View Full Version : Help get women-hating a-hole off the air
Kellydancer
03-07-2012, 01:13 PM
The only reason this is getting the attention it's getting is because this administration and their followers want to deflect attention from the fact that this woman, much more a liberal activist than a victimized co-ed, wants a Catholic college (and Catholics in general) to facilitate or fund an activity in direct contradiction to their teachings. This is nothing but a red herring to provide cover for this attack on the Constitution. Who really gives a shit what any of these idiots on either side of the aisle say about these other figures who they find themselves in opposition to? Personally, I don't care for any of them so I don't watch or listen to any of them. ( Well, except for Levin, but he doesn't cross the line)
I get what you are saying but this is a problem with both sides. However since we are talking about Obama's side and not the Republican side I will mention this. Yes Obama and the Democrats are trying to push their agenda through with Obamacare and guess what? it's not stopping. I have been reading a lot about other things the Democrats want included in it and among those are daycare and maternity leave and a plan to include more low income people through the program, which makes me assume that illegals will be included (though I believe Obama plans to legalize millions). There's the problem they are pushing their agenda and screw those who pay. Not everyone supports paid daycare and maternity leave yet now they have to pay. It's bad enough I spout steam when I've been in stores with unwed moms and their 6 kids using food stamps while I struggle to pay my bills. Guess what? this is going to happen far more often now because the government will pay for everything. Forget the fact that most of the educated people I know are waiting to have kids until they can afford it.
I know someone will say "but if they don't have birth control they will get pregnant". Wrong for many years girls have avoided becoming pregnant or boys getting someone pregnant by condoms, abstinence, other alternatives, etc. There are also low income clinics where you can get birth control. I know in college there was a health clinic that provided condoms. I admit my views on the pill are biased, but not because of religious reasons but rather because I don't trust hormonal medicine. I've known many women who got pregnant on the pill.
Bem are you Catholic? I go to various Catholic sites and there have been articles stating Obama is the most anti Catholic president ever. I don't know if I agree but he is doing a lot of things that are contrary to the church. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but it almost feels like this to me with this issue.
The funny thing is I support birth control, hate Rush Limbaugh and think he was wrong. I wonder if he hadn't called her a name if this would be as big.
Eric Stoner
03-07-2012, 01:16 PM
Off topic, but when you mention colleges it reminds me of my own issue with free speech. My college (an extreme left wing college, more left wing than even notorious colleges)had an open admission policy where anyone could attend. The result was everyone was in classes together except math and English and these classes could be very low and still college credit. There were kids who could barely read and write and do simple math. Because they were in classes with everyone and because there were no honors courses (something many of us pushed for)those at the bottom of the intellectual scale would struggle with projects and assignments while those at the higher end were usually done with the assignments early on. It's no exaggeration that by midterm everything was done and all I had left to do was the final.
I bring this up because years later I did an article about open admissions in a business magazine. I told flat out I was opposed to everyone attending college and why. The result? I have been banned for life from school. I can not ever attend my reunions, nor can I attend any alumni events they sponsor. This school does a lot of events in Chicago and is well known (they brag about all the celebs who attended including several Oscar winners). Now one may ask why I did this interview but the reason was I was disgusted with this problem and spoke out. I was also disgusted that this school would keep raising fees to pay for unneeded items, like buying the school president a mansion (I wish I was kidding). This school thought that by attending it I would become farther left but in reality I became farther right. A well known game show host also attended the school and he's a very well known conservative but I doubt he's banned because of who he is.
What happened to you was a surprise , why ? For the last 30 years or so, nobody has been more intolerant than Liberals and other leftists.
You attacked a sacred cow of liberalism = open enrollment. One thing that dragged CUNY from national respectability to an academic joke was open enrollment under Lindsay.
Kellydancer
03-07-2012, 01:35 PM
What happened to you was a surprise , why ? For the last 30 years or so, nobody has been more intolerant than Liberals and other leftists.
You attacked a sacred cow of liberalism = open enrollment. One thing that dragged CUNY from national respectability to an academic joke was open enrollment under Lindsay.
I have noticed liberals are far more intolerant than conservatives and it saddens me. I used to think conservatives were, but nope after I starting waking up from my "Democrats are always the best" delusion and took off my rose colored glasses I saw the liberals were intolerant about a lot more.
You should have seen some of my classmates. There was one guy who sat in the back and played GameBoy and others who wouldn't do the assignments. In the remedial math classes they went as low as learning how to add and subtract and the English classes they learned how to read and understand essays and write them. I knew algebra and was writing research papers by junior high why weren't they? In hindsight I wish I had transferred but was way to close to graduating.
All Good Things
03-07-2012, 02:37 PM
^ Both sides are intolerant of each other. They exaggerate, personalize, demonize and distort equally.
It only appears to be more extreme if you think "your" side is somehow immune, or more tolerant.
