Log in

View Full Version : Cammodel Rates, What Should I Charge?



Pages : 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 [14] 15

SoloDesire
08-28-2016, 08:42 AM
Personally, I've experimented with low rates down to $1.99 and it never gets me more shows. All I get with prices that low are idiots and assholes...and STILL peepers! I come out broke and bitter charging such low rates. Unfortunately Streamate (and all cam sites) are riddled with guys who have no intention to pay anything at all, not even dirt low prices (which is why GOLD Shows are still so hard to get going). According to my Rate Analysis chart I make the most money when my rates are high (around $6.99/$7.99). Maybe I'm just lucky that I don't have to settle for doing cheap shows for ungrateful guys to make my money...maybe it's because I enjoy performing when I'm charging my worth and that's why I earn more...maybe it's because I become bitter and jaded when I'm charging low prices and guys STILL beg for freebies or are ungrateful for the show they are getting for that price. For whatever reason, my rates work for me. And I feel we need to be confident in whatever price we're charging in order to make good money at those rates. If you feel good about charging $1.99 then charge $1.99! If you feel good about charging $9.99 then charge $9.99! I don't think anyone is telling anyone else what they should be charging...just be confident and feel good about it and you will bring in the cash! Charge what makes you the most money in the end.

No one seemed to really get my original post when I revived this thread though. I was hoping we'd start focusing less on per minute price and focus more on what we're giving away immediately in our shows. How long does it take before you're fully nude? How long does it take before you're masturbating? Are you drawing out the tease? Are you making them pay a fair price or are you giving it ALL to them for less than $10 out of their pocket? Since I started stretching out my shows I've noticed an increase in earnings because, unless they are extremely cheap, they WILL stay long enough to see what they came to see within fair reason. I'm working on making my shows longer and trying to rid myself of the 1-2-3 minute men. Those short shows are frustrating and I'm tired of them!

anonymous camgirl
08-28-2016, 10:24 AM
So what are you charging for this 18-25 demographic? that's pretty much the same for me.. but sometimes with health issues I want to charge more so I don't have to do as much work.. yesterday I experimented a bit between the 4.99/5.99 range for premium chat.. I was charging $7.99.. did I like making less money for more work.. not really.. but I did more paid time online yesterday also.. What are your rates? that you do well on?


This. This entire thread is subjective, so, naturally we all have different opinions on what works for us as individuals.
I price my shows on the average age of my customers. They are between 18- 25.
So, when my rates are on the higher side, I lose them, because a lot of them are still in college, with very little disposal income.
Now, if my demographic were men over 50, ( like it is with sugaring), the sky is the limit.
I love to be busy when I'm on cam. Nothing wears me down in a show. But sitting in free chat, or on token sites when nobody is tipping, is the kiss of death for my energy.
Besides, money comes to money, meaning, that when I'm busy in shows, I'm usually always in shows.
Why? I think it was
Kortney K who said it best, "Men LOVE popular pussy." Meow

Genoveve
08-28-2016, 11:34 AM
For me personally I spend roughly the same time in paid regardless of my rates, so it makes far more sense to charge more.

Yes, it's true for you personally. But that is not true for everyone.

CocoaBunni
08-28-2016, 02:58 PM
Personally, I've experimented with low rates down to $1.99 and it never gets me more shows. All I get with prices that low are idiots and assholes...and STILL peepers! I come out broke and bitter charging such low rates. Unfortunately Streamate (and all cam sites) are riddled with guys who have no intention to pay anything at all, not even dirt low prices (which is why GOLD Shows are still so hard to get going). According to my Rate Analysis chart I make the most money when my rates are high (around $6.99/$7.99). Maybe I'm just lucky that I don't have to settle for doing cheap shows for ungrateful guys to make my money...maybe it's because I enjoy performing when I'm charging my worth and that's why I earn more...maybe it's because I become bitter and jaded when I'm charging low prices and guys STILL beg for freebies or are ungrateful for the show they are getting for that price. For whatever reason, my rates work for me. And I feel we need to be confident in whatever price we're charging in order to make good money at those rates. If you feel good about charging $1.99 then charge $1.99! If you feel good about charging $9.99 then charge $9.99! I don't think anyone is telling anyone else what they should be charging...just be confident and feel good about it and you will bring in the cash! Charge what makes you the most money in the end.

No one seemed to really get my original post when I revived this thread though. I was hoping we'd start focusing less on per minute price and focus more on what we're giving away immediately in our shows. How long does it take before you're fully nude? How long does it take before you're masturbating? Are you drawing out the tease? Are you making them pay a fair price or are you giving it ALL to them for less than $10 out of their pocket? Since I started stretching out my shows I've noticed an increase in earnings because, unless they are extremely cheap, they WILL stay long enough to see what they came to see within fair reason. I'm working on making my shows longer and trying to rid myself of the 1-2-3 minute men. Those short shows are frustrating and I'm tired of them!

About how long do you tease before you start the show? Sometimes I have quite a few guys that literally seem like they come for the tease. Once they see the bits they are all done and saying thank you. I don't want to drag it out to long and risk them getting mad or something though, ya know?

Glamourmilf
08-28-2016, 03:30 PM
So what are you charging for this 18-25 demographic? that's pretty much the same for me.. but sometimes with health issues I want to charge more so I don't have to do as much work.. yesterday I experimented a bit between the 4.99/5.99 range for premium chat.. I was charging $7.99.. did I like making less money for more work.. not really.. but I did more paid time online yesterday also.. What are your rates? that you do well on?

Babe, it really doesn't matter what I charge.
Our hustles are so opposite, they're not even in the same stratosphere.

SoloDesire
08-28-2016, 03:36 PM
About how long do you tease before you start the show? Sometimes I have quite a few guys that literally seem like they come for the tease. Once they see the bits they are all done and saying thank you. I don't want to drag it out to long and risk them getting mad or something though, ya know?

