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TheBrownFox
12-13-2011, 12:40 PM
It is IMPOSSIBLE to live in California or New York on 100/day. 100x5 = 500x4 = 2000 a month. That wouldnt even cover basic expenses like food, shelter, and transportation, let alone taxes


New York is expensive. I used to live in a tiny Long Island studio apartment for $700+/month. That was from 2001 - 2003.

I have no idea how much rent there is now, but since I've moved their bus and train fares have gone up. And when I lived there, tax was like 8.5% or something.

Rosemary Rabbit
12-13-2011, 03:20 PM
I would hope that if there is that technology available then there'd also be an 'off', 'slow down', or a way for YOU to control the machine a little bit so no one gets hurt. If anything goes awry, I'd do what I do now; stop all action. I'm not going to let myself be slammed to death if I don't like it, LOL! I don't even do that now.

I got really excited when I saw Vsex, but then got bummed when I had to purchase one of THEIR sex machines. I don't want that kind :( I'm saving my money for a really nice one that does all kinds of angles. Maybe I should keep saving for when a universal, awesome one is available for the public that can be plugged in? Hm.

Cam_chick
12-13-2011, 04:12 PM
I'm glad I live in a fairly low cost of living place. Unless you are full on branding yourself and trying to get into porn, I don't really see the reason to live anywhere with such high costs as a cam girl. Just seems counter productive.

You can speculate all day long, but as for me, I'm just gonna roll with the punches. I don't have the energy to worry about the future of the industry, I'm just going to keep myself ready to adapt as things change. I think it's awhile before we have to worry about such a terrible flood of girls that there isn't enough money to go around, there is still just too much stigma against women involved in anything porn related for it to get that bad anytime soon.

30k a year is plenty for me. I'd love to make more, and I'm going to strive to, but everything more than that is saving and investing.

laurielegs
12-14-2011, 03:37 AM
Ifriends had similar technology over ten years ago!! They called it "cyberdildonics" and it was a huge failure along with all the other bells and whistles they have tried to add over the years - the multiple camera angles, 3-D video (which i invested in a 3-d cam, made absolutely zero with the damn thing).

With the multiple angles guys would immediately tell me to turn it off. Too distracting.

These types of fads nearly always fail when they require the guys to buy something to participate plus remember they need to keep it simple. Any layer of technology is going to be too much of a learning curve to use extra equipment. All the blood drains out of their head and down to their penis. Most just want to log in and wank, period.

Cam_chick
12-14-2011, 07:55 AM
These types of fads nearly always fail when they require the guys to buy something to participate plus remember they need to keep it simple. Any layer of technology is going to be too much of a learning curve to use extra equipment. All the blood drains out of their head and down to their penis. Most just want to log in and wank, period.

Not to mention the fact that a lot of these men have families. I'd imagine it's hard to hide "dildonic" technology from the wifey, and probably not worth the risk of it being found anyway.

Sinistress
12-14-2011, 08:11 AM
It's not required for the guy to buy anything to still operate the girls sex machine.
And alot of them have already tried out the fleshlight so it's really not that hard to hide. It is after all just a fleshlight with a usb cord on it.


For those of you who went to the site and said you liked it until you saw you had to purchase something it is also not required for you to purchase anything to work on the site. It's simply an option you can do

TheBrownFox
12-14-2011, 10:58 AM
For those of you who went to the site and said you liked it until you saw you had to purchase something it is also not required for you to purchase anything to work on the site. It's simply an option you can do



In the "What is required to get started?" section, it says that purchasing the VSex machine is one of the requirements.

http://models.vsxlive.com/

Torn
12-14-2011, 01:08 PM
What about a virtual pussy eater? Why is this so male dominated? Maybe it's just me and I have my man trained but he'd forgo a blow job any day just to eat it. Screw servicing these men. They should be paying for the privilege of getting off on getting us off.

Torn
12-14-2011, 01:15 PM
What do we mean by good money? Livable income or upper middle class? Some girls might think $30,000 a year is good money (I've never lived off more than $9,000, personally, and this to me is living rather comfortably, I've lived off less), some girls would see $70,000 a year as a bare minimum for defining a "good" income.

