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Doc Holliday
12-30-2011, 09:51 PM
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unbeleavable
12-30-2011, 09:53 PM
& your doing that on $60?

Doc Holliday
12-30-2011, 10:02 PM
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unbeleavable
12-30-2011, 10:04 PM
So you spent more on the wine than the woman? really...

Doc Holliday
12-30-2011, 10:15 PM
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unbeleavable
12-30-2011, 10:18 PM
Please find out who you are before entering a club because you are waisting peoples time...

Doc Holliday
12-30-2011, 10:20 PM
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The Jackal
12-30-2011, 10:31 PM
I think it is more difficult to be a bad boy than a good boy.

Doc Holliday
12-30-2011, 11:12 PM
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Doc Holliday
12-30-2011, 11:20 PM
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whirlerz
12-31-2011, 12:46 AM
This thread hurts my head. So. Delusional. Same. Thing. Over n' Over:O

yoda57us
12-31-2011, 08:24 AM
Yes. I was raised by five women. I am the nice guy who finishes last. My goal this year was to become the bad guy. I started MMA training, bought a motorcycle, got back on drugs, and chased strippers with no plans of spending a lot of money. But, I'm still the nice guy and made a mess of a lot of it. I'm not really 'that' guy I was trying to be. Some of the strippers I never care to see again. Some, like the one last night, I owe a lot to.

And I'm the nice guy who has a blast with dancers and even manages to date a few without breaking the bank ITC. You are what you make yourself Doc.



I also want to add I may have spent more on this dancer than the $60 (or 1/3 her bottle of wine) I did, had I trust her. But despite our off-hours time together and eight month past, I still don't know if I am a friend or an ATM (and a very bad one at that).

That's easy, you are a customer...


Another dancer, I routinely spend over twice as much on and three times as frequently and never felt guilty. Why? Because I trust her; she's the most honest dancer out of the 11 in my contacts and probably out of the 200 or so I met! I have literally given her my wallet to pay for things and left for the bathroom or car more than once.

It's a big leap on both sides-for a dancer to trust a customer or for a customer to trust a dancer. Keep in mind, it doesn't mean things will go any further.


The first dancer, I really don't know why I don't trust her. She has never given me a reason not to. After I left last night, we texted back and forth, I apologized for being uptight, she told me not to worry about it and she'd see me next time, and then I realized I probably am a friend. No dancer is going to waste her time on some customer for just $60 once a month or less.

What makes you say this? $60 is $60 Doc. A good dancer wants everybody's money. There are variables that will determine how much of her ITC devotion you get based on what you spend but, trust me, she wants your sixty bucks!


I'll go back, buy a VIP, and dancers?despite what she tells me it is what is the minimum I should pay compared to the VIP bottle (which she gets no money from)? It's at least a $130 (+26 tip) bottle of wine to go into VIP, but I hated the wine and will buy something I like this time even if it's more. Or maybe I should suck it up and drink whatever she wants. Basically, how should I make up a bad night?

Spend more money...

Seriously Doc you are getting way too hung-up on the mechanics and the minutia here. You are trying to force something to happen. You can't. You need patience youngin'.

What exactly are you trying to make happen with these girls?

Doc Holliday
12-31-2011, 08:28 AM
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The Jackal
12-31-2011, 08:35 AM
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You are trying to force something to happen. You can't.
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That is a disgusting outlook for a man. A real man makes things happen. You are a clinically depressed fellow.

yoda57us
12-31-2011, 08:57 AM
I have no idea. But you cleared it up. The $60 was fine. No need to spend more.

LOL, yeah, whatever....

Actually your $60 number ties into an interesting sittuation I went through for a couple of years. I used to go to this one club where I somehow managed to break my rule of only one fav per club. I wound up with six gals that I regularly spent $60 bucks each on-dances where $15 a piece at the time so each dancer got four dances. Six girls, same money, six very different outcomes...

