summer when its slower so that you don't have to lower your prices to make ends meet. Do what you gotta do, but don't sell yourself short. Ever.
CatBBW
08-26-2016, 10:43 PM
1.99 per min...
*head/desk*
$1.99 BEFORE the site takes their cut and subject to conversion rates. I estimate the total per min for UK ladies as around 40p-80p per min depending on the site.
justanothercamgirl
08-26-2016, 10:52 PM
I wasn't the person who originally posted it, and the person who did is now long gone from the forum. I know a while back I talked about the idea and explained it because I couldn't find the original post. Sadly, now I can't find my own post about it, either!
I can probably do a rewrite again, but was there something specific you were trying to remember?
Are we talking about Fridays and her 'Happy Hour' pricing? I really miss her. She taught me how to do a 'happy hour' and lower my prices for an hour instead of doing gold shows. She had some amazingly brilliant advice when it came to hustling.
sweetgapeach
08-26-2016, 11:08 PM
^^Me too. Miss her on here. And her hustle game is STILL sooo on point...
Magical_Hoohah
08-27-2016, 12:00 AM
Are we talking about Fridays and her 'Happy Hour' pricing? I really miss her. She taught me how to do a 'happy hour' and lower my prices for an hour instead of doing gold shows. She had some amazingly brilliant advice when it came to hustling.
No, although that's an awesome idea, too. I'm sad that Fridays got banned shortly after I showed up here, so I never really got to know her personally. Posts from Fridays and Roast basically taught me everything I needed to know as a newb.
Maybe you remember the person that originally posted this idea, JAC? Her name started with Lady and I don't remember what the rest of it was. Her avatar was something sort of abstract with a lot of blue and sandstone color. I remember that her earnings numbers impressed me, and she liked essential oils and stuff like that.
Anyhow, the idea was that you divide your day into three parts, whether by time or money goal is up to you. Then your rates increase for each third of the day.
Part one is ideally a rate that is low enough that you do pretty brisk business, and guys feel that they're getting an early bird special of some kind. It shouldn't be so low that you feel uncomfortable with charging too little, overwork yourself, or have a bunch of "3 dildos in ass and fist pussy bb?" guys. It's a fine line to walk, but you can adjust from day to day until you find a sweet spot.
The benefit of part one is that you get a lot of shows while you're energetic at the beginning, and you gain momentum right off the bat. You'll also have the chance to get some money out of the guys that aren't total cheapos, but can't quite afford your standard rates.
Part two is your normal rates. The amount of shows should still be pretty steady, but not as high as before. This is the time for middle of the road spenders.
Part three is for higher rates, and it's a good time to test out rates that you aren't sure anyone will pay. The amount of shows should decrease quite a bit, but since you worked hard earlier, that's probably a relief. It's the time for slowing down and catching whales.
The plan works best if you have a consistent schedule. Over time, guys that want/need lower rates will learn to show up earlier in your shift and keep you busy during the first third of the day. Whales that want you all to themselves will learn to wait and catch you later in your shift, when you aren't in and out of private the whole time, and they don't have to scramble to get an exclusive with you.
As to whether to divide the day by time or money, my personal preference is time. However, if I make 1/3 of my money goal before the time's up on the first part of the day, I'll go ahead and switch rates early. I figure that a sale is generally limited to a certain quantity of merchandise - if a store has a two week sale, but all the sale items sell out by the third day, that's that. They don't say "oh, we advertised two weeks of sale, but we're out of sale items, so let's discount other things, too." If a model is very popular and profitable on a particular day, there's no reason to continue the "sale" for longer than necessary. Of course, if you regularly meet your 1/3 monetary goal before your 1/3 time goal, you probably could raise your rates for the first part of the day.
Obviously, a lot of this is highly theoretical, and YMMV quite a lot. Also, I should mention that I have trouble with keeping a regular schedule, so I haven't personally tested this stuff out as thoroughly as I'd like.
JaneBurgess
08-27-2016, 12:05 AM
I charge 1.99$ a minute and I am happy with it, it works for me.
I HATEEEE hour long sessions, at 1.99$ I am making my 300$ a day goal in 4 hours and that is good because I do not have the time to spend much longer then 4 hours camming
I also rarely deal with many beggars because I don't spend more then 5 minutes in fee chat for them to beg me for much or ask me many questions because, if they wanna ask me a question before someone else takes me private or exclusive- they gotta take me themselves so I generally am getting taken private or exclusive while a guy asks me questions about my shows.