Personally I take at least 5 minutes before I'm totally nude. I just tease with each body part (ass, legs, stomach, tits, pussy in panties) and drag out the suspense. I take my top off around 2 or 3 minutes. I give them enough to keep them turned on without having to drop all my clothes immediately. I don't even spread my pussy until the 6 or 7 minute mark. If they stay that long then I really turn up the heat. Exclusive shows I move much quicker if they are asking for certain things. They get to control the show when they're paying my exclusive rate. Move at a pace you're comfortable with and it gets easier to stretch it out longer as you get better at the tease.

Halo88
08-28-2016, 04:07 PM
Anyhow, the idea was that you divide your day into three parts, whether by time or money goal is up to you. Then your rates increase for each third of the day.

Part one is ideally a rate that is low enough that you do pretty brisk business, and guys feel that they're getting an early bird special of some kind. It shouldn't be so low that you feel uncomfortable with charging too little, overwork yourself, or have a bunch of "3 dildos in ass and fist pussy bb?" guys. It's a fine line to walk, but you can adjust from day to day until you find a sweet spot.
The benefit of part one is that you get a lot of shows while you're energetic at the beginning, and you gain momentum right off the bat. You'll also have the chance to get some money out of the guys that aren't total cheapos, but can't quite afford your standard rates.

Part two is your normal rates. The amount of shows should still be pretty steady, but not as high as before. This is the time for middle of the road spenders.

Part three is for higher rates, and it's a good time to test out rates that you aren't sure anyone will pay. The amount of shows should decrease quite a bit, but since you worked hard earlier, that's probably a relief. It's the time for slowing down and catching whales.

The plan works best if you have a consistent schedule. Over time, guys that want/need lower rates will learn to show up earlier in your shift and keep you busy during the first third of the day. Whales that want you all to themselves will learn to wait and catch you later in your shift, when you aren't in and out of private the whole time, and they don't have to scramble to get an exclusive with you.

I did something like this before and forgot about it until reading your post! I had good results, so I think I will give it another try.

RubyPhoenix
08-28-2016, 10:27 PM
Coincidentally, I was reading this thread while I was shaking my ass on cam and another model came in and called me greedy. I told her, ' No, I just know my worth, hunny." and banned her. Who does that??

Chellyinparadise
08-28-2016, 10:49 PM
Im one of the ones who has lower rates than some others but i also like others have had a good experience with it and i stay busy constantly majority of the time. I just prefer to be busy rather than sit but this is just my preference and i have experimented with higher rates but found my sweet spot so to speak for me and whats works best for me. I just prefer to do it this way and i get alot of men who are repeat customers with my price range. I have just found what works for me and stick with it, i am happy with where i am at and i am able to make my daily and weekly goal majority of the time. I dont knock anyone who charges higher thats awesome, but i found that it works the opposite for me and im happy at the end of the night with what i make and as long as i make my goals im good. I say do what works best for you and what makes you happy.

KatM
08-29-2016, 02:30 AM
My rates are medium on SM cause that's what people are willing to pay ME, if i increase them they stop taking me pvt/excl and i am not a gold show model to compensate for the loss of income so yeah, i stay at $3.99 pvt/$5.99 excl.

People talk alot about working with high rates in here but do u guys not take into consideration the very cheap gold shows or even the zero gold shows? The models offering them have a different hustle and for them it's working to do cheap or zero gs's & some of them even bank doing these shows so realistically means high rates are not the only way....

someoldnoob
08-29-2016, 02:45 AM
When I first started camming, I didn't even realize what my rates were because I was with a studio that guaranteed a certain amount per hour of paid chat. Now I realize how screwed I was out of a decent and well-deserved rate for popularity at the time. It ended up being less than 80 per hour. The upside was that shows during this time were before gold was introduced, so I was in shows quite often, and long ones... My average per day ended up being similar if not more than what I was earning as a stripper at the time, so I wasn't really complaining. Now that I know better, I'm kind of pissed, but also left to deal with that lingering consequential "what if" you know? Lower rates for my popularity at the time worked when I didn't know I could raise them and guys would pay them, but also traffic was a lot different then. I guess it really depends on too many factors to give any definitive yes or no from anyone on here.. You really have to experiment but also just educate yourself (perusing these forums should help a LOT!) and check the rate analysis on SM if you're on there and those kinds of tools that are available to you. I didn't utilize those tools because I didn't understand them... I use the rate analysis on SM to figure out where I get the most Exclusive shows since I don't have gold shows either.. I hate premium and only stay in it for longer than 10 minutes when multiple guys come through and take over the show from one another when I'm lucky where as back in the day, it was never a problem, so I don't like premium sessions unless I'm offering discounts that week for marketing (I keep premium higher than exclusive by multiple dollars)

Good luck, and I hope you find what works best for you. These forums have the best insight and definitely take what you can from them!


EDIT: I should add, I tend to compare camming and strip clubs only for analogous purposes here, so please just stick with me here... I use to work at clubs where dances were $20-$40 for the same no contact dance I would perform at another club a few years later post-recession where they started at $5. $5 fucking dances. $5 for 3-3.5 minute songs. The clubs where dances cost more, I was earning LESS than when I worked at the club (and yes, as the new girls, but also consistent hours and schedule and work ethic) with $5 per dance. I was actually earning double at the $5 club than the $20 and definitely more than the $40 ones because I was busier more consistently and guys were more willing to tip on top of the base price. I've noticed a similar trend with camming and rates, but also because I don't have gold shows, to upsell blocks of time to make up for it. The block of time might fuck me over if the guy were going to purchase 30 straight minutes of my minute rate, but at least after they blow their load, I get the 30 minute rate regardless. Same with guys at the club who might have $500 to spend on the hour with you, but only do spend that when they think they're getting a discount (and usually, they are, but at least you know you're getting the full $500 instead of $120 knowing damn well he would have spent the rest in an extended show...see where I'm going with this?) A higher per minute doesn't always equate more money and a lower rate doesn't always equate more per shift, it just depends on what you want out of your work experience on a more consistent basis, perhaps?
Hope I wasn't rambling, just trying to offer some more experience chat etc

