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Laurisa
03-09-2012, 06:07 PM
You're going to be fine, no one is going to find out. People get so worked up over nothing sometimes.

And because I respect and value Melonie's input I would like to ask her to challenge what I've said with substantial facts. As in, finding an employment verification company/background check 'middle man' who lists information on their website about pulling social security earnings or requesting a signed form 4506 to send to the IRS.

ManyRoses
03-09-2012, 06:08 PM
I think that the whole "background check" thing is worrying people more than it probably should...Laurisa makes some good points. I would like to add to those something that I have said before in posts about cheque cashing and business names - Most people who are not in this industry do NOT know what "streamate", "MFC" etc etc ARE. So even if it did pop up on a background check, your vanilla employer is probably not going to know what that is. We forget, sometimes, because the names of these companies are just so well-known to us, that they are not known to the majority of people.

On top of that, background checks are usually done for a few reasons - to make sure that you are telling the truth on your resume, to make sure that you do not have any criminal convictions, and occasionally to check your credit (the idea being that good credit is an indicator of reliability and stability, or that if you are working with money, you should be good with your own). SO if you put on your resume "online customer service/affiliate marketing, independent contractor for several companies from date x to date y) and then they do a background check, even if the name "streamate.com" pops up, they are most likely going to look through that background check and think "ok, yup, looks like they aren't a criminal, good credit, not lying about their address, dates from resume match the dates on here, good." they may go as far as to wonder about what "streamate.com" is, but for most people, that wouldn't go beyond "hmmm, streamate.com...oh right, the resume says that they were working for some online businesses. That must be what this is. ok."

The liklihood of it showing up is small, and the chances of the person reading through knowing what it means if it does show up is also pretty small. I would be far more concerned about being recognized, outed online, or making a slip up myself than anyone knowing what it meant if they decided to do a background check and it showed up.

And on the off chance that someone did see it, and knew what it meant, you could just say that you were doing online marketing etc for that company. If you've put it on your resume, they would have to do some real digging to prove you wrong.

GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 06:09 PM
So explain to me how they get a list of potential employers other than the ways I've listed? The IRS does not report your tax information to databases for employment screeners to access. How would they know about a potential employer aside from your credit report, arrest records, licenses or certifications, or information listed on your resume? What part of a comprehensive background check would that show up on?

I answered that in like every post on this thread: an in-depth background check. Its on my own. Though not for sexwork as I have been camming less than a year. For dancing and when I was an independent makeup artist years ago. It is listed under "potential employer"




Think of all the teachers who are being outed as porn stars several years into their career, police officers too. How did this happen? Someone saw the video posted online. They were hired and spent time working before they were caught by a bad stroke of luck. These aren't people who have been cops and teachers for 20+ years either, these are younger people hired within the last 3-4 years who were outed by students or people in their department...NOT an employment screening.

Two possibilities: 1.) Because they were hired decades ago before the use of the internet brought easy access to electronic technology (and relatively inexpensive I might add). 2.) 1099s from cam sites / companies is a relatively new thing. The IRS has only recently come cracking down on that issue (hence Streamate's abrupt 1099 issuance). So obviously people that cammed 5 years ago or so would probably not have a 1099 from the cam company. Or perhaps they were a dancer that worked at a club that did not issue 1099s (most clubs don't). 1099s are the problem here.

GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 06:19 PM
In general, there's really no point to arguing this one way or the other. Its russian roulette when it comes to applying to work at a company when you've explicitly broken one of their requirements. They may find out, they may not. They may find out before they hire you, right after, years down the line, or never. You never know. But personally, I don't think its a good idea to invest your time and energy into an education and then a job that explicitly states (or is known for) not hiring sexworkers. The random universal what-goes-around-come-around laws usually hit at some point. That's all I'm saying. Proceed at your own risk.

Laurisa
03-09-2012, 06:21 PM
I think that the whole "background check" thing is worrying people more than it probably should...Laurisa makes some good points. I would like to add to those something that I have said before in posts about cheque cashing and business names - Most people who are not in this industry do NOT know what "streamate", "MFC" etc etc ARE. So even if it did pop up on a background check, your vanilla employer is probably not going to know what that is. We forget, sometimes, because the names of these companies are just so well-known to us, that they are not known to the majority of people.

