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Fridays
02-21-2012, 10:16 PM
To the OP.
You should start beliving you can make more...and stop thinking it is Hard.
You;re brainwashing yourself and dont even realize it...
To roast
why exactly me posting part of my earnings from today ( it so happened that those were made right after this thread was started) will.... create.. what.. debate? drama?
Like really..
Im showing people they can still make money charging more... and Im the one whos going to be in trouble?
LOL
This is the most ridiculous thing ever.
My earnings are not relevant?
Hell yea they are.
Dont make me post the whole spread sheet from today......
whiteheat
02-21-2012, 10:45 PM
I suck at premium apparently, unfortunately, except for the first guy, they all jump in for a minute or less, this happened also at the first weeks when the rate was lower... so my premium rate stays at 4 +
TheBrownFox
02-21-2012, 10:46 PM
why is this another thread?
we have already 2 major threads on this subject..
Yup, I thought the same thing. There's a "Raise your rates" thread and a "Please stop being cheap" thread, and I liked both of those threads.
Also, I'm noticing that there seems to be a new Streamate thread created daily on here. Awesome, informative threads that used to remain active are now being buried towards the back pages because of the constant MFC and SM threads that are popping up. There is really no need to start a new thread every time you have a bad night on MyFreeCams. :P Just post about it in the MFC thread and/or in the Dear Diary thread.
I think the total number of SM threads have got the MFC threads beat. LOL.
Holly_xoxo
02-21-2012, 11:00 PM
I think if the OP is happy with what she's making and is finding her time working enjoyable then that's all that matters. It's about finding what works for you as an individual and I dont think it's fair to say if someone is charging less than most that she doesnt value herself. That's a pretty quick judgement call to make about someone that you don't know.
idgaf_luvr
02-21-2012, 11:28 PM
I know one thing for sure. People who complain about her 1.99 rates should be the same people who don't do gold shows. IJS
GlamourRouge
02-21-2012, 11:38 PM
I know one thing for sure. People who complain about her 1.99 rates should be the same people who don't do gold shows. IJS
And what's funny is, several of the girls in this thread talking about how they make good money with high rates and would never have "low" prices because its trashy/sad/pathetic/loser-ish/whatever have done gold shows & still do them. One of these girls from this thread I saw online on Streamate today & she did a $9 gold for 9 minute show! That's less than a dollar per minute. I don't think she would have done it if it wasn't more profitable than her "high" exclusive price, right? And she did this show as she was posting about how sad it is that girls charge such low prices. lol, so its funny to me.
And its also funny that no one can see that everyone is still arguing different things. No one EVER said you can't make money with a high rate. That's obvious. But what a lot of people seem to fail to comprehend is that it is possible to make even more money with a lower rate (multiple men in group mode). And for charging "lower" it does not make them losers or trashy or whatever other names have been thrown around in here. It makes them smart businesswomen for knowing the price that makes them the most money. And that price is different for every girl whether its 50cents per minute or $20 per minute.
Bianca Brazil
02-22-2012, 12:08 AM
Kinda of topic but what is "group mode" everyone is speaking of on SM?
luscious sadie
02-22-2012, 12:10 AM
premium chat where more than one person can watch you at a time.
OJenni!
02-22-2012, 12:17 AM
I have done both high and low rates on SM. But back when I first started over there I was $1.99 for a solid month or two. I sold on average around 500-600 minutes a week back then. Not too shabby, but not great either. My rating was 4.5 stars. I had a lot of 5 stars, but would every so often get 1 star or some other rating along the lines of 4 star or below.
After taking nearly a 1 month hiatus from the site I upped my rate to $3.99. I started selling on average 700 minutes or so a week and my rating was solid 5 star (I have only had 5 ratings less then 4 stars since changing my rate). I also spent a few thousand upgrading my technology for this job-mainly my internet connection, two new computers, new camera and capture device, some other add ons, etc.
That said I do, once a week for about an hour or two, bring the rate back down to $1.99. I do this when it is feeling rather slow, when I feel like "well I would rather make something then nothing". I never let my customers know that I do this, that way it is a complete surprise for them. Its like a special treat for them. But only done once a week and only when I feel like it.
It helps your placement more if you are in a private, then if you sit in free chat for 30 minutes without anything. And when it is down and you would rather make money then logging off, lowering the rate isn't such a bad thing. But keep in mind never tell your customers when to expect it. You don't want them taking you for granted. But also keep in mind our customers are not walking ATMs, so treating them every now and then isn't a bad thing.
lolabunny
02-22-2012, 12:20 AM
To the OP, I feel u should do whatever makes you feel comfortable, if that price works for YOU and YOU don't feel the need to change it, that's totally fine...wanna bump it up later, that's fine too and that's all you need to know:) I want to say much more but ehhhh, why bother...but yeah, I am also noticing some girls who aren't practicing what they preach lmao
ElianaIsis
02-22-2012, 02:32 AM
Jenni, I haven't lowered my rates as a surprise for guys, but I have thrown them a more personalized gold show before. These are reserved for the guys who have hit the high 2 and 3 in spending level. It's also very rare, but they love the little present.
jessycalove
02-22-2012, 04:39 AM
There have been so many arguments about how much you should charge per minute.
"You should charge what you think you're worth" seems to be the most agreed upon answer for this question. But why should someone think they're worth $1.99 while another performer charges $4.99 per minute? I don't really think all performers who charge $1.99 think they're worth $1.99. A Big Mac and fries is worth more than that. :) Honestly, I don't think there is anything wrong with charging so little. Fans may appreciate you knowing that you are just as good as a performer who charges $4.99 per minute. I'm sure I have customers who would spend $9.99 per minute but they know they don't have to. I have five stars, I offer all services plus phone in excl., I talk the entire time in free chat and I have fun. My premium rate is very low and my exclusive rate is very high. 1..99/4.99 and I usually get 70% premiums/30% exclusives. I've tried raising my rates on a previous SM account and did that slowly but I found out that lowering your rates works so much better for me. I have not and would never go lower than the rate I'm currently at. There are really pro's and con's to any rate you choose, whether high or low. Nothing is wrong with the price you choose as long as you don't make any drastic changes. Customers don't like drastic changes. With an average rating of five stars, many customers will feel safe selecting me since my price is lower, they won't be let down.