Hey, it may seem stupid and it may not work for other girls, but if I had to be on cam for 6+ hours a night just to get my goal I would be going hungry.
I dont see how you dont go hungry because most cam sites pay between 32 to 35 percent. Unless you have constant customers I dont see how with such a low cut you would make $300 in four hours.
JaneBurgess
08-27-2016, 12:15 AM
I am a luxury item and these guys know it. Girls like all of us are pros at our job, we know how to tease and entertain. Porn is a luxury item, its not a necessity. I charge the rates I do because I am worth every penny. If a guy doesnt think so he cam move along to another lady. Pick your own rates but dont sell yourself short either.
Classy_Katy
08-27-2016, 12:17 AM
I love it when I have a guy bitching about my prices and a customer swoops me up into paid :D
CreativeName
08-27-2016, 12:57 AM
I charge 1.99$ a minute and I am happy with it, it works for me.
I HATEEEE hour long sessions, at 1.99$ I am making my 300$ a day goal in 4 hours and that is good because I do not have the time to spend much longer then 4 hours camming
I also rarely deal with many beggars because I don't spend more then 5 minutes in fee chat for them to beg me for much or ask me many questions because, if they wanna ask me a question before someone else takes me private or exclusive- they gotta take me themselves so I generally am getting taken private or exclusive while a guy asks me questions about my shows.
Hey, it may seem stupid and it may not work for other girls, but if I had to be on cam for 6+ hours a night just to get my goal I would be going hungry.
1.99 a minute on what site gets u to $300 in 4 hrs? On Streamate even if ur in private 4 hrs straight u won't get anywhere near $300 at that rate.
DonaDiabla
08-27-2016, 01:08 AM
Actually,xBaby_Dollx, I have heard of this method working particularly on sites like camcontacts. A couple of girls on that website actually say that method works for camming. Frankly, I did that method for phone sex and it really helps meet my goals within 4 hours. Maybe, I will try that method on webcam at 3.99? :) Thanks for the inspiration.
I charge 1.99$ a minute and I am happy with it, it works for me.
I HATEEEE hour long sessions, at 1.99$ I am making my 300$ a day goal in 4 hours and that is good because I do not have the time to spend much longer then 4 hours camming
I also rarely deal with many beggars because I don't spend more then 5 minutes in fee chat for them to beg me for much or ask me many questions because, if they wanna ask me a question before someone else takes me private or exclusive- they gotta take me themselves so I generally am getting taken private or exclusive while a guy asks me questions about my shows.
Hey, it may seem stupid and it may not work for other girls, but if I had to be on cam for 6+ hours a night just to get my goal I would be going hungry.
SimoneGray
08-27-2016, 02:13 AM
Just read about Prestige Branding. Then you'll also get why going lower isn't a sustainable thing to do.
hyori
08-27-2016, 05:41 AM
Mercedes Benz used to be a prestige brand and their cars were very much high end luxury that sold well. Then they got the unfortunate idea to come out with a budget model. The following year, the rich people who owned Mercedes sold their cars or ended their leases because they did not want to be associated with the Mercedes brand anymore. Mercedes almost went bankrupt. It took them a decade to recover to where they are today and even so, Mercedes will never be seen as Lamborghini or Bentley.
It is a sad fact but, "Rich men don't want no dollar ho."
sexysusie
08-27-2016, 06:30 AM
^^ thats precisely the model I work off. Believe me there are guys compleyely ignoring the 1.99 cheap looking girls yet paying ridiculous amounts for girls they see as 'high end'.
Anyways about the different rates through the day thing - it can work. I never go cheaper but often when ive made my goal for the day I will up my rates, and low and behold always get custies x
nattyfetish
08-27-2016, 06:30 AM
1.99 a minute on what site gets u to $300 in 4 hrs? On Streamate even if ur in private 4 hrs straight u won't get anywhere near $300 at that rate.
i also doubt you could do 300 $ on livejasmin in only 4 hours.