I agree that 8 hours a work for $100 is nothing (the stripper analogy you gave). That's hardly more than minimum wage. I hope camming doesn't come to that in less than two years for people who are putting in their time and talent.
I would hope camming or any adult industry job isn't for long term financial gain. It seems more of an ideal job for people who have odd schedules due to school or being a young mother.

It would be wise, IMO to invest your time in actually obtaining a degree and a job with a non adult company so that someone could rise above only 30K a year and actually put themselves at least into the middle class category and not even have to do adult anything any longer.

The money made is not worth the risk and the headache, apparently. It seems there are other jobs that one can do with a college degree that are less of a headache but you make way more money and don't have to worry about paying your taxes, chargebacks, stalkers, getting raped, people finding out....etc...etc.

LaurenAus
12-14-2011, 01:24 PM
I would hope camming or any adult industry job isn't for long term financial gain. It seems more of an ideal job for people who have odd schedules due to school or being a young mother.

It would be wise, IMO to invest your time in actually obtaining a degree and a job with a non adult company so that someone could rise above only 30K a year and actually put themselves at least into the middle class category and not even have to do adult anything any longer.

The money made is not worth the risk and the headache, apparently. It seems there are other jobs that one can do with a college degree that are less of a headache but you make way more money and don't have to worry about paying your taxes, chargebacks, stalkers, getting raped, people finding out....etc...etc.


the reason why I would be interested in camming is flexibility, not having to be tied down to a 9-5 desk, being able to fund side passions and having the time to fund them, being able to take time off when you really want to. Of course the money is important too but there's a lot of other side perks that appeal to me that the conventional career doesn't offer. This is why I would consider it even though there are those risks.

KarinaGiselle
12-14-2011, 01:48 PM
I would hope camming or any adult industry job isn't for long term financial gain. It seems more of an ideal job for people who have odd schedules due to school or being a young mother.

It would be wise, IMO to invest your time in actually obtaining a degree and a job with a non adult company so that someone could rise above only 30K a year and actually put themselves at least into the middle class category and not even have to do adult anything any longer.

The money made is not worth the risk and the headache, apparently. It seems there are other jobs that one can do with a college degree that are less of a headache but you make way more money and don't have to worry about paying your taxes, chargebacks, stalkers, getting raped, people finding out....etc...etc.

And that's why I'm going to college as well :P Thankfully it's not that hard to get into college here, unlike in the US.

GlamourRouge
12-14-2011, 01:59 PM
I would hope camming or any adult industry job isn't for long term financial gain. It seems more of an ideal job for people who have odd schedules due to school or being a young mother.

It would be wise, IMO to invest your time in actually obtaining a degree and a job with a non adult company so that someone could rise above only 30K a year and actually put themselves at least into the middle class category and not even have to do adult anything any longer.

The money made is not worth the risk and the headache, apparently. It seems there are other jobs that one can do with a college degree that are less of a headache but you make way more money and don't have to worry about paying your taxes, chargebacks, stalkers, getting raped, people finding out....etc...etc.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but camming is extremely flexible, convenient, and PERFECT for anyone with children or a disability, which is... most people.

"and not even have to do adult anything any longer." It is VERY clear you are in the WRONG industry! The girls who succeed are the ones who WANT to be in this industry & LOVE it.

I have undergraduate & graduate education. I'm young, I just recently turned 24. I had a long stable career (started at eighteen) in something else before which I still *can* do on the side but am taking a break from. I would still choose the adult industry over any of those any day.

amberose
12-14-2011, 02:17 PM
EVERY occupation has its pros and cons. I think it's very individual, as to how long somebody wants to be in the industry and if they get a college degree. "Less of a headache" is very subjective. There are women who make plenty of money camming and enjoy the perks of the job. I don't think it's fair to say that everyone should ultimately be going for a "conventional" job. Also, for certain occupations, a camming/stripping history could be a major barrier if found out, cam girls cannot rely on this coming up in a background check...I personally think it is easier just to accept that people might find out. I also don't believe that getting a college degree is mandatory. Yes, there are certain occupations that require a degree. But I think that people with money, creativity, drive and intelligence have other options as well, if they want to live well and do what they enjoy (for example, starting a business, not necessarily adult related, IF that's what they want to do).