On top of that, background checks are usually done for a few reasons - to make sure that you are telling the truth on your resume, to make sure that you do not have any criminal convictions, and occasionally to check your credit (the idea being that good credit is an indicator of reliability and stability, or that if you are working with money, you should be good with your own). SO if you put on your resume "online customer service/affiliate marketing, independent contractor for several companies from date x to date y) and then they do a background check, even if the name "streamate.com" pops up, they are most likely going to look through that background check and think "ok, yup, looks like they aren't a criminal, good credit, not lying about their address, dates from resume match the dates on here, good." they may go as far as to wonder about what "streamate.com" is, but for most people, that wouldn't go beyond "hmmm, streamate.com...oh right, the resume says that they were working for some online businesses. That must be what this is. ok."

The liklihood of it showing up is small, and the chances of the person reading through knowing what it means if it does show up is also pretty small. I would be far more concerned about being recognized, outed online, or making a slip up myself than anyone knowing what it meant if they decided to do a background check and it showed up.

And on the off chance that someone did see it, and knew what it meant, you could just say that you were doing online marketing etc for that company. If you've put it on your resume, they would have to do some real digging to prove you wrong.
You are correct, most employers want to make sure you are:

1.) Not a criminal
2.) Not financially irresponsible (if the job requires)
3.) That you went to school where you say you did
4.) That you have the degree/certification/license you say you have
5.) That you are who you say you are

I don't think many companies are going to go through the trouble to dig up previous employment records on a person in my circumstance, let alone go through the trouble to find out if Suzy Jane was contracted with xxxporncamsite from which she got a 1099 and yada yada. Employers are going to verify your references (work history), educational and personal references. They aren't going to go on a witch hunt to find out if you secretly had a job as a pizza delivery driver and it turned sour or you were an online porn star/stripper before you graduated. It's just not a concern to most companies.

Sure, the federal government might be THE exception, or high profile financial positions--but aside from that they aren't going to waste money to find out if you are possibly lying about a job you once had. If it was a big concern because of employment gaps they would question you about it--but most strippers/cam girls are younger so it shouldn't be a huge deal anyway.

GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 06:24 PM
I don't think many companies are going to go through the trouble to dig up previous employment records on a person in my circumstance, let alone go through the trouble to find out if Suzy Jane was contracted with xxxporncamsite from which she got a 1099 and yada yada. Employers are going to verify your references (work history), educational and personal references. They aren't going to go on a witch hunt to find out if you secretly had a job as a pizza delivery driver and it turned sour or you were an online porn star/stripper before you graduated. It's just not a concern to most companies.

Its not trouble. Its just listed on an in-depth background check that takes 10 minutes to run and a few hundred dollars. Its on mine.

ManyRoses
03-09-2012, 06:25 PM
Post the second!

Despite everything that I have just said about background checks, I would still stay away from the sex industry if you want to go into teaching, nursing....any job that may involve working with children or "vulnerable adults" (mentally ill, the elderly etc). Usually the big hot-button is the working with children thing.

I do know women who have cammed that are now nursing, with no one the wiser. I know women who used to strip and who are now kindergarten teachers. Again, none the wiser. It comes down to how willing you are to take the risk of being fined, discredited, or losing your job/license if you are found out.

OP - I would look into your local legislation and legal history. Certain states and provinces have more of a history of being harder on ex-sex workers than others. If you do decide that you are willing to take the risk and cam away, then there are certain things that I would do to limit your visibility and the chances of being found out at a later date.
- Be really, really careful about your content. This means - stick to sites that do NOT own or re-distribute your content. This means that you would have to stay away from SM and a lot of the really big sites, which may mean less traffic or harder work. This also means - don't sell downloadable content (clips4sale, "photos for high bids/tips" etc. MyPornProfile allows you to sell "streaming only" content.
- Limit your visibility. Don't try to make a name for yourself - twitter/facebook/etc. You are more likely to be recorded by a certain type of content-stealer if they think that you are better known.
- Disguise yourself on cam - maybe wear a wig, change up your style, cover your tattoos (if you have any) remove your piercings (if you have any) and/or wear glasses if you don't usually. Basically, try to make it arguable that it is not you.

Frankly, I wouldn't take the risk, and I don't think that it would necessarily be worth camming if I wasn't going to promote myself or be myself on cam. But I know many people who would take that risk, and who have done with impunity. I even know people who have worked hard to make a name for themselves, been very visible, and never been found out. But at the same time, I know others who have lost teaching jobs because of "sexy" photoshoots, even though they are fully clothed. I know people who have lost nursing jobs because they were involved in the fetish scene because it is their kink.

