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laurielegs
01-19-2017, 08:30 PM
I just realized that pvt shows are recorded on here and that mine were available for like 10 credits. Is the any way to disable VOD or is it mandatory?

I meant to answer this before now and got distracted and never got back till now - they will allow you to disable I think it's 20% of your videos and the rest have to stay. I love it because I get a nice chunk of money from mine, but I raised the prices. Ones with nudity I charge more and the tame ones are a bit less, but not 10 credits, to me that's too low because I do almost all fetish shows and I feel like they are worth more. I like it that they can't download them easily though, it's streaming that is pretty secure and locked down better than most. The common ways I know of to download vids don't seem to work on them.

It's a pain, but you can go in and change your prices. The annoying maddening thing is if you are not active on the site they still sell your vids as pay per view and you don't get the money for it! I think the only way to stop that is to close your account completely. Probably don't get many views though after your profile isn't live often. It will gradually drop out of site.

Magical_Hoohah
03-03-2017, 12:53 PM
On F4F, there is a section in my profile where I can put my Twitter. Does anyone know whether guys can actually see it?

I understand that guests who aren't logged in can't see it, but I get quite a few people who are logged in asking me to give them my Twitter. Are they just too lazy to check my profile, or is my Twitter not displayed to some or all of the custies?

KatyBoleyn
03-03-2017, 12:58 PM
I think that is more so they can alert you to various contests or site features/changes...things like that.

JaneBurgess
03-03-2017, 02:00 PM
I deactivated my tube sites videos via them. I dont want any of my videos on a tube site.

maddiebabe
04-22-2017, 04:29 PM
Can someone explain to me how come I can't even get a pvt on this site? Guys want me to turn on offers to lowball me? wtf are these numbers next to their names. They sure are a chatty lot of freeloading fucks wanting to play 21 fucking questions with me.

anonymous camgirl
04-22-2017, 04:51 PM
they are some of the cheapest men I have ever seen!.. I have been on here for a long while. NO one has joined my fan club in about 2 yrs.. NOT ONE.. I rarely get a tip .. might get 1 or 2 pvts a day.. I do not do offers.. etc etc.. .. not that great for me.. but it's an extra site.


Can someone explain to me how come I can't even get a pvt on this site? Guys want me to turn on offers to lowball me? wtf are these numbers next to their names. They sure are a chatty lot of freeloading fucks wanting to play 21 fucking questions with me.

maddiebabe
04-23-2017, 08:40 AM
I think I am blacklisted for not making $$$ on there? They wont let me login unless i lower price to 10 tokens/min? LOL im done with F4F. 26 cents a min no thanks.

I think they mad i dont pay attention to F4F?? too bad for them i only have 2 bread butter sites and a whole lotta side sites

edit: i closedmy account fuck them wanting to force me to work for 26/cents a minute

anonymous camgirl
04-23-2017, 09:36 AM
really? they only let me charge max of 50 credits per minute now.. for the longest time!.. it's crap .. I think I was making more money when I was allowed to charge what I wanted!


I think I am blacklisted for not making $$$ on there? They wont let me login unless i lower price to 10 tokens/min? LOL im done with F4F. 26 cents a min no thanks.

I think they mad i dont pay attention to F4F?? too bad for them i only have 2 bread butter sites and a whole lotta side sites

edit: i closedmy account fuck them wanting to force me to work for 26/cents a minute

anonymous camgirl
04-23-2017, 09:37 AM
You could just sit in fake show all day and use it as a voyeur site.


I think I am blacklisted for not making $$$ on there? They wont let me login unless i lower price to 10 tokens/min? LOL im done with F4F. 26 cents a min no thanks.

I think they mad i dont pay attention to F4F?? too bad for them i only have 2 bread butter sites and a whole lotta side sites

edit: i closedmy account fuck them wanting to force me to work for 26/cents a minute

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
04-23-2017, 09:48 AM
This site is hilarious! They actually pay that much attention to how little people are converting? Most just make you work harder for exposure. Not limit your prices. What an insult. I think its a good site if your a male cammer, but as an exclusive upscale site? No they tripping.

maddiebabe
04-23-2017, 09:51 AM
Yeah my guys on SM have no issue paying $6 a minute and chaturbate is the same. but F4F cannot get 1 priv and they wanna force me to do 10 tokens aka $1 a minute at 26%=26 cents/min?? LOL?

i hope everybody else does better on F4F than me!! good luck

anonymous camgirl
05-03-2017, 03:55 PM
I was just getting ready to do a show on SM and I go over to F4F to put myself in fake show and the button is gone now!.. wtf? is it just me or anyone else? this is going to make things really difficult for me now.

Magical_Hoohah
05-03-2017, 09:46 PM
Yep, the "fake" button is missing for me, too. I downloaded the new version 5 performer app, and it still has the "fake" button. Thank god - that is the best part of the whole site! I don't like version 5 because it needlessly takes up more space on the screen, but if they're forcing it...

