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Jessica1001
09-05-2012, 12:35 AM
I just watched it.....
hum.......

"Hum"? Really? That's your only reaction? Ummmmm... can you elaborate? LOL! :-)

(By the way, that wasn't even meant for YOU, little miss 'if my prices get any higher they'll need a spacesuit'.) :-P

<3

Jessica1001
09-05-2012, 12:43 AM
I know what a woman's vagina looks like when she's horny. It's not what I see on most female porn stars. The orgasms on most porn videos are fake. They could at least flex their anal muscles when they are getting off to make it look like their vagina is contracting. Anyone who has seen a real female orgasm knows what one looks like. I think for most men who watch porn it's not about the orgasm, it's about the money shot, her bouncing tits or the way her lips look or her voice, etc. I watch amateur porn for the fact that I like seeing women have real, dripping wet orgasms. Because I've yet to see a woman turned on that didn't have juices dripping and running all down her bum. Not so on porn.

Not to mention the majority of it is spent titty fucking, pounding a woman so hard she's screaming and flinching, or giving blow jobs. In my experience, none of which is going to make a woman have a mind blowing orgasm. Of course, the pounding, maybe, after about 45 minutes and her vagina is relaxed and extremely wet.

Oh goodie!!! Everyone's favourite! A post that's about to derail a thread into a debate about "what a woman is SUPPOSED to look like when she is experiencing a TRUE orgasm"!!! :-)

Perhaps we can discuss "legitimate" vs "illegitimate" rape, next? :-P


(Let's maybe agree right off the bat that orgasms are an extremely private and individual thing, each woman experiences them in her own special way, and there is no 'correct way' to look or 'correct amount' of secretions to produce. Please?)

Fridays
09-05-2012, 01:03 AM
"Hum"? Really? That's your only reaction? Ummmmm... can you elaborate? LOL! :-)

(By the way, that wasn't even meant for YOU, little miss 'if my prices get any higher they'll need a spacesuit'.) :-P

<3
LOL
made me laugh....

thats not my only reaction, I was going to elaborate " soon" lol

so in a nut shell , you add value and then you give them the choice to accept the new price or.. move on.
Pretty easy, kind of whats been said here or maybe not..
we actually never discussed that models would rather NOT let the members move on but would rather take whatever they can now, fast cash, even if its only $20 .......
Wait, we saw this here many times...
"Id rather have more privates, faster, cheaper price and I make some $.. than wait for privates..."
YES! we read this line many many times.....
+ the problem of the foreign models who only need I dunno $500/mo to live ok..
+ the problem that they dont really BELIEVE these people are willing to pay more
(God, I think I said this so many times.. you need to BELIEVE!)

Here is the problem, Jessica..
You... me.. maybe others... are not pressured by this week;s earnings.. could be $0, its ok.
In other words, we can afford to "waste" 2 hours so that later or tomorrow we make lots!
Others cant.
Cant afford that.
They need money NOW! Yesterday if possible.
Especially the ladies on Daily Pay... I think.

When you need money NOW you;re willing to do whatever you can to get that little bit of money NOW!
So here comes the.. I'll charge under the going rate... to make money NOW"
and thats ok.. but when comes that time to finally say. ok, im ok now, Lets do it the RIGHT way.
The only RIGHT way is to make some GOOOD CASH doing this..
I refuse to believe that any of the models would think that it is ok to do this job for little money.
I refuse it. totally. dont want to hear it. ( can u tell that im getting mad yet?lol)

Added value..
Hows some added self esteem for added value?
Hows cracking a smile more than often for added value?
Hows making one self look decent for added value?
but you see I cant talk about this..
Im gonna get slammed really bad.


this haunts me "raised my price to $2.99"..
I cant sleep because of this. LOL


Elaborated enough?

Jessica1001
09-05-2012, 01:26 AM
I give you an A+ on your dissertation, Fridays. Very well done. :-)

I cannot agree with you more about the "I need money YESTERDAY" problem. I think that girls who find themselves in this situation are at a real, real disadvantage, and need to do absolutely everything in their power to get themselves OUT OF IT, ASAP.