SimoneGray
08-27-2016, 06:52 AM
Without knocking anyone's hustle, I'd just like to add something. Think about the TYPE of customer you want. Sometimes I'll have someone drop by my room and say something like "dam bb bitch u is expensive", and in that moment I'm so glad I am. I would never ever want someone like in my pvt show thinking they have control because they are paying me what they can afford, which let's be real here, is not much.
I get a lot of stacked premiums on SM, but every now and then when the crowd starts getting too unlikable, I raise my rate to exclude some people. Exclusion is a good thing because nothing I do is "all access", ever. It just attracts a certain type of person that I don't want to deal with. Being prohibitive is also good.
My block list currently sits at about 60 or so people. Not because I'm tolerant, but more because I decided a long time ago what type of person I wanted to attract and it seems to have worked. I get the odd troll and the odd rude idiot, but mostly I get eloquent, educated men who spend well. My prices are not for those who look in the bargain basement, mine are for those who don't even look at the prices on things when they buy, because they know they can afford it anyway.
Since taking this approach, my camming life has become a lot better. It's been a long time since I felt harassed in any way or disrespected, I haven't been attacked etc and I haven't done a show that I felt uncomfortable doing or dealt with someone who made me uncomfortable since like last year when my cap on SM was $5.99. Back then I had a few people who just made me feel off. They don't come round anymore because they can't afford me, even a little, and that's the way it stays.
If you want to have longevity in this industry you owe it to yourself to make sure your work environment is good and peaceful and very often having high rates ensures that without you even having to do too much.
IvyAdams
08-27-2016, 07:03 AM
Prestige Branding is what the fuck I'm talking about. I keep certain things in mind at ALL times.
1. Just because someone can't afford a shirt at Barneys, doesn't mean that Barneys lowers their prices. The potential customer either window shops and dreams or saves up to eventually be able to afford it.
2. If I'm out of your price range, I'm out of your league.
3. Luxury cars don't sell near as many models per year vs. a budget model car (say Toyota/Honda/VW) but their annual revenue is leaps and bounds above. The elite will always pay for the elite. You aren't going to get a whale sitting at $0.99/$1.99 min.
When you're camming you are selling your time and your body image. It's up to you to decide how much your time is worth. At the end of the day, charge what you're comfortable with, but if your prices are making you extremely busy with back to back exclusives at a low rate.. it's time to up them. Why kill yourself, when you could clearly be doing half the work and making double the money??
ETA: There's a reason why you get more trolls and ridiculous requests at the low price points. The less value you put on yourself, the less value customers will value your product.
SimoneGray
08-27-2016, 07:09 AM
Oh and one more thing, then I'll be done posting, I promise.
Inflation. Every year things go up, the cost of living etc increases due to inflation. Most people in non freelance industries tend to at some or other point get raises/look for jobs that pay them more to cope accordingly.
Your salary needs to go up too. Its not fair if you keep your prices static. Doing a yearly or twice yearly price increase is totally ok, because the cost of everything else around you is going up as well, so you may as well make sure that you've positioned yourself in a situation where you can keep up. Rent goes up? Food goes up? Gas goes up? How you gonna pay for that if your rates don't also go up?
From a purely practical standpoint, raising rates is the way to go, since everyone else on the free market is already doing it.
Have you tried higher rates? I used to think the same until I tried higher rates. Now I make $300 in 3 hours, sometimes less than 3 but WAY less work. You probably can do the same.
Absolutely. You will make the same amount of $$$ in the same amount of time but have to work less and get better customers too.
hyori
08-27-2016, 08:05 AM
I find when coming up with prices it helps to lay it out with plain ol' mathematics:
Model 1 charges $1.99 per minute = 0.70 cents her cut at 35%
Model 2 charges $5.99 per minute = $2.10 her cut at 35%
They both average 5 shows an hour @4 minutes per show (hypothetical, I don't know the actual averages, we are not calculating in spy guys)
Model 1 makes $2.80 per 4 minute show and after 5 shows she makes $14.
Model 2 makes $8.40 per 4 minute show and after 5 shows she makes $42.
Model 2 makes 3 times more money doing the same amount of work as Model 1.
The hypothetical average I used is not a difficult one to achieve if you work a consistent amount.
It's all in the math! Charge what you are worth!