To address your last notes...not wanting to do taxes is a silly reason, in my opinion, to avoid an occupation...you need to pay them anyway. Chargebacks are more of an issue for indy camgirls, and even then there are things you can do to help avoid it (but it can still be a headache, from my understanding) stalkers and getting raped is also an issue admittedly, but unfortunately this is true for all women, regardless of the occupation; the chances of this happening are increased for cam girls who's information is leaked. That's just a risk we take, but there are a lot of things we can do to help protect ourselves. I still don't think it's a super high risk unless you're giving out all your info. People finding out? Yes, that is a major drawback for some girls, which is why I would say for a girl who feels she cannot be found out, should not do it...for others, being "found out" is just something they accept.

EVERY occupation has it's drawbacks. So it's really up to the person weigh the pros and cons of various occupations.


I would hope camming or any adult industry job isn't for long term financial gain. It seems more of an ideal job for people who have odd schedules due to school or being a young mother.

It would be wise, IMO to invest your time in actually obtaining a degree and a job with a non adult company so that someone could rise above only 30K a year and actually put themselves at least into the middle class category and not even have to do adult anything any longer.

The money made is not worth the risk and the headache, apparently. It seems there are other jobs that one can do with a college degree that are less of a headache but you make way more money and don't have to worry about paying your taxes, chargebacks, stalkers, getting raped, people finding out....etc...etc.

Melonie
12-14-2011, 02:24 PM
^^^ indeed ! A related thread discussing the relative merits of Master's degrees was recently posted in Dollar Den



I would also add that any 'cost / benefit' analysis of pursuing a college degree today must also include an analysis of 'lost opportunity costs'. In other words, besides the direct costs of attending college i.e. tuition, books etc. there is also an indirect 'lost opportunity cost' that may actually be even larger. The point is that if attending college forces a dancer or camgirl to work fewer hours due to study time requirements, and as a result causes the dancer or camgirl to earn far less money than she would otherwise have been able to earn if those same hours were applied to dancing or camming, these 'lost opportunities for earnings' represent a very real additional cost of attending college.

KarinaGiselle
12-14-2011, 02:34 PM
Sure, but like someone else said: we gotta think about the future as well. Quite frankly, or at lesat in my case, I don't think I'll be able to cam forever once I reach a certain age since younger folks will take the scene. That's the reason why I'm going to college and I want to pursue a career out of the adult industry alongside camming/porn.

amberose
12-14-2011, 02:38 PM
Exactly, Melonie. It would take me another 6 years, going to school full time, to pursue my other career choice, not even counting the additional 2 years to become liscenced. That's 8 years total, then the beginning wages start at about $30,000, at which point I'd still be anywhere between $50,000 and $150,000 in debt because of grad school. So, I'd still be broke because of paying that off. Then, I'd probably only make between 30k and 40k for the first 10 years before finally starting my own business and working for myself. And there are so many others that do this. I don't want to wait 15+ years to make decent money, constantly worrying about how I'm going to make ends meet, and not having enough time to pursue camming very well.

But I can start making 30k a year NOW, if not more, PLUS work for myself and have my own business, plus not be in debt, and so many other things! Which is why I'm going to take a break from school, to really pursue this and make a good living from it.

I definitely don't look down on others who wish to pursue a degree, but likewise, they shouldn't look down on me either.

Personally, I don't plan on just doing camming forever, I plan to use the money I'm earning towards another business as well (most likely photography), the experience I will have gained camming will be just as helpful, if not more helpful, then a business degree, without the debt, assuming that I have continued to develop a variety of skills and knowledge. But if I decide at 30 or 35 that I still want to be a part of this industry, so be it!