I know that sometimes girls fall on incredibly tough times, and this is easier said than done. But, often, I think it is something that CAN be achieved with the right mix of discipline, motivation, and sweat. It really really pains my heart at its VERY CORE (I am actually getting chest pains as I type this) when I see girls/women/anyone trapped in a vicious cycle of loans/fees/bills. They fall victim to predators who offer them the promise of financial salvation, but at very high interest rates. One misstep, and you're drowning. It's an endless treadmill, and it's soooo hard to get out once you are in.

This is why I think it is so important for camgirls to be DISCIPLINED with their business... so they can put aside a financial safety net for the inevitable day that their car breaks down, child gets sick, or something else occurs. In MY perfect world, no one would need studios, check-cashing places, or DailyPay (I respect the way you run your business very much, PJ, but it doesn't mean I can't wish for girls to not need your services), because they would have enough in their bank account to WAIT FOR THE DAMN FREE CHECK TO ARRIVE VIA SNAILMAIL. I really want each and every girl to keep AS MUCH OF HER OWN MONEY AS POSSIBLE, without needing to pay anyone a dime to 'get it here just 3 days sooner, because rent is due and I'm broke!'. Ugh... this shit seriously breaks my heart. :-(

As for how to 'add value' as a camgirl? Lots of ways. For example, have you:
-upgraded your computer equipment?
-gotten in better shape?
-perfected your makeup techniques?
-started shaving your cooch more neatly?
-optimized your lighting?
-purchased nicer looking bedsheets?
-bought three new dildos?
-started offering something new, like anal?

If you have done any of those things, then you have ADDED VALUE to your camshows, and you can absolutely justify a price increase.

And yes.. the video I linked does not say ANYTHING that this thread has not already touched on, which is why I felt it appropriate to post. Freelancers in the 'real world' systematically raise their prices. There is absolutely NOTHING about camming that makes regular rules of BUSINESS not apply.

ladyjalyn
09-05-2012, 04:09 AM
They need money NOW! Yesterday if possible.
Especially the ladies on Daily Pay... I think.

When you need money NOW you;re willing to do whatever you can to get that little bit of money NOW!
So here comes the.. I'll charge under the going rate... to make money NOW"
and thats ok.. but when comes that time to finally say. ok, im ok now, Lets do it the RIGHT way.


This is the smartest thing I have heard anyone say in a long time... And it is so true... I can attest to it... Not just long ago I was one of the girls who needed the money yesterday, I couldn't afford to have my pvt @ $12.99 to see what will happen. Was I happy with a $3.99/min- hell no, but did it, because I had to make sure the money is coming in. I worked my tush off to do what I had to do to get out of it...
I'm over that period of my life, now I can experiment with $12.99/min rates and have easy money, a lot of easy money. Because if I make nothing today, i will make 4 times that tomorrow... If I make nothing in 2 hours I will have a $200+ or even $300+ hour later, it will even up eventually...
I think the problem is (for the most girls), that they just don't believe, that some one will spend that kind of cash on them (been there, done that). They have this mentality "economy sucks now", but come on now- there is a ton of guys who can spend 100's a day, every day, like it's nothing. And they are not looking to spend it to watch a $1.99 girl go at it... They are looking for unique, a trill... blah blah blah... do I make sense? Hope I do...
In my opinion- let them keep the prices at $1.99 or even raise it to $2.99, I will take care of the rich men :)

maryjaynexo
09-05-2012, 05:05 AM
I emailed today for SM to raise my prices:

"Oh hi, what would you like it raised to"

"5.99 please"

"You can do this in the dropdown menu"

Menu is still normal prices that only go up to 4.99.

SM support never changes, lol

ladyjalyn
09-05-2012, 05:23 AM
$5.99? why not $12.99?

Incantatious
09-05-2012, 08:17 AM
this haunts me "raised my price to $2.99"..
I cant sleep because of this. LOL

<3 You 'n me both wifey! ;D

You girls are worth so much more than 2.99! Uhh, this may sound arrogant, but I wish I could bump my own posts sometimes.
I wish I could bump EVERY post with the huge smack-downs for low rates per min.

GracieBlue
09-05-2012, 08:23 AM
I agree with the sentiments of the past few posts, I think it is daunting for some (myself included) to raise their rates. It also definitely has a lot to do with self esteem and fear, especially if you are broke etc.

