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shywebcamgirl
01-25-2012, 07:36 AM
if some girls want to show their tits for 35 cents let them aslong they are happy .i dont look at their pay stats or do i care, some do it for advertise and some do it for tease every one hustle the way they want. cheap girls might be banking to dont knock their hustle.:O:O
I wasn't knocking their hustle. I was talking about my own individual hustle, as can be noted by the lack of use of the word 'they' and the multiple use of the first person, 'I'.
Cam_chick
01-25-2012, 11:32 AM
Yes, I don't think Shy was attempting to "knock" anyones hustle per say, but Roast truly hits the nail on the head. A girls hustle may be to charge next to nothing, but you can't deny that if the majority of girls are charging minimally it makes it much harder to charge more.
With my hustle being to charge more, yeah I'm not gonna be thrilled with the gold show mentality.
CinnimonKiss
01-25-2012, 07:31 PM
So hey you know what would be great, why dont all us girls here on stripperweb who indeed work SM, all change our rates to the exact same highest u can on the meter with SM without messaging them for even higher, Isnt it like 4.99 or 5.99 or something?
HOly mAn if this could happen, that would be awesome. Its so true about streamate becoming a place for freeloaders and guys saying "thats too hight" and GOLDSHOWS honestly I havent been approved and I dont think i even wanna be approved. I think i can make more with prv/exlc then dealing with goldshow shit.
CocoLovesYou
01-25-2012, 09:25 PM
So glad that this thread started... I'm now earning twice as much for half as much work :) my non-sore crotch thanks you.
Lol. Same. I saw this thread and upped my countdowns on MFC. It made me feel better.
shywebcamgirl
01-25-2012, 09:27 PM
So hey you know what would be great, why dont all us girls here on stripperweb who indeed work SM, all change our rates to the exact same highest u can on the meter with SM without messaging them for even higher, Isnt it like 4.99 or 5.99 or something?
HOly mAn if this could happen, that would be awesome. Its so true about streamate becoming a place for freeloaders and guys saying "thats too hight" and GOLDSHOWS honestly I havent been approved and I dont think i even wanna be approved. I think i can make more with prv/exlc then dealing with goldshow shit.
I am already part of the '4.99 Club'. It is a great club, with really good perks. People should really consider joining it. (*grins*) :party2:
HaydenBlue
01-25-2012, 09:44 PM
I think i can make more with prv/exlc then dealing with goldshow shit.
YES! Because let's say you are doing a 10 minute goldshow, and the guys only have to pay $5 to get in. Well, he got his 10 minute show for 5 dollars and you only got $1.25 out of it AND you told him it was OK to only spend $5 to see you naked. NAKED, ladies - naked!
If you had one guy who was paying $4.99 PER minute for a 10 minute show he pays almost $50. Sure, you don't see all of that $ because of your cut, but what did you tell HIM? The bigger picture is the CUSTOMER as well, because what impression are you leaving HIM with when he spends on you?
We are a LUXURY!!!! not a dollar menu, or something they buy when they have spare change lying around. And we have to re-teach them that.
(I'm sure this was all said before somewhere on this thread - just slamdunking it though!)
HaydenBlue
01-25-2012, 09:55 PM
I am already part of the '4.99 Club'. It is a great club, with really good perks. People should really consider joining it. (*grins*) :party2:
We should start a raise-your-rate challenge? in CC - even if you're happy what you're charging $4 + or whatever maybe it would encourage newer girls or girls with lower prices to raise them higher? Or even just raising your gold show rate to at the MINIMUM $1 per minute buy in.
Just an thought :)
SweetPinkCupcake
01-25-2012, 11:01 PM
A dollar a minute gold shows, you say Hayden? Everybody doing a dollar a minute gold shows?
OMG. . I would have a real orgasm and the champagne will be on ME, ladies!
EternalRose
01-26-2012, 01:37 AM
Honestly some of you seem way to focused on the numbers, "this many guys" "X ammount of $$ per guy" blah blah blah, bottom line are they making the money they need obviously or they prolly wouldn't keep doing it. Sorry I am doing internet porn so i dont give a frell how many guys see me "naked" as long as I make my bottom line at the end of the day in the amount of time available that's all that matters. What good does it really do to sit here and hate, you already said your piece about the industry going downhill, why keep posting over and over.
