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rickdugan
01-01-2012, 08:12 PM
As I sit here and think of the various dicey activities that I engaged in with dancers during 2011, one thing that sticks out in my mind is the downtrending in the ages of the girls that are offering up alternative services.

I am not sure how to feel about this. For many years, the girls that I engaged in edgier activities with were at least in their mid to late 20s and, since I was 40 and under myself, I didn't think much of it. However, I am now getting older while, at the same time, the girls offering these things are getting younger. Shit, some of the girls that made offers to me in 2011 were not old enough to drink, while I am 41.

This changing dynamic is starting to give me pause. If I was 50 and they were 30, then I doubt that I would care so much, but at 19 or 20 most girls know so little about life and their options that it makes me wonder how informed their choices really are. The sad aspect to this is that many of them have never seen this business any other way than it is today. It is quite conceivable that the young ones that work in dirtier clubs may very well just assume that this is the way that these things work.

Anyway, in 2012 I think that I will need to set a higher minimum age standard for my dicier activities. I simply no longer feel comfortable messing around with a girl who is not only young enough to be my daughter (albeit I would have needed to have her at 21 or 22), but is also too young to make decisions with her eyes wide open. :-\

Anyway, just my :twocents: fwiw.

yoda57us
01-01-2012, 08:44 PM
I know how you feel rick. I've gone through it myself as I have aged. When I started going to clubs regularly in my late 20's most of the dancers I liked were in their early 20's. As I got older I found the gap got a little wider but it leveled off at about 15 years. I'm 54 now and I rarely have anything to do with dancers who are any younger than their mid to late 30's.

About five years ago I was in a club that I hadn't been to in a while. I was approached by a very pretty dancer and we eventually wound up in the dance room. She took her top off and started to dance a bit even though we were going to wait for the next song to start. For some reason she mentioned that she was 19 years old (the same age as my daughter at the time). I was a bit surprised as I had figured her for at least 24 or 25. In any event, when she asked if I wanted topless or nude I was just too creeped-out to even think about a girl that young grinding my crotch naked. I did one topless dance with her and stopped. I became a semi regular at that club for a while but I never did another dance with her again. Understand, she was very nice but it was a definite issue for me.

Same goes for escorts. My ATF escort is 38 years old. Another regular is 39. I do see some gals in their mid to late 20' when I travel but I get repulsed when I read threads on TER about guys my age looking for 18 and 19 year old escorts. Back in the 80's when I was picking up street walkers most of them were in that age group and very few of them really had a handle on what they were involved in.

rickdugan
01-01-2012, 09:14 PM
^It will be interesting to see how my views continue to change as I get older, but for quite some time my sweet spot has been mid to late 20s. It was an easy decision to make, in part, because, until more recent times, the old maxim about the youngest dancers being the least likely to engage in p4p usually held true IME.

This weird shift in the dynamics over the last couple of years has forced me (and I assume others) to confront this issue. IME, incidents of younger dancers offering these types of services are simply becoming much more prevalent.

yoda57us
01-01-2012, 09:50 PM
This weird shift in the dynamics over the last couple of years has forced me (and I assume others) to confront this issue. IME, incidents of younger dancers offering these types of services are simply becoming much more prevalent.

Agreed and, as you said in your first post, a lot of younger girls have never seen it any other way. The incidence of extras has been steadily rising in all clubs for years now and at the same time the business has gotten more cut-throat. New girls always watch and emulate what the established girls do. If all they see are extras ITC and girls setting up OTC encounters they think that's how it's done without really understanding that there are other ways to make money in strip clubs.

rlams2000
01-02-2012, 07:45 AM
I will be 54 soon and this has been a small issue for me for a few years now. More often than not I find myself buying dances from dancers that are thirty something or at least in their late twenties.

_natasha
01-02-2012, 11:30 AM
I'm 20. Just because I'm young doesn't mean I'm not worldly wise. I've danced since I was 18 and naive and never done extras. I make a good living the clean way. The girls that know little about their options are stupid, not young... Just sayin'. It's not all about age, it's about how much they have going on upstairs.