Does anyone have a certain formula for pricing gold shows? Thanks in advance! I will peep around the forums too.

justanothercamgirl
09-05-2012, 09:28 AM
Because I've yet to see a woman turned on that didn't have juices dripping and running all down her bum. Not so on porn.

It is my suggestion that you sleep with more women. I've slept with my fair share and I found that the above statement isn't always true.

Jessica1001
09-05-2012, 09:35 AM
It is my suggestion that you sleep with more women. I've slept with my fair share and I found that the above statement isn't always true.

Well, you've obviously been doing it wrong, JAC. :-P

justanothercamgirl
09-05-2012, 09:50 AM
Well, you've obviously been doing it wrong, JAC. :-P

Well, obviously! There is nothing else it possibly could be.

Hmmm....the only way I can fix this is to go out and sleep with a shit ton of more women. For science, of course.

Any volunteers? Now remember, this is a totally noble endeavor. It is for science. :D

Mlle_Mystere
09-05-2012, 09:58 AM
I haven't cammed since mid July so I'm thinking this is the perfect time to jack those rates up since I've probably lost everyone anyway lol. I just raised them to $5 and $6, but now I'm wondering just how far I could push it... drop-down menu goes to $9.99 for me :P

I don't think I've added much value though. My body looks the same, my appearance varies by night, and my lights have these aggravatingly cold, harsh, white bulbs. I'm not sure if it's really better than my old lighting, but I'm pretty sure I never streamed with the encoder before leaving, and I can now :)

Fridays
09-05-2012, 10:09 AM
There is absolutely NOTHING about camming that makes regular rules of BUSINESS not apply.

there is 1 thing......

but before that lets see if you ladies and me know of ANY porn stars or cam girls that made it rich from porn/camming.
I know 1 porn star.
Jenna Jameson.
To me she made it.
Cam girls? Maybe aspen from MFC?
but shes not main stream yet, no contracts with playboy or vivid ( I guess?) so I dont know . I;d say no.
Buying a car or a house is not making it, in my eyes..
buying 100 cars and 100 houses, it is.
Ok now..

So
why is camming different and what rules dont apply here?

this :
Because it is what it is and it is porn.
The guilt eats many of us on the inside.
( me not so much- I strongly believe just like you pay people to cook, so they are cooks or you pay people to build your house.. etc etc, any profession...you pay people for porn. You pay for their time and their willingness to help you out with whatever you two agree on.). To me my vagina is just the same as my arm, my legs, my face. Just another body part and I dont value it LESS, I value it JUST AS MUCH as any other body part.

You talked about guilt at a point, Jessica, I remember.
So guilt is what makes most of us double guess our self-worth.
there is NO guilt in real life businesses.
There is LOTS of guilt here...
Real, emotional, deep down inside the soul type of guilt.

So what do we do when we feel guilty?
We agree with the accuser. Silently.
We know they are right and we should NOT be doing this...
Therefore we do what we can to stop feeling guilty and part of that we think that if we lower the price they will NOT accuse us as much anymore because hey, its not even alot of money...
Edit: and when the price is low and they dont pay it we start to freak out " omg, I dont even worth 1 buck!! Im horrible!" and here depression sets in..

You do what? Charge to masturbate in front of a total stranger?
You stupid whore! GO get a job! You lazy fuck!
and we, secretly, kind of agree with that,, dont we...

So yea this is THE thing lol

housewench
09-05-2012, 11:19 AM
This is the Best Thread

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5240513/gif/Bolin%20-%20I%20believe%20in%20you.gif

WE CAN DO IT GAIZ

I raised my prices from like 3.99 to 4.49 over the price of two weeks and NO REGRETS.

NEXT WEEK I SHALL BE 5.99

Fridays
09-05-2012, 03:46 PM
I got this today" why do girls overprice themselves"
so I told him
" u better exit before I kill you and your family " .. LOL

aven
09-05-2012, 06:21 PM
We had our rates set at $3.49/min premium; $4.99 exclusive and we were spending a large amount of our time in Free chat and the Paid sessions were brief.

Last night, we wanted to experiment a little. I started my period, but still wanted to go on cam. So I set my room to BJ's and tit flashing only, and dropped my rate to 99 cents/min prem ; $4.99/min excl.

We were in private nearly 90% of the time we were online and had anywhere from 8-10 people watching our premium shows at any given time. We actually made more money in less time than we do when our rate was $3.49/$4.99.