You don't like it, and it could have shitty future ramifications, but every page of this thread is just the same gold show hating over and over.
Go to work make some monies!
Money, money, money, MONEY!
Get some!
(its more fun than complaining, at least for me)
Live and let live.
HaydenBlue
01-26-2012, 01:44 AM
So you think your body is worth a McD's happy meal? That is what you are telling these men when someone does a gold show for $5 for 10 minutes. It is NOT ok. And that is the bottom line here. We aren't hating on Gold Shows, they could have been a good thing, but they feeding the cheapness in the industry.
EternalRose
01-26-2012, 01:56 AM
So you think your body is worth a McD's happy meal? That is what you are telling these men when someone does a gold show for $5 for 10 minutes. It is NOT ok. And that is the bottom line here. We aren't hating on Gold Shows, they could have been a good thing, but they feeding the cheapness in the industry.
I meant that maybe they care more about the over all total or goal not the per person fee, I dont like to be "cheap" but if I can make 2-3 times as much money in a gold show that takes 20mins total and the guys only pay 5$ for 10mins, than I would have in pvt or exclusive for 20mins, well bottom line to me is what i make total at the end of the day, and a lot of girls prolly think that way. I am not saying its great for the business, but it works for some people, and they make far more than they would normally.
A lot of people are more focused on the present, not how its going to affect them later on, not necessarily a good trait but i just dont think there gonna pop in here see that everyone disprove's and change there ways. It seems kinda like a waste of energy to care about what others are doing when its not going to change anything. But thats just me, very head in the sand, I have enough trouble with my own shit to always be worrying about what strangers are doing.
Cam_chick
01-26-2012, 06:35 AM
It seems kinda like a waste of energy to care about what others are doing when its not going to change anything. But thats just me, very head in the sand, I have enough trouble with my own shit to always be worrying about what strangers are doing.
I would say just based on the fact that tons of girls have posted in this thread "I've upped my rates after reading all this!", this statement is incredibly innacurate. I think what doesn't make sense is to complain about girls encouraging each other to value themselves MORE. There's no harm in reminding all the wonderful women of the cam industry how much they are worth :)
Fridays
01-26-2012, 10:19 AM
. What good does it really do to sit here and hate, you already said your piece about the industry going downhill, why keep posting over and over.
.
Ive been doing this for long and after all this time I started to care about my camgirls( my lol ).
I really do care.
Its not hate, its tough love.
Definition of TOUGH LOVE
Love or affectionate concern expressed in a stern or unsentimental manner (as through discipline) especially to promote responsible behavior.
Want it or not, we are in this together.
TheBrownFox
01-26-2012, 01:04 PM
YES! Because let's say you are doing a 10 minute goldshow, and the guys only have to pay $5 to get in. Well, he got his 10 minute show for 5 dollars and you only got $1.25 out of it AND you told him it was OK to only spend $5 to see you naked. NAKED, ladies - naked!
If you had one guy who was paying $4.99 PER minute for a 10 minute show he pays almost $50. Sure, you don't see all of that $ because of your cut, but what did you tell HIM? The bigger picture is the CUSTOMER as well, because what impression are you leaving HIM with when he spends on you?
We are a LUXURY!!!! not a dollar menu, or something they buy when they have spare change lying around. And we have to re-teach them that.
(I'm sure this was all said before somewhere on this thread - just slamdunking it though!)
I kept trying to quote this post and respond with "WORD!!! x 1,000!!!" but the forum was fuckin' up, so I couldn't post. :P
And YAY, it's fixed! :D
Fridays
02-10-2012, 06:14 PM
:bump:
pumpkin_lovely
02-10-2012, 07:06 PM
Great post! I think I'm very lucky to have been doing so much research prior to beginning my camming. My friend and I were discussing starting rates and whether or not they should be low to start... then I saw the challenge post about raising rates, and I said, "Fuck those cheap shows!" :) Thank you, ladies. As always, very informative and also uplifting. Do you all believe it is good to start off with good rates? I'd really like to start with at least $5.99/min. on SM. I'm still trying to get my friend on the wagon to start high, but she's not on board yet. How can I get her to change her mind!?!?
HaydenBlue
02-14-2012, 11:47 AM
bump
Raise your rates ladies!
