View Full Version : Raise Your Rates - Challenge!
laurielegs
08-28-2012, 12:02 PM
I've only been on ImLive for a couple weeks now, but decided to raise my rates anyhow. I don't think you can raise it above $5.80 though. I just went up to $3.80. I've only cammed for a couple mos anyhow. I use MGF a little, tried Xpeeps (hated it; what a bunch of cheepskates!), and still have a contract from the two sessions me and my boyfriend did with SM through a "studio" which I've heard isn't even allowed to be mentioned on here. I'm liking ImLive, though now I'm seeing the rates you girls are charging and am just wondering how far I can really take it with this site if I can't push the high limits like you girls are. I don't know if you girls are in top notch shape, charging $9-14/min. I gained some weight since I was in my best shape, but I still look good and my boobs are now DD's, so I have a dif group of guys loving me. Thanks for the suggestion, I can't believe it's working so well for everyone. Hi 5 ladies!
I'm not a young thin goddess type and I've successfully upped my price.
ImLive is a different story to me tho.
5.80 is the most that anyone can charge there and although it used to be way better I find that the traffic has died down quite a bit at any price. I get very few shows there at 5.80. I rarely turn the site on any more. It's okay for a bit extra I guess but I could never pay my bills with such a low traffic site.
AliceFun
08-28-2012, 12:24 PM
Hello ladies, i wish to know what camgirls that are NOT in US, Canada, UK & Australia use to charge on SM for example pls? I wish to know how performers out of these areas manage work, i must say it's difficult to charge high when people are not willing to pay a model they know they'll never meet, we all know this fantasy is always in their minds when deciding to private with us. Plus when u are an "outsider" is more difficult to build a connection with people that have different life style than u. I can put up a good show but i just cant build a connection with members actually, is more difficult when u cant talk ur mother language, even my english is good i still have a foreign accent and i find myself very hurt when people want me to talk to them and when they hear my accent they leave my freechat room and even private room. I live in western europe but not from here originally. It's frustrating, i feel members just mistreat me cause of location/ nationality. Thank u for input xxx
Fridays
08-28-2012, 01:08 PM
Hello ladies, i wish to know what camgirls that are NOT in US, Canada, UK & Australia use to charge on SM for example pls? I wish to know how performers out of these areas manage work, i must say it's difficult to charge high when people are not willing to pay a model they know they'll never meet, we all know this fantasy is always in their minds when deciding to private with us. Plus when u are an "outsider" is more difficult to build a connection with people that have different life style than u. I can put up a good show but i just cant build a connection with members actually, is more difficult when u cant talk ur mother language, even my english is good i still have a foreign accent and i find myself very hurt when people want me to talk to them and when they hear my accent they leave my freechat room and even private room. I live in western europe but not from here originally. It's frustrating, i feel members just mistreat me cause of location/ nationality. Thank u for input xxx
I have an accent.
What kind of accent?
Sexy, hot, interesting, cool, awesome!
Who says so?
I say so and thats enough.
Everybody and their mom have an accent on this planet.
Do not let that stop you from charging what others charge..
If you can speak somewhat then speak.
Dear President of the United States of America,
this is the President of (whatever non english speaking country) France speaking.
I am so sorry, I can not attend that important meeting about world peace because I have an accent.
So go ahead and decide whatever you want, without me..
Oh and on the topic of energy and nuclear power
Soorrryy , I cant attend.
I have an accent.....
LOL
Come on now......
AliceFun
08-28-2012, 01:29 PM
Fridays, it's not about the accent only, no need to be sarcastic, i am seeking support and answers, my post is alot more detailed, i cam since 12 years and experienced alot of situations where members were not that much into me cause of location/ me being a foreigner, this is hurting my income, always did, together with other insecurities regarding appearance; here in this thread is a post of a russian girl telling she cant ask for more than $1.99/min cause people are not willing to pay seeing where she comes from. these are valid points to camgirls who try to be successful but are not that lucky to live in one of these countries listed in my original post. Have peace. I hope someone who go thru this situation will give some input, thank u!
Busygirl
08-28-2012, 02:38 PM
It's true, that we, who look foreign ( i look Russian) and have accent, though i speak it fluently and live in the states are disadvantaged. I experienced it on my skin several times. I would not charge less than 3 99 on sm though, this is a decent price over there. I would feel ashamed charging less, and it would make members think, why the heck i'm so cheap, something must be wrong with me. So not only the accent and looks can give you disadvantage, but the low price you are charging might look bad on you, so don't add this on top of all.
