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Spinnerette
12-16-2011, 11:26 PM
Smith changed his mind and has scheduled another hearing on Wednesday. He hopes the biggest detractors who were filibustering won't show because of holiday vacations. :/ Cheating asshole.
I read a comment somewhere that said Obama is on the MPAA's side as far as the message of "pirating is wrong" (which it is, but we all know that's not what this bill is really about) and will most likely sign the bill without a second thought if it gets to his desk. :(
There's 5 days between now and then though. Holding out hope that there's a trump card in here for the detractors to rise up and be heard loudly and clearly.
GlamourRouge
12-16-2011, 11:56 PM
Since when does the MPAA (Motion Picture Industry Association come BEFORE Homeland Security?!
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sweetsam
12-17-2011, 12:00 AM
Yeah that's ridiculous! Just think though of all the people who WONT vote for Obama next year after he does sign it. Curious though, someone posted on a comment that the Supreme Court would squash it because it is unconstitutional. Think that would happen?
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LusciousKatya
12-17-2011, 12:05 AM
Yeah that's ridiculous! Just think though of all the people who WONT vote for Obama next year after he does sign it. Curious though, someone posted on a comment that the Supreme Court would squash it because it is unconstitutional. Think that would happen?
That sounds like a good possibility since it most of SOPA is unconstitutional.
Melonie
12-17-2011, 12:27 AM
the Supreme Court would squash it because it is unconstitutional
That sounds like a good possibility since it most of SOPA is unconstitutional
Risking running afoul of the SW 'politics ban', let me say this. The claims of unconstitutionality in regard to SOPA aren't much different from the claims of unconstitutionality regarding US National Health Care or US federal immigration policy trumping new state immigration enforcement laws. Thus if SOPA is passed, regardless of the eventual outcome on the constitutionality question, it's highly likely that at least a couple of years will be required before the Supreme Court actually addresses the constitutionality questions.
In the meantime, it's highly probable that, like US National Health Care or US federal immigration policy, the new requirements of SOPA will 'hang over the heads' of the websites that will potentially be affected. This in turn will prompt 'defensive measures' to be put in place by those websites ( i.e. self-censorship ) as soon as SOPA is passed. And those 'defensive measures' will almost certainly have an immediate effect on camgirls.
If one of those 'defensive measures' is the creation of brick and mortar webcam host owned and operated cam studios in major cities, even if the Supreme Court winds up overturning SOPA two or three years down the road, the investment made by the webcam hosts in creating those cam studios will not be 'thrown away' ... i.e. even if 'cam from home' risks of SOPA violations vanish with a Supreme Court ruling in 2014, it's highly doubtful that webcam hosts that have already transitioned to a cam studio based business model will shut down those cam studios and return to today's 'cam from home' business model. And this is even more probable given the increasing problem of HD bandwidth costs that webcam hosts are currently experiencing as the result of the deluge of new camgirls, many of which aren't capable of generating enough paid sales to 'pay for' the free advertising bandwidth bills they are creating for their webcam host ( which can be totally avoided if the webcam host gets to personally 'audition' every studio camgirl before 'hiring' her ).
And from a financial standpoint, webcam host profit margins are highly likely to increase significantly if the total number of camgirl video streams can be cut by, say, a factor of 5 or 10 while the total paid webcam sales are only cut by a factor of 2 or 3. This may also be very profitable for the studio camgirls who are able to 'make the cut' and be hired by the webcam hosts. But it could obviously wind up being 'terminally' bad news for existing camgirls who can't 'make the cut' or who don't live close enough to major cities to make working from a brick and mortar cam studio a viable option. Again, this is likely to take on many of the properties of the existing strip club / exotic dancer business model.
Just think though of all the people who WONT vote for Obama next year after he does sign it
In reality, signing SOPA will draw 'Star Power' endorsements from Hollywood celebrities, will draw huge campaign contributions from movie, record, entertainment industry uber-rich etc. On the flip side you've got, what, 100,000 US camgirls and a few thousand website owners ... who are typically not supportive of conservative / republican candidates in any case. Again risking the politics ban, but from a 'quid-pro-quo' standpoint the adult entertainment industry ( outside of major adult video producers and cable tv franchisees offering adult PPV ) will unquestionably be 'sold down the river' in a New York minute in regard to SOPA because the 'powers that be' don't see any net downside in doing so. I'll probably get in trouble for saying this, but a similar point has been repeatedly been made in regard to America's black voters ... who typically are less than 5% supportive of any conservative / republican candidates ... and thus have near zero 'real world' policy influence since the 'powers that be' don't see any net downside if policies are followed that are detrimental to the interests of said American black voters. Again the basic point is that camgirls and webcam hosts are WAY down the list on the issue of SOPA ... to the point where all they can do is 'go along for the ride'.