Chellyinparadise
08-29-2016, 10:48 AM
Ivyadams you seem so sweet love reading your posts and you made a great point as well in your post about the men who tip into gold shows and in free chat, i myself have many men who do just that they tend to enjoy that more than pvts. I dont do alot of gold shows as i prefer to do more pvts and exclusives but i agree with the goldshows they can be very lucrative because for some men thats all they can afford. When i do gold shows i tend to get quite a few who become my biggest spenders in exclusive. In my experience i have gained quite a few money men who now only do exclusives where as they did gold shows only. I am like you i try to offer as much as i can to appeal to many different men with different price ranges because not everyone can afford alot. In my experience majority of men have a budget and can only spend so much so i try to sell each and every one who comes in. I like your style offering so much more. I love the diversity of it all, and this forum is amazing with all the knowledge and input each and every one of you give. Thanks to you all i love reading what others say. Hope you all find what works best for you and you maximize your earnings no matter how you decide to do it, i love that everyone is different and each persons hustle is different thats what makes each and everyone of you amazing regardless of your prices. Find what you think is best for you and make what you think you deserve.I know my self worth and it isnt based upon my per min rate. I am quality at whatever rate i decide to charge and so are each and everyone of you. I wish everyone the best in whatever you decide to charge.

MadamDragon
08-29-2016, 11:03 AM
You've brought up a very important point here that we can forget at times. We have to remember the cost of running our business and getting a good return on investment.

The equipment, upgrades to the computer, bills for the high-speed internet (things we otherwise wouldn't spend on) along with the outfits, makeup etc.. And there's the time and energy we put in outside the actual camming (social media marketing etc) all have to be calculated when working out the minute rates.




I love all the discussion here!

The majority of the population is middle income so of course you want that demographic. You want to put out a product that has value so that you are perceived as a luxury product but priced just right. For me $1.99 won't work especially since I have invested so much in my own brand and marketing. Since I am going for the highballers, I need to make sure I am seen as a high end product. I cam with a $2K camera with an expensive high end camera lens. I also have a killer desktop. I made sure my surroundings are also just as high end as my equipment. I feel justified pricing myself on the higher end and it's not just because I think I'm personally worth it but also because of the overhead that I have invested in to make sure my customers are getting the very best experience.

Charge what you feel is right for you and go after the customer you want. I've found my niche.

I make on average $100 an hour sometimes more but rarely less. I only cam 2-3 hours a day on up to 4 different sites and during daytime hours, (which I've been told are the slowest hours). If you would like to see my average earnings feel free to PM me.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-29-2016, 11:16 AM
No matter where you stand on the issue..at the end of the day we're all making more than them civilian hating ass hoes, so who cares? #bossbitchesunite

http://data.whicdn.com/images/223357250/original.gif

Chellyinparadise
08-29-2016, 11:23 AM
No matter where you stand on the issue..at the end of the day we're all making more than them civilian hating ass hoes, so who cares? #bossbitchesunite

http://data.whicdn.com/images/223357250/original.gif

I love that!!! so true.

xxxluv
08-29-2016, 12:41 PM
Not sure how I missed this thread.

But here is my Essay of an input

While everyone has their own strategy, business plan, goals etc
There is a huge difference in being cheap and being inexpensive.

Adult work should never be cheap it is a privilege to indulge with Cam models and its Free 99 to masterbate alone.

Some of the same guys who want to make a deal with you, complain about your prices, etc are the same guys who go to the store just fine and buy things. I doubt they ask can I get this for half today????

I work it all Token sites, Indy private, phone, sexting, clips/vids, selling panties, virtual gfe etc.

When one is slow, I may focus on the other or advertise more about the one that is slow, brainstorm on more ideas to pick it up.
But I do not lower prices for the sake of maybe its to high.
I never think that, my thoughts are how do I get the people who have no problem paying for what offer to actually purchase (usually means they just need to see me or here what im offering)

Prime example last week and half has been slow on my token sites.
Was I going to lower my prices heck no! I just tweaked my strategy a bit.
I ended up spending less time online and focused on my pso (which was crazy good) sold more snaps. Was only taking indy shows.Regulars and barely spenders reached out to me often. On my snap and twitter I mentioned where they could find me.
I offered incentives for offline tips as well.

I made my goals most days and then some.



My business plan, "hustle" so to speak is that this is not a part time, seasonal job , it is my business. I invest in it financially, mentally and physically and expect a high return.

I understand while try outers, or occasional cam ladies may not get the jist of as a whole charging a beneficial rate. They want to come in make some "quick" money (relatively speaking).

Full timers, career cam ladies I beg to differ in a low ball rate. It is definitely your choice to charge whatever you see fit. But if every single cam ladies rate average a certain let's say "status quo" the I could get a show for some low ball price elsewhere would be insubstantial.

It reminds me of when I used to dance and had to compete with the "extra" girls, when I first started I thought how can I compete with someone doing any and everything for $50- $100 and I'm trying to sell $10-$25 dances. So, I did not compete, I focused on making my money and focus on the clients who came there for not just the one dance but an experience so to speak I ended up raising my dance prices from the club's and still did great.

Regardless of what the next person is charging. I charge what I am comfortable with. It also goes in line with my branding when I make certain "expensive items" available.

I also have the set up as most businesses.
I have a rate where it is not technically my lowest rate I would accept. So when I want to offer discounts, specials etc it is not so much as a discount on my end.

IvyAdams
08-29-2016, 01:11 PM
my business plan, "hustle" so to speak is that this is not a part time, seasonal job , it is my business. I invest in it financially, mentally and physically and expect a high return.