"But you're gonna get so many beggars coming in wanting freebies cause you're so cheap"
Honestly, I hardly ever get beggars on SM. People hardly even ask to see my ass anymore. People get right down to it. "Do you dirty talk? Will you say/do this in pvt? Okay, Lets go". I maybe get asked 1-2 times an hour to see my ass and never get asked to show boobs. When I do get the occasional beggar, 90% of the time I can turn them into a customer.
Customer: Do you dirty talk?
Me: Yes, BB (lol)
Customer: Let me hear you say "F me hard daddy".
Me: I can turn you on daddy. Are you ready for a show?
*Private*
I would probably get more beggars if I spent more time in free chat but I usually don't spend more than five minutes in free chat. Only because it's consistently busy. Many of my customers are very respectful and appreciative that a majority of them end up tipping me after my shows. I tend to get tipped $5,$10, $20 regularly from customers after the show. Which I never got when I charged more. I also noticed somewhat of a pattern with my customers and the biggest reason why I choose a lower rate.
$1.99 per minute group shows- 4-10 people who STAY in the room. I always have a minimum of 4 people in my room who stay for 2 minutes or longer. I tend to have about 10 people in the room at a time, some pass through but most stay for a minute. Shows last about 15 minutes and its common to make $30 in 15 minutes. I usually get tipped by one person after each premium show. And make about $40-$60 an hr.
$2.99 per minute group shows- 1-2 people who stay in the room for 2 minutes or longer. Most shows last about 6-7 minutes, I don't get tipped and I make about $23 an hour.
$4.99 per minute group shows- 1 person stays in premium show for 2 minutes or longer. Most shows last about 4-7 minutes, I don't get tipped and make about $23 an hour.
I know many performers who say they make $100 an hour and they have higher rates but it's probably cause they split-cam or are one of the top performers on mfc or something. Right now, I work on SM alone. I thought about split-camming but it seems like too much to handle and I wouldn't be there for my customers as much. For some of us, it's not so easy to make $100 an hr. I'm happy making $50 an hour on a site that benefits me (for the most part). Anyway, some of you may love this or hate this. I don't expect answers, just wanted to share my thoughts.
great post finally someone is making sense about the low rates vs higher,i am charging what works for me i dont need to follow high rates to make more rather have more regulars at one rate that i want.
roast
02-22-2012, 09:19 AM
I know one thing for sure. People who complain about her 1.99 rates should be the same people who don't do gold shows. IJS
good god - quoted for truth, it is wildly inconsistent logic otherwise.
this was brought up in another thread and the ppl most venomously angry about low rates... dont have a justification for doing gold shows because it is a big gaping hole in the argument. if your rates are up the wazoo but your gold show commitments are anything below 2.99 (per minute)- youre doing the exact same thing that makes you so angry.
but it proves what a few are trying to say: the reason is because the goal is an overall high quota, that's everyone's goal - some rely on excl to do it, some rely on groups, some rely on gold shows. the method how ppl get there is on a case by case basis - because there arent guarantees there are too many variables, that make everyone's approach different.
I only care about higher prices bc going lower can represent a cultural shift in who cam customers are and what they expect (Ive always included SM's gold shows and ImL's Happy Hour in this awful trend of incredibly discounted group shows) and what trends now will go even LOWER in a few months... then even lower than THAT in a few more months. But that isnt something you can predict or even follow --- but every 3-6months here, people post about needing a new site or their first site being a dud... there is a reason for that, you know?
but then again, like hayden said - your own goals are the goal, more to the point - what h0ttie said about earning high in a way that is sustainable (no matter the method) is all that matters. These convos dont insta-translate into anyone's earnings pages. People have to work within the cultural environment of a site to even earn... if the site's high PPM structure culture is relying on gold shows instead: you still have to earn even if that'll change the site in a year. Gold shows are lucrative, if they werent, no one would do them. They are also very affordable and can draw in customers who cannot afford PPM rates (aka it is cheap). It casts a wider net on the salary of customers who can pay for live porn... which equals more income potential in the short term. I get it.
Hayden's raise your rates challenge was a great compromise - looking out for yourself first, then the collective second.
A few people on team #chargehigher are bringing up subjective touchy feely things like "valuing yourself" and "price for getting naked on the internet" all of this other hogwash - sex work is about a business model. Factor in things like are you a porn star/celebrity, risk of pirating, your equipment, your internet bills, your taxes, customer service time offline, how much you can log in, offline promotional time, etc. Everything thing else is just weird moralistic diva stuff that really has no function in a business model.
Some sites it is clear charging higher works and discourages bawwwlers and whiiiners. Some sites, charging lower works with the culture of the site. Some people have a limited amount of time to earn - some dont. For example, I think Ive said here that I basically do phone sex 24/7, and have for years. So I can charge higher to do it because I literally... have all day, and already have regulars for it. If someone wanted to start out doing phone and only had 2hrs to do phone every day, it wouldnt make sense for them to charge high.............. you know, variables!
But again, this thread is about SM.
Personally I tend to focus more on longer term sustainability which is why Ive always advocated for ppl to do clips or stick it out on sites like NF for example... but if I were pro-shorter term sustainability, Id be pro-gold shows all day. Something about 'valuing myself' or 'you gotta pay for my pussy' has nothing to do with sustainability or earning high: that's morals, that's subjective personal philosophies, that's... something else that I cant put my finger on. With people bragging about not getting naked in the first 10mins (even though they dont do fetishes or domination) and whatnot there is always an undercurrent of... almost enraged shame that accompany these kinds of threads? idgi? If youre naked youre naked, if youre not youre not - lol who gives a crap. The ppl who intentionally ripoff high-paying customers just bc they can and think it is makes them a diva or something are doing everyone a disservice and are pushing high-pay customers to lower PPM girls who will... actually get naked.
Ive been a sex worker for awhile - the people who end up bailing, being inconsistent, or hating this industry are the ones who view this as a way to prove or assess your personal 'value'. No. That isnt what this is about. If that is how youre approaching porn: 1. It is not that serious. 2. youre going to burn out.