I'm not claiming that I know everything either - just enough to get me by for now. :)

yoda57us
01-02-2012, 12:00 PM
I'm 20. Just because I'm young doesn't mean I'm not worldly wise. I've danced since I was 18 and naive and never done extras. I make a good living the clean way. The girls that know little about their options are stupid, not young... Just sayin'. It's not all about age, it's about how much they have going on upstairs.

I'm not claiming that I know everything either - just enough to get me by for now. :)

That's the right attitude natasha and your right, it's certainly not just a component of age.

lopaw
01-02-2012, 06:36 PM
I have also noticed the younger dancers are definitely up for more than their predecessors. When I first started clubbing not that many dancers had ever even danced for another woman, much less provided any "extras" for us. Nowadays the younger the dancer, the freakier she is.
A sign of the times, I suppose.

I often get dances with 18-19 yo's, but I haven't let the age thing become a factor YET. Give me a few more years and then I'll re-address it. ;D

Coastie Joe
01-03-2012, 07:38 AM
Not a big fan of the big meat curtains so I do enjoy the younger gals now and again. I used to go to a place in Providence. Every gal in the place except for the Bar maid had a C-section scar and what I call Watoosie tits. Their tits looked like a baseball in the end of a toob sock
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Hey I guess I do support single moms..............

yoda57us
01-03-2012, 08:12 AM
To be fair the whole "new wave" of extras dancers is certainly not confined to younger dancers. As the clubs have gotten more tolerant of extras dancers in all age groups have chosen one path or another.

What makes me gravitate towards the older ladies is a sense of connection as much as anything else. I really don't have much to talk about with 20 somethings to begin with and, since my mid to late 30's favs are all still dancing and looking as beautiful as ever I don't have much reason to go shopping around.

That being said, As the father of a very intelligent and together 24 year old woman I do not intend for any of this to sound like a slam against younger girls. Fact is, I have been pleasantly surprised at the level of intelligence and maturity displayed here by several members of SW who I later found out were in their very early 20's.

It's really a personal preference for me as much as anything. I'm not trying to indict younger dancers any more than others here may be trying to paint older dancers with too broad of a brush. We all like what we like but it seems from what I'm reading here that, as we age, what we like goes through some changes.

Doc Holliday
01-03-2012, 08:48 AM
The dancers are no younger/older than the girls I date. Except the runaway, she was too young to drink, and come to think of it, I haven't even talked to someone that young since.

As far as maturity, I dated a woman fourteen years older than me who was less mature than some girls nine years younger than me. Age is a number, some people gain experience quicker than others.


That being said, As the father of a very intelligent and together 24 year old woman I do not intend for any of this to sound like a slam against younger girls. Fact is, I have been pleasantly surprised at the level of intelligence and maturity displayed here by several members of SW who I later found out were in their very early 20's.
(well, what yoda already said and I failed to read...)


EDIT: Oh, and the extras that were offered to me were in the 23-28 range if they weren't lying about their ages. But, I can see younger girls offering them as the internet continues to loosen sexual stigmas.


EDIT 2:

Not a big fan of the big meat curtains so I do enjoy the younger gals now and again. I used to go to a place in Providence. Every gal in the place except for the Bar maid had a C-section scar and what I call Watoosie tits. Their tits looked like a baseball in the end of a toob sockFor fuck's sakes, CJ! LOL Seriously though, tits and labia have more to do with genetics than age. But, yes abuse can prematurely age a person. Still though, show some cooth, man.

Doc Holliday
01-03-2012, 08:58 AM
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_natasha
01-03-2012, 09:03 AM
Not a big fan of the big meat curtains so I do enjoy the younger gals now and again. I used to go to a place in Providence. Every gal in the place except for the Bar maid had a C-section scar and what I call Watoosie tits. Their tits looked like a baseball in the end of a toob sock
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Hey I guess I do support single moms..............


And I'm sure they all get oh so excited when they see your fat ugly face and sweatpants boner appear in the club. It's genetics, not age, you ignorant bastard. I'm a proud owner of 'meat curtains'. No one has complained yet. For once I actually agree with Doc.

Natalllia
01-03-2012, 09:10 AM
As a dancer in her (early! very early!!) 30s, this thread makes me happy.