Fridays
08-28-2012, 03:47 PM
Fridays, it's not about the accent only, no need to be sarcastic, i am seeking support and answers, my post is alot more detailed, i cam since 12 years and experienced alot of situations where members were not that much into me cause of location/ me being a foreigner, this is hurting my income, always did, together with other insecurities regarding appearance; here in this thread is a post of a russian girl telling she cant ask for more than $1.99/min cause people are not willing to pay seeing where she comes from. these are valid points to camgirls who try to be successful but are not that lucky to live in one of these countries listed in my original post. Have peace. I hope someone who go thru this situation will give some input, thank u!
I was going to write a long post but I can feel that you choose to see the negative part instead of the positive one.
what about just raise the price to 4.99/6.99 and stop being insecure about everything......
Sometimes the only way is just to... do it!
GracieBlue
08-28-2012, 03:49 PM
I don't think Fridays is being sarcastic at all. I think she's trying to show you that you can be successful with an accent etc. I love accents, I swear my Irish ex husbands accent is what got me pregnant! ;)
Fridays, it's not about the accent only, no need to be sarcastic, i am seeking support and answers, my post is alot more detailed, i cam since 12 years and experienced alot of situations where members were not that much into me cause of location/ me being a foreigner, this is hurting my income, always did, together with other insecurities regarding appearance; here in this thread is a post of a russian girl telling she cant ask for more than $1.99/min cause people are not willing to pay seeing where she comes from. these are valid points to camgirls who try to be successful but are not that lucky to live in one of these countries listed in my original post. Have peace. I hope someone who go thru this situation will give some input, thank u!
Fridays
08-28-2012, 03:51 PM
I swear my Irish ex husbands accent is what got me pregnant! ;)
Im a sucker for accents too!!!
I love the Portuguese accent... omg...
I;d give 100% free shows to 1000 Portuguese men.. anyday !LOL
laurielegs
08-28-2012, 03:52 PM
I was going to write a long post but I can feel that you choose to see the negative part instead of the positive one.
what about just raise the price to 4.99/6.99 and stop being insecure about everything......
Sometimes the only way is just to... do it!
yes! yes!
I had an argument in my head too about why I couldn't charge more - blah blah blah but I read through all the posts in this thread and said to myself I'm going to go for it, try it for a week and see what the totals are.
I've already made more money this week than ALL of last week.
and it's only Tuesday!
and Tuesday is not even over!
Just try it!
Fridays
08-28-2012, 03:55 PM
It's true, that we, who look foreign ( i look Russian) and have accent..... are disadvantaged..
I know a TON and a half of foreign models who BANK all over the place and they are not in the US/UK...
So it is NOT true.
Dont get me started on this........ lool
laurielegs
08-28-2012, 03:55 PM
I don't think Fridays is being sarcastic at all. I think she's trying to show you that you can be successful with an accent etc. I love accents, I swear my Irish ex husbands accent is what got me pregnant! ;)
hahh ! for sure.
If accents are a problem then I wouldn't ever sell a show. I have the worst southern drawl ever.
Yes some southern accents are amazingly sexy, but I don't think mine sounds sexy - I think it makes me sound like an ignorant person with no education, but some guys love to hear me talk.
there are guys out there who will absolutely love your accent, no matter what it is.
GracieBlue
08-28-2012, 03:59 PM
That's great to hear Laurie! I raised mine too but have not been as busy. I'm going to stat strong and stick with it. I'm wondering if I am putting out a negative vibe or something. I need to change my attitude because I know I'm worth it! :)
yes! yes!
I had an argument in my head too about why I couldn't charge more - blah blah blah but I read through all the posts in this thread and said to myself I'm going to go for it, try it for a week and see what the totals are.
I've already made more money this week than ALL of last week.
and it's only Tuesday!
and Tuesday is not even over!
Just try it!
Peachesxo
08-28-2012, 04:44 PM
Yup. 100% agree with Fridays...
Being from an Eastern European country and/or having an accent shouldn't disadvantage you when it comes to $$$, I think the majority of these guys know you will never meet them so location/them not being close to you really shouldn't be a factor. If YOU believe you are at a disadvantage because of it and let that weigh on you, then it will become one, and you'll believe that's why.... when it really isn't.. Really. Milk that euro girl thing, the guys dig it. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I WISH I was eastern european because the girls from over there are unfairly gorgeous, there's something in the water I tell ya....
But yeah, if you don't believe me, go spend some time on MFC, a HUGE majority of the top earning girls with crazy high camscores who rape wallets day in and day out and often win Miss MFC (or are always in the top 20) are from Russia and Romania.
sweetgapeach
08-28-2012, 04:52 PM
Yup. 100% agree with Fridays...
go spend some time on MFC, a HUGE majority of the top earning girls with crazy high camscores who rape wallets day in and day out and often win Miss MFC (or are always in the top 20) are from Russia and Romania.
SOOOOO True!! And they BANK!!!!
Jessica1001
08-28-2012, 04:53 PM
hahh ! for sure.
If accents are a problem then I wouldn't ever sell a show. I have the worst southern drawl ever.