ETA: The "fake" button in version 5 is actually grayed out while broadcasting, too. I hope they aren't getting rid of it.

anonymous camgirl
05-04-2017, 09:27 AM
I was also wondering if it's possible to use party chat like you would fake show? or no? I have never done a party chat so I dunno how that works.. or do a bunch of freeloaders allowed to watch in party chat?


Yep, the "fake" button is missing for me, too. I downloaded the new version 5 performer app, and it still has the "fake" button. Thank god - that is the best part of the whole site! I don't like version 5 because it needlessly takes up more space on the screen, but if they're forcing it...

ETA: The "fake" button in version 5 is actually grayed out while broadcasting, too. I hope they aren't getting rid of it.

amanda121
05-04-2017, 09:38 AM
I was also wondering if it's possible to use party chat like you would fake show? or no? I have never done a party chat so I dunno how that works.. or do a bunch of freeloaders allowed to watch in party chat?

Party chat is visible to anyone, even to visitors who don't have an account (basics and greys). And you can only be in party chat for 10 min, after that, if you don't collect enough tips, it automatically kicks you out.

I've read on their forum that they restricted use of fake show, you can only be using it for less than 50% of online time, you can't use it in the first hour online etc.

laurielegs
05-04-2017, 11:22 AM
I've read on their forum that they restricted use of fake show, you can only be using it for less than 50% of online time, you can't use it in the first hour online etc.

They just shot themselves in the foot big time. I probably won't include the site in my splitcamming any more which means I won't work it at all unless a regular messages me.

Magical_Hoohah
05-04-2017, 12:40 PM
I've read on their forum that they restricted use of fake show, you can only be using it for less than 50% of online time, you can't use it in the first hour online etc.
Noooo! They are going to be losing money from that. I'm sure as shit not going to turn down a private on another site. If they make me use break mode, they make $0. There was at least a chance of earning something in fake mode.

If they think this change will encourage us to reduce our splitting and focus on F4F more, they have another thing coming. Their % is abysmal and the traffic is, at best, moderate and not very spendy. I think there are very few female models who would prioritize F4F over other site options.

That said, maybe they are trying to encourage the male models to stop split-camming. They probably lead the industry for male cammers, so it might actually work. Maybe they are just leaning in to that niche and focusing their policies on how to get the most from the male category.

Either that, or they are trying to discourage private-only type models so they can focus more on being a token site.

amanda121
05-04-2017, 01:09 PM
Noooo! They are going to be losing money from that. I'm sure as shit not going to turn down a private on another site. If they make me use break mode, they make $0. There was at least a chance of earning something in fake mode.

If they think this change will encourage us to reduce our splitting and focus on F4F more, they have another thing coming. Their % is abysmal and the traffic is, at best, moderate and not very spendy. I think there are very few female models who would prioritize F4F over other site options.

That said, maybe they are trying to encourage the male models to stop split-camming. They probably lead the industry for male cammers, so it might actually work. Maybe they are just leaning in to that niche and focusing their policies on how to get the most from the male category.

Either that, or they are trying to discourage private-only type models so they can focus more on being a token site.

Yes I agree, this sucks! Sometimes I was sitting there with no one going pvt, but than I got pvt on another site, went into fake show mode and got 1-2 people voyeuring. I think voyeur is 10 cpm or something, but that's not bad considering that there is no interaction. Some models do full pvts for 10 cpm there.

I got some money off if it. I know that some time ago, they dropped models who didn't make enough credits. Now they will make no credits in break mode so they will get dropped for this?? The site would profit more if they'd keep the fake show.

laurielegs
05-06-2017, 12:34 AM
I had a regular on there message me and so I went online and did a show with him. Afterward I left the site running but having to pause every time I got a show on another site,realizing I could be collecting money while they watched just pissed me off so much I decided just to shut it down and concentrate on my other sites.

I resent this whole policy because it takes away a tool I was using to bring in money for the damn site and for myself and I hate being treated like a child by a company who should be treating me like a business partner.

I understand they think they are doing what's best for their business but pissing off those who bring in the money is just stupid.

I was pissed off when I first heard they had done this but now that I have worked and experienced losing money because of this idiot decision I'm super angry and annoyed. I was collecting more and more regulars there too, love the fetish traffic but damn I'm irritated.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
08-02-2017, 08:27 PM
Flirt4Free donates the domain gay.com to a the LA LGBT center http://www.xbiz.com/news/222035/flirt4free-donates-gay-com-domain-name-to-l-a-lgbt-center

anonymous camgirl
08-03-2017, 06:06 PM
You know what I have noticed? sometimes they take away the fake show button when you are in fake show and dump you back into free chat.. uh what if you are in pvt on another site and don't know you are in free chat fucking yourself? so wrong!.. I hate this cam site all they do is spend new ways thinking how to punish cam girls.. I actually make more money on the days I have it on fake show and never even sit in free chat.. isn't that what they want?...


I had a regular on there message me and so I went online and did a show with him. Afterward I left the site running but having to pause every time I got a show on another site,realizing I could be collecting money while they watched just pissed me off so much I decided just to shut it down and concentrate on my other sites.

I resent this whole policy because it takes away a tool I was using to bring in money for the damn site and for myself and I hate being treated like a child by a company who should be treating me like a business partner.