Detach yourself emotionally from your stage persona. Like focus on longevity and customer retention and returns on investment and trends and figuring out what works, that kind of thing. Not how do you feel about yourself as a woman - lol what? You arent you - youre a product. Market yourself as higher end product if you want but do it because it is lucrative to you and you have evidence to support that this works in the longterm. If it does: supa-awesome! Right on sister. If it doesnt and you wont readjust bc of moralistic reasoning ... well, eep.
Come on, we get keyboards sticky, y so srs and angry.
HaydenBlue
02-22-2012, 10:18 AM
good god - quoted for truth, it is wildly inconsistent logic otherwise.
this was brought up in another thread and the ppl most venomously angry about low rates... dont have a justification for doing gold shows because it is a big gaping hole in the argument. if your rates are up the wazoo but your gold show commitments are anything below 2.99 - youre doing the exact same thing that makes you so angry.
what h0ttie said about earning high in a way that is sustainable (no matter the method) is all that matters. These convos dont insta-translate into anyone's earnings pages. People have to work within the cultural environment of a site to even earn... if the site's high PPM structure culture is relying on gold shows instead: you still have to earn even if that'll change the site in a year. Gold shows are lucrative, if they werent, no one would do them. They are also very affordable and can draw in customers who cannot afford PPM rates (aka it is cheap). It casts a wider net on the salary of customers who can pay for live porn... which equals more income potential in the short term. I get it.
Hayden's raise your rates challenge was a great compromise - looking out for yourself first, then the collective second.
A few people on team #chargehigher are bringing up subjective touchy feely things like "valuing yourself" and "price for getting naked on the internet" all of this other hogwash - sex work is about a business model. Factor in things like are you a porn star/celebrity, risk of pirating, your equipment, your internet bills, your taxes, customer service time offline, how much you can log in, offline promotional time, etc. Everything thing else is just weird moralistic diva stuff that really has no function in a business model.
Some sites it is clear charging higher works and discourages bawwwlers and whiiiners. Some sites, charging lower works with the culture of the site. Some people have a limited amount of time to earn - some dont. For example, I think Ive said here that I basically do phone sex 24/7, and have for years. So I can charge higher to do it because I literally... have all day, and already have regulars for it. If someone wanted to start out doing phone and only had 2hrs to do phone every day, it wouldnt make sense for them to charge high.............. you know, variables!
Personally I tend to focus more on longer term sustainability which is why Ive always advocated for ppl to do clips or stick it out on sites like NF for example... but if I were pro-shorter term sustainability, Id be pro-gold shows all day. Something about 'valuing myself' or 'you gotta pay for my pussy' has nothing to do with sustainability or earning high: that's morals, that's subjective personal philosophies, that's... something else that I cant put my finger on. With people bragging about not getting naked in the first 10mins (even though they dont do fetishes or domination) and whatnot there is always an undercurrent of... almost enraged shame that accompany these kinds of threads? idgi?
Ive been a sex worker for awhile - the people who end up bailing, being inconsistent, or hating this industry are the ones who view this as a way to prove or assess your personal 'value'. No. That isnt what this is about. If that is how youre approaching porn: 1. It is not that serious. 2. youre going to burn out.
Detach yourself emotionally from your stage persona. Like focus on longevity and customer retention and returns on investment and trends and figuring out what works, that kind of thing. Not how do you feel about yourself as a woman - lol what? You arent you - youre a product. Market yourself as higher end product if you want but do it because it is lucrative to you and you have evidence to support that this works in the longterm. If it does: supa-awesome! Right on sister. If it doesnt and you wont readjust bc of moralistic reasoning ... well, eep.
Ommmmg roast, bb. You blew my brains with this post.
I'm not going to completely double-back on my 'raise your rates' posts - I'll admit that I have put a mental block up for myself and about my prices. But you made a really good eye-opening point ! that this isn't about morals - this is a business. Like I had a total 'duh!' moment - it clocked me upside the head. And it's overall / income profit that it really comes down to.
I'm sure the guys at McDonalds don't feel guilty over charging a $1 for a burger - they're too busy rolling around in their assload of money. They are looking at overall profit rather than price value. They have high traffic, and any person with a high or a low income can buy something. They sell 10,000 $1 burgers - boom. 10k a day.
Wowww.
I get this, bb. I see the light, haha. I get this.
Am I a total traitor if I say I'll be experimenting and lowering my group prices? I will step off the moral train and try this and see what happens. (swimming in guilt already, haha!)
I also want to apologize - I hope I didn't ever hurt or offend (I know I can be a bitch sometimes) with my raise your rates posts, if I ever said anything awful I take it all back. Nobody's a loser or dumb for what they choose to charge - we're all smart, hard-working women ! Based on this thread a lot of you are even smarter than me, haha! ;)
Oh my god I get iiiit. It clicked you guys. Haha. Oh geez.
Fridays
02-22-2012, 10:28 AM
roast, you;re poking at my posts without actually saying it... ;) but its ok, really..
thats what we;re here for.... to talk about.. whatever.........
it would be easier if you would quote me so I can explain further ( not that I haven't done it already.....)
Otherwise I dont have the time to dissect your huge posts and " assume" that was intended to be a reply for me....
I have absolutely no problem debating/discussing something as long as that thing does not get lost in a huge interpretation of... other things..
I feel someone else was poking at my posts too.. but if you dont want to quote me, I cant quote you.
edited the pocking .. LOL just for fun...8)
LAChloe
02-22-2012, 10:31 AM
roast, you;re pocking at my posts without actually saying it... ;) but its ok, really..
thats what we;re here for.... to talk about.. whatever.........
it would be easier if you would quote me so I can explain further ( not that I haven't done it already.....)
Otherwise I dont have the time to dissect your huge posts and " assume" that was intended to be a reply for me....
I have absolutely no problem debating/discussing something as long as that thing does not get lost in a huge interpretation of... other things..
I feel someone else was pocking at my posts too.. but if you dont want to quote me, I cant quote you.