SativaBlue
02-14-2012, 12:05 PM
I'm starting on SM at 4.99 for private and exclusive and I'm not making sheeeiiiiiit.....grrr...
MissKatie
02-18-2012, 05:56 PM
To anyone saying they don't see the point of focusing on the numbers - have you tried raising your rates? May I suggest that you DO, and see what happens. I guarantee you will finish your cam shift with more money than usual ;) Obviously you'll still get shitty days, but those are far more to do with technical issues on the site, more popular models being online, your placement/ rating, the time of day etc, than your pricing!
Cam_chick
02-18-2012, 06:55 PM
I'm 4.99/5.99 and I want to go 6.99 but I'm too chicken right now! Want to get more regs first :P
Also, on the subject of gold shows - I only do them once an hour or so. I practically always do $5 for 5 minutes because I can't stand to do less than a dollar a minute but no one wants to pay $10 for a gold show, which is pretty fucked up. I truly envy those top row girls that can make high goals, when I struggle to make my measly $60 goal. There seems to be no rhyme or reason to why a show goes or fails, but I refuse to be ensnared in the obsession. I'd go friggan crazy.
ManyRoses
02-18-2012, 08:01 PM
I meant that maybe they care more about the over all total or goal not the per person fee, I dont like to be "cheap" but if I can make 2-3 times as much money in a gold show that takes 20mins total and the guys only pay 5$ for 10mins, than I would have in pvt or exclusive for 20mins, well bottom line to me is what i make total at the end of the day, and a lot of girls prolly think that way. I am not saying its great for the business, but it works for some people, and they make far more than they would normally.
A lot of people are more focused on the present, not how its going to affect them later on, not necessarily a good trait but i just dont think there gonna pop in here see that everyone disprove's and change there ways. It seems kinda like a waste of energy to care about what others are doing when its not going to change anything. But thats just me, very head in the sand, I have enough trouble with my own shit to always be worrying about what strangers are doing.
I don't think that these girls aren't AS angry at the people who are doing gold shows for $5 but with a goal of $300....its still annoying, but you CAN see the logic behind it. Some top girls (no names!! LOL) are now doing ONLY gold shows, back to back, and each one is at least $2-300 goal. And I watch as customers pledge far more than minimum within that to make sure that the goal is reached. Its still frustrating to see, but you can at least think, well, she's making $100 every 20 mins. That's pretty decent.
HOWEVER, most of the shows we are talking about in this thread are NOTHING like that. Goal is set at $50 or $70...maybe even (gasp!) $100...and within that, they are doing the show for $3 and it includes penetration in every orifice, squirting, spitting, real orgasms, dp, etc etc etc. So at the end of the day, these girls make what? $10? $20? And it takes them a few tries to hit the goal, or they do it half way (actually GETTING $6 or some pathetic pittance like that), or they re-set ten times....and that's what they make for the half hour, or the hour. Looking at this - you are making LESS money overall, and MORE customers are seeing you naked. IT MAKES NO SENSE!!! $20 an hour is PATHETIC for all that stuff!!
I get your point about it being about total earnings, not earnings per customer, and to an extent, I agree with that principle. However, when applied to gold shows, that doesn't actually always pan out. In fact, it usually doesn't pan out. With low goals, and low buy ins, you make LESS money overall.
Let me think....More money from less people seeing me fuck myself, or less money from more people seeing me fuck myself....decisions, decisions...
Lovelyx
02-19-2012, 04:27 PM
I'm starting on SM at 4.99 for private and exclusive and I'm not making sheeeiiiiiit.....grrr...
Dont worry, I'm barely new too on SM no regulars, I had stopped using the encoder since it start to lag for me, so I'm using the HD of SM website, I'm currently at $3.89 premiun / $4.89 exclusive. Today was my first day on SM since....like 3 weeks without putting online, and ohh well in 2 hours and a half I had just made $31 dollars, is not much, but I'm ok with it since I'm not using the Encoder, I dont have ratings, no regulars no nothing. But I will keep this price for a while and see how it goes for me. Just keep into it, and dont move back or lower your prices.
Lovelyx
02-19-2012, 10:09 PM
can someone name ANY sites that allows models to do shows for under $1/min per client except SM ?
I dont know of any...
lower is $0.99/min ( lets say $1/min) in Happy hour on cams,com and I think the start up promo price on LiveJasmin is also $0.99/min..