I understand they think they are doing what's best for their business but pissing off those who bring in the money is just stupid.

I was pissed off when I first heard they had done this but now that I have worked and experienced losing money because of this idiot decision I'm super angry and annoyed. I was collecting more and more regulars there too, love the fetish traffic but damn I'm irritated.

minniesoporno
08-26-2017, 08:46 PM
I did some digging to find it looks like I am set at 31% but I also online logged on 2 hours on the site. my account with them is 5 years old.

So I am thinking if I work this site regularly for about 3 months then I could probably find out about increasing it. since some here have been able to ask for that.

minniesoporno
09-15-2017, 12:42 PM
Flirt4free webinar
https://app.livestorm.co/flirt4free/learn-from-a-cam-guru-advanced-training-with-izzi-4/live#/chat

I don't know when they started doing these. but I find them very interesting

That link should lead to the replay . but they do them regularly. as this is my second time catching one of their webinars for models.

laurielegs
10-12-2017, 06:22 PM
So I don't know if it's because I've been running this site in the background and have enough hours built up, but my fake show button has started working all the time. Probably wouldn't bother much with the site if they take it away again but glad to see they seem to have come to their senses. No way could I work the site regularly without being able to set it private while in a show on another site. Not enough traffic for that there for me.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
11-21-2017, 05:47 PM
Flirt4Free Giving Away Record-Breaking Cash Prizes for Black Friday Blowout Weekend

Flirt4Free has announced that their upcoming Black Friday Blowout will give away $16,000 in cash prizes to their models, making it the largest single-day promo in the history of the company. In addition, customers will be able to unlock new credit package promos and discounts by spending credits in bulk on Black Friday.

“We wanted to give our customer and models a Black Friday bonus that they would never forget,” said Jamie Rodriguez, Director of Product at Flirt4Free. “We give away thousands of dollars to models every week during our promos, but for our Black Friday Blowout, we decided to give it away all at once.”

On Friday, November 24th, models will compete to earn enough credits to become the top 5 guys and girls of the Black Friday Blowout, qualifying them for one of Flirt4Free’s record breaking prizes. The top models will win a staggering $3,000 bonus, the 2nd place winners will receive $2,000 each, 3rd place winners will win $1,500, 4th place winners will get $1,000, and 5th place winners will win $500 each.

In addition, Flirt4Free will give away over $20,000 in cash prizes to their models during their three-day Black Friday Auto-Win Weekend contest. Between Saturday, November 25 and Monday, November 27, models will receive an automatic $250 bonus if they earn at least 25K credits, and a $500 bonus if they earn at least 50K credits throughout the three-day event.

On top of that, all four days of Flirt4Free’s Black Friday Blowout Weekend will feature big discounts for customers on credits, VODs, and more. On Friday, November 24, all VODs will be 25% off, and for the next three days of the Black Friday Weekend, they’ll remain 10% off for all customers.

According to Rodriguez, the multiple deals and prizes offered by the Black Friday Blowout will bring millions of users online to see their favorite models.

“We expect to see a lot of activity on the site during the holiday weekend, and customers will have huge incentives to spend, making Black Friday the perfect time for affiliates to earn big,” said Rodriguez.

Flirt4Free regularly offers 120 credits for free to customers that register with the site, meaning that new customers can sign up on Black Friday and claim even greater discount packages on top of their free credits. For a full rundown of Flirt4Free’s Black Friday Blowout contests, discounts, and packages, visit Flirt4Free.com on Friday, November 24. Affiliates interested in promoting the Flirt4Free network can apply

Hungry Bunny
11-27-2019, 02:33 PM
Does anyone here still work on Flirt4Free? What's their model payout now? Still peanuts?

minniesoporno
11-27-2019, 02:43 PM
Does anyone here still work on Flirt4Free? What's their model payout now? Still peanuts?

Yes they have a tier system for payout, You have to log in your account to see what you are starting at.

Camster just got bought so there could be newer customers on the platform. that were use to camster aka naked.com

Flirt4free is in my top 3 list.

Hungry Bunny
11-30-2019, 08:02 AM
UPDATE:

I'm on Flirt4Free now. My payout is 50% and they have my privates locked in at 60 credits per min, I cannot adjust it as of yet. I've only worked live for 2.5 hours. Top 10% for now, but I'm sure it'll go back down. Lol. I don't understand the secrecy.

DeliveryLadyx
11-30-2019, 10:10 AM
Hello, I think I get why it's a secrecy about payout on f4f. I have been a studio long time ago in 2013 in Romania and I wasn't able to create an independent model account since I live in the UK. I know now it's possible to have an account as an independent one and after failed creating a new account as they found my name in their database, they have sent me a link with a form to complete. I have contacted them on Live Chat and for me (I suppose because I am an eastern european) the payout is 25%. Here is their reply:
David V:You would be paid by 0.025 USD per 1 credit. It is equal to 1.5 USD/min if you broadcast on default 60CPM chat option.

me;erm am a bit confused, how much is the payout? 25%?

account_boxDavid V.:Yes, that would be the rate.

me:understood

Of course, am not gonna create an account there for 25% my cut. Just sharing my experience as I see most of the girls are so shy of sharing more details about the payout structure on F4F.