You guys did so well because your rates was 7.92 or 9.90 for every min in pvt because you had so many guys....

But thing about how you guys would feel if you only had 1 or 2 people in your room at a time.

aven
09-05-2012, 06:33 PM
@ Alice..
lots of "don't;s" in the way you do camming.

I also don't do alot of the things that you listed and my profile is write for fetish guys.
Don't talk in the negative.
Don't tell guy what you won't do ( unless of course they specially ask )
Tell them what you will do

I say all the time in my room" that offer hot sex show with real O's and I only do what I like"

I don't say l I am offer a "soft core toy show and won't do anal and hard core pounding."

Guys don't want to hear what you won't do.

I always try to talk in the positive when I am on cam and selling show.

AliceFun
09-05-2012, 08:17 PM
The Dont's list was for u girls to read here not for members !! hahaa !! I always focus on what i CAN do. xxx

justanothercamgirl
09-06-2012, 10:10 AM
You talked about guilt at a point, in verified, Jessica, I remember.


Um, Friday.

You do realize that you just posted IN THE PUBLIC FORUM mentioning something that might have been said in verified.

Why you do that, bb? Why?

Fridays
09-06-2012, 10:20 AM
Um, Friday.

You do realize .........

Why you do that, bb? Why?

ops, did not mean it like that...
I edited!
I meant it like: i did not want to take credit for something that Jessica brought up first.
I wanted to give her credit for that....

I guess everyone who has the " verified" logo and link should remove it, while we;re at it.
First rule of the Fight Club
There is no Fight Club.
just a million links to it...

shy, pick your fights, will ya?

Jessica1001
09-06-2012, 11:54 AM
Well, I guess I'm the one who got 'quoted', and I'm not offended, soooo.... Great reminder, and let's let this one slide, shall we?

At least she didn't quote from the thread where I revealed the secrets to making $10k per day... THAT would have been bad....


:-P

GracieBlue
09-06-2012, 12:29 PM
Not sure if these two are correlated or not but...I'm having better placement sice raising my rates!

Thanks Bbs for educating and encouraging me! I wouldn't be her without you. Oh wait this isn't an awards show. ;)

Incantatious
09-06-2012, 12:50 PM
Thanks Bbs for educating and encouraging me! I wouldn't be her without you. Oh wait this isn't an awards show. ;)

...Oh! This is SO an awards show!

31609

ladyjalyn
09-06-2012, 01:11 PM
Not sure if these two are correlated or not but...I'm having better placement sice raising my rates!

Thanks Bbs for educating and encouraging me! I wouldn't be her without you. Oh wait this isn't an awards show. ;)

Let me guess- you are more confident, so more guys like you and more of them add you to favorites. And you are most likely making more money. These 2 are a big part of placement. Good job!!!

laurielegs
09-06-2012, 01:43 PM
Let me guess- you are more confident, so more guys like you and more of them add you to favorites. And you are most likely making more money. These 2 are a big part of placement. Good job!!!

Yes, Yes and Yes! :)

I am so thankful for this place and the encouragement. I doubt I would have had the guts to try raising mine!

catgirl
09-06-2012, 02:11 PM
last week i went from 4.99 pvt/6.99 exl to >>> 7.99 pvt/9.99 exl :D
ive had one guy complain, and he STILL took me exclusive! i'm still busy and i make more doing less work, giving me more enerfy to work longer (i think someone said this earlier as well)
ladies- you can do it!! :)

GracieBlue
09-06-2012, 03:30 PM
Let me guess- you are more confident, so more guys like you and more of them add you to favorites. And you are most likely making more money. These 2 are a big part of placement. Good job!!!

I think you are right! I do feel pretty fabulous these days!

Peachesxo
09-06-2012, 04:04 PM
I'm at 6.99/9.99.... for now

I'll probably be upping them again soon. We shall see :)

Make that 7.99/10.99!!
And it's been going GREAT!! I like keeping a $3 gap between the two and 10.99 is the highest I can go right now, so I'll be sending a nice little e-mail over to support soon so that I can experiment some more if I so please to.... just for science, of course. }:D

AND ALSO, for any girls who are hesitant about raising their prices because of their regulars.... if they love your show they will keep paying YOUR price so that they can see YOU. A few dollars isn't going to change their minds and make them go to another model instead. Not one of my guys has said a single word about all of the price jacks I've done over the past few months.