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MiaCherri
12-17-2011, 02:30 AM
"SOPA has NOT been postponed to 2012! The Committee members who support SOPA quietly changed the hearing date to the 21st, trying to trick the American people into thinking it was over for the year. This is dirty politics and should be illegal. Fight back. Let them know this is not over."
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20111216/11102617108/sopa-markup-runs-out-time-likely-delayed-until-2012.shtml?r
FUCKING ASSHOLES!
Melonie
12-17-2011, 04:42 AM
^^^ here's some additional feedback on the latest hearing revisions i.e. SOPA 2.0
(snip)Section 105, which supposedly grants "immunity" to service providers for taking voluntary action to stop infringement. The true impact of this section was only made clear by Rep. Polis' attempt to limit it, as he highlighted how this broad immunity would likely lead to abuse. That's because this section says that anyone who takes voluntary action "based on credible evidence": basically gets full immunity. Think about what that means in practice. If someone sends a service provider a notice claiming infringement on the site under this bill [ without legal proof that infringement is actually taking place - sic ], the first thing every lawyer will tell them is "quick, take voluntary action to cut them off, so you get immunity." Even worse, since this is just about immunity, there are no counternotice rules or anything requiring any process for those cut off to be able to have any redress whatsoever.(snip)
(snip)"End result: SOPA 2.0 contains a crazy scary clause that's going to make it crazy easy to cut off websites with no recourse whatsoever. And this part isn't just limited to payment providers/ad networks -- but to service providers, search engines and domain registrars/registries as well. Yes. Search engines. So you can send a notice to a search engine, and if they want to keep their immunity, they have to take the actions in either Section 102(c)(2) or 103(c)(2), which are basically all of the "cut 'em off, block 'em" remedies. That's crazy. This basically encourages search engines to disappear sites upon a single notice. It encourages domain registries to kill domains based on notices. With no recourse at all [ for the blocked websites - sic ], because the providers have broad immunity [ from civil damages lawsuits by the blocked websites - sic ]"(snip)
I would add that another result of the markup was a change to make US websites exempt from SOPA ... meaning that it now only applies to non-US based websites ( and non-US based content ). On the face of it, this would mean that US based webcam hosts who only allow US based camgirl video streams can avoid the effects of SOPA 2.0 altogether. However, US based websites with foreign 'content' can still be banned for supposed copyright violations by another method ... serving notice with the US Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, who have legal authority to 'seize property' ... in this case website domain names !
(snip)"as of Monday, SOPA no longer applies to US sites. But that's not good news. Because if he's a US site, then he's already subject to bogus seizures by the government, by which his web site could totally disappear for over a year with no due process whatsoever. Actually, no matter where he is physically, his site -- as a dot com -- is already subject to that kind of censorship. Even without SOPA. All someone has to do is convince a somewhat clueless Immigrations & Customs Enforcement official that his site has lots of infringing content on it -- even if it does not. "(snip)
These changes clearly speak toward the 'protectionism' speculations posted about earlier.
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jasmine22
12-17-2011, 04:54 AM
Now if people can't access porn sites what does this mean for men in America? Do we really know for sure porn is blocked in china? I could see Facebook and YouTube being blocked or pirate porn sites but webcam is just live streaming. We would have to see how the law is worded as far as is music in background copyright infringement or not? I think if the USA blocked Facebook and YouTube we could have riots. I'm serious, it's taking away our freedoms.
MissKatie
12-17-2011, 10:12 AM
Wtf does this mean for the UK??
ugh wtf lol this motivates me to cam every day, all day and save up my money, right about NOW. just incase this bill gets passed.
sweetsam
12-21-2011, 08:17 PM
So today is Wednesday, I can't find any links saying that they went ahead with a private meeting. So I am thinking based on the links I have found that it is postponed until 2012, and also that more anti-sopa protesters are coming out against this! Links below :)
http://njtoday.net/2011/12/21/committee-action-on-controversial-internet-censorship-bill-delayed/
http://gizmodo.com/5870121/how-to-sidestep-this-sopa-nonsense-entirely
http://www.hispanicbusiness.com/2011/12/21/mythbuster_says_sopa_danger_confirmed.htm
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/arts-post/post/anti-sopa-advocates-and-obama-girl-creator-combat-bill-through-song-boycott/2011/12/21/gIQA7knb9O_blog.html
lolabunny
12-21-2011, 08:59 PM
UGH! Looks like I'll be camming my ass off now....I just started and already this bs? smh....Time to move :( this country is just going down the drain....mistake after mistake too much damn greed and for what?!