What does pocking mean? I am being serious. I googled and this came back:
1. A pustule caused by smallpox or a similar eruptive disease.
2. A mark or scar left in the skin by such a pustule; a pockmark.
tr.v. pocked, pock·ing, pocks
roast
02-22-2012, 10:34 AM
^I support your original post though bb! Haha Im team #chargehigher (on Streamate and ImLive primarily tbh, other sites? mehh depends), lol idk had to throw in some devil's advocacy bc parts of this and other threads abt prices have always... totally driven me nuts
Yea experiment! hey, why not, right?
HaydenBlue
02-22-2012, 10:37 AM
What does pocking mean? I am being serious. I googled and this came back:
1. A pustule caused by smallpox or a similar eruptive disease.
2. A mark or scar left in the skin by such a pustule; a pockmark.
tr.v. pocked, pock·ing, pocks
I think she meant 'poking' ? poke.
Fridays
02-22-2012, 10:42 AM
What does pocking mean? I am being serious. I googled and this came back:
1. A pustule caused by smallpox or a similar eruptive disease.
2. A mark or scar left in the skin by such a pustule; a pockmark.
tr.v. pocked, pock·ing, pocks
ya ... meant "poking"... lol
but thanks for pointing that out. ill never do this mistake again.
English is my second language :shhh: and with the few here and there mistakes Im pretty proud of my English level lol
any mistakes in this post?
kaiarose
02-22-2012, 10:47 AM
Can we stay on topic please! I've gotten many reported posts from this thread but I'm willing to overlook them if you don't derail this thread into some dramatic nonsense..
Fridays
02-22-2012, 10:50 AM
Can we stay on topic please! I've gotten many reported posts from this thread but I'm willing to overlook them if you don't derail this thread into some dramatic nonsense..
are you serious? :( I mean I believe you.. I just cant believe it... if this makes any sense.. lol
bluexxxtasy
02-22-2012, 11:02 AM
it probably was not necessary but im glad she posted her earnings because it showed me that she is doing what she is preaching.. i say that because on previous threads people have jumped on the raise ur rates bandwagon and saying they charge like 6,7-9.99 per min and they make x amt an hr.. but ive seen some that jumped on the bandwagon in the thread but should u stumble upon their lobby.. well lookey here.. u in the 2.99-3.99 club what happened to demand 6 and up per min.. its a great tactic tho but still u have people being active on this thread and others that arent that see what we post and take it as gold and just go for it.. bottom line just do u.. if what u doing paying ur bills and getting u what u want fine if not change it.. some1 got something to say it shouldnt really matter unless they putting in on ur finances.. just saying...sorry for rambling..
shywebcamgirl
02-22-2012, 11:39 AM
that this isn't about morals - this is a business.
Ah, but this is where it gets tricky. Unlike McDonalds our business is jam-packed with moral judgement. From ourselves, from the people around us, and from society. It is hard to separate one from the other.
I would personally like to thank you for your 'Raise Your Rates' thread and to thank Fridays for her 'Please.Stop. Being. Cheap. ( !!!!!!!!!!)' thread.
I would of never had the confidence to experiment with raises my prices if it wasn't for these two threads. I had little problem charging much less than what people were willing to pay because I doubted my....um, I have to be really careful with my wording here.....limited experience would allow me to charge more. When I took into account what I paid just to get online as a camgirl I was able to understand more fully how I was for lack of a better term operating at a 'personal' loss.
That being said, I don't think there is anything wrong with experimenting with lesser prices either.
The reason I am on, as roast puts it #teamchargehigher is because I want girls to be paid 'fairly' for the effort they put in. I am awkwardly trying to substitute the word 'fairly' for 'value' because my faulty logically brain assures me that 'fair' can be much more subjective as it is more a business term than 'value' which can be interrupted as a personal judgement. The thing is that a lot of girls will charge less because they have the false belief that they aren't pretty enough, thin enough, big breasted enough or a million other reasons to charge more and until they experiment with raising their prices higher to find that people will pay more. When we as human beings are our own products is is very hard to separate ourselves from our emotions and look at ourselves with the cold, hard logic that is required for a business.
My reasons for wanting girls to be paid fairly is because I am secretly rooting for every camgirl on this board to succeed without having to burn themselves out in the process. If you are laughing all the way to the bank, awesome! But if you stressed and miserable, then that is just no fun.
As a side note, I must admit that I am in total shock that people have been reporting posts from this thread to the moderators. :O
IsobelWren
02-22-2012, 11:45 AM
what on earth did i do now that got my post edited??? this is ridiculous.
Mine got edited too LOL. I didn't put any names, wasn't rude, only put facts but OK
Edit: whoa, like everyones got edited.
I had to edit all the posts that were made before I changed the title of the thread from the original title the OP had. Everyone's post says, "RE: [thread title]" at the top so I had to edit them all to change the titles. I didn't touch the content of any post, just changed it to "RE:High vs. Low Rates"
IsobelWren
02-22-2012, 12:05 PM
And so, following this logic, what would happen with a "low" premium such as 2.99 coupled with a "high" exclusive like 6.99? Could it be the best of both worlds- alot of volume to be sure not to sit in free chat and still great on the exclusive?
I think this seems like a really good idea that's worth experimenting with except for one thing. The people who don't read your profile wouldn't understand what they get in excl vs. premium. So you'd get a lot of cheap fetish guys who would pop in premium and say like, "Ok now put on a nun outfit and suck your toes" and you'd have to say, "that's exclusive only, read my profile" and they'd rate you shit.
Decalyn
02-22-2012, 12:10 PM
I didn't touch the content of any post, just changed it to "RE:High vs. Low Rates"
For she is.... The NinjaMod. *dun dun DUUUUUUHN*
I think this seems like a really good idea that's worth experimenting with except for one thing. The people who don't read your profile wouldn't understand what they get in excl vs. premium. So you'd get a lot of cheap fetish guys who would pop in premium and say like, "Ok now put on a nun outfit and suck your toes" and you'd have to say, "that's exclusive only, read my profile" and they'd rate you shit.
See, that's another good idea that's ruined by SM's horrible rating system. IMO they should have to be in Private for a minimum of, say, 5 minutes before they're allowed to rate.