IvyAdams
08-27-2016, 08:13 AM
I find when coming up with prices it helps to lay it out with plain ol' mathematics:
Model 1 charges $1.99 per minute = 0.70 cents her cut at 35%
Model 2 charges $5.99 per minute = $2.10 her cut at 35%
They both average 5 shows an hour @4 minutes per show (hypothetical, I don't know the actual averages, we are not calculating in spy guys)
Model 1 makes $2.80 per 4 minute show and after 5 shows she makes $14.
Model 2 makes $8.40 per 4 minute show and after 5 shows she makes $42.
Model 2 makes 3 times more money doing the same amount of work as Model 1.
The hypothetical average I used is not a difficult one to achieve if you work a consistent amount.
It's all in the math! Charge what you are worth!
OMG. I kind of want to fuck you right now Hyori. Love it when you talk numbers.:iloveyou::lovestruc
xCamLovex
08-27-2016, 08:32 AM
Being able to afford a live show from a cam model is a pure luxury. These losers that make you feel otherwise are cheap and can't afford it but trying to achieve it through begging or making a model doubt her herself.
I raised me already high rates yesterday and didn't get any shows. But u know what? I'm not changing them. You want to see what my show is about? Well hurry before I meet more guys willing to pay higher and higher. My rates have doubled since I started. I have to block so many guys from saying stuff like "oh I should've tried u when I were cheaper"
Should have. But didnt. Now u have to imagine me naked. But don't get mad at me for it.
I say all models raise your rates. Let's restore this as a luxury service. Not the porn alternative guys can haggle 100 videos for $20. I'm not selling my porn cheaper than donuts.
CreativeName
08-27-2016, 08:36 AM
I have observed that on streamate models sell their vids too cheap.. Personally I am not sure what is the line between cheap and not cheap. I think my prices are like in the middle 3.49/4.49- not as high as some of you all but my streamate placement is really effing bad and I really don't think I can get any shows raising my rates. I think my placement is bad due to RRT even though my internet speed is pretty good and then my time "Ranking" is just poor for whatever reason- maybe from splitcamming and constantly turning their site off. I don't know.
SoloDesire
08-27-2016, 11:00 AM
Without knocking anyone's hustle, I'd just like to add something. Think about the TYPE of customer you want. Sometimes I'll have someone drop by my room and say something like "dam bb bitch u is expensive", and in that moment I'm so glad I am. I would never ever want someone like in my pvt show thinking they have control because they are paying me what they can afford, which let's be real here, is not much.
I get a lot of stacked premiums on SM, but every now and then when the crowd starts getting too unlikable, I raise my rate to exclude some people. Exclusion is a good thing because nothing I do is "all access", ever. It just attracts a certain type of person that I don't want to deal with. Being prohibitive is also good.
My block list currently sits at about 60 or so people. Not because I'm tolerant, but more because I decided a long time ago what type of person I wanted to attract and it seems to have worked. I get the odd troll and the odd rude idiot, but mostly I get eloquent, educated men who spend well. My prices are not for those who look in the bargain basement, mine are for those who don't even look at the prices on things when they buy, because they know they can afford it anyway.
Since taking this approach, my camming life has become a lot better. It's been a long time since I felt harassed in any way or disrespected, I haven't been attacked etc and I haven't done a show that I felt uncomfortable doing or dealt with someone who made me uncomfortable since like last year when my cap on SM was $5.99. Back then I had a few people who just made me feel off. They don't come round anymore because they can't afford me, even a little, and that's the way it stays.
If you want to have longevity in this industry you owe it to yourself to make sure your work environment is good and peaceful and very often having high rates ensures that without you even having to do too much.
This was so perfectly said and motivated me even more! This job is so much more fun when I'm expensive...I actually enjoy my customers. Thank you for posting this <3
Bootsie
08-27-2016, 11:59 AM
GIRL! YOU ARE EVERY BIT OF A LUXURY NO MATTER WHAT YOU CHARGE! YOU ARE A WOMAN, YOU ARE A GODDESS, YOU ARE ENVIED BY OTHER WOMEN THAT DONT HAVE THE GUTS TO ACT OUT THINGS WE DO IN THEIR OWN BEDROOM.
WOMAN... YOU ARE A LUXURY. Whomever invests one penny in you sees you as a luxury. This shit doesnt just happen naturally with other women.
I am honestly in shock you dont think of yourself as a luxury and that breaks my heart, all of us are a luxury item. We have a price tag for what others do for free ninety free.