Btw- *ahem, Coastie Joe* - Neither I nor my dancer friends who are also in their 30s have kids. I know some girls in their early 20s with C-section scars (and they still look great!). Not every dancer over 30 has 5 kids, stretch marks, and saggy teats.

Coastie Joe
01-03-2012, 09:30 AM
Nattalllia, I agree many do not it was just this one club in providence. Maybe it was the location, I think many of the girls walked to work. It got the reputation over time and when ever I went there it seemed like C-Section-Sunday, you know,,,except without the drink specials.........

Coastie Joe
01-03-2012, 09:46 AM
natasha come on now. I'm not fat, or ugly and the only time I wear sweat pants is to the gym every morning when I run 2 miles no bullshit (i'm still in the military). You know there have been times when you are sitting around the locker room and you look over at the gal next to you and say to yourself
"WTF Bitch cover that shit up"
I didn't say I wouldn't get, or enjoy a LD from the dancer that was visited by the labia fairy and took two helpings. I just prefer a stripper who is fits my fantasy profile over one who does not. I prefer not to have beef curtains on the all you can eat menu. To each his or her own.
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Remember itís a job selling fantasy right? I read that hear some place.

Vyanka
01-03-2012, 10:05 AM
As a dancer in her (early! very early!!) 30s, this thread makes me happy.




Btw- *ahem, Coastie Joe* - Neither I nor my dancer friends who are also in their 30s have kids. I know some girls in their early 20s with C-section scars (and they still look great!). Not every dancer over 30 has 5 kids, stretch marks, and saggy teats.


Ditto. But I already knew this. :-D


I'm 30 & I have a better body now than at 18(dropped the baby fat & I'm tight). I started dancing somewhere in my late 20's. I have no problems getting any age group, but I like customers from mid 30's-up. :-)

yoda57us
01-03-2012, 06:29 PM
Remember itís a job selling fantasy right? I read that hear some place.

This isn't a strip club. The club is where the ladies smile, nod and take the guys money no matter how annoying he is. This website, yes, even the blue section, is where they get to talk openly and honestly.

JoeUnCool
01-03-2012, 08:07 PM
To be fair the whole "new wave" of extras dancers is certainly not confined to younger dancers. As the clubs have gotten more tolerant of extras dancers in all age groups have chosen one path or another.

Yeah, that's what I see as well. Extras are available from pretty much every age group.


What makes me gravitate towards the older ladies is a sense of connection as much as anything else. I really don't have much to talk about with 20 somethings to begin with and, since my mid to late 30's favs are all still dancing and looking as beautiful as ever I don't have much reason to go shopping around.

Yeah, same here as well. I tend to gravitate to the girls not in their 20s.

rickdugan
01-03-2012, 08:29 PM
To be fair the whole "new wave" of extras dancers is certainly not confined to younger dancers. As the clubs have gotten more tolerant of extras dancers in all age groups have chosen one path or another.

Indeed it is not confined to younger dancers. However, what I find noteworthy is that, IME, it has historically been almost completely unavailable with very young dancers. Heck, this old reality is what led me to using an age filter in my OTC screening process to begin with.

Now we all know that there have always been a certain number of more seasoned dancers offering it, even if the percentage of them was historically lower than it is today, but to see beautiful 19 and 20 year old girls now offering it up in these numbers is unprecedented in my time in this hobby (or whatever you want to call it).

I first really started thinking about this after my trip to Atlanta in June. During this trip, I met a beautiful 19 year old girl and made the most of my time with her, once ITC and once OTC. This simply never would have happened 6 years ago.

Anyway, there it is fwiw.

juicebox69
01-03-2012, 09:00 PM
I agree with rick on this one ! I've noticed the same thang......hell even the first otc and itc for me was with an older girl 6 years ago ! But know a lot of the younger girls seam to be into it and I do enjoy ! Altho I must admit I enjoy the older dancer much more !

4everresolutions
01-03-2012, 09:25 PM
As a dancer....it was REALLY irritating to hear "Too young" when I was bright eyed and bushy tailed at 18....mind you, knowing now (at the 'ripe old age' of 22) what those men probably had in mind - I'm very glad they thought I was 'too young'. It preserved that small part of my innocense for just that little bit longer.