Hungry Bunny
11-30-2019, 12:34 PM
Hello, I think I get why it's a secrecy about payout on f4f. I have been a studio long time ago in 2013 in Romania and I wasn't able to create an independent model account since I live in the UK. I know now it's possible to have an account as an independent one and after failed creating a new account as they found my name in their database, they have sent me a link with a form to complete. I have contacted them on Live Chat and for me (I suppose because I am an eastern european) the payout is 25%. Here is their reply:
David V:You would be paid by 0.025 USD per 1 credit. It is equal to 1.5 USD/min if you broadcast on default 60CPM chat option.

me;erm am a bit confused, how much is the payout? 25%?

account_boxDavid V.:Yes, that would be the rate.

me:understood

Of course, am not gonna create an account there for 25% my cut. Just sharing my experience as I see most of the girls are so shy of sharing more details about the payout structure on F4F.


I feel like the site should be the one providing this info. Other sites are upfront. We shouldn't have to become sleuths to find out if a site is worth our time. That's time consuming in itself!

Thanks for sharing your experience.

ep2002
12-16-2019, 10:32 AM
Does anyone here still work on Flirt4Free? What's their model payout now? Still peanuts?


I feel like the site should be the one providing this info. Other sites are upfront. We shouldn't have to become sleuths to find out if a site is worth our time. That's time consuming in itself!

Thanks for sharing your experience.

I can't stand that site.

I tried it for 2 days & gave up.

The guy (David) was an asshole.

I got TONS of guys in my room, but none of them wanted to pay. They wanted everything for free.

Then I realized you can't block them (WTF???)

So I contacted them & he wanted to know WHY I wanted to block them, that I SHOULDN'T be blocking them & it's MY job to convert them into paying customers.

When I realized he was a pimp, I ran away.

I don't tolerate pimps & neither should anyone else. No wonder they have so much money to buy out the other cam sites. It's either that, or some of the girls overseas don't mind wasting their time & being treated like garbage so they have them as their models.

Never EVER like a guy treat you like garbage. I don't care if you are in the adult industry.

ep2002
12-16-2019, 05:58 PM
Just putting this here...

Flirt4Free Acquires Camster, Naked and CamDolls. It appears that all three sites will be converted into Flirt4Free whitelabels.

Hungry Bunny
12-16-2019, 06:39 PM
I can't stand that site.

I tried it for 2 days & gave up.

The guy (David) was an asshole.

I got TONS of guys in my room, but none of them wanted to pay. They wanted everything for free.

Then I realized you can't block them (WTF???)

So I contacted them & he wanted to know WHY I wanted to block them, that I SHOULDN'T be blocking them & it's MY job to convert them into paying customers.

When I realized he was a pimp, I ran away.

I don't tolerate pimps & neither should anyone else. No wonder they have so much money to buy out the other cam sites. It's either that, or some of the girls overseas don't mind wasting their time & being treated like garbage so they have them as their models.

Never EVER like a guy treat you like garbage. I don't care if you are in the adult industry.


I wasn't aware that there were pimps on camming sites. So far the ppl at F4F have been extremely nice. I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience.

In the Flirt University training, it implies that they frown upon blocking members and states that it's our responsibility to convert members (and sometimes guests) to paying. It said that if they members are harassing us, an admin will block the user for us, but if we're always trying to have someone blocked... Ok, I forgot what it said, but it wasn't positive. They only want to block the mean ppl, not the cheap ppl. Lol.

Isn't them being cheap mean though???

minniesoporno
12-17-2019, 08:17 AM
Just putting this here...

Flirt4Free Acquires Camster, Naked and CamDolls. It appears that all three sites will be converted into Flirt4Free whitelabels.

It happened in November 2018. When it was happening Xbiz or Ynot made articles on it. and Flirt4free sent out an email about it. The old camster thread talked about it.

For the other comment a cheap member isn't always a mean member they are just cheap. You have to remember these are people with financial lives, probably student debt, a mortgage, car payments and etc and a range of income levels.

laurielegs
12-17-2019, 01:50 PM
I wasn't aware that there were pimps on camming sites. So far the ppl at F4F have been extremely nice. I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience.

In the Flirt University training, it implies that they frown upon blocking members and states that it's our responsibility to convert members (and sometimes guests) to paying. It said that if they members are harassing us, an admin will block the user for us, but if we're always trying to have someone blocked... Ok, I forgot what it said, but it wasn't positive. They only want to block the mean ppl, not the cheap ppl. Lol.

Isn't them being cheap mean though???

Those guidelines are written by someone who has never cammed, lol. Most sites suggest that though but I'm on there to make money, not friends.

I block for any and every reason I want to. I don't care what the guidelines state, if they want me to work their site then I will block any member for any sign of disrespect. I always have and they haven't said anything about it to me. (and if they did I'd just drop the site as it's just a side site to me).