More than one model has told me she doent feel like shes luxury or exotic, sexual or anything that we do daily, its bc it comes so natural to us, it is easy to not feel like a luxury.
Ahem. My self-esteem is fine. I feel sexy, hot, and wanted. But no, I don't think of myself as a 5 star hotel. And no, I don't do extreme shows or aim to go viral. I'm pretty fucking low profile, if I told anyone my cam name, about 2 of you would know who I am. I do not need high rates to know that I am a goddess. I make the money I want to make, the way I want to make it.
It bothers me when camgirls blame cheap prices of other girls for their own drop in income. It also bothers me when girls are struggling to make money that "raise your rates" is the only advice given. I did that, and almost had to leave an industry I love. I did the math, and this works for me.
I am not cheap. I price my services to the demographic I am aiming for. I do the shows I want, I turn down the ones I don't want, I know my limit and I play within it. I am happy, I love what I do, and I charge less than you. That doesn't mean I don't love myself. My rate is not connected to my worth.
Bootsie
08-27-2016, 12:40 PM
It also depends. For example, I would not charge $2 per minute on SM because at 35% that is ridiculous. But indy at 70%+ I do. SM I charge double my indy rates, but more than 2/3 of my cam income at this point is indy.
anonymous camgirl
08-27-2016, 02:12 PM
Yea I used to that a lot and decided I would try it again to see where I am making the most money and getting the most shows.. not sure if it really works...
^^ thats precisely the model I work off. Believe me there are guys compleyely ignoring the 1.99 cheap looking girls yet paying ridiculous amounts for girls they see as 'high end'.
Anyways about the different rates through the day thing - it can work. I never go cheaper but often when ive made my goal for the day I will up my rates, and low and behold always get custies x
xBaby_Dollx
08-27-2016, 04:15 PM
I dont see how you dont go hungry because most cam sites pay between 32 to 35 percent. Unless you have constant customers I dont see how with such a low cut you would make $300 in four hours.
Because I do have a constant stream of customers.
I used to cam on kink live for several years, I was charging 5$ a minute, and I used to do very well until they sold the company, I left KL and stopped camming altogether for about a year before going on Streammate just to make a bit of extra money while I save up for a new camera (Normally I am a model who cams on the side but am currently going through equipment upgrades)
I used to set my rates high on SM and ended up spending half the night online and doing a lot of talking, I got tired, I got bored.
My day is spent taking photo's and shooting video's from 10am until 4pm,(I do model work for 6 different fetish sites) then I sit down to edit, make a quick dinner, get some light cleaning done while editing/uploading/e-mailing contacts until right around 8pm at which point I get a shower, set up my cam area and get online from around 9pm until 1am, Ive got my goal, and I got the next few hours to relax before going to bed, waking up and starting all over again.
How I make my goal in such a short amount of time, I often have about 4-6 people at a time watching me in private, each one is paying 1.99 to watch so 1.99 x say 6 people= 11.94 per minute, at 35% that means my take is 3.85 a minute for most private shows and on stream mate my paid percentage time is pretty consistent around 65%
plus being private and not exclusive I decide what I am doing, how long I am doing it for and can switch things up without having to outright take specific requests.
Who knows, maybe I could be making way more upping my rates, but I just do not have the time right now to hang out online half the night.
I am happy with what I am doing and yes, I understand encouraging girls to up the rates, to remember they are worth more, but I don't have an issue feeling like "I am not worth it"
trust me, I take on porn site owners and have dropped plenty for not paying me what I deserve ;)
But, I am happy with my system and I hope if other girls are not happy with theirs to try something new.
Snowy0Star
08-27-2016, 05:07 PM
Basically you actually make more per minute at $1.99 then someone charging $5.99 a min because multiple people take you pvt at the same time . I'd like to know how you achieved this if you did something special or was it ur built in fame from being on KL ?
Kitcatt
08-27-2016, 05:36 PM
Yeah I always think it depends on the model and your audience, and THANK YOU Sweetie for mentioning the peeper thing. I get serial 30 second offenders, but some people do pop in, don't like, say a blow job show, and come back later for masturbation, so, there's that.