You never know if you'll be one of the lucky ones, and I don't think I could handle putting in all that money, time and effort just to worry every day that I was about to be "outed" and lose my job.

Charlotteslut
03-09-2012, 06:25 PM
These are conservative professions. I think we really, really want a history of sex work to have no repercussions, but sadly it does.


ManyRoses, I see what you are saying about vanilla people not knowing about SM as we do. But it takes all of 3 seconds to google Streamates and see what comes up.

Laurisa
03-09-2012, 06:28 PM
In general, there's really no point to arguing this one way or the other. Its russian roulette when it comes to applying to work at a company when you've explicitly broken one of their requirements. They may find out, they may not. They may find out before they hire you, right after, years down the line, or never. You never know. But personally, I don't think its a good idea to invest your time and energy into an education and then a job that explicitly states (or is known for) not hiring sexworkers. The random universal what-goes-around-come-around laws usually hit at some point. That's all I'm saying. Proceed at your own risk.

I've never seen a job application that had an anti-sex work clause (and I've spent the last hour looking at several online employment applications from different companies, including high profile ones in the medical field, legal, law enforcement, and education). First of all, sex work (social escorting, webcamming, porn, stripping) is legal, so to say "we don't hire strippers" is discrimination. That is no different than saying "we don't hire ex bus drivers"... discrimination.

The teachers I've mentioned earlier were not 'fired', that were placed on paid leave pending investigation, but there were NO criminal charges filed. The issue was that the students discovered the material, and they were transferred to another district. They weren't stripped of their license because they did NOTHING wrong.

The police officer I mentioned was fired but ONLY because he made the porn scene while on duty (he responded to a 911 call at a porn set and they asked him to join in) AND he kept his official uniform in during the shot when he fondled the porn star.

They cannot fire you because you used to be a stripper/porn star and suddenly went straight. That is discrimination, sure, they can find another reason to fire you but chances are if you are a good employee and it isn't a big fuss then they aren't going to. Yes, there are rare occasions where students find the video of the teacher blowing so-and-so but aside from that your old history of LEGAL sex work bears no effect on your ability to work presently. Yes, they can deny you work, but they must tell you if something they found in the FCRA adversely affected their hiring decision--by law--so saying "we think you used to be an adult webcam star" would be grounds for a discrimination lawsuit. They can always find another way to not hire you or fire you, but it won't officially be that one.

GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 06:29 PM
Despite everything that I have just said about background checks, I would still stay away from the sex industry if you want to go into teaching, nursing....any job that may involve working with children or "vulnerable adults" (mentally ill, the elderly etc). Usually the big hot-button is the working with children thing.

I do know women who have cammed that are now nursing, with no one the wiser. I know women who used to strip and who are now kindergarten teachers. Again, none the wiser. It comes down to how willing you are to take the risk of being fined, discredited, or losing your job/license if you are found out.

OP - I would look into your local legislation and legal history. Certain states and provinces have more of a history of being harder on ex-sex workers than others. If you do decide that you are willing to take the risk and cam away, then there are certain things that I would do to limit your visibility and the chances of being found out at a later date.
- Be really, really careful about your content. This means - stick to sites that do NOT own or re-distribute your content. This means that you would have to stay away from SM and a lot of the really big sites, which may mean less traffic or harder work. This also means - don't sell downloadable content (clips4sale, "photos for high bids/tips" etc. MyPornProfile allows you to sell "streaming only" content.
- Limit your visibility. Don't try to make a name for yourself - twitter/facebook/etc. You are more likely to be recorded by a certain type of content-stealer if they think that you are better known.
- Disguise yourself on cam - maybe wear a wig, change up your style, cover your tattoos (if you have any) remove your piercings (if you have any) and/or wear glasses if you don't usually. Basically, try to make it arguable that it is not you.

Frankly, I wouldn't take the risk, and I don't think that it would necessarily be worth camming if I wasn't going to promote myself or be myself on cam. But I know many people who would take that risk, and who have done with impunity. I even know people who have worked hard to make a name for themselves, been very visible, and never been found out. But at the same time, I know others who have lost teaching jobs because of "sexy" photoshoots, even though they are fully clothed. I know people who have lost nursing jobs because they were involved in the fetish scene because it is their kink.

You never know if you'll be one of the lucky ones, and I don't think I could handle putting in all that money, time and effort just to worry every day that I was about to be "outed" and lose my job.