I'm curious why some are saying they can't block. I can block anyone I want with no issue. Right-click their name to bring up the menu and chose Ban not Kick. You do have to put a "reason" (I just say "abusive" which they are and hit Send, boom, done).

ep2002
12-19-2019, 03:43 AM
I wasn't aware that there were pimps on camming sites. So far the ppl at F4F have been extremely nice. I'm sorry that you've had a bad experience.

In the Flirt University training, it implies that they frown upon blocking members and states that it's our responsibility to convert members (and sometimes guests) to paying. It said that if they members are harassing us, an admin will block the user for us, but if we're always trying to have someone blocked... Ok, I forgot what it said, but it wasn't positive. They only want to block the mean ppl, not the cheap ppl. Lol.

Isn't them being cheap mean though???

LOL, are you new to camming?

Of course it's our job to "try" & convet the guys, but NOT if they expect freebies it's not.

Sure some girls are soooo GOOD at manipulating they can sell ice to an eskimo, but most of us aren't like that, & if a guy is already NOT planning on paying, you can't convince them of anything.

It's the SITE'S job to provide us with guys who actually have money, know they have to pay & know their BS won't be tolerated, not poor people who expect freeibies & to waste the girls time.

That's called a TW (time waster).

Poor peole shouldn't be on the site to begin with & if they AREN'T poor & they are just being assholes & the site doesn't feel we should ban them, than to me that's a PIMP.

Any man or women who forces a girl to work in the adult industry and/or work with abussive customers in any capacity at all is to me a PIMP. It doesn't mean the pimps have to be on the streets.

Back when the Internet started becoming popular. the pimps moved off the streets & onto the net.



It happened in November 2018. When it was happening Xbiz or Ynot made articles on it. and Flirt4free sent out an email about it. The old camster thread talked about it.

For the other comment a cheap member isn't always a mean member they are just cheap. You have to remember these are people with financial lives, probably student debt, a mortgage, car payments and etc and a range of income levels.

Sorry about that. I couldn't tell when that buyout happened.

LOL, nooo, I do NOT have to understand anything. If they are poor (read my other comment above) they shouldn't be on the site expecting freebies. Seeing a webcam model is a LUXURY. It's not something that will cause them to die if they don't have like food, water, a roof, paying utilities, gas for their car, etc.

And OF COURSE a guy who wastes a model's time is mean. They are called TWers. They are purposely using the girl with NO plans to pay her a dime. That's abuse right there & in any other profession that would be untolerated.

Whether they know they should pay or not, it's the site's job to make SURE they know they have to pay.

I can't stand it when PIMP sites lie to the customer & make them think they can talk to the girl for free all day LONG. This dishonesty ends up hurting the model in the end & even the customer, b/c then the girl gets pissed at him, blocks him & if he's a newbie, he has no clue what's going on b/c he thinks it's all for free.

When a model is upset, it shows in her energy & body through non verbal cues & from that moment forward she won't make any money (or much less).


Those guidelines are written by someone who has never cammed, lol. Most sites suggest that though but I'm on there to make money, not friends.

I block for any and every reason I want to. I don't care what the guidelines state, if they want me to work their site then I will block any member for any sign of disrespect. I always have and they haven't said anything about it to me. (and if they did I'd just drop the site as it's just a side site to me).

I'm curious why some are saying they can't block. I can block anyone I want with no issue. Right-click their name to bring up the menu and chose Ban not Kick. You do have to put a "reason" (I just say "abusive" which they are and hit Send, boom, done).

FINALLY someone who believes we shouldn't be giving our time away for free.

WOW, do many other models think it's ok for guys to play games, waste our time, try to get freebies (freeloaders)??? Or are we in the minority here???

I can't blieve it.

When I used the site, which was around 2-3 years ago, I was unable to block, which is why I called them & had that conversation with the guy.

And as you can see from the first model who thinks it's ok to spend all day talking to guys for free, the university says right in there that THEY have to block them for you which is the stuipidest thing I've ever heard in my life LOL

I almost wanted to shoot myself when he told me that. I literally had probably close to 80 FLers in my room either not saying anything, or treating me like I was a whore & should service them for free.

Maybe he finally changed the site.

Hungry Bunny
12-19-2019, 11:51 AM
LOL, are you new to camming?

Of course it's our job to "try" & convet the guys, but NOT if they expect freebies it's not.

Sure some girls are soooo GOOD at manipulating they can sell ice to an eskimo, but most of us aren't like that, & if a guy is already NOT planning on paying, you can't convince them of anything.

It's the SITE'S job to provide us with guys who actually have money, know they have to pay & know their BS won't be tolerated, not poor people who expect freeibies & to waste the girls time.

That's called a TW (time waster).

Poor peole shouldn't be on the site to begin with & if they AREN'T poor & they are just being assholes & the site doesn't feel we should ban them, than to me that's a PIMP.

Any man or women who forces a girl to work in the adult industry and/or work with abussive customers in any capacity at all is to me a PIMP. It doesn't mean the pimps have to be on the streets.

Back when the Internet started becoming popular. the pimps moved off the streets & onto the net.




Sorry about that. I couldn't tell when that buyout happened.