Yes some southern accents are amazingly sexy, but I don't think mine sounds sexy - I think it makes me sound like an ignorant person with no education, but some guys love to hear me talk.
there are guys out there who will absolutely love your accent, no matter what it is.
Isn't it interesting that some accents can make you sound intelligent and other make you sound like you're missing a cerebral hemisphere, even if you say the EXACT SAME THING? I saw this Oatmeal cartoon on the topic one time and died laughing... it's like the guy drew my thoughts. :-)
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ladyjalyn
08-28-2012, 05:52 PM
I am originally from Easter Europe, even if I have been in the states for over 10 years, I still have an accent... And I use it to my advantage... I am not a hot, skinny 19 year old (Oh God I wish I was!!!) and I do OK. So it has nothing to do with where you from or what your accent is- it is all about you, your attitude and willingness to do well... just my 2 cents...
AliceFun
08-28-2012, 06:45 PM
Thank you all sexy ladies for input, looks like i cant figure out what is wrong here, i think i am really burnt out from camming, i am tired of all insults i am getting on a daily basis, i think i am too sensitive for this line of work but i have to do it to keep a roof over my and son head, i am a single mom here & i really struggle camming, i cant get another job cause i wont make the needed money to pay my bills and food and all expenses. Obviously something does not work right for me otherwise i would be more successful, this is affecting me alot.
Few lines people come up with in my room: "are u a man?", "u have Down syndrome?", "omfg, u look like this and u charge these money per min?" (means $3.99), "wow your from the 1970's and your really a man?", "i'm outta here, nothing like in the pictures", "ur fat & soo damn ugly", "u from europe & expect to be paid that price per min?", "u'll not make anything here", "if u'll look better i would pay u a pvt", "u not even sexy", "u a disgrace on this site, u should go get a real job", "u not even native english speaker, u not worth the money u asking for", "why should i give u my hard earned money so u can live nice off it, i better pay somebody from my country, we wanna keep the dollars inside this country, dont wanna feed poors aboard" and i could continue over and over.
There is a saying of somebody famous (approximately)-> "Wear somebody elses shoes one day and u'll feel what it means to live that person life". Have peace!
Fridays
08-28-2012, 11:45 PM
"are u a man?", "u have Down syndrome?", "omfg, u look like this and u charge these money per min?" (means $3.99), "wow your from the 1970's and your really a man?", "i'm outta here, nothing like in the pictures", "ur fat & soo damn ugly", "u from europe & expect to be paid that price per min?", "u'll not make anything here", "if u'll look better i would pay u a pvt", "u not even sexy", "u a disgrace on this site, u should go get a real job", "u not even native english speaker, u not worth the money u asking for", "why should i give u my hard earned money so u can live nice off it, i better pay somebody from my country, we wanna keep the dollars inside this country, dont wanna feed poors aboard"
There is a saying of somebody famous (approximately)-> "Wear somebody elses shoes one day and u'll feel what it means to live that person life". Have peace!
Sorry this is happening to you.. but truth is it is happening to all of us, me included..
its hard to think you can do better when you are constantly bombarded with insults.
You need to take a step back and understand that for you it might be harder than for others.
But that doesnt mean anything.
We are capable of doing things we dont even imagine..
Mainly because we dont imagine them.......
Imagine you are strong and can deal with EVERYTHING that comes your away.
Always and forever.
Dont think anything BUT this.
And you will be just fine.........
CurvyWinona
08-29-2012, 12:10 AM
A guy came in and tried to take me down by asking me all stupid questions like were my parents divorced, was I sexually abused as a kid, what kind of illness that made me mute, and etc... all that just made me laugh because he himself might have something he isnt proud of and just wanted to make himself feel better by take down someone else like that. that or he was just plain fucktard like other people in my room said. Others were surprised at my reactions and backed me up. :)
Internet has ALWAYS and ALWAYS WILL have plenty of fucktards.. just ignore them and ban them with a chuckle.
GracieBlue
08-29-2012, 08:09 AM
These last couple of posts are reason enough for us girls/guys to raise our rates. We put up with a lot of shit as camgirls. I googled my cam name last night and sure enough there I was streaming. Now, I have my state geoblocked, I should not have been able to see myself. The site I saw myself streaming on was one of SM white label sites. I realized last night that this is a risky job and we should be payed well for it, IMO.
Disclaimer: I have never been able to find myself on SM. I opened a different browser and was not logged in to SM on this one. I was logged into SM on my normal browser. Maybe I'm missing something but it was interesting to see myself streaming versus just watching the encoder. I could see my whole chat room from the viewers perspective. I thought damn I need to step up my game! You cannot just log on and expect to make easy money. This is work bbs! I am actually glad I saw myself, what an eye opener!