Though for those of us that do the same-old-same-old in group to keep exclusives fresh and interesting, that pricing would be a decent idea.
IsobelWren
02-22-2012, 12:11 PM
To roast
why exactly me posting part of my earnings from today ( it so happened that those were made right after this thread was started) will.... create.. what.. debate? drama?
Like really..
Im showing people they can still make money charging more... and Im the one whos going to be in trouble?
LOL
This is the most ridiculous thing ever.
My earnings are not relevant?
Hell yea they are.
Dont make me post the whole spread sheet from today......
What Roast is saying is that you're posting only this one screenshot with the one show. Perhaps you had that one long pvt where you earned a lot of money from it but that was all you made in that hour. Perhaps the OP was back to back pvts or had several people in premium that whole hour and therefore earned just as much. Roast is talking about it being an issue of statistical sampling. Just one screenshot tells about just one instance. There are a lot of other factors at work. I don't think she's asking you to post your entire day, she's just saying that what you posted doesn't prove what you think it does and could be misleading.
This thread has turned into a discussion not of rates, but of volume to rates. It's more of a discussion on "what's the ratio that works for you" where the OP is talking about, "yes you may have high rates, but you may spend less time in pvt chat and therefore make less than someone whose rates are only slightly less and who is working every minute of the hour"
High rates are not always good. Low rates are not always good. This thread is different than the other threads because this thread is a discussion on what is your "tipping point".
IsobelWren
02-22-2012, 12:14 PM
That said I do, once a week for about an hour or two, bring the rate back down to $1.99.
Did you get special dispensation from SM for that or something? Mine says that you're only allowed to change the rate once in 24 hours.
Decalyn
02-22-2012, 12:18 PM
High rates are not always good. Low rates are not always good. This thread is different than the other threads because this thread is a discussion on what is your "tipping point".
Which is what makes it an interesting read. Personally, I have no intention of changing my rates any time soon. But the info in this thread (rather than other "lulz what u make" threads) is actually pretty useful so far in terms of planning what business strats may be useful to give a go in the future. After all, you never know if something will work for you or not unless you try it.
LAChloe
02-22-2012, 12:21 PM
Did you get special dispensation from SM for that or something? Mine says that you're only allowed to change the rate once in 24 hours.
Contact SM. I am able to change it 10 times in 24 hours.
Decalyn
02-22-2012, 12:25 PM
I was wondering about that too.. I read in other threads that girls can only change rates once per day... but mine says I can change rates 10 times per day.
It would make sense that if you want to have a 'discount hour" or something of the like, that they would enable that feature at your request.
roast
02-22-2012, 12:28 PM
What Roast is saying is that you're posting only this one screenshot with the one show. Perhaps you had that one long pvt where you earned a lot of money from it but that was all you made in that hour. Perhaps the OP was back to back pvts or had several people in premium that whole hour and therefore earned just as much. Roast is talking about it being an issue of statistical sampling. Just one screenshot tells about just one instance. There are a lot of other factors at work. I don't think she's asking you to post your entire day, she's just saying that what you posted doesn't prove what you think it does and could be misleading.
This thread has turned into a discussion not of rates, but of volume to rates. It's more of a discussion on "what's the ratio that works for you" where the OP is talking about, "yes you may have high rates, but you may spend less time in pvt chat and therefore make less than someone whose rates are only slightly less and who is working every minute of the hour"
High rates are not always good. Low rates are not always good. This thread is different than the other threads because this thread is a discussion on what is your "tipping point".
Isobel if you want to be my tl;dr translator from here on Id appreciate it lol. This is way more succinct and quick to the point of what I was getting at. Thanks.
HaydenBlue
02-22-2012, 12:31 PM
Did you get special dispensation from SM for that or something? Mine says that you're only allowed to change the rate once in 24 hours.
We can change it up to 10 times now (I think) in 24 hours.
Fridays
02-22-2012, 12:34 PM
What Roast is saying is that you're posting only this one screenshot with the one show. Perhaps you had that one long pvt where you earned a lot of money from it but that was all you made in that hour. Perhaps the OP was back to back pvts or had several people in premium that whole hour and therefore earned just as much. Roast is talking about it being an issue of statistical sampling. Just one screenshot tells about just one instance. There are a lot of other factors at work. I don't think she's asking you to post your entire day, she's just saying that what you posted doesn't prove what you think it does and could be misleading.
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Perhaps roast should not have a translator? LOL Isobel...
I got what roast was saying .+ other things that were indirectly "attacking" me or so I felt...
Attacks are fine with me, as long as they are quoted correctly.
and No, I was not going to post the whole earnings page from now yesterday....
and Yes my average yesterday was around $80/hour for the whole time I was online so that screen shot was relevant...
Could have been more if the "greedy bitch" in me would not have told the guy in Exclusive to fuck off because he refused to tip $30 :D..
listen,, my body, my rules... U aint got extra $30? I aint got the time.
Cam_chick
02-22-2012, 07:02 PM
Posts like these worry me for the sanctity of my happy cam world. What's important to remember is that not everyone feels the same way about the idea of pricing in the first place. Some people see themselves as representatives as the camworld, wanting to set a precedent and say "I know I am worth this!", whereas others just want to make the money and get out. Neither is wrong, but both are going to create a dramatic difference in how each views the process of deciding rates.
High or low, we're all in this together so let's not forget that <3
Lovelyx
02-24-2012, 02:53 PM
Girls, just make was best for you =) I think we all worh $1000 per minute honestly, but it it work for you to charge $1.99 charge it, if is good for you to charge 6.99 do it, Initially I try to charge 3.99/4.89 but it wasn't so good at least for me, I dont use the Encoder (I tried, but it get me mad since I cannot look myself on cam and don't know when I stay up if everything is showed up or not..and I hate to be zoom in and out windows constantly) so I just use the HD from SM site not the Encoder. For me, I tried 3 days with 4.89 premium and only got like 3 per day no longer than 7 minutes each...I did got some privates too at 3.99 but they weren't so constant per hour, I move to 2.99/3.99 (since my thing is to not make more than $1 per minute, and at least at 2.99 I do make that $1 per minute) well...I'm getting more privates, I can said 70% of them are Exclusive's the rest standard premium ones. I'm glad for those Girls who make 40 minutes of pvt at 6.99 but even if I had have similar days where I had make $100 in one hour for a very long pvt, is not something that we have on daily basis, unless we're topmodels or have a rich regular who has fall in love with us LOL (does happens sometimes). But I think we just need to work on was best for us, if 1.99 gets you tons of mild or long privates per hour...use it, if 6.99 gets you long per hour privates use it, each one needs to know what works best for them ;-) good luck.