That's good advice for someone that's already been hired. But for someone that hasn't been hired: NEVER work anywhere in sexwork (cam, dancing, or otherwise) that issues 1099s. That's where the problem with just getting hired lies. These are the problems that occur if you want to stay hired.

ManyRoses
03-09-2012, 06:32 PM
ManyRoses, I see what you are saying about vanilla people not knowing about SM as we do. But it takes all of 3 seconds to google Streamates and see what comes up.

Agreed. But I don't think that many people would google it unless they had reason to. This comes from running background checks on potential teachers for a recruitment agency for teachers. Basically, we looked for two things:
- Is there a criminal record? If the answer was no, great. If the answer was yes, we stop, they don't get a job.
- Does their resume match their employment history on the background check? - this is what we are talking about here.

If I had a resume in front of me that said "worked at streamate.com and mygirlfund.com for x months as an independent contractor" and the background check said the same thing, I wouldn't google those companies to find out what they were. All I would be concerned about would be - does this match what I have on file for the person? I would be more concerned about the dates matching, and making sure that there are no unexplained gaps, then worrying about what the companies actually were. We used to run hundreds of applications every month, and I don't think that I EVER googled to figure out what the company was.

GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 06:34 PM
I've never seen a job application that had an anti-sex work clause (and I've spent the last hour looking at several online employment applications from different companies, including high profile ones in the medical field, legal, law enforcement, and education). First of all, sex work (social escorting, webcamming, porn, stripping) is legal, so to say "we don't hire strippers" is discrimination. That is no different than saying "we don't hire ex bus drivers"... discrimination.

Really? Did you not see the third post on this thread? lol.


From "10 Ways to Lose Your Nursing License":
"8. Hosting a Pornographic Website

Believe it or not – it happens. Just this last year, a nurse in Pennsylvania got her licensed revoked because she was hosting her own pornographic website. This most likely falls under “Unprofessional Conduct,” and it’s easy to chuckle at. But with today’s advancements in technology, and the widespread range of the internet, nurses who use their webcams to do a little work on a side may find themselves without a job."



The teachers I've mentioned earlier were not 'fired', that were placed on paid leave pending investigation, but there were NO criminal charges filed. The issue was that the students discovered the material, and they were transferred to another district. They weren't stripped of their license because they did NOTHING wrong.

That's because sexwork doesn't make you a criminal or make you lose your license. It just prevents you from getting hired and then from keeping your job. It is also listed as/under "unprofessional conduct". And in addition, many people in older generations (who are most likely doing the hiring) still believe in the sexworker stigmas. There are always firing loopholes and more than enough candidates to take the position.

GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 06:35 PM
Agreed. But I don't think that many people would google it unless they had reason to. This comes from running background checks on potential teachers for a recruitment agency for teachers. Basically, we looked for two things:
- Is there a criminal record? If the answer was no, great. If the answer was yes, we stop, they don't get a job.
- Does their resume match their employment history on the background check? - this is what we are talking about here.

If I had a resume in front of me that said "worked at streamate.com and mygirlfund.com for x months as an independent contractor" and the background check said the same thing, I wouldn't google those companies to find out what they were. All I would be concerned about would be - does this match what I have on file for the person? I would be more concerned about the dates matching, and making sure that there are no unexplained gaps, then worrying about what the companies actually were. We used to run hundreds of applications every month, and I don't think that I EVER googled to figure out what the company was.

Well with "Streamates" coming up on a background check as "Streamates", most men don't even need to google that. They already know what it is.

And, exactly, the fact that its not on your resume leads them to investigate it because they'll be thinking "hmm what is this, this person did not mention this on their resume, are they hiding something?" *googles* "Streamate - Live Sex Web Cam Video Chat - Free Memberships" "...oh, I see now."

ManyRoses
03-09-2012, 06:46 PM
Well with "Streamates" coming up on a background check as "Streamates", most men don't even need to google that. They already know what it is.

And, exactly, the fact that its not on your resume leads them to investigate it because they'll be thinking "hmm what is this, this person did not mention this on their resume, are they hiding something?" *googles* "Streamate - Live Sex Web Cam Video Chat - Free Memberships" "...oh, I see now."

If you read the whole post - I am saying that this only really works if you DO list it on your resume. Obviously if a company pops up that you had not included, I would expect it to be looked into further. But if you have listed "online support" "online freelance webchat" "online sales independent contractor" etc etc (i.e, any careful combination of words that suggests that you have a vanilla online job) with the company name "streamate.com", then there would be no reason to google it. Just the same as if you listed "HWH Projects" as a company that you worked for doing general admin, and "HWH Projects" came up on the background report, you wouldn't bother googling it to find out what it is.