#preach

justanothercamgirl
08-29-2016, 01:41 PM
The debate on whether 'Quality vs Quantity' is 'better' has been going on in the business world since time immemorial, it definitely isn't reserved to the world of cam girls. ;)

The reason the debate is still going on is because both tactics are completely valid.

Which is 'best' for you simply boils down to personal choice.

sexysusie
08-29-2016, 03:29 PM
But this discussion was posted to advise girls to stop being cheap in PRICE, because it cheapens our industry. Doesn't matter how 'high quality' you think you are, if you're charging cheap prices they are still cheap. You could start a "please stop being so expensive" thread, but i don't think it would have the same impact.. except for the cheap guys, who would love it ;)

theharlot
08-29-2016, 03:48 PM
Experimenting with this again. The first time I raised my rates I actually experienced even more guys coming into my chat and taking me to pvt. I've since lowered my rates since I haven't been showing my face for a long time but I have nothing to lose as I'm in a very stable position in my life so I'll raise them again and see how it goes! High rates are so gratifying. Will not be jumping to any conclusions until I've also revamped my profile however... That's long overdue and will draw new attention.

justanothercamgirl
08-29-2016, 03:57 PM
My humble opinion is that I think the miscommunication problem that is occurring in this thread is that its original intent and its revival came from two different 'specific' viewpoints and two different periods of time even though it is all held together by one generalized and overall idea.

Its original intent was to ask camgirls to sit down and analyze why it is that they charge what they charge. Is it because they believe themselves to not be worth it at a self-confidence level or is it from a point of 'good business'?

Its revival from the dead was to ask camgirls to sit down and analyze their camshows instead of their rates and to ask them if they are thinking about them from a place of 'good business' or if they are just rushing through them lack of self-confidence in their own skill level.

Some people are answering the question from the past, some people are answer the present question and some of us are just overjoyed to see people asking such great questions. ;)

Teddy_Bear
08-29-2016, 04:03 PM
^^^ I agree. Don't let this thread devolve into a back-and-forth bitch-fest please because I personally love reading about different prices/hustles working for different ladies, don't forget each and every one of us is unique and that is why the guys love us, the world would be boring if we were all the same!

I'm in the expensive camp but only because they work for me, another lady could have my rates and do worse or even better than me as I stated before just because I am on the more expensive side does not make me a great camgirl, my personality is what has brought me my success not high rates.

hyori
08-29-2016, 04:31 PM
If you are going to price yourself low you really need to have the backbone to put up with the ratchet customers. Same with charging high. The thing is if I'm going to get bullshit and trolling, I may as well charge high.

Slowing your show down while charging low will make some guys leave a bad rating. Instead, just tell them your rates are high because you get right to business, there is no stalling. I respect their needs and budget and I don't have to be manipulative. Guys come fast when they masturbate, that's just the way they are built. Unless they are asking for an edging show, I get right to the meat and potatoes. Men equate more money with better quality. Men will pay outrageous amounts of money for rare collectibles, cars, car parts, sports memorabilia, name brand clothing etc., regardless of how much they make themselves. These are all things that are luxury items. Porn is luxury is it not? Men love sex. They need to respect it just as much as their rare collectibles, cigars, scotch etc.

Chellyinparadise
08-29-2016, 04:32 PM
Well said sweetie i agree completely.

Genoveve
08-29-2016, 05:52 PM
But this discussion was posted to advise girls to stop being cheap in PRICE, because it cheapens our industry. Doesn't matter how 'high quality' you think you are, if you're charging cheap prices they are still cheap.

But if you are doing well--consistently staying busy with high quality customers and making more money the higher your rates are--are the lower-priced girls really cheapening the industry? It doesn't sound like they are negatively impacting business at all.

Different girls are going to have different price points for a variety of different reasons, I don't think it makes sense to tell total strangers what they should be charging. Different types camgirls are going to have different types of customer bases. Not every girl is going to do well at 9.99/min for a variety of reasons and not every customer is going to be able to spend 9.99/min for a variety of reasons. If all camgirls raised their rates to 9.99/min I don't think they're all magically going to triple their income, and I do think a whole demographic of customers would vanish.

hyori
08-29-2016, 06:10 PM
Token sites are a completely different hustle. Plus, the percentage is higher for earnings. It is no different from doing zero dollar gold shows yet on token sites a model makes 50 percent or more of token earnings. So then why are girls doing zero dollar gold shows on SM? I don't know.

I admit I do better on token sites on most days and yes, I do public cum shows but hey I get 50% for a very short amount of time. As long as I'm making at least $100 an hour I feel perfectly valued. At a strip club men can see a performer giving lap dances to some paying customer but it's not considered a free show if they are watching as a spectator from the side. Hence, the difference in my mind and why I can justify token sites.

On a site like SM that takes 65-70 percent of my earnings that are limited to a small audience you can bet I charge much higher for my time and one to one attention. On token sites it's all about community appeal. If I'm going to appeal to a vast audience I better get a much higher percentage.

Also, being popular on token sites works to your advantage for private/true private shows. Again, higher percentage for the privates as well that give a nice per minute rate and percentage. Plus, models are free to have pre show charges, prepay for Skype shows etc. on MFC. SM and any other site would suspend you.

Genoveve
08-29-2016, 06:32 PM
Men will pay outrageous amounts of money for rare collectibles, cars, car parts, sports memorabilia, name brand clothing etc., regardless of how much they make themselves. These are all things that are luxury items. Porn is luxury is it not? Men love sex. They need to respect it just as much as their rare collectibles, cigars, scotch etc.