SarahTime
02-24-2012, 04:41 PM
I'm late to this but I would just like to say a few things:
The only reason I care what another persons rate is, is so that I can stay in competition. If I can make $100/hr doing $5 gold shows.... sorry I'm gonna do it. This is a BUSINESS to me. It's not about what I'm worth, it's about making money. Yes, I do agree that we are all WORTH a lot more, and if you feel better at the end of the day knowing you charged enough to make you feel like you charged what you are WORTH, well than that's fine. But I can promise you that the BIG MONEY MAKERS are not sitting around saying, "hmm... what am I worth? No, I will not do gold shows because I'm worth more than that." And I don't know about you, but I'm here to make MONEY. PERIOD. THE. END. I am not here to justify my self worth thru my per min rate. What my worth is has nothing to do with my job.
Just because another person charges less than you, it does not make them a "loser" or "cheap" or WHATEVER else. I can't even believe that some people on this forum have gotten to the point of flat out insulting others like that. Guess what? My standard gold show is $5 Gold for 7 mins. OMG I'M SUCH A CHEAP WHORE LOSER! No, you know what, this works for me. This is a "happy medium". And guess what else.... OMG I do $1 GOLD SHOWS!!!!! DAMN ME TO CAM GIRL HELL! If it's slow, and I need to make some money, HELL YES I will do some kind of "Happy Hour" or some other gimmick and do a $1 Gold Show to bring in some money. I'm here to MAKE MONEY not to sit around waiting for what I'm worth because guess what? If I was going to do that, I wouldn't be on a cam site in the first place!
Point is, do what YOU think works best for YOU. There is nothing wrong with asking what others are doing to try and find the right happy medium for yourself, but why can't we just leave it at that? Sharing what we do and leave out all the other BS? If charging a lot works for you, GREAT! Fantastic! If charging lower works for you, GREAT! Fantastic! Nothing is going to work the same for everyone, it's all about the individual and certainly not about what we are worth. DO WHAT WORKS AND MAKES YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE! Some girls have the "I'm worth X amount and you're going to pay it" attitude and it WORKS for them! Some have the porn star advantage and can charge $14.99/min! Some girls are new and are happy with $1.99/min! It's all about YOU and where you are at in your "camming career".
I personally charge $4.99/min private and $5.99/min exclusive on SM. I do $1 gold shows, $5 gold shows, $7 gold shows, $10 gold shows, etc. It just depends on what I am feeling like at the moment, and what money I need to make that day.
I'm kind of sick of all the negativity around here. Which is why I took a little break from SW. Everyone is feeling some kind of "slow down" in income right now from what I have gathered, and it's not going to get better by sitting around attacking each other.
And now I'm going to go eat my pizza. The pizza delivery boy was quite hot and I hope he likes the $3 tip I gave him, even though it was not a reflection of his hotness and worth, in my opinion. ;)
TXCamgirl
02-24-2012, 05:03 PM
I'm late to this but I would just like to say a few things:
The only reason I care what another persons rate is, is so that I can stay in competition. If I can make $100/hr doing $5 gold shows.... sorry I'm gonna do it. This is a BUSINESS to me. It's not about what I'm worth, it's about making money. Yes, I do agree that we are all WORTH a lot more, and if you feel better at the end of the day knowing you charged enough to make you feel like you charged what you are WORTH, well than that's fine. But I can promise you that the BIG MONEY MAKERS are not sitting around saying, "hmm... what am I worth? No, I will not do gold shows because I'm worth more than that." And I don't know about you, but I'm here to make MONEY. PERIOD. THE. END. I am not here to justify my self worth thru my per min rate. What my worth is has nothing to do with my job.
Just because another person charges less than you, it does not make them a "loser" or "cheap" or WHATEVER else. I can't even believe that some people on this forum have gotten to the point of flat out insulting others like that. Guess what? My standard gold show is $5 Gold for 7 mins. OMG I'M SUCH A CHEAP WHORE LOSER! No, you know what, this works for me. This is a "happy medium". And guess what else.... OMG I do $1 GOLD SHOWS!!!!! DAMN ME TO CAM GIRL HELL! If it's slow, and I need to make some money, HELL YES I will do some kind of "Happy Hour" or some other gimmick and do a $1 Gold Show to bring in some money. I'm here to MAKE MONEY not to sit around waiting for what I'm worth because guess what? If I was going to do that, I wouldn't be on a cam site in the first place!
Point is, do what YOU think works best for YOU. There is nothing wrong with asking what others are doing to try and find the right happy medium for yourself, but why can't we just leave it at that? Sharing what we do and leave out all the other BS? If charging a lot works for you, GREAT! Fantastic! If charging lower works for you, GREAT! Fantastic! Nothing is going to work the same for everyone, it's all about the individual and certainly not about what we are worth. DO WHAT WORKS AND MAKES YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE! Some girls have the "I'm worth X amount and you're going to pay it" attitude and it WORKS for them! Some have the porn star advantage and can charge $14.99/min! Some girls are new and are happy with $1.99/min! It's all about YOU and where you are at in your "camming career".
I personally charge $4.99/min private and $5.99/min exclusive on SM. I do $1 gold shows, $5 gold shows, $7 gold shows, $10 gold shows, etc. It just depends on what I am feeling like at the moment, and what money I need to make that day.
I'm kind of sick of all the negativity around here. Which is why I took a little break from SW. Everyone is feeling some kind of "slow down" in income right now from what I have gathered, and it's not going to get better by sitting around attacking each other.