^^^ indeed ! A related thread discussing the relative merits of Master's degrees was recently posted in Dollar Den

http://forum.stripperweb.com/showthread.php?t=167175

I would also add that any 'cost / benefit' analysis of pursuing a college degree today must also include an analysis of 'lost opportunity costs'. In other words, besides the direct costs of attending college i.e. tuition, books etc. there is also an indirect 'lost opportunity cost' that may actually be even larger. The point is that if attending college forces a dancer or camgirl to work fewer hours due to study time requirements, and as a result causes the dancer or camgirl to earn far less money than she would otherwise have been able to earn if those same hours were applied to dancing or camming, these 'lost opportunities for earnings' represent a very real additional cost of attending college.

LaurenAus
12-14-2011, 02:39 PM
Sure, but like someone else said: we gotta think about the future as well. Quite frankly, or at lesat in my case, I don't think I'll be able to cam forever once I reach a certain age since younger folks will take the scene. That's the reason why I'm going to college and I want to pursue a career out of the adult industry alongside camming/porn.

people have been saying you can cam for only so long..what is the camming scene like for women in their 30's, 40's and even 50's? I know there are some granny cammers but is there still money to be made for mature women? Thanks

KarinaGiselle
12-14-2011, 02:44 PM
people have been saying you can cam for only so long..what is the camming scene like for women in their 30's, 40's and even 50's? I know there are some granny cammers but is there still money to be made for mature women? Thanks

And that's exactly why I'm pursuing higher education. I'm 19 right now. Sure, I can cam pretty well and make 3kUSD a month. Awesome! But what will happen when I turn 40? Or 50? Even if I have savings, what if I went to grad school and got a masters or a Ph. D? Would I have had a better life quality? I'd rather not take chances about that and pursue something more solid as well. I like the adult industry, I enjoy the ieda, but I know the money won't last forever. And if it does, I'll be lucky.

But hey, I don't have to pay a dime for college tuition here (it's all paid by the government) so IDK, I guess 30k a year part time for a college student who only has to pay for the books is not bad... at all.

LaurenAus
12-14-2011, 02:47 PM
And that's exactly why I'm pursuing higher education. I'm 19 right now. Sure, I can cam pretty well and make 3kUSD a month. Awesome! But what will happen when I turn 40? Or 50? Even if I have savings, what if I went to grad school and got a masters or a Ph. D? Would I have had a better life quality?

But hey, I don't have to pay a dime for college tuition here (it's all paid by the government) so IDK, I guess 30k a year part time for a college student who only has to pay for the books is not bad... at all.

sigh jealous your tuition was paid for. I studied abroad which burned another hole in my pocket aside from regular student loans and I remember some European friends I made there from Finland were PAID to do an international exchange while I was racking up loans for it. Was I born in the wrong country?? LOL

ManyRoses
12-14-2011, 02:48 PM
There is actually a whole RANGE of "sex machines"...this industry is called "dildonics" (seriously!).

There are machines that let a man control a sybian-like dildo-on-a-wheel, but far more interestingly, there are machines that work with touch sensors, and have two parts, one for the man, one for the woman. The man one works like a fleshlight, and the woman has a dildo "controller" that lets her stroke/suck/manipulate it, and the sensors on the "fleshlight" register these movements and apply them. So it feels like you are actually stroking/sucking him. There are also "kissing" dildonics - fake tongues that work on the same "sensor" basis so it allows you to actually feel the other person "kissing" you.

This may be a part of the "future" of camming, but I pray to god it won't take over. I also don't think it will - not for any really considered reason, but just a gut feeling. It's also a helluva investment, and many guys don't WANT to control the girls. It would also be hella expensive and complex to set up the two-way systems, and probably not worth the pay off.

That said, even if this becomes more popular, I would not do it. Lordy lord no. The thought of actually "feeling" a strange guy, fucking or "kissing" me, makes me feel sick. Not to mention I know that my other half would NOT be ok with this, same as he would NOT be ok with me escorting. There is a line, and for me, that line is physical contact.