And as for most guys knowing what streamate is, I actually disagree. Most of the guys I know DON'T know what it is, and don't even really know what webcamming is!! Seriously - I tell everyone what I do, and a surprisingly high number of guys have no idea what webcamming is - they are actually really confused as to how I make money with all the free porn that there is online. I am constantly surprised by how few people actually recognize the name. Yes, a lot of guys would recognize it. But I don't think that "most men" would. And most of my male friends are porn fiends - its just that they watch vast amount of the tube site stuff and regular ol recorded porn. I've found that MFC is much better known, but even then, so many guys just seem to have no clue.

Laurisa
03-09-2012, 06:54 PM
Okay, to clear up any confusion once and for all.

Companies can request you to sign Form 4506 which is sent to the IRS and gives them a copy of your 1040's from previous years. It does not include your 'job description' and certain other information is omitted as well. The reason for an employer requesting a Form 4506 is infrequent, but usually it is for people who are married AND have dependent children. The reasoning is so the employer can verify that you are married, and have dependents, who are eligible for your insurance. It is not done frequently and it is usually just for the previous year. Your 1040 will not disclose whether you worked for Streamate, MFC, AW, a 1040 does not list a business name for that matter. The webcam site's information off the 1099-misc is NOT listed on your 1040. Your spouse's SSN is available on your 1040 which is why it is useful to them. Alternatively, you could offer your marriage license and children's birth certificates to cover your tracks further. But rest assured that Form 4506 will only give them a copy of your 1040 and will never tell them about your involvement with SM, MFC, or AW. Form 4506 is not included in a consumer report through a consumer reporting agency (typical legal jargon found in a form you sign consenting to a background check) but even if it was it would NOT reveal you used to webcam.

The Social Security Earnings Statement is not part of a comprehensive background check. There is a specific consent form that is mailed in from you or someone you authorize to get the SSES, and it is NOT part of a pre-employment screening. This is virtually the ONLY way an employer could 'find out' about you, and there is NO reason they would EVER ask for this--EVER! Unless you are a top secret delta squad fighter pilot carrying the President and his kids out of a war zone, then don't worry, because there is no reason for them to find out how much money you've made and who gave it to you. Credit reports are enough to verify 'fiscal responsibility' and the SSES is too personal and is not the industry standard, even for people employed in the financial sector.

Your credit check MAY contain information about webcam companies/strip clubs IF you put them on a credit application where someone ran a background check on you (thus the credit bureau gets the information from the company, who got it from you, and enters it in your database). Pull all 3 of your credit reports (you get them free 1x per year). If you see a strip club/webcam name on your credit report then call the credit bureau and tell them the information is inaccurate and they will remove it for free/instantly.

If you have business licenses related to sex work/prior convictions then it will be impossible to hide, but if you are just a lonely camgirl/stripper who got a 1099 and filed a 1040, but had no business licenses, arrest records, and aren't listing it on your resume then they will be none the wiser.

-Laurisa

Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Credit_Reporting_Act

https://help.equifax.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/36/~/fcra-summary-of-rights (how to delete inaccurate information off of FCRA--which is what 'consumer reporting agencies' use to gather a 'consumer report' aka background check on you during a pre-employment screening)

http://www.fdic.gov/consumers/consumer/ccc/reporting.html

*Sample pre-employment screening clause for a Registered Nurse position at a hospital*
In connection with my use of the Job Application Website:

o I hereby authorize a thorough investigation of my past and/or current employment, work record, education record, criminal record, driving record, training record, my references, activities and statements contained in my job application and/or resume, and other matters related to my suitability for employment, and, further, authorize any references I have listed to disclose to SJPHS any and all letters, reports and other information related to my work records, without giving me prior notice of such disclosure. I understand that such information may include a record of disciplinary actions, reports, or letters of reprimand assessed by previous employers. I hereby release SJPHS and all persons, companies, or corporations supplying such information or investigating such matters from all claims, demands, liabilities, and responsibilities that arise out of or are in any way related to such investigation or disclosure.

o I hereby authorize SJPHS to order a "consumer report" from a "consumer reporting agency," pursuant to the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act, 15 U.S.C. §§ 1681et seq. (the "FCRA").

o I understand that this Agreement is a writing under which I am authorizing SJPHS to order my consumer report.