Livepimpim have a standard price per minute of 0.98 to all Girls (it cannot be changed). I use that site when I'm on my months days and cannot play with myself, lots of lonely guys who love to chat in private for long period of time (more than 30 minutes) so nice as backup for me.
Sexier (sister site of Imlive) they allow models to choose to charge 0.98 per min private show.
Fridays
02-20-2012, 11:05 AM
Livepimpim have a standard price per minute of 0.98 to all Girls (it cannot be changed). I use that site when I'm on my months days and cannot play with myself, lots of lonely guys who love to chat in private for long period of time (more than 30 minutes) so nice as backup for me.
Sexier (sister site of Imlive) they allow models to choose to charge 0.98 per min private show.
ok, so 0.98.... lets say $1.... per minute!
any others?
Cause the point is this..
Most sites do not allow models to do shows for 50cents/min...
So why do models allow that?
lol
Lovelyx
02-20-2012, 11:22 AM
How about extasiscams??? they don't have free chat only paid chat but pffffffffffff the price per minute for the member there is less than $1 dollar >.< they have a standard of 0.49 cents per/min LOL, so the model earn like 0.20 cent per/min of that for do everything, get FULL NAKED, masturbate, hardcore, fist, anal, all come on FOR 0.20 cents per min..so if the girl is lucky after 10 minute of pvt...she will earn $2 bucks after full naked, pussy play, anal play :) how sweet isn't it???
Fridays
02-20-2012, 11:37 AM
How about extasiscams??? they don't have free chat only paid chat but pffffffffffff the price per minute for the member there is less than $1 dollar >.< they have a standard of 0.49 cents per/min LOL, so the model earn like 0.20 cent per/min of that for do everything, get FULL NAKED, masturbate, hardcore, fist, anal, all come on FOR 0.20 cents per min..so if the girl is lucky after 10 minute of pvt...she will earn $2 bucks after full naked, pussy play, anal play :) how sweet isn't it???
U just ruined my day ! haha:D
laurielegs
02-20-2012, 03:44 PM
How about extasiscams??? they don't have free chat only paid chat but pffffffffffff the price per minute for the member there is less than $1 dollar >.< they have a standard of 0.49 cents per/min LOL, so the model earn like 0.20 cent per/min of that for do everything, get FULL NAKED, masturbate, hardcore, fist, anal, all come on FOR 0.20 cents per min..so if the girl is lucky after 10 minute of pvt...she will earn $2 bucks after full naked, pussy play, anal play :) how sweet isn't it???
True, but they advertise "cheap sex shows" and that is what they give. Most viewers who have real money to spend won't be satisfied with that type show.
I also discovered when I had checked it out before that there is no option for a viewer to go private - it's all group there. Not gonna attract any quality hosts or whales there.
Camgirltee
02-22-2012, 04:05 PM
I have raised! On Cams.com I charge $5.99 for private. On Stream I charge $4.89 reg and $4.99 for exclusive. They are paying!!!
LAChloe
03-12-2012, 06:25 PM
so many models on first rows doing cheap gold shows....
its ok ...really if they want to work for cheap, oh well...
but I wonder if they think about it..
if they are not reaching the goal, whats their next move... go even cheaper?
Go very cheap?
Go extremely cheap?
Go" omg you;re out of your mind "cheap?
What are you going to do tomorrow and next week... when they already saw everything u have to offer for $3...
What?
Just now I watched Fridays do a gold show- $9 buy in for 60 mins---Goal was $899. She FAR surpassed her goal. It was AMAZING! I was rooting for her the whole time. She killed it!
Now with that said, please no more calling any girls cheap. I really don't care what girls do in their gold shows as long as they follow the rules, but I hate HYPOCRISY! All I'm asking you to do is either practice what you preach or never call another girl cheap.
Again, Congrats! It was awesome!!!
TheBrownFox
03-12-2012, 07:06 PM
FUCK!!! That's so awesome, Fridays!!! CONGRATS!!! :highfive:
laurielegs
03-12-2012, 07:59 PM
OMG! That's nearly a thousand dollar goal, wtf!
I'm amazed!
Congrats Friday. Proof that if you aim high you'll get what you want.
Rosemary Rabbit
03-12-2012, 08:25 PM
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laurielegs
03-12-2012, 09:36 PM
Congrats, Fridays!