*Shudder.

KarinaGiselle
12-14-2011, 02:55 PM
sigh jealous your tuition was paid for. I studied abroad which burned another hole in my pocket aside from regular student loans and I remember some European friends I made there from Finland were PAID to do an international exchange while I was racking up loans for it. Was I born in the wrong country?? LOL

Like I said, public universities in Mexico are all subsidized by the government. There are private universities here (like the ITESM, which was opened by MIT graduates 80 years ago), but IMO they're not worth it unless you pursue an education in business (especially master degrees). Graduate schools have a tuition fee, but they are nothing compared to pay 50k+ a year at schools in the US. I NEVER understood why education is so expensive and exclusive in the US. I think it's actually unfair considering that tuition fees don't really help that much in covering the university's yearly expenses (For example, in MIT's yearly revenues, less than 10% of it comes fron tuition fees (http://web.mit.edu/facts/financial.html)), and IMO, it's unfair for the students who have the skills, but not the money to afford a high quality higher education.

GlamourRouge
12-14-2011, 03:06 PM
And that's exactly why I'm pursuing higher education. I'm 19 right now. Sure, I can cam pretty well and make 3kUSD a month. Awesome! But what will happen when I turn 40? Or 50? Even if I have savings, what if I went to grad school and got a masters or a Ph. D? Would I have had a better life quality? I'd rather not take chances about that and pursue something more solid as well. I like the adult industry, I enjoy the ieda, but I know the money won't last forever. And if it does, I'll be lucky.

Thats why you should wait til you retire from this industry, or are about to retire, to get a degree if you want to apply it to a job. Most jobs will look at your resume down the line and think you didn't want the job bad enough ig there''s a huge gap in time. These days, hiring managers are much more focused on how motivated the candidate is rather than anything else. That means no gaps on resumes and lots of relevant internships, or they'll just see the perfect opportunity to weed you out of the hundreds of qualified candidates applying for the same position.

ManyRoses
12-14-2011, 03:07 PM
It is IMPOSSIBLE to live in California or New York on 100/day. 100x5 = 500x4 = 2000 a month. That wouldnt even cover basic expenses like food, shelter, and transportation, let alone taxes

I must (respectfully! As always!) disagree with this.

A good friend of mine has an adorable apartment in hell's kitchen (right off Times Square for those that do not know NY well) for about $1000 a month inc bills. Its a great deal, but it is possible to get these!

That would leave $1000 to live on for a month. If you take out 25% for taxes and savings (like me!) then that would STILL leave you $500 a month to live on. Given that if you live downtown in NY, you basically don't pay for transport (I go to stay with my friend a few times a year, and it wasn't till my third trip that I even used the subway!) except the odd subway ride or cab. Say...$100 should cover transport and one-off expenses (if you have savings, then really BIG one-off expenses are taken out of that).

That would leave $400. $100 a week. That is what I currently budget to live off, and I eat well, have a decent social life, etc. Yes, you have to be conscious of it, and yes, you make choices about cheaper options (hanging out with friends at their homes, not going out on crazy nights out). I don't buy as many new clothes as a lot of people. I don't go on spending sprees. I am looking forward to the time when I am NOT dropping $1-2000 a month on tattoo equipment and debt repayment and I CAN be a little free-er with my money, but I'm not living an unhappy or particularly frugal life.

Besides, if it was absolutely not possible to live off $100 a day, then the vast majority of people living in new york on minimum wage jobs or small salaries wouldn't be there. The city would be emptied!! ;)

Rosemary Rabbit
12-14-2011, 03:09 PM
Ifriends had similar technology over ten years ago!! They called it "cyberdildonics" and it was a huge failure along with all the other bells and whistles they have tried to add over the years - the multiple camera angles, 3-D video (which i invested in a 3-d cam, made absolutely zero with the damn thing).


DAMN.