Yes, some men will, but not every cam customer has the potential to be a top-tier customer. Like I get the point of marketing yourself for and only wanting to deal with top-tier customers, but there's still tons of 'non-luxury' customers out there. Again I feel like that's saying only luxury car brands should exist when many people cannot afford or do not want to spend a grip on luxury cars. Not every car buyer is going to be a Ferrari buyer. In a perfect world maybe we would all be driving around in Ferraris lol but that wouldn't make sense economically.

hyori
08-29-2016, 06:40 PM
^^ Of course! There are customers for all models. That's the great thing about camming. The thing is, anyone can afford me, they just won't get me for very long. They can buy flashes. In the end, it's my time that these guys are buying. Time is something that you can never get back from your customer. If I make efficient use of my time, I get to have a wonderful life driving around in my Ferrari.

Chellyinparadise
08-29-2016, 06:45 PM
I agree.I wish that could be the case where men would pay the high rates all the time but the reality is that majority of men cant and there are alot of them who will spend what little that they do have on us, granted im sure there are many men who do have alot to spend but those are rare in my room most have a budget and im happy to take what they can offer to give me. So i do what i can to get the sale because those men can and do add up and i give them a quality show but dont sell myself short either to get a sale. I believe that quality can be acheived with either rate. But again this is just my preference and experience, being in the industry for about 10 yrs it has changed alot. But i admire the ones who can charge higher rates and do well, for me it just doesnt work to stay busy. I love though the inspiration to raise prices there is nothing wrong with that as long as you can make what youre happy with at the end of the day. Good luck ladies hope everyone makes what they want and is happy as i said before.

heyho
08-29-2016, 07:12 PM
Guys, I think it's actually healthier for a cam site to have a variety of prices rather than skew high-end. If everyone's cheap like on Bonga, yeah the demanding assholes will congregate, but think what would happen if everyone on SM for instance started charging 6.99 and up. SM would be known as the expensive rip-off site, and that would be an absolute death knell for us. No man wants to feel like he's being ripped off, especially with SO MUCH free porn out there. (Plus on token sites non-tippers can easily get a free show with the illusion of IRL interaction!)

We don't want to push custies away from us. We don't want them to think, "Bleh all those chicks are charging $100 + an internal organ for a single cum these days, love the concept but no." We want them to come in with their mind brains eagerly looking for a reasonably-priced interactive wank, find one of us hotties priced at $6.99, and get suddenly dick-brainwashed thinking, "Heck it's more than I wanted to spend but she's so damn hot, I'm gonna treat myself!" Yaaaaass. Come in, Regular Joes, come the fuck in.

Cammers should value themselves and charge whatever makes them happy. For some, earning multiple dollas per minute is what she needs to feel enthused and pumped about her job and give the best possible experience to her custies, building a hustle where she sits in free longer but gets rained on by her high-tier regs. For others, charging less so they're in and out of private all the time makes them feel more energised and entertained at work, and freechat really fucking sucks so who can blame them for wanting to avoid it. We're all different. Charge what makes you happy. Don't put any limits on yourself.

Variety is what brings us all business.

seicento
08-29-2016, 07:16 PM
Different girls are going to have different price points for a variety of different reasons, I don't think it makes sense to tell total strangers what they should be charging. Different types camgirls are going to have different types of customer bases. Not every girl is going to do well at 9.99/min for a variety of reasons and not every customer is going to be able to spend 9.99/min for a variety of reasons. If all camgirls raised their rates to 9.99/min I don't think they're all magically going to triple their income, and I do think a whole demographic of customers would vanish.

Best post I've read in here so far.

I have a theory. I think part of those yelling "raise your rates" want everyone to charge high so they can justify what they are charging. Every model should charge the amount she's comfortable with. To me all the raise your rates threads are useless because I will charge what I want, I don't care if my rates might seem low if at the end of the day/week I am happy with my earnings and I make a living.

For some models expensive rates just won't work. And not because they are not pretty or smart or their personality sucks, as I've seen 3.99 models being more entertaining, pretty and smarter than 9.99 ones.

Nationality, location, the site you are working are some important factors. Like for example I can not make it with higher rates on adultwork but an uk girl can make it. The same model charging high on aw might end up failing on sm for certain reasons and mostly because let's say, american guys are not willing to pay her expensive rates. Because the majority of SM traffic is from the US I'm using them as an example.

Also all the raise your rates threads are not best for newbies. Some of them don't know much and they think it's easy money and reading all these posts they think they can charge a lot and bank. Some will make it and the rest will end up quitting or starving while still trying. Just because X model is advocating for expensive rates so she can justify hers it doesn't mean that everyone can charge the same.

PS: After reading sm vent and camming sucks thread I think I made way more $$$ today in comparision with some of the more expensive girls.And I'm not worn out, because not every show means dildoing.And you can bank even with lower/ average rates.

Classy_Katy
08-30-2016, 03:37 AM
Actually I would argue this thread was revived not to focus on prices, but instead to advise girls on slowing down and drawing out the tease, which is effectively about the "quality" of one's show.



I think there should have been a new thread rather than this one being dredged up again.

SoloDesire
08-30-2016, 05:09 AM
I think there should have been a new thread rather than this one being dredged up again.

I revived this thread instead of making a new one because there's a wealth of helpful and encouraging information in this thread. Those that choose to instead be catty and get defensive probably haven't read it. No one is forcing anyone to read it or reply to it. I've gotten a lot of inspiration to do and be better from the amazing ladies that originally replied here.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-30-2016, 07:50 AM
So what if I changed the name of this thread to something lite and positive? I can see how stop being CHEAP can piss some people off. But theres a great discussion going on here and I don't want this to get out of hand. So I'm really asking do you want the name of the thread changed? This one isn't any different than the Raise Your Rates thread in my opinion. Its meant to inspire but due to the title I feel some are getting offended?

Classy_Katy
08-30-2016, 08:01 AM
Really it's a new discussion about slowing down our shows but naturally people are responding to the title and first post, which is something different and why I personally thought the new discussion would be best in a thread.

Halo88
08-30-2016, 08:42 AM
I have enjoyed reading this thread revival and each poster has made some great points. I agree that having a wide range of prices on a site attracts a diverse mix of customers. I personally work best with a mid price range, so cheap has it's own meaning to me. If I go too high, I spend too much time in free chat and that drains my energy. But also, quickie privates are a drain to me.