Incantatious
08-29-2012, 09:48 AM
These last couple of posts are reason enough for us girls/guys to raise our rates. We put up with a lot of shit as camgirls.
^ Fuckin' A.
naughtycamgirl
08-29-2012, 10:22 AM
Fridays, it's not about the accent only, no need to be sarcastic, i am seeking support and answers, my post is alot more detailed, i cam since 12 years and experienced alot of situations where members were not that much into me cause of location/ me being a foreigner, this is hurting my income, always did, together with other insecurities regarding appearance; here in this thread is a post of a russian girl telling she cant ask for more than $1.99/min cause people are not willing to pay seeing where she comes from. these are valid points to camgirls who try to be successful but are not that lucky to live in one of these countries listed in my original post. Have peace. I hope someone who go thru this situation will give some input, thank u!
I think guys are not willing to pay foreigner girls higher rates because they GOT USED to pay them very little, I've seen girls from eastern europe, russia, south america charing ridiculous rates because life there is cheaper than europe or USA, and that is what hurt our business, especially girls living in europe since we are losing a lot on currency excharge.
btw I don't want to attack anyone, I am just stating the facts
NB: I have an accent and guys love it
HaydenBlue
08-29-2012, 10:41 AM
I think guys are not willing to pay foreigner girls higher rates because they GOT USED to pay them very little, I've seen girls from eastern europe, russia, south america charing ridiculous rates because life there is cheaper than europe or USA, and that is what hurt our business, especially girls living in europe since we are losing a lot on currency excharge.
btw I don't want to attack anyone, I am just stating the facts
NB: I have an accent and guys love it
Agreed. I don't think we should give foreign girls so much crap. $1.99 to them may be like $5.99 to us. So they may not even realize they are hurting USA models. I'd totally encourage them to charge more, but I don't speak Russian, so, lol.
ClaudiaReina
08-29-2012, 11:23 AM
This is what I don't understand for the life of me! I know I wrote about this in this thread or the other raise your rates thread, but: if you can live comfortably on, say $300 per month, charging $0,99 per minute, why not charge more, make more, and live in luxury? Why are we content with the bare minimum? Why are we saying that this is good enough for us? This is so degrading! I'm only an EE girl so I'm not worth as much as someone from the US? Why not?
Remember this guy?;D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONXpaBQnBvE
On the subject of accents and not being from the UK, US or Canada, I bank on my accent! On C4S my best selling clips are the ones that I only talk in, I don't do anything, just talk. And I have this terrible accent. I don't like it, but the guys go crazy for it! Well, I'm learning to love it:) And guys aren't that perceptive when they are horny, in front of a computer. I've been told I must be from the US, and I've been told I have a sexy British accent. Yes, both!;D No, I don't have either of these, but thanks anyway! Confidence, girls! It's crucial in this job!:)
ladyjalyn
08-29-2012, 11:26 AM
Agreed. I don't think we should give foreign girls so much crap. $1.99 to them may be like $5.99 to us. So they may not even realize they are hurting USA models. I'd totally encourage them to charge more, but I don't speak Russian, so, lol.
You are 100% right. In Russia, for example, average salary is about $700 a month, this include all millionairess and such. So if a regular household earn $500 a month it is a good income... Here is why a lot of easter europian girls are cheap in our eyes, but they are banking and living very well by making $200 a week... So for them $1.99/min is a good deal...
AliceFun
08-29-2012, 11:49 AM
Some time ago i wanted to work as a trainer for a studio in my original country, i went there to see what is all about, i got shocked when i realized how things really work in studios in eastern europe, russia and i bet it does work the same in south america and asia. anyway, they had a software that will open up all ur sessions the same time, models will work up to 15!! yes 15 sites at once, private oriented sites mixed with free chat and token sites, all in one, they got lost in 2 big screens, windows, site rules, payment style and all. they knew very little english or nothing at all, they were sitting in front of camera trying to figure out what is going on; their price was set at minimum on each site and they got peanuts from here and there, very hard to make a good living off it, plus the fact they got only a small percentage as the studio kept most of the money.
But for the ones able to have some success was still ok cause money added up from 15 sites working 8-9 hrs a day, 5-6 days a week.
So this is one of the reasons members are not willing to pay higher rates to models from certain areas; Just to let u know, life is not cheaper in europe, i pay everything in euros and the dollar is very low here, even in my original country everything is more expensive cause all hardware, cameras, clothing, lingerie and accesories, props, toys are IMPORTED therefore we pay alot for these stuff, for internet and mobile phone, cable and alot of services we pay the equivalent in euros. so thinking life is cheaper here is a misconception, it's very expensive especially for a camgirl and to hear things that i hear from members is pissing me off big style.
By the way, i did not go for the job at that studio cause i could not accommodate with their work style and how they exploited girls.