I wish some other, much more predatorial men, had done the same.

I stopped dancing about 2 months ago. I was still getting a genuine response of "too young" frequently.....and I've been telling customers I'm 24 for the past 3 years.

Coastie Joe
01-04-2012, 08:29 AM
You know I have said the phrase "you look too young" or ďbarely 18Ē and I didnít realize it was offensive to the girl, but she let me know it was. She was beautiful, perfect body great smile, and to me she looked like a little kid. Iím sure some creepers go to the clubs just for that but I canít watch or get dances from the young looking girls, it just feels wrong.
One side of me thinks why are you doing this, why this occupation? Itís an easy way to make $$$ but at what cost. And not to down those in the business but at what point do you decide not to get and education and start stripping. I know many strippers have an education and pay for it this way, and I donít think you will find any place on earth that has more ďNursing StudentsĒ than at a strip club other than the actual nursing school.
I guess I feel bad for the whole situation. I come in, have a drink, and pay you to degrade yourself, and you donít mind because itís good money and only a temporary thing, with permanent tattoos.

kaiarose
01-04-2012, 09:08 AM
You know I have said the phrase "you look too young" or ďbarely 18Ē and I didnít realize it was offensive to the girl, but she let me know it was. She was beautiful, perfect body great smile, and to me she looked like a little kid. Iím sure some creepers go to the clubs just for that but I canít watch or get dances from the young looking girls, it just feels wrong.
One side of me thinks why are you doing this, why this occupation? Itís an easy way to make $$$ but at what cost. And not to down those in the business but at what point do you decide not to get and education and start stripping. I know many strippers have an education and pay for it this way, and I donít think you will find any place on earth that has more ďNursing StudentsĒ than at a strip club other than the actual nursing school.
I guess I feel bad for the whole situation. I come in, have a drink, and pay you to degrade yourself, and you donít mind because itís good money and only a temporary thing, with permanent tattoos.

I don't find it degrading. How is it degrading to be able to clean out a man's life savings in a matter of 8 hours or less?? I think it's pretty fucking empowering.

Doc Holliday
01-04-2012, 09:23 AM
I guess I feel bad for the whole situation. I come in, have a drink, and pay you to degrade yourself, and you donít mind because itís good money and only a temporary thing, with permanent tattoos.FUCK THIS!!
GODDAMN IT! Why can't people just go to strip clubs because of the taboo and admiration of femine sexuality?? Instead, we have men who are either looking to seceretly cheat, pay for what they can't get otherwise, some of which go beyond simple admiration to the point of desperate obsession, and then worst of them all, the asshole who just wants to hurt women, physically and mentally, because he lacks some sense of power in his own life. This business shouldn't be about paying a woman to lessen herself, but paying to appreciate her. FUCK.

Coastie Joe
01-04-2012, 09:37 AM
I don't find it degrading. How is it degrading to be able to clean out a man's life savings in a matter of 8 hours or less?? I think it's pretty fucking empowering.

Thatís it point, itís a business we all get it. Some dancers cry about the emotional stress and the damage it does to them for life because some random dude stuck his finger in her VaJJ or some guy licked her nipple and I say Bla Bla Bla you should have kept you panties on. Or hey here is an Idea, donít be a stripper.
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If its morally ok to ďclean out a man's life savings in a matter of 8 hoursĒ donít get offended when a guy grabs a little too much ass or sticks his tongue out as you brush your nips over his lips and face thatís all Iím saying.
You canít really justify how offended you are when one minute and the next you are leading a guy to deplete his savings.
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And the bullshit of No body forced him to keep hitting the ATM is just as thick as saying
"I am a stripper but i didnít expect to have my breast grabbed during a lap dance I'm a clean stripper"
Please

juicebox69
01-04-2012, 09:42 AM
go on with your bad self doc...