My version of "cheap" are guys who go private, demand everything within a few minutes then bail. I stopped catering to those customers, as I feel that they are not seeking interaction. I prefer interactive customers so I refer the quickie customers to gold shows or porn videos.

To me, private based shows should be interactive, and not someone barking orders to get all that he can for $5 dollars. That's just my opinion. I used to feel that stalling those types and hustling them for more time was effective, but it isn't worth the energy and aggravation.

Slowing down and giving good customers a quality show is a different story. I have had many guys in the past tell me that they enjoy it when girls don't rush through a private. Those are the good customers of course, and the ones who I want in my client base.

SoloDesire
08-30-2016, 09:44 AM
Really it's a new discussion about slowing down our shows but naturally people are responding to the title and first post, which is something different and why I personally thought the new discussion would be best in a thread.

I can see where you're coming from, but it's really not a new discussion. It can all be summed up as being too cheap by showing too much too soon for too little $$. That's kind of the point I was trying to make. A lot of these guys have gotten spoiled to the idea that they can take us private, demand "show pussy now bb" within the first couple of minutes and pay next to nothing. Some girls don't know any better and will show everything right away because they're afraid that they'll get a bad rating or lose a customer. I just want girls starting out to know that they don't have to do that. Basically "stop being cheap" and put on a quality performance instead of pleasing the "cheap" jerks...but by all means, charge what you're comfortable charging (but seriously, you CAN charge more)! lol

DeepThoughts
08-30-2016, 09:51 AM
There was a time when I first joined SW that I told a newb to raise her rates cause when girls had low rates they made us all look bad. In the following thread someone (I think it was phatgirldynomite actually) tore a strip off me asking what I ment by that. At the time I didnt see her response until a few weeks later and I didnt respond but even if I had seen it Im not sure I would have responded cause I was too chicken shit.

She totally called me out and I realized it was a bitch thing to say but as JAC put so eloquently pointed out previously, I was speaking from a place where I was a cam girl with no self esteem who started loving herself and put my rates up to reflect it and it felt so good I wanted to encourage others to do the same but then I took it to far by saying low prices hurt us all.

Yeah low prices arent hurting anyone. Both prices points can totally bank at this job and really that is an amazing thing! We really are like restaurants in the food industry. Men decide what they want and what they can pay for. Battered and Deep friend or Sauteed and Flambé. There are customers for it all so charge what you like!!!

oh except the men who dont have any money for a meal out. They have to stay home and try to convince their wife to make one for them. :D

KatM
08-30-2016, 03:43 PM
So what if I changed the name of this thread to something lite and positive? I can see how stop being CHEAP can piss some people off. But theres a great discussion going on here and I don't want this to get out of hand. So I'm really asking do you want the name of the thread changed? This one isn't any different than the Raise Your Rates thread in my opinion. Its meant to inspire but due to the title I feel some are getting offended?

Yes a name change is needed, the title is indeed not adequate let's say, a more positive one will help IMO. Ty!

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-30-2016, 04:02 PM
So what should I call it? The Thread Formerly Known As Stop Being Cheap has a nice ring to it. Kidding I will think of something.

SoloDesire
08-30-2016, 04:12 PM
So what should I call it? The Thread Formerly Known As Stop Being Cheap has a nice ring to it. Kidding I will think of something.

Just make sure you sugar coat it real good since everyone is so sensitive around here ;)

anonymous camgirl
08-30-2016, 04:13 PM
I don't know why we need to change the name .. In the name of politically correctness.. it's very catchy!.. and to appease a few people? because their feathers are ruffled.. I don't get why we are coddling a certain few to keep the peace around here... I like it!

hyori
08-30-2016, 04:15 PM
No need to change the title. It is what it is! I wasn't offended, I just like to debate. I learned a lot actually.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-30-2016, 04:26 PM
No need to change the title. It is what it is! I wasn't offended, I just like to debate. I learned a lot actually.

And thats great way of looking at. I just started freechat again and like I said previously during my hiatus Ive done a lot of research. Somethings I already knew but had forgotten came back to me. And then somethings were entirely new to me but was old information. Either way many off the stuff here is pretty damn useful. Take what you can and leave the rest.

sexysusie
08-30-2016, 04:38 PM
But if you are doing well--consistently staying busy with high quality customers and making more money the higher your rates are--are the lower-priced girls really cheapening the industry? It doesn't sound like they are negatively impacting business at all.

Different girls are going to have different price points for a variety of different reasons, I don't think it makes sense to tell total strangers what they should be charging. Different types camgirls are going to have different types of customer bases. Not every girl is going to do well at 9.99/min for a variety of reasons and not every customer is going to be able to spend 9.99/min for a variety of reasons. If all camgirls raised their rates to 9.99/min I don't think they're all magically going to triple their income, and I do think a whole demographic of customers would vanish.

That's an interesting question, and one I have thought about quite a bit since I started camming on mfc after always being a privates based girl. I still prefer private based sites, but i now do love the vibe of mfc. It took a long time to 'get it' that mfc was more about hanging out. The hustle is mostly offline, putting thought into what you can have for sale, what sort of shows you can offer and games you can play that will have people tipping, keeping in touch with club custies etc. All of that is WAY hard and imo those things therefore should come at a high price - club membership, snapchat, anything that gives these guys lots of offline contact with you should never be cheap because it takes a LOT of time on your part. Would a builder or other sole trader not charge for ALL the time they spent working on something? Exactly. On the other hand, things that are easy to do like small flashes, silly faces, sexy dances, dildo suck, quick fan sign etc, buy in to games with small prizes like the above, there's no problem charging low prices. All these build up to a higher overall amount because more people (theoretically) are tipping in. The guys there prefer a laid back approach, the girl next door, more of a friendly style. They aren't usually looking for super sexy, bare-all type of behaviour like we usually do on pay per min sites.