I don't tend to get lots of multiple members in pvt chat, maybe 3 or 4 tops, no matter what my price is, so I generally just charge more in hopes of making up the difference in the money some people make in potential multiples. That said, I've never even tried the $10 and up prices because I'm concerned about alienating a pretty loyal fan base for excl fetish, which is, lets be honest, a shit ton less taxing on the body then a fuck show. I know they might pay more but, eh, I make pretty good money, so....maybe right before I retire I'll max out my prices.
justanothercamgirl
08-27-2016, 06:23 PM
Ahem. My self-esteem is fine. I feel sexy, hot, and wanted. But no, I don't think of myself as a 5 star hotel. And no, I don't do extreme shows or aim to go viral. I'm pretty fucking low profile, if I told anyone my cam name, about 2 of you would know who I am. I do not need high rates to know that I am a goddess. I make the money I want to make, the way I want to make it.
It bothers me when camgirls blame cheap prices of other girls for their own drop in income. It also bothers me when girls are struggling to make money that "raise your rates" is the only advice given. I did that, and almost had to leave an industry I love. I did the math, and this works for me.
I am not cheap. I price my services to the demographic I am aiming for. I do the shows I want, I turn down the ones I don't want, I know my limit and I play within it. I am happy, I love what I do, and I charge less than you. That doesn't mean I don't love myself. My rate is not connected to my worth.
I think that Bootsie brings up a very important distinction between 'being cheap with your business because you don't know better' and 'being knowledgeable about what works for you personally in your business'
If someone has taken the time to sit down and take a good, hard, look at their own work-style and have analyzed and played with their hourly price that that isn't being cheap....that is just good business sense.
xBaby_Dollx
08-27-2016, 06:36 PM
Basically you actually make more per minute at $1.99 then someone charging $5.99 a min because multiple people take you pvt at the same time . I'd like to know how you achieved this if you did something special or was it ur built in fame from being on KL ?
I do get recognized quite a bit for my modeling work on fetish sites as well as my video's
But, most of the fetish work I do is not allowed on SM so only about a handful of my fans actually stick around.
To be honest, I don't know why. My body is not the greatest, I have cellulite, could stand to loose about 20 pounds, have bad teeth, I am almost 30, and am covered in scars
(For any girls doubting her own looks-trust me honey, I may be a model, but it's all about how you work it)
But, I am very polite and try to be helpful to everyone who comes in.
I am polite no matter what anyone is asking to see, if i don't do it I try to offer a name of a girl who does
"Do you use huge toys?"
"Aww man, sorry i don't, but you know who is great and uses huge toys? ___model does she is awesome! You should go check her out and tell me how the show was!"
As, I personally am a cam customer too, more to chat one on one with other cam girls, I like to tip for silly things that they might enjoy doing
I haven't been able to hang out with other girls recently due to a change in schedule and miss it very much, but I liked getting offline and hanging out with other girls just to chat, tip them 5$ or 10$ to show me a new outfit they got, or to do a funny voice impression they are good at doing,etc.
or, for example
"Are you into incest role play?"
"You know, I would love to be able to do this role play with you! It sounds like it would be great fun, but this site wont allow it, super LAME I know, but I hope you can find what your looking for and have a great night!"
Even if it is stuff that makes me cringe, I smile, ask them to talk about it or describe it too me and then wish them luck in finding it.
Because, if you ask them to talk about it
#1. You are getting THEM to get themselves even more hot n bothered without doing anything
#2.If you pay attention, you can sometimes offer compromises.(and gain a new customer)
Let's say someone wants to see you pee on cam, if you can squirt instead offer that
if they want a bro/sis role play being the submissive party, offer a similar dom/sub role
Say for example
"I can't do the bro/sis but what about super close friends and i can call you by your personal nick name that your family calls you and we can pretend that we are hooking up at your parents while they are not home"
I like to compromise, offer solutions, work with people and make them feel like more then just my "cash cow"
Guys who complain are ignored while I chat up other people (mostly because I do not have time to argue with them because I have too many customers)
Also because of being so busy, people who are interested and wanting to ask me if i do something specific generally have to take me exclusive in order to ask, so I am getting paid just to answer weather i am willing or able to do a show with them.