kaiarose
01-04-2012, 09:47 AM
Thatís it point, itís a business we all get it. Some dancers cry about the emotional stress and the damage it does to them for life because some random dude stuck his finger in her VaJJ or some guy licked her nipple and I say Bla Bla Bla you should have kept you panties on. Or hey here is an Idea, donít be a stripper.
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If its morally ok to ďclean out a man's life savings in a matter of 8 hoursĒ donít get offended when a guy grabs a little too much ass or sticks his tongue out as you brush your nips over his lips and face thatís all Iím saying.
You canít really justify how offended you are when one minute and the next you are leading a guy to deplete his savings.
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And the bullshit of No body forced him to keep hitting the ATM is just as thick as saying
"I am a stripper but i didnít expect to have my breast grabbed during a lap dance I'm a clean stripper"
Please

Awesome. Another misogynist on Stripperweb.

yoda57us
01-04-2012, 10:20 AM
I guess I feel bad for the whole situation. I come in, have a drink, and pay you to degrade yourself, and you donít mind because itís good money and only a temporary thing, with permanent tattoos.

Really dude? Dancers are "degrading themselves" by earning a living?
You've managed to touch on quite a few stereotypes since you started posting here so I guess this comment shouldn't surprise me. If you choose to look down on dancers that's your prerogative but they are not degrading themselves, that's on you...

Coastie Joe
01-04-2012, 10:23 AM
Awesome. Another misogynist on Stripperweb.

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On the contrary Kaiarose I love women. I donít have any patience for hypocrisy tho.

_natasha
01-04-2012, 10:34 AM
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On the contrary Kaiarose I love women. I donít have any patience for hypocrisy tho.

What hypocrisy? We do our job, which is dance for you, provide time, and an experience, you hear what you want to hear. We get our money. If you like it, you give us more money.

The rep that treats you nice and takes you out to dinner because he wants you to sign a business deal - do you expect to stick a finger in his ass? No... But he'll be pretty happy to suck you dry (wallet-wise!) too.

Flickdreams
01-04-2012, 10:42 AM
AAAwww! Our boys are growing up! Hopefully the younger girls will mimic the behaviour of the ladies you prefer dancing with, y.ou could always try being honest with the girls too- "I don't like dirty dancers and I have a better connection with older women", gives them something to think about next time they are giving so much away....

Coastie Joe
01-04-2012, 10:50 AM
Really dude? Dancers are "degrading themselves" by earning a living?
You've managed to touch on quite a few stereotypes since you started posting here so I guess this comment shouldn't surprise me. If you choose to look down on dancers that's your prerogative but they are not degrading themselves, that's on you...
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Yoda come on now.
Your comment is part of the societal problem we have here in the US. Everybody gets a trophy even fat little Eddy who canít run to first base without stopping for a snickers bar and a yoo-hoo.
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Itís ok the show my boobs for a buck or grind my ass into your crotch for a $20 because I an not going to have sex with you except in fantasy land.
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If you think stripping for a living is not degrading thatís fine. At the same time donít complain because Joe Shmoe said youíd be hot except for your tattoos, or youíre so pretty except youíre a little too pudgy for me. The stereo types that follow this line of work were created by the actions of many of those within the profession and not the random customer, but I agree the customers can foster the ideas.
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I have traveled around the world a few times at this point in my life. I have had to assimilate into a few cultures that were no where near as open and as free as ours. One of the glaring differences of the Americans and most other cultures is Americans never blame themselves for the negative position or state of affairs they are in. ďItís not my faultĒ is not a reason itís an excuse, just like Itís the customers that are degrading the strippers by tempting them to disrobe with dollar bills.
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Calling me a misogynist doesnít change the truth. In the strip club world it takes two to tango. Many girls are willing loosen their grip on their moral beliefs and even more men will pay to watch them do it.

Doc Holliday
01-04-2012, 11:02 AM
You are a sad little man.

rickdugan
01-04-2012, 11:12 AM
One side of me thinks why are you doing this, why this occupation? Itís an easy way to make $$$ but at what cost. And not to down those in the business but at what point do you decide not to get and education and start stripping. I know many strippers have an education and pay for it this way, and I donít think you will find any place on earth that has more ďNursing StudentsĒ than at a strip club other than the actual nursing school.

I guess I feel bad for the whole situation. I come in, have a drink, and pay you to degrade yourself, and you donít mind because itís good money and only a temporary thing, with permanent tattoos.