Having said that the top girls quite often can be found doing full nude everything goes shows for seemingly very small buy ins. They don't mind as they are making thousands per shift (i've made a ridiculous amount there in a small amount of time too so i know how amazingly well this CAN work). But it is exactly that which has sucked the bottom out of sites like SM and AW, or more specifically Chaturbate has. Or so the traffic stats would suggest. I am still not entirely sure how I feel about tip sites like this or what their effect is, these are just my thoughts so far based on personal observation. I don't even really know what is considered cheap/expensive on tip sites? Personally I price things like small game buy ins at 35 tokens, and higher energy/time input things like snapchat at around 600 tokens. Skypes are 900 for 10 mins.

The guys who buy on pay per min sites already KNOW that tip sites exist, more importantly they know that completely FREE porn exists. They go to SM, AW, IMLive etc NOT because they are looking for cheap shows, but because their favourite model is there. That is why I think it's important that girls keep good - high rates on these sites. The traffic IS dwindling fast due to sites like chaturbate, economic downturns, site technical glitches (which seem to be a never ending occurence at the moment!), but there are customers who STILL remain, wh oare loyal. They CHOOSE to cam on pay per min sites rather than the other (much easier, and much cheaper) sites, because they like the experience better. SO WHY WASTE THEM BY CHARGING CHEAP RATES????? As others have mentioned on this thread, most of us try to keep ahead of the times now too with interactive toys, high spec cams and computers, and the new (awesome) 3d cams that are coming out, getting onto new advertising ops like insta and periscope, keeping our website and marketing skills fresh etc. Shit dude we out to be charging out of our freaking ASSES, like lawyers do!!

I totally get the lack of confidence some ladies have, I know that awful feeling of dred when you don't have a show for a while and you think omg that's it game over, no one will ever pay me again. Don't for one second think I am making big bucks every time I go on cam and that blinds me to the struggle of anyone else, cause that isn't the case at all. I just think that pay per min sites, where the guys are STILL loyal despite the constant tech fuck ups, are a gold mine and it's crazy to waste the potential of earning so much more.

If you're a group show girl who does really well with multiple guys in her room and that's how you're banking off of 1.99 or whatever, then awesome, hats off to ya. I've never been able to hold lots of guys at once, I'm far more of a private based person so I don't really 'get it'. But I still think you could do even better at 2.99 :D Literally nearly every post in this thread is testament to the fact that girls DO make more with higher rates despite any initial concerns they may have about losing custies, not being experienced/nude/fetish/porny enough etc. It just requires a bit of patience at first to set a higher rate and LEAVE it for a while, log in regularly, act as you normally would in shows, give it at least a week (preferably longer) then count up how much you made over the whole period to get a better idea of how it has worked out for you. This is the crucial thing most people don't do - they set a tiny little increase, worry about how it will affect business (which comes accross in their shows), freak out if they go longer than 10 minutes without a show, and within a day they've put their rate back to where it was and decided higher rates obviously don't work!

Also, about moving sites for higher earnings - have a few sites you use regularly, because then you can always move between them, or even splitcam. This reduces the anxiety when you're experimenting with rates on your main site.

Honestly not meaning to come off as bitchy, I just want everyone to do really, REALLY, amazingly well... like even better than they thought they could, cause there is plenty more money out there to be got :D

PS Sorry for ramble.. bit rushed at the moment and wanted to get my thoughts out.

xxxluv
08-31-2016, 09:50 AM
I do not think the thread needs to be changed. It gives varying perspectives from ladies in all price zones. Also for ladies who charge a more inexpensive prices it catches their eye and may have them re-evaluate their prices or state why it is effective to them.

It is no one thing that cheapens the industry multiple facets - I will firmly stand by one of those things being cheap offerings. I will say 1.99 x 10 plus is by no means cheap and actually a method I do when I'm on Imlive ( at a higher rate) and when I did cam on Bonga. While the initial price is inexpensive you're not offering a cheap show because if it is consistently only a few people in the show you end it.

When I commented I was referring to all sites token, private, indy, phone etc. Just like how some ladies accept giftcards or paypal for payment and to each it owns but when people contact me over and over again with awww how bummed they are I don't accept it. I have to keep a poker face when decline anywho that's another topic.


I don't want to stir up anything heated (never my intent), but one point of a forum is to have constructive discussions. So I'm actually rather curious to hear from ladies who believe that "cheap rates cheapen the industry."

If that's how you feel, then what are your opinion on token sites? I'm pretty sure that token sites are actually the most profitable and also most popular platform in our industry, yet the models are effectively only being paid by a handful of tippers and otherwise giving everything away to hundreds if not thousands of freeloading viewers. Whereas on pay-per-minute sites, regardless of your rate, at least the guys have to pay something in order to get something in return.

Just makes me question which one actually "cheapens" the industry more, if that's the angle you're going to take. I don't have a strong opinion on this, it's simply food for thought.

Edited to add: Obviously token sites and private sites are two very different hustles/platforms. But that's why I asked this. If anyone's going to make blanketed statements about what "cheapens the industry" as a whole, then all aspects of the industry should be considered.

I primarily use 3 token sites at the same time. Usually in all three rooms it is 1-3 people tipping ( I do not have big room counts but a high percentage of premiums/guys with tokens etc). There have been on several occasions I met a small goal ( I do small mini goals) where it was only 1 person who tipped and as the room fills up and up usually that person is on my snap or a regular I let them know that if no one joins in They will get snaps of the goal or a few videos. 50% of the time some others in the room join, that other 50% they don't and we just move to the next goal.