My point is, i am an independent camgirl living in an expensive country and i expect to be valued same like anyone doing this job and not mistreated cause i am not american/ british/ canadian, whatever.
I know accents are nice and sweet, guys might love accents i agree but we not talking about how nice and sweet accents are but about how much money u can make camming and how much people are willing to pay for a pvt show with ME, i have a special condition on my eyes and cant be on pc more than a few hrs a day, if i push for more i'll get terrible headache that will put me down simply.
I wish to make as much as possible for the time i am logged in. It does hurt my feelings and mood to put up daily with assholes that troll rooms and try to put people down, i was working for years on a non free chat type site where only paying members could see me and i got no insults, nothing. unfortunately that place is not profitable since years so i gave up on it and joined SM where i now have to put up with all the mess that comes with the free chat.
I know there are many models facing such challenges all over these adult sites, unfortunately very little on this forum as the majority of members in this forum are north american, canadian, british so u guys cant really relate regarding this matter as u not going thru this exact situation. I dont wanna argue with anyone here, i pointed out a situation some of us performers in this industry have to deal with, it's real and is happening. I wish members would not be soo judgemental towards performers outside their living areas, at the end u fucking a woman, not a nation dude!
I also know peformers are doing nasty things to competition, at the end we all fight to catch the bigger fishes, its a fact, we compete for members, seen that when i was trying to offer gold shows, i got an avalanche of heavy insults, after a week i just gave up on party chat/ gold show mode.
All the best!
ClaudiaReina
08-29-2012, 11:57 AM
I have a friend in EE who makes $200 per month (vanilla job). She isn't rich by any means but it's enough for her. So for her to make that in a week would be great. But wouldn't it be even better to make that in two days? In one day? In a few hours? Or maybe it's just me, I like to always have a goal and a higher goal after that and an even higher goal after that...Not because I'm greedy, just for the sake of the challenge, for the feeling of accomplishment. (but OK, I know, we're all different, ultimately if you're content and happy, that is what counts the most)
ClaudiaReina
08-29-2012, 12:09 PM
Alice, you wrote your post while I was writing mine, so I have to post again:)
It's true, the electronics are the same price, clothing, etc., same price. Here the real estate, food and services are cheaper though. I'm sure it varies from country to country.
And I'm sure there are many girls here who can relate to the accent thing, because many girls aren't from the US, UK, or Canada. Thank you for bringing up this subject, I think it lead to a very interesting debate and I know there are many EE girls here, and even more lurking:) My experience wasn't bad with my accent. Guys usually ask where I'm from and we can talk about my country...it's a good conversation starter. I think guys who don't want to see me naked just because my accent, don't deserve to see me anyway:)
Fridays
08-29-2012, 08:18 PM
I feel hurt that ALicefun did not click thanks on my last post where I was trying my best to empower her...
Maybe I am too sensitive.......
:(
AliceFun
08-29-2012, 09:30 PM
Soooory Fridays, i just now thanked everyone answering me, sorry if it's a bit late, writing my last post was difficult for me, i try to be and look strong but inside i am really hurt. I feel like a looser, not able to make more money and dont know why;
So again THANK YOU all for support!! God bless us all!!
Look I know I'm new and I know I'm a dork. Even talked about it in chat tonight! Been doing this a month. raised my pvt rates at SM to $2.99. Because of the challenge. Had numerous pvt chats,and two exclusive chats!!! I made $87 in 60 minutes!! How does that even work? Where has camming been all my life? Oh my gosh! I'm in heaven!
ShylaSweet
08-30-2012, 08:53 PM
Look I know I'm new and I know I'm a dork. Even talked about it in chat tonight! Been doing this a month. raised my pvt rates at SM to $2.99. Because of the challenge. Had numerous pvt chats,and two exclusive chats!!! I made $87 in 60 minutes!! How does that even work? Where has camming been all my life? Oh my gosh! I'm in heaven!
Look around at other models and never be shy to try raising your price and seeing how it goes, even if you are new on a site.
Definitely happy for you that you're doing well!
Cam_Model_Jess
08-30-2012, 09:24 PM
Yeah, I lowered my price to $2.99 once for about an hour and made a ton of money. Then raised it again because I was having to deal with too many customers at once. But yes, doing shows for as low as $2.99 will certainly get you some shows. And hey, if it's working for you, work it.
Fridays
08-30-2012, 10:53 PM
Look I know I'm new and I know I'm a dork. Even talked about it in chat tonight! Been doing this a month. raised my pvt rates at SM to $2.99. Because of the challenge. Had numerous pvt chats,and two exclusive chats!!! I made $87 in 60 minutes!! How does that even work? Where has camming been all my life? Oh my gosh! I'm in heaven!
not understanding this..
you raised to $2.99?
or u lowered to $2.99?
I know u said you raised to $2.99.....
Fridays
08-31-2012, 10:23 AM
@AliceFun
I dont know if this is your situation but I suspect it is...