o I understand that I have certain rights under the FCRA and that SJPHS has given me notice of the same. A summary of my rights can be found at http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/credit/cre35.pdf.

o I understand and hereby acknowledge that information on the nature and scope of such reports will be made available within 30 days of a written request by me. Before taking any adverse employment action against me based on these reports, SJPHS will provide me with a copy of the reports, as well as a copy of my FTC-prescribed summary of rights under the FCRA which can be found at http://www.ftc.gov/os/2004/07/040709fcraappxf.pdf.

o I understand that any employment offer is conditional upon, amongst other things, successful completion of a physical examination/medical evaluation, which includes a drug screen, completion of an employment eligibility verification, pre-employment background verification, and upon receipt of satisfactory references.

o I declare that I am not using any illegal drugs and do not engage in improper self-medication.

o I further declare that if I have been convicted of a crime (other than a minor traffic violation), have pending felony charges against me, or have past felony arrests that did not result in a conviction, I will provide the details to SJPHS on the Job Application Website.

o I understand that nothing contained in my application, or conveyed during any interview which I may be granted, or during my employment, if hired, is intended to create a contract for continued employment with SJPHS. In addition, I understand and agree that if I am employed, my employment is at-will, for no definite or determinable period, and may be terminated at any time, with or without prior notice, at the option of either myself or SJPHS, and that no promises or representations contrary to the foregoing are binding on SJPHS unless made in writing and signed by me and/or a collective bargaining unit which I am represented by (if any), and an authorized representative of SJPHS.

o I certify the facts set forth in my candidate profile and online application or otherwise supplied by me to SJPHS are true and complete and correct and that I have not knowingly withheld any information that may adversely affect my chances for employment. I further certify that I, the undersigned applicant, have personally completed the application and materials I herein provide via the Job Application Website. I understand that the submission of any false and/or misleading or omitted information in connection with my candidate profile and online application may result in my disqualification for employment with SJPHS, and/or my immediate discharge at any time afterwards if I become employed by SJPHS, regardless of the time elapsed before discovery.

Note that nowhere in that contract do they report a Form 4506 be signed or say they are going to pull your Social Security Earnings Statement--which they would be required to disclose/get additional signatures for as it is NOT covered under the Fair Credit Reporting Act so they cannot request it with your signature when they say they are doing a 'background check' or 'consumer report'.

GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 06:56 PM
Well all I know is I have 1099 names listed as "potential employer" on my in-depth background check. And if I can pull it, anyone can pull it. Employers don't pull your IRS records, they pull your background check and credit check.

Laurisa
03-09-2012, 06:57 PM
Really? Did you not see the third post on this thread? lol. http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?170936-Camming-and-Nursing-School&p=2309929&viewfull=1#post2309929
http://nursinglink.monster.com/benefits/articles/4771-10-ways-to-lose-your-nursing-license?comment_page=2&page=3

From "10 Ways to Lose Your Nursing License":
"8. Hosting a Pornographic Website

Believe it or not – it happens. Just this last year, a nurse in Pennsylvania got her licensed revoked because she was hosting her own pornographic website. This most likely falls under “Unprofessional Conduct,” and it’s easy to chuckle at. But with today’s advancements in technology, and the widespread range of the internet, nurses who use their webcams to do a little work on a side may find themselves without a job."




That's because sexwork doesn't make you a criminal or make you lose your license. It just prevents you from getting hired and then from keeping your job. It is also listed as/under "unprofessional conduct". And in addition, many people in older generations (who are most likely doing the hiring) still believe in the sexworker stigmas. There are always firing loopholes and more than enough candidates to take the position.

She was hosting her own indy camsite, I remember this woman. She was not working on Streamate or an area with geoblocks. No one in my state or neighboring states has ever seen my webcam, #1, and #2 there is no active account or website I am operating. Sure, there are probably pirated videos but I've searched dozens of times and never found any. The chances of me being found from a random pirated video are slim. Not to mention, I've altered my appearance a lot since getting out of webcamming so I do NOT look the same at all.

So, if you are a nurse who is actively hosting an indy webcam site without geoblocks and someone sees you then yes, you may be fired if the company is a bunch of retards. But a girl who used to cam on MFC who quit is not going to get caught in a pre-employment screening from a 1099, that is what I'm saying.

ManyRoses
03-09-2012, 06:57 PM
^^ Side note - the details being discussed here are different for Canada, Europe, and can be different state-to-state. Just in case this is seriously confusing any brits or canadian chicas - this does not apply. Although the general principles being discussed are the same.