And now I'm going to go eat my pizza. The pizza delivery boy was quite hot and I hope he likes the $3 tip I gave him, even though it was not a reflection of his hotness and worth, in my opinion. ;)
Ditto ditto ditto! My standard for gold shows lately have been 3$ gold for 6 minutes and I bank doing it. Sometimes I do 6$ for 6 minutes and also bank, just depends on the day. Whatever makes that money! :)
LAChloe
02-24-2012, 06:13 PM
I'm late to this but I would just like to say a few things:
The only reason I care what another persons rate is, is so that I can stay in competition. If I can make $100/hr doing $5 gold shows.... sorry I'm gonna do it. This is a BUSINESS to me. It's not about what I'm worth, it's about making money. Yes, I do agree that we are all WORTH a lot more, and if you feel better at the end of the day knowing you charged enough to make you feel like you charged what you are WORTH, well than that's fine. But I can promise you that the BIG MONEY MAKERS are not sitting around saying, "hmm... what am I worth? No, I will not do gold shows because I'm worth more than that." And I don't know about you, but I'm here to make MONEY. PERIOD. THE. END. I am not here to justify my self worth thru my per min rate. What my worth is has nothing to do with my job.
Just because another person charges less than you, it does not make them a "loser" or "cheap" or WHATEVER else. I can't even believe that some people on this forum have gotten to the point of flat out insulting others like that. Guess what? My standard gold show is $5 Gold for 7 mins. OMG I'M SUCH A CHEAP WHORE LOSER! No, you know what, this works for me. This is a "happy medium". And guess what else.... OMG I do $1 GOLD SHOWS!!!!! DAMN ME TO CAM GIRL HELL! If it's slow, and I need to make some money, HELL YES I will do some kind of "Happy Hour" or some other gimmick and do a $1 Gold Show to bring in some money. I'm here to MAKE MONEY not to sit around waiting for what I'm worth because guess what? If I was going to do that, I wouldn't be on a cam site in the first place!
Point is, do what YOU think works best for YOU. There is nothing wrong with asking what others are doing to try and find the right happy medium for yourself, but why can't we just leave it at that? Sharing what we do and leave out all the other BS? If charging a lot works for you, GREAT! Fantastic! If charging lower works for you, GREAT! Fantastic! Nothing is going to work the same for everyone, it's all about the individual and certainly not about what we are worth. DO WHAT WORKS AND MAKES YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE! Some girls have the "I'm worth X amount and you're going to pay it" attitude and it WORKS for them! Some have the porn star advantage and can charge $14.99/min! Some girls are new and are happy with $1.99/min! It's all about YOU and where you are at in your "camming career".
I personally charge $4.99/min private and $5.99/min exclusive on SM. I do $1 gold shows, $5 gold shows, $7 gold shows, $10 gold shows, etc. It just depends on what I am feeling like at the moment, and what money I need to make that day.
I'm kind of sick of all the negativity around here. Which is why I took a little break from SW. Everyone is feeling some kind of "slow down" in income right now from what I have gathered, and it's not going to get better by sitting around attacking each other.
And now I'm going to go eat my pizza. The pizza delivery boy was quite hot and I hope he likes the $3 tip I gave him, even though it was not a reflection of his hotness and worth, in my opinion. ;)
^^^^Testify, BB!!! This is coming from a first row model (and sometimes #1 or #2). She knows what she is talking about. If you are making more charging $1.99 a min that you are charging $2.99 (or whatever) than obviously charge $1.99 a min. If you make more money doing $1 for a 10 min gold show that you would charging $2 or however much that obviously do that.
You need to figure out what works for you and stick with it.
I hope to God that there is never a "Camming Union". If I wanted to follow rules and/or be told how much to charge for what/when/where, I would get a vanilla job. One of the things I like about camming is that I make my rules.
Lastly, the person that called Blake a "loser" really should apologize. It was totally uncalled for and ugly.
MissKatie
02-24-2012, 06:22 PM
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shywebcamgirl
02-24-2012, 08:06 PM
While I don't agree with anyone being called a loser, you have a lot to apologize for too Chloe. Calling people braggers and bitches for earning more money than you do is out of order and in exactly the same category. Jealousy is an ugly trait!
You know, this probably would of been a much more affective post in your defense if you would of left out the 'for earning more money than you' part. I totally agree with you that LAChloe should apologize to you for directly attacking you in another post on the forums -- but by the same token I now also think you owe her an apology for the mud-slinging back you just participated in.
And I definitely think whoever called Blake a "loser" should apologize. She is awesome and rocks!
GlamourRouge
02-24-2012, 08:50 PM
I hope to God that there is never a "Camming Union". If I wanted to follow rules and/or be told how much to charge for what/when/where, I would get a vanilla job. One of the things I like about camming is that I make my rules.
I agree! The thing I love the most about camming, unlike in a strip club (which I also don't really mind) is that I am 100% my own boss and I don't have to follow anyone's rules. That makes it easier to experiment, and thus make more money. Whereas, say... in a strip club, you're limited by imposed pricing rules and you must rely on their marketing and thus their foot traffic... which is why many girls travel dance to clubs they vibe the best with & thus will make the most money at. Camming, you control all of that and you can stay put. Its a lot of work, but it can lead to good $$$ if you find out what works the best for you personally. Whereas, you hit a glass ceiling almost everywhere else. So I totally agree!
While I don't agree with anyone being called a loser, you have a lot to apologize for too Chloe. Calling people braggers and bitches for earning more money than you do is out of order and in exactly the same category. Jealousy is an ugly trait!
Whoa do you know who chloe is on cam? She actually does pretty well. And she works a lot.
Fridays
02-24-2012, 09:56 PM
From
Differences Of Winners and Losers
Successful people are winners in our society. But what are the factors that make them so different from others? I have pondered about this question for a while and I found that there are some striking differences between winners and losers. Winners operate in a totally different frame of mind compared to losers and that is why they always got the results that losers dream of. So read on for the list of 33 differences between winners and losers.