I am like you in that I'd love to watch you work since you have been killin' it, but respect your desire for privacy. I REALLY hope to catch you on someday! My long shows tend to not take off as well as my short shows, but I keep it $1/min, minimum. Either way, I'm rather inspired!
I am too! omg would love to see, but I have no idea who you are Fridays and I can't very well ask because I don't use my host name here either ;)
but I'm still so excited to see someone reach such a huge high goal! awesomeness!
Ms.Lacey
03-12-2012, 10:09 PM
Thats amazing
I also see we riding that horse kinda high arent we lol
Oh... im practicing what I preach ...
i dont know if I should say " thank you" or say.........the following..
have u seen my previous attempt for $33 for 30 minutes... and $49 for 60 minutes... with goal both 490?
have you heard I actually reached a 490 goal with $49 pledge for 10 minutes show?!?
have u see my other goals reached with $22 for 15 minutes? I said in my initial post, in this thread... being "cheap" ONCE.. TWICE... its all good.. but not all the time.....
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im probably the first girl in the history of gold shows to ever reach a 899 goal. By myself. No fetishes. If you know of any other models to achieve such a goal, by all means, LET ME KNOW, I want to watch them and get even more inspired..
It was a plain show. i did not drill anything. i did not fuck bedposts... Not thats anything wrong with that ( thought it was, but changed my mind ) but I just dont do those extreme things.
so yeah.... you;re saying im great and then spit in my face?
whatever. not your first post where you;re trying to be mean to me...
Decalyn
03-13-2012, 07:32 AM
Fri, hun, I think that may have been a general statement rather than being directly aimed at you.
D:
Also, Congo Rats.
DEUCESWILD
03-14-2012, 06:03 AM
congrats! thats friggin sweet!
jgolden83
03-24-2012, 11:39 AM
Men love bitches...
Just saying.
Only the :angel:Good:angel: Die Young...
We :devil:Bitches:devil: Live FOREVER!!!!!
Fridays
04-18-2012, 07:52 AM
Hello Hello....its a beautiful day today....
o0Pepper0o
04-19-2012, 06:24 PM
I have something fun to add to this convo..
I've worked 4 nights now on MFC...and EVERY nite one guy [always a diff guy] comes in and tells me I charge wayyy too much and I'm new so I don't know any better and no ones gonna pay that and I'll find that out soon enough blah blah..
and so far, I always get what I ask for. ALWAYS.
So fuck that new girl crap. Guys try and fuck new girls the worst cos they're NEW. Everyone thinks I'm new to this hustle on MFC cos they try and give me this shit but I already know what I'm worth so I never fall for it.
New girls need to get informed and come here or something...[shrug] I think it's just part of the industry. New girls don't know their worth so they go low cos they think about the girl in the next room fucking herself for $5 in freechat and think she's making more money...which she most likely isn't!
maryjaynexo
04-19-2012, 06:49 PM
Brb, upping to 4.99/4.99 :D
Peachesxo
04-19-2012, 09:55 PM
Hello everyone.
My name is Peaches and I am addicted to raising my prices.
Everytime I up them I think it will be the last time... Sometimes I feel like I'm getting too high, but....they just keep paying, so then I think to myself... "I'll raise them again then, just... JUST ONE MORE DOLLAR... just one more time"
It really is a vicious cycle }:D
(Oh shit - this isn't the raise your rates thread! Oh well, that's what I get for starting the 420 celebrations a day early!)
MissSeraphim
04-29-2012, 10:19 AM
[QUOTE=LilRedRidinGood;2257727]fact is anything per minute is more than nothing per minute. /QUOTE]
I'm going to have to somewhat agree with this.
I'm not cheap; but I'm not super expensive either. I realize we're entertainment and a special kind but I don't splurge hundreds of dollars on a half hour of entertainment so I don't expect them to. but they get what they pay for.
My main point is this though.. As far as worrying about other girls cheap prices affecting you, as long as they're charging too and not just giving it up for totally free it doesn't affect us.
If a huge slew of women started doing cam shows for completely free then there might be an issue.
I'd say the little naive skanks on sites like stickam are more of the "enemy"
just giving it up for the thrill of it or because of false promises.
They're offering the same kind of thing...for free.