LOL, nooo, I do NOT have to understand anything. If they are poor (read my other comment above) they shouldn't be on the site expecting freebies. Seeing a webcam model is a LUXURY. It's not something that will cause them to die if they don't have like food, water, a roof, paying utilities, gas for their car, etc.

And OF COURSE a guy who wastes a model's time is mean. They are called TWers. They are purposely using the girl with NO plans to pay her a dime. That's abuse right there & in any other profession that would be untolerated.

Whether they know they should pay or not, it's the site's job to make SURE they know they have to pay.

I can't stand it when PIMP sites lie to the customer & make them think they can talk to the girl for free all day LONG. This dishonesty ends up hurting the model in the end & even the customer, b/c then the girl gets pissed at him, blocks him & if he's a newbie, he has no clue what's going on b/c he thinks it's all for free.

When a model is upset, it shows in her energy & body through non verbal cues & from that moment forward she won't make any money (or much less).



FINALLY someone who believes we shouldn't be giving our time away for free.

WOW, do many other models think it's ok for guys to play games, waste our time, try to get freebies (freeloaders)??? Or are we in the minority here???

I can't blieve it.

When I used the site, which was around 2-3 years ago, I was unable to block, which is why I called them & had that conversation with the guy.

And as you can see from the first model who thinks it's ok to spend all day talking to guys for free, the university says right in there that THEY have to block them for you which is the stuipidest thing I've ever heard in my life LOL

I almost wanted to shoot myself when he told me that. I literally had probably close to 80 FLers in my room either not saying anything, or treating me like I was a whore & should service them for free.

Maybe he finally changed the site.


You seem combative. Underneath all of that, I agree with you... mostly.

I know what a time-waster is. It isn't some special term reserved for some of the camming viewers. Also, I'm not new to camming. I'm new to F4F, as I've stated. I still haven't worked 5 hours on the site yet, as I don't like that there's no option to keep "guests" from chatting with me. Of all the ppl in a room, 75% of them seem to be ppl without accounts, asking for free shit. Then, you have some of the registered customers, asking for free shit. Lol. I know that frustration, so I'm guessing that's why you're so combative. It's misdirected though... As far as me telling you what's stated in the Flirt Univ training, it's just that: me telling you what I've read. Somehow, that managed to irk you as well.

You and I have different definitions of what the word "pimp" means. That's fine too. Sites like these have saved some girls from the clutches of actual pimps. I can understand why you felt the need to bow out and leave the site, as no one was "forcing" you to be on there like an actual pimp would. In the $1k a day thread, there is a girl who's banking off indy camming. It's something I feel all of us should look into, even as just a side hustle. It's safe to assume we all like the freedom camming and other sex work brings. I knew some pimps had their girls advertising on Eros and Backpage (when it was around), but I didn't know about some cam studios. Thanks for the heads up. It seems as you're speaking to the men's insensitivity to the crap we deal with.

I agree that seeing a camgirl is a luxury, along with any other form of sex work. We're not here to care about their financial woes. Yes, it's stressful dealing with cheap dudes and fielding their questions/demands. For you, blocking them and getting them out of your head is the easiest solution. Cool. Yesterday, I worked on F4F for an hour. I noticed that we can right-click on a customer's username and block, send pvt messages, etc. It was also in the training, but I never checked for myself. I reference other forms of SW bc it seems that camming is the only one where it's unsavory to tell a cheapo to f-off if he doesn't want to pay your rates. Telling them off as a cam girl messes up my mood and makes me look bitchy to some paying customers who've just entered the room. I choose to ignore them and not feed the trolls. I actually had a guy who remembered me from camming a few years ago take me to pvt and say he's shocked I didn't curse the beggars out. I told him that wouldn't stop them from begging. They'd eventually get tired of being ignored and move on to another room.

The sites pay for traffic to the site. They aren't asking for tax returns and last months' banking statements upon registration. The other sites you work on, do they provide an endless supply of wealthy viewers who actually spend? If so, what's the site's name? Lol, or is that a secret too? I've seen how some of you ladies here love to sit on info...

You made a lot of assumptions. I'm someone who clicks off the chat if I've been in free chat for too long. I never stated, nor implied that I think it's okay to sit all day and talk to guys for free, hence me calling them mean. Too long for me is 15 mins with no pvt/adequate amt of tips. I don't even "perform" in the free chat for tips. That's an easy way for your feed to get recorded by some freeloading loser and put on some other site. I'm not an ugly, boring woman -- and I'm not going to be treated like one. Yet, I see less attractive and entertaining women at the top... That is my issue. I've talked to top girls ($15k+ a month) on some of these sites and they've urged me to just stay on. One girl, in particular, has over 200k followers on twitter and has been in several porns told me that sometimes, she'd be in the free chat for 2 hours without someone even tipping. She said "stay on, or you'll miss your big fish. It could be the difference btwn a $300 day and a $1300 day." But, I am not the type to just sit in front of a camera with strangers watching me and not profit from it. The point of staying on is that shortly after you give up/take a break, the money that would've been spent on you goes to someone else just because she was there. There's bullshit to deal with in any profession. That's just like the girls in the locker room at a strip club complaining about all of the broke guys out there. Meanwhile, the girls who toughed it out on the floor found the guy who just walked in to spend $$$.