Thanks for the info! <3

vivianbear
12-14-2011, 03:10 PM
Im on a tab, so i cant find much about it
http://www.citouch.com/citouchstore.htm
Theres a sample...
Theres a version where the woman has a dildo
and the man has a fleshlight, they are active threw a program on
your computer.
Its VERY interactive "virtual" sex.
Almost to the point it flys by webcam fantasy, Into something
much more "serious".

It's called a "Diltron" and I own one. Don't get too excited, though. The inventor is a very brilliant man but the technology is far from flawless. It's still got a long way to go.

Sinistress
12-14-2011, 03:20 PM
In the "What is required to get started?" section, it says that purchasing the VSex machine is one of the requirements.

http://models.vsxlive.com/ (http://models.vsxlive.com/)



I realize that's what it says, but it's simple enough to look at the website and see that almost none of those girls working have the machine. In fact at best only 1-2 models are online at a time who do.

On top of that when you recieve the paperwork from this site it says OPTIONAL. Just sayin

Heres the wording from them

While you aren't required to, I would really encourage you to invest the small amount needed for a machine from us next and set yourself apart from regular cam girls right away.

KarinaGiselle
12-14-2011, 03:22 PM
Thats why you should wait til you retire from this industry, or are about to retire, to get a degree if you want to apply it to a job. Most jobs will look at your resume down the line and think you didn't want the job bad enough ig there''s a huge gap in time. These days, hiring managers are much more focused on how motivated the candidate is rather than anything else. That means no gaps on resumes and lots of relevant internships, or they'll just see the perfect opportunity to weed you out of the hundreds of qualified candidates applying for the same position.

Depends on the field and your location. At least in Computer Sciences and the IT industry, things are a bit more laid back regarding those things, and there's actually a lack of programmers! :P Which is better for me in the long run. And either way, I won't be able to get a real job in my profesison until I change my legal documents, which might take 4 years or more.

All I'm saying is, why just focus in one industry which can have many fluctuations and is somewhat unstable (adult stuff) when I can work in the two industries I'm interested in? I guess it varies here, but my situation is different than others.

GlamourRouge
12-14-2011, 03:22 PM
I must (respectfully! As always!) disagree with this.

A good friend of mine has an adorable apartment in hell's kitchen (right off Times Square for those that do not know NY well) for about $1000 a month inc bills. Its a great deal, but it is possible to get these!

That would leave $1000 to live on for a month. If you take out 25% for taxes and savings (like me!) then that would STILL leave you $500 a month to live on. Given that if you live downtown in NY, you basically don't pay for transport (I go to stay with my friend a few times a year, and it wasn't till my third trip that I even used the subway!) except the odd subway ride or cab. Say...$100 should cover transport and one-off expenses (if you have savings, then really BIG one-off expenses are taken out of that).

That would leave $400. $100 a week. That is what I currently budget to live off, and I eat well, have a decent social life, etc. Yes, you have to be conscious of it, and yes, you make choices about cheaper options (hanging out with friends at their homes, not going out on crazy nights out). I don't buy as many new clothes as a lot of people. I don't go on spending sprees. I am looking forward to the time when I am NOT dropping $1-2000 a month on tattoo equipment and debt repayment and I CAN be a little free-er with my money, but I'm not living an unhappy or particularly frugal life.

Besides, if it was absolutely not possible to live off $100 a day, then the vast majority of people living in new york on minimum wage jobs or small salaries wouldn't be there. The city would be emptied!! ;)

$400/month to live on?!? You say that included electric, heating, air conditioning, trash, water, & transportation. What about: food, laundry, cell phone, internet (I'm sure that's NOT included in the price), medical & dental, personal care items, unplanned expenses/injuries, etc. Things are much higher priced there. Especially in one of the top 2 most expensive cities in the United States.

I guess it IS possible if you never plan to have a family or even a pet, travel to see relatives/friends, never get sick or injured, never plan to need new clothing, never plan to wash the clothes or bedding you have, never need to visit the doctor and/or the dentist.

TheBrownFox
12-14-2011, 05:07 PM
I realize that's what it says, but it's simple enough to look at the website and see that almost none of those girls working have the machine. In fact at best only 1-2 models are online at a time who do.