Dancer 1. Moved to another club early on. She felt there was too much competition at the club among the Brazilian dancers and she was right.
I was actually relieved because it meant I could visit her and not have to worry about other girls getting PO'd if I didn't spend on them. As a result she got more than $60 a visit after she changed clubs...

Dancer 2. Very sexy, loved to tease me and always pushed the envelope. Always complained about guys who tried to ask her out. I was still married back then so I wasn't going to go there anyway but she appreciated the fact that I didn't. Left dancing when she got pregnant. I haven't seen her in years...

Dancer 3. Nice girl but she always tried to get more than the $60. Always asking me to pay her house fee or tip the DJ for her. She also committed the cardinal sin of lying to me about potential OTC. She moved to Florida for a year but when she came back and started calling me to come see her I blew her off. Don't lie to me about OTC.

Dancer 4. Sexy, beautiful, we would talk all afternoon for that $60 if I went in on a slow day. Never lied to my face but I found out after she went back home to Brazil a few months ago that she was terrorizing other dancers and telling them to stay away form her customers...including me. Very disappointing...but if she came back tomorrow I would probably still pay to have her dance for me. What's the Bon Jovi song? Bad Medicine! We want what we want.

Dancer 5. Very nice girl but very jealous of the other girls. She met me first so she thought that she should be the only one getting my money. Made a ton of money, bought a supermarket back in Brazil and went home to run it...

Dancer 6. I met her on her first day as a dancer. She was friends with dancer #3. She couldn't even speak English, her friend had to ask me to do a dance with her. I was her first customer six years ago and I still see her three clubs later. I spend more than $60 now ITC but we are also friendly OTC. She's one of only two girls who have told me, on more than one occasion that it's OK to stop in on a slow day even if I'm broke to say hello for a few minutes. I would never do it but the invitation says a lot about defining that friendship/respect line.

See Doc, it's about the money but it's about the people involved too. The only absolute is that there are no absolutes.

yoda57us
12-31-2011, 08:58 AM
That is a disgusting outlook for a man. A real man makes things happen. You are a clinically depressed fellow.

A real man doesn't waste time trying to tell others how to lead their lives...

Doc Holliday
12-31-2011, 09:42 AM
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rickdugan
12-31-2011, 09:53 AM
Is there anybody even moderating Customer Conversation anymore? Seriously, how has this section devolved to this?

When I started on SW, which was not all that long ago, this used to be a fairly interesting section with some lively debates. Now it has turned into a place filled with nonsense posted by the likes of a man-child, a bonified jackass and a guy with dubious credentials who posts whiney and/or simplistic crap about his relationship with the dancer who he is purportedly dating.

Yoda, will you just take the damned job already?! :)

Doc Holliday
12-31-2011, 10:24 AM
Yeah, I seriously need to stop posting in this section.

whirlerz
12-31-2011, 11:02 AM
Is there anybody even moderating Customer Conversation anymore? Seriously, how has this section devolved to this?

When I started on SW, which was not all that long ago, this used to be a fairly interesting section with some lively debates. Now it has turned into a place filled with nonsense posted by the likes of a man-child, a bonified jackass and a guy with dubious credentials who posts whiney and/or simplistic crap about his relationship with the dancer who he is purportedly dating.

Yoda, will you just take the damned job already?! :)

^:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:Rick, you so KILL me sometimes;)

lopaw
12-31-2011, 12:07 PM
Is there anybody even moderating Customer Conversation anymore? Seriously, how has this section devolved to this?

When I started on SW, which was not all that long ago, this used to be a fairly interesting section with some lively debates. Now it has turned into a place filled with nonsense posted by the likes of a man-child, a bonified jackass and a guy with dubious credentials who posts whiney and/or simplistic crap about his relationship with the dancer who he is purportedly dating.

Yoda, will you just take the damned job already?! :)


No lie.
This place is becoming downright depressing. It's making TUSCL seem rational, which is pretty hard to do. At least over there you know what to expect, and are never disappointed.