Most models who cam from other countries ( been here, done that .;) ) have a particular way of doing stuff on cam starting with the way they dress to the way they....act, move.. etc..
SO it is easy to tell WHO is a girl in a foreign country and more so who is in a studio.
and this is whey customers dont really seem to be eager to pay, because the way these models do things translates into " this is work for me, Im here 9-5, Mo- Fri".
Slightly changing what you do and how you do it will create the illusion of fun, instead of work.
If you browse other sites where you can see the preview of what is happening in models room, you can almost immediately pin point who does this for " work".
Sex for work..... is a turn off .....
AliceFun
08-31-2012, 12:18 PM
@ Fridays
Not sure if this is the case but i admit i am money oriented and not willing to do anything on cam before i get paid, i am watching rooms around and i see how girls are doing their things, i must say i dont like when girls are giving away soo much for free and i dont like when they sell their assets soo short.
I know i offer a service and when somebody wants something from me they should pay a show and not expect to be entertained for free, my time, energy, outfits, internet are not free, this is like any other job where u are paid for ur efforts, i am not doing charity, even this job is sex related it's still a job, i dont think there are cam girls doing it just for the fun if there is no profit in it.
I dont act like a greedy bitch w.o feelings that wants their money, in my pvt shows i enjoy what i am doing cause i have my limits and people are happy with my performance, i have members willing to join my room in order to get what i am offering, i have shows of 30 mins or more both premium and exclusives.
I think my problem is in fact i am working a niche (fetish oriented shows) and not offering any hardcore at all and alot of members are looking specifically for this, to make it clear i'll say what i DONT DO on cam: no anal, no deep throat, no big toys, no crazy stuff, i only do softcore (pussy play with realistic looking average size dildo); i am almost 40 (i look younger on cam), i am somewhere between curvy and BBW but i have no big tits, guess my target is not that wide. i also dont talk in freechat and i dont flash for gold or free, i dont tease.
I work for myself and that's the work style i am happy with, i am not willing to entertain anyone for free; even if i show something/ tease in free they just watch and leave so i better save all for private and get paid for my services. plus i always have in mind that alot of people are watching me invisibly beside the ones logged in my room, i dont wanna be seen doing naughty things in freechat, i know in paid only the person paying its getting to see my sexual talents.
Besides that alot of invisible guests might wank looking at me in freechat so i dont wanna provide hot material for lurkers. not sure if my work style is the right one but that's how i feel about doing things, if i'll do them different i wont feel good with myself after i close session and go to bed, i wanna be content with my own self in order to accept my work.
Yes for me is pure work, i am not an exhibitionist by nature and camming is a compromise i need to make in order to keep a roof over my head and raise my son, i am single and not getting any support from anyone, this is my only source of income. if i knew there is somebody providing for me i could maybe relax and cam for fun but again, if that was the situation i wont cam anymore cause for me camming is not something to be proud of.
Thank you for thinking of me, guess u understood where i am about regarding camming. I know i'll not change my work style and as soon as here are other options regarding another job i'll quit camming w.o looking back, i pray god this will happen one day cause i really feel i reached my limits in this line of work.
Have peace
EDIT to add: i also consider north american/ canadian/ british etc nationals are more open to show sexuality, u have this freedom since long time ago and explore it in cam work as well, sex industry is huge over there especially in US, other nations are not really like that especially ex-communist countries, in EE women do cam out of need but our education is more conservative, we try to keep up with u guys but will never get where u are, it's just another world;
Fridays
08-31-2012, 01:32 PM
@ Alice..
lots of "don't;s" in the way you do camming.
But..
I suggest you try to understand that paying for cam shows is not a NEED for these members.
Its a "want".
They could live just fine without us.
So how do you make them pay and even more so how do you make them pay MORE?
I suggest you try to see it from a different perspective and think that since this is entertainment for our members..
its gotta "look" entertaining" for us too.. anything less than making it look entertaining will result in less $.
You are dead set on your perception.
I am dead set on their perception.
See the difference?
AliceFun
08-31-2012, 05:13 PM
I see things totally different, what people want from us is a need they have, if they would be gratified at home regarding their need they wont come to us. as we all know they have pretty weird requests, some of them and we fulfill this need. Live xxx cam shows are for many of them a luxury they willing to pay for, same like expensive cars and other luxuries.
Think of gold shows on SM, u got a fee per show and a count down, people know that in order to see ur show they need to pledge otherwise they wont see it, is the same for private shows but difference is privates are more expensive. Point is gold shows work for certain people only and not for everyone, u have to show alot in pregold in order to get people in and alot of models are not willing to tease a crowd in order to complete a show.