On top of that when you recieve the paperwork from this site it says OPTIONAL. Just sayin

Heres the wording from them

While you aren't required to, I would really encourage you to invest the small amount needed for a machine from us next and set yourself apart from regular cam girls right away.



Yeah, I browsed a few rooms earlier today and didn't see models with the machine. I had just figured that the machines weren't in cam's view, and that the model would get to it once someone took her private.

And if it's really NOT a requirement, then they should just say that on the site on that information page for models (BEFORE signup). It should say that the machine is HIGHLY RECOMMENDED, but OPTIONAL. A lot of interested models may end up not signing up after all, because they don't want to pay $250 for a machine.

ManyRoses
12-14-2011, 05:09 PM
$400/month to live on?!? You say that included electric, heating, air conditioning, trash, water, & transportation. What about: food, laundry, cell phone, internet (I'm sure that's NOT included in the price), medical & dental, personal care items, unplanned expenses/injuries, etc. Things are much higher priced there. Especially in one of the top 2 most expensive cities in the United States.

I guess it IS possible if you never plan to have a family or even a pet, travel to see relatives/friends, never get sick or injured, never plan to need new clothing, never plan to wash the clothes or bedding you have, never need to visit the doctor and/or the dentist.

I'm not saying that it is EASY by any means! But it is absolutely possible! I can assume $1000 as a budget for ALL bills, rent plus anything not included in it. I gave my friend's apartment as an example of a great deal. If you just live a little further away, or with a roommate/boyfriend, you can definitely find a place that your rent plus bills (inc internet/cell phone/insurance) is $1000. Christ - if you are living with your partner, you could be paying as little as $500 a month for rent...and $500 for bills when you are splitting internet etc? That IS easy! :)

As for food and personal care, you do NOT need more than about $30-40 a week for that if you budget appropriately and shop cheaply. That's all I've ever needed, although its easier and more convenient if you have more. And laundry? Well, for two people, we currently do maybe 2-3 loads a week (including sheets and towels) and pay $3 a load. Not sure what it costs in any specific laundromat in NY, but even at $5 a load, with the bigger machines in laundromats, thats $10 a week. Leaving $50 a week for booze, treats, pet food/cat litter and clothes. Again - not easy, and definitely on a budget, but yeah, possible.

As for unplanned expenses - I did say that that is what your savings are for! Even in NY, 25% should leave you some leftovers after taxes that you can create a savings account with.

Trust me, I've lived in some of the most expensive cities in the world, and spent a long time in London (england, obviously) and Vancouver, both of which are ridiculously expensive, and I know that it is totally possible to live on even less than $500 a week. Of course, I would much rather have more than that and live a more comfortable life, go on vacations and treat myself more often...but you can do it.

Before I started working in the adult industry, back when I just got out of law school, I was supporting an asshole boyfriend (who kept spending money to the point that I would HIDE rent from him so we could pay it) and myself on a pittance - maybe 10K a year, if that. I learned how to live off nothing, and could eat for a week on $10 (and usually did).

You will have a less comfortable life in NYC for $100 a week than you would in, say, Minnesota....but it is possible.

TheBrownFox
12-14-2011, 05:31 PM
I would hope camming or any adult industry job isn't for long term financial gain. It seems more of an ideal job for people who have odd schedules due to school or being a young mother.

It would be wise, IMO to invest your time in actually obtaining a degree and a job with a non adult company so that someone could rise above only 30K a year and actually put themselves at least into the middle class category and not even have to do adult anything any longer.

The money made is not worth the risk and the headache, apparently. It seems there are other jobs that one can do with a college degree that are less of a headache but you make way more money and don't have to worry about paying your taxes, chargebacks, stalkers, getting raped, people finding out....etc...etc.


It kind of sounds like you're not very happy being in the adult industry. If you feel that way, that's fine, and you should look for something else. Not trying to sound rude. But many cam girls LOVE their job, and don't wish to go back to the regular 9 - 5 job dealing with bosses and whatnot.