Off-topic at this point, but I DO like how on F4F I can tell how many minutes the guy purchased the private for. That eases some stress of clock watching while performing. I also like that it displays on the screen when he's purchased more credits. Most of the contests seem to be geared towards fattening the purses of the top 3-10 people on the site. As a newbie on the site, eso no me gusta. Idk if that's common. I'd like to try out MFC. I've finished the registration and would like to read the thread, but it's too massive. I'd like to see how long they're going to keep my rate at 50% on F4F and try some indy camming first. I have zero social media presence as of right now. That's something I'm trying to rectify.

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
12-19-2019, 01:42 PM
Hungry Bunny I would just like to say I love everything you've written here. Except "we" as a whole don't just love to sit on information. The info is here and has been shared time and time again. Some stuff you just have to ignore and search for yourself. Using Google to search SW will give you the best results.

For Example Type in: Stripperweb + MyFreeCams + camscore

Stripperweb + Flirt4Free + Payment..etc

That will present a list of pertinent threads without waiting for answers or dealing with babble. Happy reading and good luck.

Hungry Bunny
12-19-2019, 06:13 PM
Hungry Bunny I would just like to say I love everything you've written here. Except "we" as a whole don't just love to sit on information. The info is here and has been shared time and time again. Some stuff you just have to ignore and search for yourself. Using Google to search SW will give you the best results.

For Example Type in: Stripperweb + MyFreeCams + camscore

Stripperweb + Flirt4Free + Payment..etc

That will present a list of pertinent threads without waiting for answers or dealing with babble. Happy reading and good luck.


Thank you.

I've noticed that about some other messageboards as well. The search function is janky at times and using google to search the site yields better results. Thx for the reminder!

In other news, I emailed someone from Flirt4Free today and asked about the issue with the "guests" being able to talk to me. I was told that I can prevent them from speaking to me by clicking a tiny settings icon on the upper right corner of the performer app. I'd never even noticed it. I also couldn't find it in the training. They've really been helpful in answering my questions.

These threads on this site and communicating with other ladies in the trenches is helpful too. Thanks to that $1000 a day thread, I've signed up for 2 indy cam sites and am learning about increasing my social media presence.

ep2002
01-13-2020, 08:36 AM
You seem combative. Underneath all of that, I agree with you... mostly.

I know what a time-waster is. It isn't some special term reserved for some of the camming viewers. Also, I'm not new to camming. I'm new to F4F, as I've stated. I still haven't worked 5 hours on the site yet, as I don't like that there's no option to keep "guests" from chatting with me. Of all the ppl in a room, 75% of them seem to be ppl without accounts, asking for free shit. Then, you have some of the registered customers, asking for free shit. Lol. I know that frustration, so I'm guessing that's why you're so combative. It's misdirected though... As far as me telling you what's stated in the Flirt Univ training, it's just that: me telling you what I've read. Somehow, that managed to irk you as well.

You and I have different definitions of what the word "pimp" means. That's fine too. Sites like these have saved some girls from the clutches of actual pimps. I can understand why you felt the need to bow out and leave the site, as no one was "forcing" you to be on there like an actual pimp would. In the $1k a day thread, there is a girl who's banking off indy camming. It's something I feel all of us should look into, even as just a side hustle. It's safe to assume we all like the freedom camming and other sex work brings. I knew some pimps had their girls advertising on Eros and Backpage (when it was around), but I didn't know about some cam studios. Thanks for the heads up. It seems as you're speaking to the men's insensitivity to the crap we deal with.

I agree that seeing a camgirl is a luxury, along with any other form of sex work. We're not here to care about their financial woes. Yes, it's stressful dealing with cheap dudes and fielding their questions/demands. For you, blocking them and getting them out of your head is the easiest solution. Cool. Yesterday, I worked on F4F for an hour. I noticed that we can right-click on a customer's username and block, send pvt messages, etc. It was also in the training, but I never checked for myself. I reference other forms of SW bc it seems that camming is the only one where it's unsavory to tell a cheapo to f-off if he doesn't want to pay your rates. Telling them off as a cam girl messes up my mood and makes me look bitchy to some paying customers who've just entered the room. I choose to ignore them and not feed the trolls. I actually had a guy who remembered me from camming a few years ago take me to pvt and say he's shocked I didn't curse the beggars out. I told him that wouldn't stop them from begging. They'd eventually get tired of being ignored and move on to another room.

The sites pay for traffic to the site. They aren't asking for tax returns and last months' banking statements upon registration. The other sites you work on, do they provide an endless supply of wealthy viewers who actually spend? If so, what's the site's name? Lol, or is that a secret too? I've seen how some of you ladies here love to sit on info...