Peachesxo
04-29-2012, 11:26 PM
I realize we're entertainment and a special kind but I don't splurge hundreds of dollars on a half hour of entertainment so I don't expect them to.
:banghead:
This is 2012, the age of CONSUMERS. People have been programmed, literally, to believe expensive = better.
People splurge, buy stuff they don't need, and over pay for things ALL THE TIME- for one reason and one reason only, because they want it.
If they want it, it doesn't matter how much it costs.
I am not about to start feeling sorry for anybody because they have to pay a lot of $$ for my services. If they can't afford it they don't deserve to see it. The end. There are hundreds of thousands of porn vids out there online for the broke asses to wank to, free of charge.
ManyRoses
04-29-2012, 11:35 PM
Oh... im practicing what I preach ...
i dont know if I should say " thank you" or say.........the following..
have u seen my previous attempt for $33 for 30 minutes... and $49 for 60 minutes... with goal both 490?
have you heard I actually reached a 490 goal with $49 pledge for 10 minutes show?!?
have u see my other goals reached with $22 for 15 minutes? I said in my initial post, in this thread... being "cheap" ONCE.. TWICE... its all good.. but not all the time.....
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im probably the first girl in the history of gold shows to ever reach a 899 goal. By myself. No fetishes. If you know of any other models to achieve such a goal, by all means, LET ME KNOW, I want to watch them and get even more inspired..
It was a plain show. i did not drill anything. i did not fuck bedposts... Not thats anything wrong with that ( thought it was, but changed my mind ) but I just dont do those extreme things.
so yeah.... you;re saying im great and then spit in my face?
whatever. not your first post where you;re trying to be mean to me...
HOLY CRAP!! And well done!!
I do have one question though - what in the heck did you DO for 60 minutes??? I can only imagine a situation like when I was dancing and a guy would buy 10, 20, 30 dances in a row, and by the 10th, I would have TOTALLY run out of shit to do and just started doing it all over again, loop-style!
Fridays
04-30-2012, 07:07 AM
- what in the heck did you DO for 60 minutes??? ...., I would have TOTALLY run out of shit to do and just started doing it all over again, loop-style!
well.. when u got 1 hour its easier to do things the right away....;)
Vanessa_Paws
06-03-2012, 08:38 AM
Just read every single page of this thread.
And. am. amazed. and simultaneously punching myself in the face for selling my self short!!!! I am relatively new at camming at had no idea at what "good" rates were.
Totally just upped my rates to 3.49 and upping my countdowns as well as the prices of my content on MGF. Oooooh I love all of you so much. I just wanna give you all big bear hugs. Especially you, Fridays!!!!!! :)
I'm struggling with this issue at the moment. I'm slowllly raising my rates because I don't want the custies to think I've lost my damn mind or to not take me seriously.
One of the reasons my rates are low is because I've been inconsistent a lot this year because of life drama and I do have another (albeit, shitty) job, and I thought it would help bring in customers. I still do ok when I work, but I would love to work a little less harder for more money. I'm planning on buying more sexy outfits/toys/and using phone along the way to make the jump feel more justified. ://// This thread is kind of making me feel bad about myself, but I shouldn't have ever priced myself so low in the first place. I'm hot, young, and I have a great camera and personality! Thanks ladies.
Guys will pay.... what your price is and the more you change the nicer the guys are that take you pvt.... I personally cannot change less than 3.99 a min on sm( now that said my rates are 4.95, and 5.95) The min i drop my price my 5 start rate takes a nosie drive because I can not deal with those guys at all...
a guy that is going to pay 5.99 a min for a camgirl is not going to pay 1.99 for a girl..... because he value what that higher price girl can do and see higher price as sign of quality.......
Think if it like this a guy that pays 3000 for a night with girl is not going to be interested in a girl that only changes 300 a night.....
I have change my price and my custy based changes every time with my price .... I really don't see myself competing with the girls that change 1.99 a min because thier custy are not the ones that I want or the ones that pay my rate
Fridays
06-03-2012, 10:14 AM
I recently had THIS as gold show topic...
" what would you choose a cheap whore or an expensive whore LOL ".
You should have seen the reaction...
it was so funny..
hell of a topic...
I recently had THIS as gold show topic...
" what would you choose a cheap whore or an expensive whore LOL ".
You should have seen the reaction...
it was so funny..
hell of a topic...
I wish I was there....that sound like hoot.