If a cam girl is serious about her job and loves it, what's wrong with her wanting to keep at it for as long as possible? I think most people would dream of being able to work at home when they want, without being a slave of the workplace.

And like someone said earlier, there are pros and cons to every job. I'd think cam girls will be fine as long as they use common sense and not fall in love with every guy who spends $$$ on her. :P And also watching what she says in chat, and what info she gives out about herself.

CinnimonKiss
12-14-2011, 05:59 PM
OMFG that vsex.com fuck machine looks horrible to me, straight up RAPE ME BABY , shit...yuck...DO NOT LIKE 1 BIT !!!...

CinnimonKiss
12-14-2011, 06:10 PM
lol I say YUCK tho because honestly it grosses me out when I hear the guys talking, say if they turn on their cam kinda thing, and seeing the guys..unless there like fucking smoking hott young dude or something...hahahaha then I can watch and look at them ;)

Sinistress
12-14-2011, 06:30 PM
Well I dunno if I based the whole concept of my site around these machine I probably wouldn't want models to know they don't HAVE to have one either...but that's me. Then you'd just have a bunch of models who don't really intend on even getting one which defeats the whole point of the site. Besides that's currently what they already have. A bunch of models who don't have one.
I suppose your right it could be more clear.

As for just looking over the site to tell it's easy. When your in a models room who has the machine the controls pop up on the left side of the screen. Also for me atleast their names appear alittle different.They are also listed first

amiamour
12-14-2011, 06:50 PM
With all the "harder, bb" guys I get in my room, they would be beating the hell out of my vagina with that vsex thing. I would be so sore! More power to the girls who can take it though.

LusciousKatya
12-15-2011, 05:39 PM
Sorry to burst your bubble, but camming is extremely flexible, convenient, and PERFECT for anyone with children or a disability, which is... most people.

"and not even have to do adult anything any longer." It is VERY clear you are in the WRONG industry! The girls who succeed are the ones who WANT to be in this industry & LOVE it.

I have undergraduate & graduate education. I'm young, I just recently turned 24. I had a long stable career (started at eighteen) in something else before which I still *can* do on the side but am taking a break from. I would still choose the adult industry over any of those any day.

Amen to that!!!! I personally quit a very good lucrative job with all the perks (I am young too) to do camming full time. Why? Well for all the reasons GlamourRouge stated above. Not to mention all the stress I was in and never having time to do anything, literally. I worked full time and was going to school as well and have a little one. I am happier than I have ever been and stress free. :) Honestly I can't say that for any of my other jobs and I have been working before I was 18.

Melonie
12-16-2011, 03:58 AM
With all the "harder, bb" guys I get in my room, they would be beating the hell out of my vagina with that vsex thing. I would be so sore! More power to the girls who can take it though.

Truly, I don't even want to think about this future possibility !!! Just think of the 'occupational hazard' reports that might be generated.

BlakeDahlia
12-16-2011, 05:46 AM
I was interested in working for Vsex several months ago when I discovered the site. Personally, I think it sounds pretty cool. I was referred to a model who works there. She said there's not really enough traffic for it to be her main site but she did okay. She also said the machine is pretty gentle and you are in control of the depth of penetration, she assured me I wouldn't hurt myself.

There is also a way to get the machine for free if you sign up on the site and work it regularly for a month or so. But the machine only works with the Vsex software so unless you know someone who can rig it, you wouldn't be able to use it on any other site or even just for fun by yourself.

I also know a girl whose bf created a device that allows members to control her Hitachi while in a private. She said at first she figured the guys would just have it on full blast the whole time but she was pleasantly surprised and found that quite a few guys liked to tease her with it. I would say most of my customers are interested in seeing what I like and what feels good to me, it's only occasionally that I get a guy demanding that I turn my vibe on full blast and furiously fuck myself so that I will "cum faster." I usually berate these types of guys and let them know how ignorant they apparently are when it comes to pleasing a woman...maybe that's why I don't get so many of them.