Also, the prices for the things I offer on token sites are about average in my opinion while things I feel a bit more exclusive I charge a lot more but you still get the guys who want to make a deal. I do not do public cum shows, it's very rare I'm ever fully nude. My videos are rarely bundled and they sell pretty good. Even my 300tk + 5 min ones. Now for the guys that come in and want to compare. I'm not a car dealership there are literally a thousand plus girls on. CB guys are famous for asking do I want to do a pvt for 6tkns per min (my rate is 60/ per min). In my mind I think If you just had to pay 15 for me to check your pm. Why in the heck would you even think that was feasible. Silly guys tricks are not for me!

Of course I rambled, but in all to answer the question The whole culture for token sites is for the guys who do not have enough to see a full show can all chip in and get there, however we know it's not the case and it does have the quarter guys feeling so important and want to direct things. However, for us cam models having wonderful guys coming in and tipping without hesitation makes token sites worth it. Plus I absolutely love the social environment sometimes my room is like that on PVT sites and I actually prefer to be just tipped for things and chat usually end up gaining some guys for long shows later down the line.

SylvySinclair
09-04-2016, 05:15 AM
actually i i think that that depends on the site u work for....for eg, on aw: 1.99 for grp and 2.99 for private is a good rate as many girls charge way under that. also aw pays u 65% so, it makes sense to charge that, it doesnt to charge 0.99 and even lower like i see some gals charging. of course, for uk and usa gals, it can be low, for me is huge as the exchange currency is really high, but yet, i charge the same as the nude cam shows girls. the lowest i went on aw was 1.29/2.49 and i kept raising them a bit every 2 weeks. now with the rates i have right now, i dont plan to raise them more as i would lose clients. on ifriends i have 3.99 and on cc 1.99 grp / 1.99 + 50% private.
on indy i have 3/min for basic fetish and 4/min for hardcore shows. and yes, a lot of cheapos ask me why im over 2/min, i just dont respond and block them.

xxxGothBarbie
01-23-2017, 11:44 PM
I'm just curious to see the different numbers & if you charge much higher depending on if you offer more kinks on that site than others. I've been wondering if most models charge under $5 per min & get way more shows which equal more money or not. I don't offer too many crazy things, I'm open for most requests but mostly only like doing vanilla bc I'm lazy lol & they're much easier for me to do in paid.

I don't use but one toy & or fingers & don't have much in terms of costumes, etc. So what do most of you charge if you're not offering that much in a show?

heyho
01-24-2017, 01:13 AM
^I'm on SM and I've charged anywhere between 2.49/4.49 to 6.99/9.99 a min. I've only been camming for a year, and only vanilla like you. (I also don't have equipment or costumes apart from generic lingerie and a couple of dildos.) However, I feel like I should add the disclaimer that I'm also young, petite and conventionally attractive, and I intentionally style myself to look like a vanilla dream girl from teh movies; it works with my generic-sweet-young-thing persona. There are custies for every type of woman in the world, but I am privileged to have perhaps the widest base to draw from.

Charging under $4, I averaged $40 an hour and had to work hard. It was not fun, and knowing that I was performing my heart out for pennies a minute made me want to cry. I couldn't do long shifts because I was so worn out from doing back to back pvts, and emotionally drained from feeling under-compensated for the physical effort, intimacy and risk I was subjecting myself to. I would work 2, maybe 3 hours, $100 days, and call it quits. Then I discovered this frickin forum, slapped myself upside the head and raised my rates.

Then I was at 4.99/5.99 for a long time. I averaged $60-65 an hour. I was happy with this, that's why I stayed there for ages. I could do 5 hour shifts, or reach the $300 mark, before being too exhausted. (Of course in real life I'm a lazy piece of shit and would more likely quit at the $200 mark or earlier.)

One time I bumped it up to 6.99/9.99 for 2 days. I averaged $50 an hour, a slight drop, and although I made BANK in paidchat I was also sitting in freechat way too much for my liking (freechat SUX). In hindsight, I should have given it more time to gain a new base of custies while I lost my 4.99 regs, but I'm working my way out of debt at the moment so immediate money took priority.

And I had much less multi-custie privates at that price, which meant I never got awesome $ boosts from doing one show. Multi-custie privates is the TITS, let me tell you. The absolute tits. You can never guess quite how much you're raking in and it's always a pleasant surprise. It was a fad on SW for a while to have Excl set lower than Prem to avoid 60-sec peeper bastards, but let momma tell you right now, it is not worth it. I've made peace with being freepeeped, because the occasional slip-up and the God blessed multi-custie pvts more than make up for it. Of course, if one guy is being a consistent non-slipping-up peeper bastard, I memorise his name and get SMSupport to ban him for me later. No sweat.

So anyway. I went back down to 5.99/8.99, which is roughly where I stay now. I would say I'm now averaging $70-80 an hour. Lately it's been a crapshoot with fucking #SMGlitches but my paidchat percentage is still around 50% so I'm pretty lucky.

--

PGD, maybe this thread should be called something like: Pricing Your Shows (Don't be scared to experiment or to charge what works for you!)

The current title is kinda off-puttingly inflammatory. YES CALL ME A SENSITIVE BABY but I think this whole thread contains very valid discussion far beyond OP's original opinions, so the title should better reflect the community's evolving thoughts on the subject.

DonaDiabla
01-24-2017, 01:36 AM
I charge between 3.99 to 9.99 per min for camming. However, I am a non-nude domme and often perform very unique shows for my clients. However, I will be charging between 4.99 to 11.99 after updating my equipment and outfits. In addition, I will be developing more complex shows to justify that 11.99 per min amount. :) However, you could charge 2.99 and up if you want :)



I'm just curious to see the different numbers & if you charge much higher depending on if you offer more kinks on that site than others. I've been wondering if most models charge under $5 per min & get way more shows which equal more money or not. I don't offer too many crazy things, I'm open for most requests but mostly only like doing vanilla bc I'm lazy lol & they're much easier for me to do in paid.

I don't use but one toy & or fingers & don't have much in terms of costumes, etc. So what do most of you charge if you're not offering that much in a show?