Striking Differences Between Winners and Losers
Winners Losers
1 Winners focus on solutions. Losers focus on problems.
2 Winners take responsibility. Losers blame others.
3 Winners find opportunities in crisis. Losers complain about crisis.
4 Winners enjoy being in the present and learn from the past. Losers live in the past.
5 Winners make commitment and keep them no matter what. Losers make promises that they always break.
6 Winners think about how they can achieve. Losers give excuses.
7 Winners make personal development a priority. Losers neglect personal development.
8 Winners face their fear, accept it and take the leap. Losers dwell in their fear.
9 Winners constantly expand their comfort zone. Losers stay in their comfort zone.
10 Winners take action consistently. Losers refrain from taking action and lack consistency.
11 Winners take failure in their stride and learn from them. Losers fear failure and avoid them at all cost.
12 Winners try different strategies when they are not getting the results they want. Losers do the same thing over and over again expecting different results.
13 Winners set goals. Losers lack goals.
14 Winners plan. Losers hate having a plan.
15 Winners believe there are always things to be learn. Losers consider themselves as an expert even though they know little.
16 Winners are humble. Losers are egoistic.
17 Winners continue to hone their skill every other day without fail. Losers make little effort in honing their skill.
18 Winners work hard. Losers avoid work.
19 Winners give their best for the things that they decide to do. Losers work half heartedly in everything that they do.
20 Winners are persistent and will do whatever it takes (ethical means) to achieve their goal. Losers give up when obstacles pop up.
21 Winners manage their time well and indulge in high value activities that will bring them closer to their goals. Losers lack time management skills and indulge in time wasting activities like playing games and watching re runs for the umpteen time.
22 Winners dream in the day. Losers dream in bed.
23 Winners think about possibilities. Losers focus on obstacles that will stop them from achieving.
24 Winners are certain. Losers doubt.
25 Winners control their own destiny. Losers leave everything to their fate.
26 Winners give more than they take. Losers take more than they give.
27 Winners think whether the crowd is going in the right direction. If not, he will walk the other direction. Losers follow the crowd.
28 Winners think and lead. Losers refuse to think so they follow.
29 Winners listen. Losers fight for every chance to talk.
30 Winners always find a better way to do things. Losers stick to one way of doing things.
31 Winners spend money in seminars and classes to improve themselves. Losers think that spending money on seminars and classes is a waste of money and they prefer to buy toys that gives them instant gratification.
32 Winners help others to win. Losers refuse to help and think only about their own benefit.
33 Winners find like minded people like themselves that can bring them to greater height. Losers find like minded people like themselves that will drag them to failure.
loveshooks
02-24-2012, 10:55 PM
Fridays, I have a ton of respect for you, and I don't think you're deliberately trying to be hurtful. That said, have you considered how being labelled a 'loser' could hinder the confidence and therefore the efforts of an individual trying to follow all of the above 'winner' tenets?
Sociology 101 teaches us that labels have a very powerful impact upon the people to whom these labels are applied, even if an opposite (motivational) effect is intended
Cam_Model_Jess
02-24-2012, 11:18 PM
I may be the oddball here, but my prices change ALL the time. I think each model should charge what she feels that she NEEDS to charge.. and not what others expect her to charge. My rates may look like I have lost my mind sometimes, but I have reasons for the prices I set.
Example #1: One week I may need to earn extra $$ really quick, so I will charge 1.79 or 2.79 for premiums - I may be working a LOT harder but my earnings go super high quickly when I drop my premium rate. This works because I can maintain 3-8 members in my shows at once. Some stay a bit longer than others, but it adds up quick.
To me, lower premium rates (but not lower than 1.59) are the BEST method for making money quick. Keep in mind though, this concept only works IF you are working to drive traffic into your room. If you sit there and surf the net, ignoring your free chat, This concept probably won't work.
Example #2: If I am just working for my normal daily/weekly goal, I don't see the need to exhaust myself. So, my premium prices will range anywhere from 3.29 to 4.29.
For me, this keeps an equal balance between free chat and privates. This allows me enough time in free chat, to get to know guys and perhaps the potential to build regulars over time. Most girls hate free chat, but it is a very good promotional tool if used correctly. I keep these prices most often, but not always.
Example #3: Sometimes I set higher premium rates, between 4.59 and 4.99. This is my rates for holidays, and sometimes on weekends. These prices are also set on the days when I am not really feeling well, or if guys seem to be pissing me off.. those days when they all want to have 2 1/2 minute sessions with you? Yeah.
Those are just examples, I change my premium rates often for different reasons. I just do what I have to in order to make the $$ that I want, in the most efficient way. I never mention to guys that my rates are different, and they never seem to notice.
I always keep my exclusive prices set higher between 4.99 and 6.99. I used to charge lower for exclusives, but don't like exclusive chat, so a higher exclusive price works better for me.
This is totally me too. There was one time I needed to make a lot of money all at once so I lowered my rate and made a bunch of money real quick. But it was HARD work. The guys were fine, they weren't rude at all. But personally there's no way I could sustain that level of energy for that long for that amount of money.
A few months ago I raised my daily price slightly and have made more money long-term/consistently since then.
roast
02-24-2012, 11:19 PM
first I was all
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwxfitVzw41r6cnz4o3_250.gif
then
http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lplc6ama2M1qc7018o1_500.gif
and finally
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrqxhuUYwX1qaa9xe.gif
sigh.
moral of the story: just stay hustling, SW isnt in your pay earnings report, so good luck out there
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/everyday-im-scuttling1.gif
LAChloe
02-24-2012, 11:36 PM
^^^^^^:bullwhip::hat::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:: rotfl:
blkschoolgirl
02-24-2012, 11:49 PM
That is my favorite gif of Christian Bale of all time. This thread:
http://i.imgur.com/wwI0K.gif
Most of the girl on SM can not change more than 4.99 a min so think of that when you take about your pricing .
Fridays
02-25-2012, 11:23 AM
and the point is........
IF you can't have what u want, want what u have...
this is poetry.......lol
Work hard for what you want..
if you;re not getting it... maybe.. just maybe... U haven;t worked hard enough?!?
And that is # 1 rule in my book.
but hey, no one has to agree and thats the beauty of it.
You can get what you want.
You can do what you want.
So...
you get what you do.
As complicated as it seems, life is pretty simple.