You made a lot of assumptions. I'm someone who clicks off the chat if I've been in free chat for too long. I never stated, nor implied that I think it's okay to sit all day and talk to guys for free, hence me calling them mean. Too long for me is 15 mins with no pvt/adequate amt of tips. I don't even "perform" in the free chat for tips. That's an easy way for your feed to get recorded by some freeloading loser and put on some other site. I'm not an ugly, boring woman -- and I'm not going to be treated like one. Yet, I see less attractive and entertaining women at the top... That is my issue. I've talked to top girls ($15k+ a month) on some of these sites and they've urged me to just stay on. One girl, in particular, has over 200k followers on twitter and has been in several porns told me that sometimes, she'd be in the free chat for 2 hours without someone even tipping. She said "stay on, or you'll miss your big fish. It could be the difference btwn a $300 day and a $1300 day." But, I am not the type to just sit in front of a camera with strangers watching me and not profit from it. The point of staying on is that shortly after you give up/take a break, the money that would've been spent on you goes to someone else just because she was there. There's bullshit to deal with in any profession. That's just like the girls in the locker room at a strip club complaining about all of the broke guys out there. Meanwhile, the girls who toughed it out on the floor found the guy who just walked in to spend $$$.

Off-topic at this point, but I DO like how on F4F I can tell how many minutes the guy purchased the private for. That eases some stress of clock watching while performing. I also like that it displays on the screen when he's purchased more credits. Most of the contests seem to be geared towards fattening the purses of the top 3-10 people on the site. As a newbie on the site, eso no me gusta. Idk if that's common. I'd like to try out MFC. I've finished the registration and would like to read the thread, but it's too massive. I'd like to see how long they're going to keep my rate at 50% on F4F and try some indy camming first. I have zero social media presence as of right now. That's something I'm trying to rectify.

Sorry for the delay.

Just in case you didn't know, you responded to my comments that were meant for 2 other models beside yourself.

No biggie, I just wanted you to know that in case you didn't :)

Combative?

Yes, I will always be combative towards people who think we should work for free. And I do admit that I get irked by sites that don't work properly & companies that could care less about the girls & only about raking it in for their own greed.

I've also noticed that a lot of sites expect the girls to bring in ALL of their own clients so they can make commission off of their hard work LOL - too much.

But that's just me, I know most people aren't like me & that's ok.

As for assuming, I only went by what you said. To me it sounded like you agreed with what was in F4F's training manual & that's exactly what I went thru that first day.

So I'm assuming that you can block real account holders, but not the millions who don't have an account & maybe that's what happened. Or they changed things & are now allowing people to block.

I'm not going to reach out to some site to have them block 80 FLers. That's just stupidity, & I question why a site (the only one that I know of - someone can correct me if I'm wrong) that does NOT allow the models to block the people she doesn't like.

That to me shows they could care less that the girl is being hounded by assholes & she can't escape.

I probably would have tried the site out for another day or two, but b/c of what that pimp guy said, I ran for the hills. Totally shocked me.

You are right, technically they aren't "pimps," so I'll just say "pimp like" LOL

A pimp forces a girl to see any customer she gets whether he treats her like garbage or not, & that's what that guy was telling me to do.

I'm glad you are moving forward as a model, I hope you made some money this holiday season & if you ever want to reach out, just PM me. I agree with you, we shouldn't just sit around staring into the abyss making nothing. That's why I stopped camming on those types of sites. I started to feel like shit about myself, I was making a WHOPPING $1-3/hr. & I said I'd be better off doing management work & that's what I did.

Now I only make money when someone is ready to see me (most of the time).

Happy NY!!!

Sam38g
01-16-2020, 03:40 PM
When a site will NOT let the models block whomever they want then I see that as a major red flag. A site should trust that a model is doing what is best for her room. Dealing with beggars can bring a rooms mood down. And there are tons of predators on these sites that act as a group that all work together to bully performers into working for free.

So as far as I am concern they are siding with the predators & not the performers. And if one can't afford it, then they should not be on there watching but at a job working. It is NOT my concern if they can't afford it & their life's circumstances, cause they do NOT give a fuck about ours when asking us to work for free. Not running a porn charity for broke men.

And it teaches the free loaders that they hold the power & never will convert into a sale & sets a bad example for all the others. When they see free loaders & beggars getting blocked or kicked from a room, they all see it as a lesson of pay up or go away.

Why are they letting the men control the rooms & not the performers? It is that bullshit of how the performers must be nice no matter how abusive the customers maybe & tolerate the abuse... Which is highly detrimental to the well being of the performers.

laurielegs
02-04-2020, 12:49 AM
I'm done with this site now. I stuck around because I had a few regulars but the money has dried up for me, waste of time plus they have disabled my ability to set it for spycam when I go into private on another site and now have completely taken away my ability to block guests.

I've used them in my splitcam rotation for years but this is the first time they have taken these two features away (happened as of today when I logged in) so I'm deleting their software and will focus on my other sites. They have no respect for performers any more and since they are not willing to work with us not worth it at all.

ZafinaX
02-04-2020, 08:44 AM
@Hungry Bunny hell yeah girl, still peanuts...maybe now CRUMBS OF PEANUTS SMH
@laurielegs yeah girl I'm done with that site too. I went on there 3 times a month ago, 6 hour-shift each, $0-10. HELL NAW! LOL