LOL. And at what point do you decide that you have the right to pass judgment on how other people earn money?

I'm feeling a certain amount of bitterness coming through here. What happened, did some girl take you for a ride on the pay-me-go-round? Did you come to learn that the few measly bucks you manage to scrounge up during each monthly payday was not enough to get you anything more than a few dances from girls that likely make more than you do?

You mentioned that you are in the military. While I certainly have no criticism of your job, I will say that not everyone has the luxury of having Uncle and Auntie Sam picking up the food, clothing and shelter tabs. Most people actually have to provide that stuff for themselves. So perhaps you should stow the criticism until you have walked a mile in someone else's shoes.

yoda57us
01-04-2012, 11:15 AM
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Calling me a misogynist doesn’t change the truth. In the strip club world it takes two to tango. Many girls are willing loosen their grip on their moral beliefs and even more men will pay to watch them do it.

I didn't call you a misogynist. You did. In any event nothing you just posted has anything to do with the point of my last post. The dancers are not degrading themselves, you, and others of course, are the ones who do that. The dancers are laughing all the way to the bank with your cash and the cash of every other guy who thinks he's better than they are...

Doc Holliday
01-04-2012, 02:56 PM
Did you come to learn that the few measly bucks you manage to scrounge up during each monthly payday was not enough to get you anything more than a few dances from girls that likely make more than you do?I've thought about this. At 31, I'm not doing bad for my age, yet I know some of these 21-24 yr old girls make more than I do, espically per hour. I joke about it, too. And, I am more attracted to the high earners. I like hearing stories of the guy who dropped $1000 or more in a couple hours or how she made a grand in four hitting up 20 dudes! I know the money is a big part of it. But, I also like hearing about the girls who skipped waiting/promoting and jumped straight into dancing (a rarity). I'd rather a dancer dance because she's liberated than "Well shit. I need the money." But, the fucking Lester Molesters of the world make the argument it can be a safe but sexual business difficult if not impossible.

shift_6x
01-04-2012, 03:09 PM
LOL. And at what point do you decide that you have the right to pass judgment on how other people earn money?

I'm feeling a certain amount of bitterness coming through here. What happened, did some girl take you for a ride on the pay-me-go-round? Did you come to learn that the few measly bucks you manage to scrounge up during each monthly payday was not enough to get you anything more than a few dances from girls that likely make more than you do?

You mentioned that you are in the military. While I certainly have no criticism of your job, I will say that not everyone has the luxury of having Uncle and Auntie Sam picking up the food, clothing and shelter tabs. Most people actually have to provide that stuff for themselves. So perhaps you should stow the criticism until you have walked a mile in someone else's shoes.

Absolutely. I am in no way degrading myself by dancing. It is so sad when someone's point of view couldnt be more incorrect. Dancing is empowering. It is taking care of people by sitting down and chatting about their day or how their job is going. For me I oftentimes feel like I am providing therapy and friendship than anything else. Its all in how u view it. And when I see ignorance it is sad. Thank u for speaking up.

Kessler
01-05-2012, 05:03 AM
.’Calling me a misogynist doesn’t change the truth. In the strip club world it takes two to tango. Many girls are willing loosen their grip on their moral beliefs and even more men will pay to watch them do it.

I think we've had this discussion before. But this go-around, I'd like to point out that a lot of us here, most in fact, don't see dancing as degrading. As customers, we appreciate dancers, appreciate the really good ones for the charm, company, sensuality and fun they provide, and recognize how much shit they have to put up with to earn a decent living. We go precisely because we don't see their job as degrading.

But you do. So it begs the question -- if dancing is degrading to you, why do you still go?