Neither side is tolerant.
The Framers, of course, knew that people were insane lunatics on the subject of politics and would lunge at each other's throats, fabricate lies, distort statements, etc. In the colonial period and well into the 19th century, they would also get into fistfights in Congress, throw objects at each other's heads and conduct duels in the streets, using live ammo.
The structure of the system presupposed the outraged passions of factions, and deliberately set one side against the other.
As long as this system survives in its present form, "Thus it has always been, thus shall it ever be."
Kellydancer
03-07-2012, 02:46 PM
I'm not on either side but can't stand intolerant views on either side. I prefer the more rational views on every topic, whether conservative or liberal.
Swagz
03-07-2012, 03:37 PM
I told flat out I was opposed to everyone attending college and why. The result? I have been banned for life from school. I can not ever attend my reunions, nor can I attend any alumni events they sponsor.
Oh really? I wasn't aware you could get banned from school for something like that.
Kellydancer
03-07-2012, 03:48 PM
Oh really? I wasn't aware you could get banned from school for something like that.
At my college I certainly did. So yeah you can.
bem401
03-07-2012, 03:54 PM
I think you're right but that doesn't excuse what Rush said or why HE got involved with Fluke.
I listen to Levin but NOBODY on the air personalizes more than he does and NOBODY can be more vicious than he can. Bad example.
My reaction to the talking heads who spoke similarly was "consider the source". You'd think the Left would react similarly. Nobody is excusing Rush's blunder but Fluke did put herself front and center with a very controversial position. I agree, Levin can be vicious, but generally at politicians or appointees who he has problems with as well as obnoxious callers.
bem401
03-07-2012, 04:05 PM
Bem are you Catholic? I go to various Catholic sites and there have been articles stating Obama is the most anti Catholic president ever. I don't know if I agree but he is doing a lot of things that are contrary to the church. I'm not saying I agree or disagree but it almost feels like this to me with this issue.
The funny thing is I support birth control, hate Rush Limbaugh and think he was wrong. I wonder if he hadn't called her a name if this would be as big.
I am a Catholic, 12 years of parochial school followed by 4 years at a ridiculously liberal Ivy school, but would now be considered a "fallen-away Catholic". In other words, I don't actively follow my faith, but just like not being active in SC's any longer doesn't mean I don't understand the industry's inner workings, not being active in the Church doesn't mean I don't have an understanding of what it teaches.
Obama is considered the "most anti-Catholic President ever" because of his stance on abortion. He could not be more pro-abortion. In Illinois (and you can probably confirm this), he actually submitted a bill prohibiting medical attention for babies who survived induced-birth abortions. That's de-facto infanticide. Oddly enough, here in RI, the most Catholic of states, they love him. Go figure.
Dirty Ernie
03-07-2012, 05:34 PM
Since this thing is so far off the rails, anyway...
How does being pro choice make you anti Catholic? Only if the person choosing to have an abortion is Catholic, should that be an issue, and then, only between that individual and their faith. I have no desire to live under Catholic dogma, Sharia Law, or any other religious mandated laws. The Church should tend to it's own flock and stop trying to impose it's will on the rest of us.
bem401
03-07-2012, 06:20 PM
Since this thing is so far off the rails, anyway...
How does being pro choice make you anti Catholic? Only if the person choosing to have an abortion is Catholic, should that be an issue, and then, only between that individual and their faith. I have no desire to live under Catholic dogma, Sharia Law, or any other religious mandated laws. The Church should tend to it's own flock and stop trying to impose it's will on the rest of us.
A religious organization can and would consider those who undermine their teachings or pass laws directly in contradiction to doctrine to be against them. Religious organizations have a right to take a stance on what they believe in just the way you have the right to speak out in opposition to them.
GlitterBexie
03-07-2012, 07:18 PM
I'll admit first off to being VERY confused by this topic. Im in the UK and am trying to look up articles on the whole situation and its a bit of a minefield to say the least. Im trying to look at is from as outside perspective.
In the UK we have a national health service, all contraception is free including condoms and any kind of birth control (pill, injection, IUD etc). The NHS is paid for by British tax payers and we don't have health insurance as all health care, regardless of what it is, is free. I know America is a MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger country than the UK and it is governed differently (however slightly) in each different state, and im confused by health insurance (in the US, literally due to lack of knowledge about it and how it works) I suppose i just wonder how i would feel if my free health care was taken away, and how it would be if every individual (in the UK) had to pay for their own health care, instead of having one giant pot for and how it would work here, with so many being reliant on the benefit system and government hand outs, the tax payer bears the brunt, but puts up with it for the greater good. I dont know...baffled really.
But from what i can tell, what this man said originally was badly worded, offensive and either he was stupid enough to be caught in a moment, or was designed to cause a stir. Either way, calling for women on birth contol to post video's of themselves having sex on the internet is disgraceful and unnecessary.