Laurisa
03-09-2012, 07:30 PM
Well all I know is I have 1099 names listed as "potential employer" on my in-depth background check. And if I can pull it, anyone can pull it. Employers don't pull your IRS records, they pull your background check and credit check.

That is likely because the 'potential employer' name is listed on your credit report. Have you checked your credit report to see?

Laurisa
03-09-2012, 07:45 PM
I just checked my credit report, since my taxes were filed.

Low and behold my tax information from my 1040 updated my credit report (you'll note my *current* address was updated 3/9/12--today!!) I have been living here since September 2011 and they are just now updating it.

You will also note that there is no employment information listed, why? Because I had it removed before and the IRS didn't tell them that I worked for Streamate because that is not something the IRS tells the credit bureaus. The credit bureaus only have listed strip clubs as my employer from credit applications.

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GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 08:08 PM
She was hosting her own indy camsite, I remember this woman. She was not working on Streamate or an area with geoblocks. No one in my state or neighboring states has ever seen my webcam, #1, and #2 there is no active account or website I am operating. Sure, there are probably pirated videos but I've searched dozens of times and never found any. The chances of me being found from a random pirated video are slim. Not to mention, I've altered my appearance a lot since getting out of webcamming so I do NOT look the same at all.

So, if you are a nurse who is actively hosting an indy webcam site without geoblocks and someone sees you then yes, you may be fired if the company is a bunch of retards. But a girl who used to cam on MFC who quit is not going to get caught in a pre-employment screening from a 1099, that is what I'm saying.

No one hosts their own indy camsite. Nor did it say she was indy. That would cost tens of thousands of dollars to build. There are women who have a members site, but stream through sites like Streamate or Naked and others. "Hosting" her own pornography means she is a chat host... a polite way of saying a cam girl or adult model. That doesn't mean she indepdently runs her own self-built cam site. You wouldn't even make a profit if you did that because you'd incur so much debt having it built from you and then paying for bandwidth costs that it wouldn't be worth it. She could have been the owner of a site like Streamate's owner perhaps, and then had girls work for her, but if she was making that kind of money (or had that kind of money for startup costs), I doubt she would still work as a nurse.



I just checked my credit report, since my taxes were filed.

Low and behold my tax information from my 1040 updated my credit report (you'll note my *current* address was updated 3/9/12--today!!) I have been living here since September 2011 and they are just now updating it.

That is your CREDIT REPORT, not an in-depth background check. lol.

And I wouldn't keep that up or post further things like that because there is software that removes blacked-out data.

Laurisa
03-09-2012, 08:20 PM
No one hosts their own indy camsite. Nor did it say she was indy. That would cost tens of thousands of dollars to build. There are women who have a members site, but stream through sites like Streamate or Naked and others. "Hosting" her own pornography means she is a chat host... a polite way of saying a cam girl or adult model. That doesn't mean she indepdently runs her own self-built cam site. You wouldn't even make a profit if you did that because you'd incur so much debt having it built from you and then paying for bandwidth costs that it wouldn't be worth it. She could have been the owner of a site like Streamate's owner perhaps, and then had girls work for her, but if she was making that kind of money (or had that kind of money for startup costs), I doubt she would still work as a nurse.




That is your CREDIT REPORT, not an in-depth background check. lol.
Undress_Jess runs her own cam site. She makes money. That is just one example.

Also, I am aware that is my credit report. I explained through detailed posts with detailed information that the only way they can get your employer information is from your references, previous licenses, or credit report. I also explained that the IRS does not share your 1040 without a specific form 4506 and that they do not report your employers to the credit bureau so that a webcam model who gets a 1099 is not running a risk of being exposed.

Also, since webcam models who receive 1099s and webcam models who do not receive 1099s both file 1040s it should be noted that an employer would see the same end result with a Form 4506 (the 1040). The only way to see a 1099 is through a social security earnings statement, which requires separate consent, and is not part of a 'comprehensive background check' as you call it--which is really called a "consumer report" through a "consumer reporting agency". The depth of the consumer report is determined by the potential employer, but regardless of how 'in-depth' the consumer report is, there is no way they are going to access your Social Security Earnings Statement which means whether a webcam model receives a 1099 or not is irrelevant because there is no 'paper trail' aside from the Social Security Earnings Statement. The only available tax return information to an employer (that is ONLY used for insurance information) is your 1040, through form 4506--which as I said is not part of a consumer report--but IF it was it would NOT be a concern because the employer would only see your SSN, name, amount reported, deductions, dependents/their SSNs, your spouse and their SSN. The name of the company/their tax ID number on your 1099 is NOT listed on your 1040 and therefore a form 4506 would not reveal that you were a webcam star. So it is irrelevant whether you file a 1040 and have received a 1099 or not--because the 1099 will never be accessed by an employer through the SSES. Even if your employer got a copy of your 1040 they would never know what you did/you were a stripper/webcam star. Ever. The information is not on there. My original 1040 that I printed out myself, yesterday, does not say Streamate anywhere.