Coastie Joe
01-05-2012, 06:42 AM
We all have different opinions and different levels of acceptable behavior. We all, dancers and customers, partake in an activity that is not widely accepted as appropriate or accepted as appropriate in a main stream society around the world.
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There is a huge difference as to what is reluctantly tolerated and what is acceptable or what it preferred behavior and activity. The level of acceptance is generally predicated by the reward be it personal satisfaction or monetary gain.
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I go to a club near home and get a lap dance or two when I go. I am respectful and always tip well. I never grab or touch the dancer. I am always showered and well groomed when I go out. Not just to that club but when I go anywhere, shopping, to dinner, or traveling. I act as a person should and enjoy the show.
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I think we have lowered to bar on what is acceptable. For example, and not directed at strippers, I don’t think its ok to wear pajama pants and slippers, clutching a little pocket dog while shopping in the grocery store. Putting on a hoody, ball cap and giant glasses to complete the outfit doesn’t make it ok. The same goes for men, a stained wife beater shirt, dirty sweatpants, with untied work boots and a hat on backwards topped with white sunglasses is not proper attire for the bar at Applebee’s even though you wore your three very best silver chains and a skull pinky ring.
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I’m not bitter as one poster suggested. I was never wronged or led on by a dancer. I am however very honest and I call it as I see it which may differ from how others see things. Just because a dancer is willing to dance and I am willing to pay her to see her dance doesn’t mean it’s acceptable in much society to do so. The dancer tolerates us as customers and gets naked or more for a fee and I am ok with it as long as she is.
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Shift_6x said:
"Dancing is empowering. It is taking care of people by sitting down and chatting about their day or how their job is going. For me I oftentimes feel like I am providing therapy and friendship than anything else."
That’s great for you, and I hope your customers appreciate you for it.
Theripists get $300 an hour to do the same thing........But wait........So do you......... And I get to see your boobs
I guess it is me............

yoda57us
01-05-2012, 08:17 AM
Iím not bitter as one poster suggested. I was never wronged or led on by a dancer. I am however very honest and I call it as I see it which may differ from how others see things. Just because a dancer is willing to dance and I am willing to pay her to see her dance doesnít mean itís acceptable in much society to do so. The dancer tolerates us as customers and gets naked or more for a fee and I am ok with it as long as she is.

I really can't take issue with what you say in this paragraph but whether society accepts what dancers do or not has no bearing on how the dancer herself feels about the job she is doing. By the same token, what you may think of her doesn't either. You've done a good job of trying to deflect attention away from your original claim that dancers degrade themselves by dancing for a living but it's not going to make that statement go away or make it sound any less ridiculous.
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I guess it is me............
I guess it is...

rickdugan
01-05-2012, 10:29 AM
We all have different opinions and different levels of acceptable behavior. We all, dancers and customers, partake in an activity that is not widely accepted as appropriate or accepted as appropriate in a main stream society around the world.

There is a huge difference as to what is reluctantly tolerated and what is acceptable or what it preferred behavior and activity. The level of acceptance is generally predicated by the reward be it personal satisfaction or monetary gain.

You have a very narrow view of the world. Who are you to judge what constitutes "acceptable behavior?" And for your information, your rather tunnel visioned views are not universally shared by societies around the world.

And btw, posting backhanded criticism of dancers' jobs and lifestyles is not considered acceptable behavior on this dancer support site, so while you are here perhaps you should comform to the local norms.


I think we have lowered to bar on what is acceptable. For example, and not directed at strippers, I don’t think its ok to wear pajama pants and slippers, clutching a little pocket dog while shopping in the grocery store. Putting on a hoody, ball cap and giant glasses to complete the outfit doesn’t make it ok. The same goes for men, a stained wife beater shirt, dirty sweatpants, with untied work boots and a hat on backwards topped with white sunglasses is not proper attire for the bar at Applebee’s even though you wore your three very best silver chains and a skull pinky ring.


So your need to define what is and is not ok even extends to fashion choices? ::)

You really spend far too much time thinking about what you believe is appropriate behavior and attire for other people.

juicebox69
01-05-2012, 11:00 AM
ya ! what rick said !.......

Coastie Joe
01-05-2012, 11:21 AM
Everyone gets a trophy Rick

Doc Holliday
01-05-2012, 11:34 AM
No need to walk over and piss on it. Care about yourself and those who think like you. But, don't cast stones* at the rest of us.

As far as the argument here, can you not respect the strength it takes for a 110 lb woman to get into the lap of and tease a 250 lb man, when all it takes for that man to do whatever he wants to the dancer is enough cash to pay off the right people in the club?





* this proverb is more on topic than I thought.