Before gold shows came up i was doing well selling privates but then members got used to pay too little for a group show and models also dropped their prices heavily in order to complete these shows, now there are requests like $1 for a 10 min show, u need alot of pledges and alot of members in ur room, these members get their needs satisfied for very little money & they not willing to spend big money for privates. Imagine 100 people taking part of a gold show and paying few bucks for it, they could be in our private rooms spending hundreds. Who wants a private will pick a model willing to do all kinds of stuff in her shows, mostly hardcore stuff, the average camgirl is loosing money cause of members newer habits on SM.
Regarding my "dont's", there are girls doing non-nude, flirt, softcore stuff, sites do not force people to offer certain type of shows, everyone does what is comfortable with and what works for them, thank god we have the freedom to decide what we wanna offer.
Here is a thread about Limits, cam girls have limits, unfortunately for studio girls is not easy job as they have goals to meet per shift and if they dont meet them they wont get a room on next work day, i have seen this with my own eyes and experienced this myself 12 years ago when i started camming in a studio.
I tell u, when there is soo much pressure on you to make the goal all bloody fun is gone and u focus on making money and keeping ur job.
Imagine studio girls, they have few short breaks in a 8-9 hrs shift (i worked 12 hrs shifts on my studio times) and if they feel sick or need to pee urgently or whatever they need to do off cam they need to announce admins they go for an emergency break.
Not to talk also about girls being watched/ checked by managers/ admins in freechat to see if they perform good, all girls are stressed studio staff is watching them and after their shift they need to look that people in the eyes; managers gossip and make fun about their models, i posted here i wanted to be a trainer for this studio and i got sick of work environment there. these performers dont have money at start to buy a pair of panties, they have no money for outfits or toys, if they get toys from studio they need to work and pay them. Of course they will look and dress different.
As i said, i come from different background, i have a different perception and is normal to be like this given the circumstances, as i posted in my original post i dont know these members mind sets cause they dont communicate with me for example, they come in asking for things directly, if i can do them, fine, we play, if not, they leave, they dont want to chat, they dont ask things, they dont care about me, they just want their needs filled and that's it.
I guess this is the fetish member pattern, cant tell, i always did fetishes so i dont know any different.
Maybe i should be more fake lol to make them think/ feel i am horny and need them soo bad, this will be difficult as i feel nothing like a small turn on when i work and i know many girls feel the same, porn stars dont let themselves loose when filming movies but ACT, so m i in my shows.
Dont know how many people in here will agree with me, is difficult to agree with something u not experienced and lived but hey, i dont wanna be Miss Popularity but present another perspective of cam work.
Also, i better be happy with what i can make given my "willing's", i promise i wont post new complaints. Thank you for support Fridays!
ladyjalyn
09-01-2012, 07:19 AM
My results for the first week after increasing private exclusive rate by $2/min...
I worked the same amount of hours, but did less work, had about half amount of privates, but they where much much longer (I would say 15min average, shortest pvt this week was about 5min). Lost about 3-4 regulars, who where never long pvts any way... After all my hourly rate is a wooping $23/hour more then weeks before and I made almost double then the best week I have ever had before... So yeeee...
BritishBecky
09-01-2012, 09:45 AM
Ok, I'm slow, but I'm finally in! Just raised my rates from $3.99/$5.79 to 5.99/6.99 (and emailed support to increase my max amount, will put up again when they do). I'd stuck at that amount for ages, thinking that I make $$ by having multiple guys in group chat at the same time. I just went over my last month's stats in fine detail, and saw that actually I hardly do any privates over 3 minutes long! Ok, there are usually 4+ guys in the room, but only one of them ever stays 5 mins or more.
Exclusives I still do well on ad frequently have exclusives last 30-60+mins (I do a mix of exclusives and gold shows). But, I figure those people who are happy to spend 6 a min for one on one will not complain about a rate of 8 or 9.
I'll try for a week and see.
Fridays
09-01-2012, 10:13 AM
All Im going to say about this ( because I think I have said everything that I could possibly think of) is that
I have doubled my price.. and I have double my earnings...
If others dont to do it because this that and the other thing... so be it.
They;ll have more money to spend on me lol..
So
thank you for not raising your prices.. lol
BritishBecky
09-01-2012, 10:23 AM
I'm coming at you! Just waiting for support to increase my max!
Dirty Peaches
09-01-2012, 12:03 PM
My partner and I are a bit torn on this. We just started on Streamate and we've gone on cam for 4 sessions of about 4 hours each, setting a goal of $100/session. So far we've exceeded the goal each night. But here's the interesting thing:
We had our rates set at $3.49/min premium; $4.99 exclusive and we were spending a large amount of our time in Free chat and the Paid sessions were brief.
Last night, we wanted to experiment a little. I started my period, but still wanted to go on cam. So I set my room to BJ's and tit flashing only, and dropped my rate to 99 cents/min prem ; $4.99/min excl.