Someone please ring me when things here return to normal. I'll be in VIP with a tall brunette ;)

yoda57us
12-31-2011, 12:22 PM
Is there anybody even moderating Customer Conversation anymore? Seriously, how has this section devolved to this?

Someone must be, they deleted all of Doc's posts...:O


When I started on SW, which was not all that long ago, this used to be a fairly interesting section with some lively debates. Now it has turned into a place filled with nonsense posted by the likes of a man-child, a bonified jackass and a guy with dubious credentials who posts whiney and/or simplistic crap about his relationship with the dancer who he is purportedly dating.

Eh, I know it's a bit of a looney bin right now but I have been around for quite a while and it's just a natural cycle. Sometimes CC is great, sometimes it's boring and sometimes it's unreadable. It's been a nice run for a while and that's due partially to the fact that blue has been lame for a while now. That's actually part of the problem. Most of these offensive idiots should actually be posting in blue. They are finding their way into CC and dumbing down the post quality...


Yoda, will you just take the damned job already?! :)

I'm flattered rick but, first of all, no one is offering. Someone or a group of someones is moderating in some form or fashion. I've never quite figured out how strict the moderation is supposed to be in CC. I'm not sure what I would do differently. I know one thing for sure, I wouldn't be able to have nearly as much fun verbally smacking guys like Bem and Jackal around if I was a mod so I can't imagine it would be much fun...

rickdugan
12-31-2011, 12:36 PM
^Actually, in a rare show of good sense, I think that Doc is actually self deleting.

But as to the other stuff, perhaps you could circle back and accept one of the historical offers if it might still be on the table? It is very possible that one has not been offered more recently because you've declined in the past. You and I may not agree on a number of things, but you've got a level head and will also jump upon nonsense, both of which, in my humble and completely unsolicited opinion, would make good qualities in a Mod for CC.

We've had some pretty bad stuff go up recently, including personal dancer details that sat up there for days before they were finally taken down. I think that whoever is currently designated to Mod this section is simply too busy with other things. While I know that you are also busy, you do pop in a lot and would be able to respond sooner.

Anyway, I'm not trying to get involved in internal SW management matters or to push you to accept something that you do not want, but IMHO a little more hands-on oversight (by you or someone else) of this section would go a long way.

Anyway, enough from me on that stuff.

yoda57us
12-31-2011, 12:49 PM
^Actually, in a rare show of good sense, I think that Doc is actually self deleting.


Yeah, I know, that was me trying to be clever...:)

yoda57us
12-31-2011, 02:40 PM
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LOL, looks like one of Doc's dancer friends found him....

unbeleavable
12-31-2011, 06:03 PM
Doc just a heads up....deleting is not good. I like you because of how real you want to be compared to the Jackass which we know is a reincarnation of one of his characters, which Hindi's believe in:)

The Jackal
12-31-2011, 08:23 PM
After reading the last post from our resident bouncer (aka moron), I am convinced that this section is for idiots like himself.

This will be my last post in the customer section.

unbeleavable
12-31-2011, 08:32 PM
Thank you...money refunded!

yoda57us
12-31-2011, 08:36 PM
This will be my last post in the customer section.

Promise?

iDontGoPrivate
12-31-2011, 09:23 PM
Is there anybody even moderating Customer Conversation anymore? Seriously, how has this section devolved to this?


My guess would be folks paying far too much attention to way too many Trolls; especially the ones who make multiple accounts, then play the "oh that was my friend, not me" game.

unbeleavable
12-31-2011, 09:24 PM
Are you with the sandwich guy?

iDontGoPrivate
12-31-2011, 10:02 PM
Are you with the sandwich guy?