Incantatious
09-06-2012, 04:18 PM
I have debated which thread this should go in, but because this is me reporting back on my increased prices, this felt the most fitting. If any mods think it should be somewhere else, of course feel free to put it where you see fit.

A sobering, potential realisation which may or may not be accurate, but I am doing so badly lately, that this one niggling possibility is still something I feel I need to take into account:

I cannot pull off the "classy, stubborn and deserving" attitude that I have adopted to go along with my high prices...

In some ways (for my own sanity really) I have felt it necessary to put a bit of a bitchier spin on my persona - I am more stubborn, much more rigid (i.e. "I won't lower my prices guys get this great gold show deal!"), and much more righteous, in order for me to deal with freeloaders and guys who complain. And also to prove to myself that I can do this of course.

I deserve to be paid $9.99 (£2.19 - my cut) per min to do all of the things I do, so when I get times when I just seem to be swamped in all of these crappy, demanding, nasty-ass freeloaders and guys telling me this "show tits now", "be sexier to get more tips", "you need to tease more, show us some ass" shit (oh my GOD), my patience and tolerance decreases the more my self-belief and price increases!

I never used to get this angry at freeloaders and beggars. Ever.
But at the same time, I can't remember having this many, but I've no idea why. A $100 gold show with a $5 buy-in for 5 mins seems to me like the bare minimum. Anything lower than that for me just doesn't sit quite right. But I just can't seem to make them lately. I'm pretty lucky in fact if I go over the half-way mark.

It has got to the point where I will actually convey my feelings like "what is going on?", "omg seriously you guys?", "maybe I should just turn the cam off and masturbate alone? lol", talking this way to my guests if they treat me like this because I am ME! And I don't deserve to be treated so badly:
1. When I'm trying to work.
2. When already I am entertaining for FREE in FREE chat!

No sir. No you shall not get anything for free sir. Get out. :|

But I can't work my room like this. Reaching targets is getting too stressful. I am going to have to resort to selling myself shorter. If I am being treated like this then I will have no choice in the matter.

Unless my paranoia is right, and even the top girls earning are suffering (every time I look at a top girl, many of those too are struggling to get $100 goals, with the odd exception), I am starting to feel down.

I am 25 years old. I originally set my age on SM as 23, but I got guys tell me that I was much younger, so I set it to 19 and that seems to fit me...
I guess I seem to fit that horny teen thing more than anything else, but that horny teen can't so well pull off a classy persona that commands respect, even though it is rightly what I, and every other camgirl should be earning. It has dented my self-esteem to the point where I think "If only I looked differently - older; classier; more adult-like facial features; less naive; less innocent and babyish - I would be able to pull this off.

I put my prices up and I start doing well, so I let my ego get the better of me, which has ruined my cam persona, and it doesn't suit me. Plain and simple.

I have no idea.. As admittedly hard as I'm finding it at the moment, if anyone told me to find another job, I would flip shit. :P I love my job, just not so much when I'm not doing great. I know I can rock this, maybe I'll cheat on Streamate with AdultWork or MFC... I am so sorry to be a downer. This was a vent as much as anything, and I promise myself that I will make up for this with an epic post of great positivity when I get it again.

sweetgapeach
09-06-2012, 07:03 PM
Oh Incantatious...you sound like you need a great, big hug. Sorry you are having a bad time of it. I started last Nov and burnt myself out trying to catch up bills and pull Christmas for three kids and survive. And just stopped for MONTHS. So, I am going back in slow for the past two months. Don't let the negativity get to ya!! It's gonna pick back up soon...just keep having faith. Re-read all your first posts, you've come a long way babes!! You are one of the success stories, IMO.

Jessica1001
09-06-2012, 07:17 PM
Hun, it's not you. Everyone's watching the election speeches. Shhhh, I think obama's up next!!! :-P

(Seriously, hugs!!! But i KNOW this is just temporary. One thing though-- do NOT allow your viewers to smell your desperation. Do not. Your laptop will be arriving in no time, and you'll be back in business. I just know it.)

laurielegs
09-06-2012, 08:20 PM
Hun, it's not you. Everyone's watching the election speeches. Shhhh, I think obama's up next!!! :-P

(Seriously, hugs!!! But i KNOW this is just temporary. One thing though-- do NOT allow your viewers to smell your desperation. Do not. Your laptop will be arriving in no time, and you'll be back in business. I just know it.)