We were in private nearly 90% of the time we were online and had anywhere from 8-10 people watching our premium shows at any given time. We actually made more money in less time than we do when our rate was $3.49/$4.99.
So what exactly is the key? Charge more and be in private less, or charge less and be in private more and with more people.
I also noticed there were less 30 second bouncers.
kinkydirtybitch
09-02-2012, 06:08 AM
porn stars dont let themselves loose when filming movies but ACT, !
I hate to break it to you sweetheart but there isn't any 'acting' involved. On soo many levels lol!
We get to fuck a huge selection of gorgeous hung guys all day long - whats not to get the horn about?!
Fridays
09-02-2012, 08:55 AM
I hate to break it to you sweetheart but there isn't any 'acting' involved. On soo many levels lol!
We get to fuck a huge selection of gorgeous hung guys all day long - whats not to get the horn about?!
omg.. the porn guys.....:10:
yummy!
IsobelWren
09-02-2012, 09:35 AM
I can never get them to buy it seems when I price it per minute. I guess I'm attracting cheapskates.
Would you mind sharing how you are taking payment? I was worred C4S might ban me for taking payment outside the site? I had just been putting up the vid at the agreed price but then I get assholes who are angry when they see their custom vid at a lower price later. damn some days Im an asshole magnet! lol.
C4S totally needs a deposit system like ELM has.
C4S doesn't care how you make a video or who you make it for. All they care about is what you post on the site and that it isn't illegal. I know C4S Sarah in real life. She is an amazing woman and through her I know they don't care what you do with custom videos. If you're making money and making them money when you post the video later, they're happy.
Here's the page on my site that talks about custom videos:
http://isobelwren.com/custom-video-form
What I do is, payment is made up front before I do the video. I do the video within two weeks and get it back to them and edited. I don't post it anywhere until they tell me they like it. Then I wait about a week and post it on all the VOD sites I'm on.
Re the bit on my site where I say I take niteflirt, I just send them a niteflirt tribute for the amount.
If a guy balks at my structure, he doesn't get a video. Simple as that. It's just like all the guys who want to pay for a cam show via paypal. The kind of "customer" who won't abide by your structure isn't the one you want in the first place.
As far as seeing their video at a lower price later, it says on my site that I'll post it, by default. If they bitch (which I've never seen) I think it would be good to remind them that, had they not paid for the video to be made, it wouldn't be there in the first place. It's not like you would have made this uber specific custom all on your own just for fun.
Jessica1001
09-04-2012, 08:30 PM
A financial blog I follow just posted a video that addresses the issue of raising rates, for freelancers. You will have to re-work a few of the ideas to fit in with camming specifically, but the concepts are so universal that it shouldn't take too much mental effort. I think it's incredibly helpful.
http://www.iwillteachyoutoberich.com/blog/how-to-raise-your-rates
Enjoy!
NewCamGirl1
09-04-2012, 08:56 PM
I hate to break it to you sweetheart but there isn't any 'acting' involved. On soo many levels lol!
We get to fuck a huge selection of gorgeous hung guys all day long - whats not to get the horn about?!
I know what a woman's vagina looks like when she's horny. It's not what I see on most female porn stars. The orgasms on most porn videos are fake. They could at least flex their anal muscles when they are getting off to make it look like their vagina is contracting. Anyone who has seen a real female orgasm knows what one looks like. I think for most men who watch porn it's not about the orgasm, it's about the money shot, her bouncing tits or the way her lips look or her voice, etc. I watch amateur porn for the fact that I like seeing women have real, dripping wet orgasms. Because I've yet to see a woman turned on that didn't have juices dripping and running all down her bum. Not so on porn.
Not to mention the majority of it is spent titty fucking, pounding a woman so hard she's screaming and flinching, or giving blow jobs. In my experience, none of which is going to make a woman have a mind blowing orgasm. Of course, the pounding, maybe, after about 45 minutes and her vagina is relaxed and extremely wet.
Fridays
09-04-2012, 09:41 PM
A financial blog I follow just posted a video that addresses the issue of raising rates, for freelancers. You will have to re-work a few of the ideas to fit in with camming specifically, but the concepts are so universal that it shouldn't take too much mental effort. I think it's incredibly helpful.
Enjoy!
I just watched it.....
hum.......
sweetgapeach
09-05-2012, 12:28 AM
Not to mention the majority of it is spent titty fucking, pounding a woman so hard she's screaming and flinching, or giving blow jobs. In my experience, none of which is going to make a woman have a mind blowing orgasm. Of course, the pounding, maybe, after about 45 minutes and her vagina is relaxed and extremely wet.
Oh Shit.....I guess I am a true FREAK, cause NOTHING gets me more wet than sucking dick!! Do other women really not enjoy it? The texture on my tongue....the thrusts...the precum, just completely does it for me!!