No; I don't like ham, and I don't debate math.

unbeleavable
12-31-2011, 10:12 PM
I know dude...I just playing...

lolabunny
01-01-2012, 12:16 PM
YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME! LOL YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!...The nerve of this guy..#1 Stripping is a job!...Ummmmm....Trying to make money here, the last thing on any stripper's mind is to fuck a loser like you lol

Kellydancer
01-01-2012, 12:48 PM
I know most strippers(myself included esp) don't give a fuck about management's friends. Those are the worse. They think bc they are friends with the managers, they can act/do whatever they want. Um, no.

I don't care to hook up with anyone who has ties to the business. You already know, total player right there too. No Thx.

Strippers are very hard to get. Don't forget we get hit on constantly. Blah. Unless you have something mega special to bring to the table, don't bother. And I agree, any girl can be boring or exciting...has nothing to do with being a stripper or not. ;)

All of the customers need to read this. Seriously, I don't understand this whole logic about wanting to date strippers because non strippers are boring. Really? Interesting because when stripping was a full time job I was very boring outside of the club. I'd come home and get into sweats and no make up and tie my hair back. I would do very non stripping things. As for sex, which is where I think some of these guys are going I was far more sexual before I got into stripping. Usually during stripping I was either dating one guy or not interested in anyone at all.

Also, like Vyanka mentioned, I hated the "friends of the manager" guys. I never dated these sleazeballs. None of these guys would have been partners and I knew they only saw me if anything as sexual partners. I had no interest in any of them sexually and most of these guys were ugly inside and out. I only dated two guys in the industry: a bouncer and a DJ. The bouncer was a nice guy and we split as friends. Years later I ran into him and he introduced me to his wife. The DJ was a con artist and really messed up my mind for years and to this day I still have issues trusting men because of him. I did date a customer (which I have mentioned before many times)but never when I was dancing at a club.

yoda57us
01-01-2012, 01:19 PM
Seriously, I don't understand this whole logic about wanting to date strippers because non strippers are boring. Really? Interesting because when stripping was a full time job I was very boring outside of the club. I'd come home and get into sweats and no make up and tie my hair back. I would do very non stripping things. As for sex, which is where I think some of these guys are going I was far more sexual before I got into stripping.

Guys are fascinated by the aura of the strip club and the out-front sexuality that dancers exhibit as part of the job. Most dancers don't act like that once they wash the make-up off and go home. I had lunch with my ATF the other day and, trust me, no one in that restaurant would ever guess that she was an exotic dancer. With no make-up on and wearing sweats and sneakers she looks like any woman would walking through the mall. The thing is, the reason we do things like have lunch together is because her non-stripperfied self is what I really like about her and she knows it.

I also agree that there is some sort of mythical belief that strippers are better in bed than non strippers. This manifests itself both with guys looking for dates and with guys trying for paid OTC who say they would never think of hiring an escort. I've never quite figured out what the assumption is based on other than simply lusting after the hot naked woman who is in front of you. I'm not saying the sex won't be great, just that there is no guarantee. I can actually understand it more from the P4P guys as there is something to be said for at least meeting and chatting with a girl before you pay her for sex. The guys who want a girl friend or think that a strip club is a good place to pick up a one night stand however are just plain clueless...

Kellydancer
01-01-2012, 03:32 PM
Once again Yoda is correct. If one met me in real life no one would guess I was a stripper. I've had people think I was a teacher, a librarian and even a nun! No one would guess I was a stripper. When I wear a suit (usually for work or job interview)I look like a professional woman.

Swagz
01-05-2012, 03:47 PM
If you are a glutton for punishment, who am I to judge.


http://5secondfilms.com/watch/glutton_for_punishment

unbeleavable
01-05-2012, 04:00 PM
LOL...very good.

stawj
01-20-2012, 02:55 AM
OP. Just go, spend money, and leave. Repeat this till until the magic works

Was this post meant to be sarcastic? Because I found that this actually happened with my fav.

Disclaimer: I was happy just being a customer and not expecting any "magic" to work but the "magic" did happen much to my surprise ...

KeithDoxen
01-20-2012, 07:14 AM
Guys are fascinated by the aura of the strip club and the out-front sexuality that dancers exhibit as part of the job.