Marina Starr
08-27-2016, 06:55 PM
DEAD, I am HOLLERING!!! True dat, true dat!
http://i65.tinypic.com/30swtfk.gif
It is a sad fact but, "Rich men don't want no dollar ho."
laurielegs
08-27-2016, 07:00 PM
I decided to experiment with 1.99 "happy hour" just now and didn't really work well for me. Made around $12 less per hour and i'm worn completely out. I wasn't quite as energetic with my privates as when charging 5.99/9.99 but still it did tire me out pretty bad.
I do wish it would work for me but I guess I don't attract enough traffic for the multiple viewers. Most I had was like 3 and one would usually leave so it didn't add up.
Genoveve
08-27-2016, 07:15 PM
It bothers me when camgirls blame cheap prices of other girls for their own drop in income. It also bothers me when girls are struggling to make money that "raise your rates" is the only advice given...........I did the math, and this works for me.
I agree. If having high rates automatically equaled higher income like people seem to think then everyone would be at 9.99/12.99. But it doesn't work like that, there's a lot more to it. And while there are plenty of whales who can and do have no problem spending a grip on camgirls there's also plenty of guys who cannot and have no choice but to work with a smaller budget, do guys with a smaller budget not deserve to see camgirls? Girls say things like 'I am a Maserati not a Toyota,' which is fine, but does that mean the Toyota company is shameful and should be done away with and Maserati should be the only car brand available? No, because not everyone wants or can afford Maseratis. It would make no sense.
I've always been a big believer of 'different strokes for different folks.' Diff things work for diff people.
xBaby_Dollx
08-27-2016, 07:39 PM
I agree. If having high rates automatically equaled higher income like people seem to think then everyone would be at 9.99/12.99. But it doesn't work like that, there's a lot more to it. And while there are plenty of whales who can and do have no problem spending a grip on camgirls there's also plenty of guys who cannot and have no choice but to work with a smaller budget, do guys with a smaller budget not deserve to see camgirls? Girls say things like 'I am a Maserati not a Toyota,' which is fine, but does that mean the Toyota company is shameful and should be done away with and Maserati should be the only car brand available? No, because not everyone wants or can afford Maseratis. It would make no sense.
I've always been a big believer of 'different strokes for different folks.' Diff things work for diff people.
EXACTLY!!
Also, I would like to note that, when I was on KL, I had a regular who was thee SWEETEST most polite and awesome regular ever, but he only worked as a salesman and made just above minimum wage
and was going to college.
He was on a budget, some nights he would come into fee chat just to keep me company when he didn't have the cash, other nights when he had a good week he would spend it tipping me and buying shows.
He was always a joy to see, with or without the tips, he never asked or implied freebies, he was never rude or demanding and our sessions were always super fun and I always made sure when he was able to afford shows to do my very best because of how awesome he was.
He also brought me a lot of business from chatting on fetish forums with like-minded fetishist.
We became friends and we would chat over skype just to chat and when we did he never flirted or asked to see me naked or anything like that.
We would talk about video games, our relationships, his job, our parents, holidays,etc.
He got married this past year and I was the first he told because he was so excited and I was so excited for him.
Don't knock the average joe, the working class dudes
We are all people just looking to enjoy ourselves.
Plus, There are only so many "rich" men to go around and odd's are, You'r not the only "10" girl working the cam sites trying for his attention.
Nothing wrong thinking highly of yourself and knowing you deserve better.
but it's pretty rude to believe that because someone doesn't have or doesn't want to throw hundreds at you that he is "scum" and doesn't deserve to be there.
hyori
08-27-2016, 07:53 PM
I love all the discussion here!
The majority of the population is middle income so of course you want that demographic. You want to put out a product that has value so that you are perceived as a luxury product but priced just right. For me $1.99 won't work especially since I have invested so much in my own brand and marketing. Since I am going for the highballers, I need to make sure I am seen as a high end product. I cam with a $2K camera with an expensive high end camera lens. I also have a killer desktop. I made sure my surroundings are also just as high end as my equipment. I feel justified pricing myself on the higher end and it's not just because I think I'm personally worth it but also because of the overhead that I have invested in to make sure my customers are getting the very best experience.
Charge what you feel is right for you and go after the customer you want. I've found my niche.
I make on average $100 an hour sometimes more but rarely less. I only cam 2-3 hours a day on up to 4 different sites and during daytime hours, (which I've been told are the slowest hours). If you would like to see my average earnings feel free to PM me.