Coastie Joe
01-05-2012, 12:20 PM
Doc,
I do respect the dancers, just not for their hustle abilities or their ability to “drain a man of his life savings in 8 hours” as one so eloquently put it. The girls that perform the pole routines get much admiration from me for their athletic ability and core body strength. I cross fit for work and know how difficult it is to stay in top shape. They climb up that pole upside down an hang on while spread eagle in a g-string and still look good doing it.

4everresolutions
01-05-2012, 12:23 PM
Everyone gets a trophy Rick

And mine is bigger.

Coastie Joe
01-05-2012, 12:53 PM
And mine is bigger.

now thats funy right there I dont care who you are

shift_6x
01-05-2012, 01:29 PM
We all have different opinions and different levels of acceptable behavior. We all, dancers and customers, partake in an activity that is not widely accepted as appropriate or accepted as appropriate in a main stream society around the world.
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There is a huge difference as to what is reluctantly tolerated and what is acceptable or what it preferred behavior and activity. The level of acceptance is generally predicated by the reward be it personal satisfaction or monetary gain.
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I go to a club near home and get a lap dance or two when I go. I am respectful and always tip well. I never grab or touch the dancer. I am always showered and well groomed when I go out. Not just to that club but when I go anywhere, shopping, to dinner, or traveling. I act as a person should and enjoy the show.
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I think we have lowered to bar on what is acceptable. For example, and not directed at strippers, I donít think its ok to wear pajama pants and slippers, clutching a little pocket dog while shopping in the grocery store. Putting on a hoody, ball cap and giant glasses to complete the outfit doesnít make it ok. The same goes for men, a stained wife beater shirt, dirty sweatpants, with untied work boots and a hat on backwards topped with white sunglasses is not proper attire for the bar at Applebeeís even though you wore your three very best silver chains and a skull pinky ring.
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Iím not bitter as one poster suggested. I was never wronged or led on by a dancer. I am however very honest and I call it as I see it which may differ from how others see things. Just because a dancer is willing to dance and I am willing to pay her to see her dance doesnít mean itís acceptable in much society to do so. The dancer tolerates us as customers and gets naked or more for a fee and I am ok with it as long as she is.
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Shift_6x said:
"Dancing is empowering. It is taking care of people by sitting down and chatting about their day or how their job is going. For me I oftentimes feel like I am providing therapy and friendship than anything else."
Thatís great for you, and I hope your customers appreciate you for it.
Theripists get $300 an hour to do the same thing........But wait........So do you......... And I get to see your boobs
I guess it is me............


Ok, first off you are really being an asshole here. And secondly you are incorrect. Where I live the clubs I work in are bikini bars. Which means #1--I WEAR A BIKINI WHICH IS THE EQUIVALENT OF WHAT EVERYONE SEES HERE AT OUR BEACHES WHICH IN FACT MEANS ESSENTIALLY PEOPLE SEE THE SAME BOOB COVERAGE ON THE RUNWAY THAT THEY DO AT THE BEACH FOR FREE-- THEREFORE I AM CAPITALIZING IN THE CLUBS #2-I DO NOT PERFORM LAPDANCES--THESE ARE NOT LAPDANCE CLUBS...Yea so I guess it IS me after all who has the upper hand;). Also not every therapist gets $300/ hour. And additionally, our shifts are 1 hour and 40 mins with only 1 hour of actual dancing/working. If on a good night I am making $500-1000 an hour, in actuality I am far surpassing most therapists.

kaiarose
01-05-2012, 02:45 PM
Doc,
I do respect the dancers, just not for their hustle abilities or their ability to ďdrain a man of his life savings in 8 hoursĒ as one so eloquently put it. The girls that perform the pole routines get much admiration from me for their athletic ability and core body strength. I cross fit for work and know how difficult it is to stay in top shape. They climb up that pole upside down an hang on while spread eagle in a g-string and still look good doing it.

Then go to the ballet ::) Our hustle abilities are what makes us MONEY at our JOB. People seem to forget that this is how we make a living. Tipping me $1 for doing polework isn't going to pay my rent. Buying dances from me is. For me to get dances out of you, I'm most likely going to have to hustle you. Especially you. I don't see you being a very easy sell.