Yup. There's a quote from "The Godfather" (I think) where Don Corleone makes the point that there's money in prostitution because men are simply buying things that are denied them by the Church (i.e., no-strings-attached sex with a woman of their choosing). I think that this logic sort of applies to the appeal of strip clubs. Men go to strip clubs to experience an environment where they are surrounded by beautiful women acting their most sexual. This contrasts with normal, everyday life, where society's norms prevent such outward and assertive displays of sexuality, especially by women.

Natalllia
01-20-2012, 11:47 AM
Was this post meant to be sarcastic? Because I found that this actually happened with my fav.

Disclaimer: I was happy just being a customer and not expecting any "magic" to work but the "magic" did happen much to my surprise ...

I doubt he was being sarcastic. That is pretty much how it works in a strip club- you keep spending, she'll keep giving you attention. It probably won't get him a girlfriend, or even sex, because it's a fucking STRIP CLUB. Why do so many men seem to think we go to work every night because we have trouble meeting men on our own? It's not a goddamn singles club, for Christ's sake. I mean, he might be able to buy some "extras" services, because we all know that happens in most clubs from time to time. But OP, if you're even still here and weren't trolling to begin with (that's a BIG "if"), you're not going to get a stripper to date you by acting like some jackass PUA at her work place. You're just not.

So take flyguy's (presumably) non-sarcastic advice, and go spend lots of money and have a good time. There's nothing wrong with being a customer - we LIKE customers. Waaaaaaaaay more than we like pathetic time-wasting wannabe PUAs.

bucket2
01-20-2012, 12:10 PM
Yup. There's a quote from "The Godfather" (I think) where Don Corleone makes the point that there's money in prostitution because men are simply buying things that are denied them by the Church (i.e., no-strings-attached sex with a woman of their choosing). I think that this logic sort of applies to the appeal of strip clubs. Men go to strip clubs to experience an environment where they are surrounded by beautiful women acting their most sexual. This contrasts with normal, everyday life, where society's norms prevent such outward and assertive displays of sexuality, especially by women.

Men may start going to SC's initially for these reasons but in the end they will return because they're either married or lonely. It's not insulting when dancers say this it's simply the truth.

yoda57us
01-20-2012, 05:50 PM
Was this post meant to be sarcastic? Because I found that this actually happened with my fav.

Disclaimer: I was happy just being a customer and not expecting any "magic" to work but the "magic" did happen much to my surprise ...

Sarcastic? Maybe a little but there is generally some truth in sarcasm. If you hit it off with a dancer that's great. No one is saying it never happens...well, at least I'm not. The OP was talking about setting out to visit clubs with the sole intention of finding dating material and not spending any money on dancers at their place of employment. What happened to you is luck.


But OP, if you're even still here and weren't trolling to begin with (that's a BIG "if"), you're not going to get a stripper to date you by acting like some jackass PUA at her work place. You're just not.


LOL, the loser was banned...what a shame!

yoda57us
01-20-2012, 05:50 PM
Men may start going to SC's initially for these reasons but in the end they will return because they're either married or lonely.

Or both...

roast
01-20-2012, 06:12 PM
Did... did Doc Holiday run screaming from SW once unbeleav and yoda were appointed mods? Havent seen him since. Maybe his new years resolution was to embrace honesty so it is ok. Unless he is like BeetleJuice and Im 1/3 of the way there of summoning him from the depths.

yoda57us
01-20-2012, 07:45 PM
I told him to Google coconut oil and that was the last we've heard from him...:shrug:

unbeleavable
01-21-2012, 10:00 AM
Did... did Doc Holiday run screaming from SW once unbeleav and yoda were appointed mods? Havent seen him since. Maybe his new years resolution was to embrace honesty so it is ok. Unless he is like BeetleJuice and Im 1/3 of the way there of summoning him from the depths.

LOL..I'm sure he is around.