I agree!

I really think this is a bad week to judge anything due to the election speeches interruptions and everyone getting geared back up after the holiday long weekend.

It may just need a bit more time and tweaking! I'm having a hard time adjusting to going longer between shows but my money total is more and I have to keep telling myself to look at the totals.

Last year when I tried raising rates I just didn't give it long enough.

justanothercamgirl
09-07-2012, 10:15 AM
ops, did not mean it like that...
I edited!

I figured it was a totally accident, thus the lighthearted joke.

Heck, I've slipped up myself. ;)

justanothercamgirl
09-07-2012, 10:17 AM
Well, I guess I'm the one who got 'quoted', and I'm not offended, soooo.... Great reminder, and let's let this one slide, shall we?

At least she didn't quote from the thread where I revealed the secrets to making $10k per day... THAT would have been bad....


:-P

Oh, I wasn't offended at all. I just wanted to point it out since it is so easy for all of us to slip.

XAnastasiaX
09-12-2012, 01:20 PM
Rasing rates was the smartest thing I could have ever done. I plan to raise them another .50 cents when I get to a full year on the site ( April time frame), I did lose two regulars but both were cheapo anyways. Ladies decide what you are worth and don't accept anything less! I had two 50 minute exclusives Saturday night one with a 50 dollar tip, remember like attracts like and you can't get department store pay at a dollar store price! Sure some nights I spend longer in free chat waiting on someone to take me but then when they do it's more quality, I do have a strong bannhamer though and if someone is an asshole I will ban even during a show! You have to realize you are a luxury and charge accordingly!

You are worth it!

Rosannaxox
09-18-2012, 10:12 AM
just seen a girl in group before and now in pvt at this price. deff raising mine now :O!

Classy_Katy
09-18-2012, 10:26 AM
A "porn star" maybe? Not sure how much business they'll really get...

Rosannaxox
09-18-2012, 10:41 AM
nope, just a normal girl. only got 14 feedback and at least 3 bad ones too!

Classy_Katy
09-18-2012, 10:42 AM
yikes!

ukmissy
09-18-2012, 11:21 AM
I guess for the 25% negative feedback , the guys didn't think they were getting their £6 per min worth :) Best to be realistic I guess. hahaha

Rosannaxox
09-18-2012, 11:52 AM
i haven't seen her in private since haha. i upped my price to £4.11 pvt and got taken private :D keeping it at this! can't belive i used to charge £1.50ish

sexysusie
09-18-2012, 01:16 PM
Good if she can get it, let's see how long it lasts

Fridays
09-19-2012, 01:35 AM
how much is this in $? lol

Jessica1001
09-19-2012, 03:01 AM
Lower than what you charge, Fri. Don't worry... you're safe. ;-)

ukmissy
09-19-2012, 04:34 AM
how much is this in $? lol

6 British pounds sterling = 9.7416 US dollars

Fridays
09-20-2012, 02:43 PM
Im curious about something.....
How much would you charge if you had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how much others charge
and you had absolutely no means of finding out?

Eye
09-20-2012, 03:10 PM
Im curious about something.....
How much would you charge if you had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how much others charge
and you had absolutely no means of finding out?

Oh wow! I have NO CLUE! That's why I love researching all this before I start. LOL

LadySenja
09-20-2012, 03:30 PM
Im curious about something.....
How much would you charge if you had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how much others charge
and you had absolutely no means of finding out?

I know what I'd charge, and it would cost dearly, but I've learned from bitter experience never to answer questions like that in the open. Has a tendency to draw comments about my having an inflated sense of my own worth.

sexysusie
09-20-2012, 05:47 PM
Fuck an inflated sense lol! I wouldn't just pluck a number out of thin air though, i'd probably weigh up how much giys usually pay for that sort of thing on other sites, how much they pay for porn in general, and how much i'd be earning doing something else, plus all the personal safety/ privacy issues and base my price on that. I'd probably have come out with around £4 per minute my cut.