Snowy0Star
08-27-2016, 08:20 PM
is the $2K camera a camcorder or a webcam 0.o
IvyAdams
08-27-2016, 10:27 PM
EXACTLY!!
Don't knock the average joe, the working class dudes
We are all people just looking to enjoy ourselves.
Plus, There are only so many "rich" men to go around and odd's are, You'r not the only "10" girl working the cam sites trying for his attention.
Nothing wrong thinking highly of yourself and knowing you deserve better.
but it's pretty rude to believe that because someone doesn't have or doesn't want to throw hundreds at you that he is "scum" and doesn't deserve to be there.
Did someone actually call them scum? :O
I totally agree not to discount the average joe. I personally have my prices high, I always have and it has always worked for me. My sweet spot seems to be around the 8.99/10.99 area. That being said, I use my gold shows for the customers that come in and can't afford my private/exclusive rates. I also have an extreme hang out vibe and play lots of games where they can win things in free chat so everyone can still have a good time. Most of my room are filled with regulars who have never done a one on one with me, they hang out and tip in free chat and tip into gold shows when I decide to do them. They are there for the interaction, and then when my guys come in who can afford exclusive and privates, I double my income by appealing to both.
Off the site, I spend HOURS a day interacting with people who will never be able to afford a private show with me. But I can attest to the fact that they amount to thousands of dollars a week in passive income through snapchat and videos. Was anybody ever arguing that they had no worth? Maybe I missed a post or two somewhere...
Anyway, I'm not sure if any of that statement was directed at my earlier post, but JUST INCASE it was.... that statement couldn't be further off the mark of how I treat my clientele. Don't assume because some of us project ourselves as a luxury service and gave our reasons for why we do so, that it means we treat everyone else like shit. People are allowed to have differing viewpoints on here without meaning it in a derogatory way towards the other side.
... if that wasn't meant towards my post, I take back my mini rant :D
sexysusie
08-27-2016, 10:47 PM
I think she made it pretty clear why she has the hustle she does, and she's clearly rocking it.
Some people just prefer to be busy. It keeps them going. Sitting in free chat waiting for someone to take you private at a higher rate gets tiring and boring and then you may lose your momentum.
Not to mention, when you say "Why not just work another site that pays more?" -- you're not taking into consideration all the existing customers/favorites that a person already has on their current site. You can't just hop onto a higher paying site as a newbie and expect the same kind of traffic/frequency of shows right away. And if you're suggesting to go indie to get a significantly higher cut, that's a huge endeavor in terms of marketing/advertising and getting traffic.
ETA: I feel like saying "you're working so much harder than you have to" is kind of insulting. I admire people who work hard. I also admire people who work smart, and I honestly think she's doing both with the way she can successfully hustle that many people in one private. My guess is she's actually making a lot more than some of you ladies who insist on charging higher rates.
Why do you assume higher rates means more time out of paid? For me personally I spend roughly the same time in paid regardless of my rates, so it makes far more sense to charge more. This whole 'I'm happy with charging less' is so effing BORING. Why limit yourself. Reach for the fucking stars!
Glamourmilf
08-28-2016, 07:31 AM
. I averaged anywhere from $45-75 an hour, but usually on the lower end of that. I bumped my rates down two bucks, and now I average $70-110/hour. I have also found that with lower rates, I get more consistent shows, which I prefer. I get de-motivated when I have one really amazing hour followed by a completely dead hour, which happened more frequently when my rates were higher. Lately I've been getting nearly back to back shows --- and I love it. When guys see that I'm busy, it assures them that I'm worth paying for and that my show is so good that I can't even stay in free chat. So they join me as soon as they get a chance. It's the opposite effect when I sit there for long periods of time with no shows.
This. This entire thread is subjective, so, naturally we all have different opinions on what works for us as individuals.
I price my shows on the average age of my customers. They are between 18- 25.
So, when my rates are on the higher side, I lose them, because a lot of them are still in college, with very little disposal income.
Now, if my demographic were men over 50, ( like it is with sugaring), the sky is the limit.
I love to be busy when I'm on cam. Nothing wears me down in a show. But sitting in free chat, or on token sites when nobody is tipping, is the kiss of death for my energy.
Besides, money comes to money, meaning, that when I'm busy in shows, I'm usually always in shows.
Why? I think it was
Kortney K who said it best, "Men LOVE popular pussy." Meow