So, let me be crystal clear: An employer cannot find out you were a webcam model or stripper unless it is listed on your credit report, you were licensed, arrested for something relating to your work, or you put it on your resume.

The ONLY way anyone can find out is from the Social Security Earnings Statement, which is never going to be asked for--ever.

So, in conclusion, I posted my credit report to show that even though the IRS had received my 1099-misc from SM and my 1040 that they did NOT report SM/my business name to the credit bureau, but updated my address only. That means that they were in contact with one another, but the IRS is NOT sharing tax information/employer/contractor information with the credit bureaus.

As in, no one is going to catch you. lol.

GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 08:41 PM
Also, since webcam models who receive 1099s and webcam models who do not receive 1099s both file 1040s it should be noted that an employer would see the same end result with a Form 4506 (the 1040). The only way to see a 1099 is through a social security earnings statement, which requires separate consent, and is not part of a 'comprehensive background check' as you call it--which is really called a "consumer report" through a "consumer reporting agency". The depth of the consumer report is determined by the potential employer, but regardless of how 'in-depth' the consumer report is, there is no way they are going to access your Social Security Earnings Statement which means whether a webcam model receives a 1099 or not is irrelevant because there is no 'paper trail' aside from the Social Security Earnings Statement. The only available tax return information to an employer (that is ONLY used for insurance information) is your 1040, through form 4506--which as I said is not part of a consumer report--but IF it was it would NOT be a concern because the employer would only see your SSN, name, amount reported, deductions, dependents/their SSNs, your spouse and their SSN. The name of the company/their tax ID number on your 1099 is NOT listed on your 1040 and therefore a form 4506 would not reveal that you were a webcam star. So it is irrelevant whether you file a 1040 and have received a 1099 or not--because the 1099 will never be accessed by an employer through the SSES. Even if your employer got a copy of your 1040 they would never know what you did/you were a stripper/webcam star. Ever. The information is not on there. My original 1040 that I printed out myself, yesterday, does not say Streamate anywhere.

So, let me be crystal clear: An employer cannot find out you were a webcam model or stripper unless it is listed on your credit report, you were licensed, arrested for something relating to your work, or you put it on your resume.

Jess runs her own paysite, yes, but she also cams on sites. You can't really pull your own traffic from no where.

That's obviously not true considering I pulled my own in-depth background check and multiple 1099 names showed up under "potential employers". It was only on an in-depth one, not the basic one. The basic ones are pretty pointless because its all public record stuff. So if I can see it, an employer can see it if they wanted to. These were not camming ones, but one was from dancing and another was from a makeup artistry company I freelanced for.

But arguing about this is pointless. If someone wants to play russian roulette with their employment, and knowingly lies in order to stay qualified for a job they would be disqualified for, they can go ahead as they are the only ones affected by it in the end. There are plenty of other career options out there that are far more lenient.

Melonie
03-10-2012, 07:39 AM
because I respect and value Melonie's input I would like to ask her to challenge what I've said with substantial facts. As in, finding an employment verification company/background check 'middle man' who lists information on their website about pulling social security earnings or requesting a signed form 4506 to send to the IRS.

I appreciate that ! However, you seem to be missing the point in regard to the need for a 4506 before the IRS will release information. That is true of a PRIVATE employer directly performing a background check. It is NOT true in regard to a background check being conducted by another branch of government, or in the case of an RN the states' professional licensing agencies.

Because of a number of 'scandals' involving professionals that were brought to light by internet media over the course of the past few years, state professional licensing agencies are now under tremendous pressure to thoroughly 'vet' professionals that are both applying for new licenses and renewing existing licenses. Thus it is virtually guaranteed that, at least for 'high profile' professional licensees ( i.e. doctors, nurses, attorneys, accountants, teachers etc. ), the FBI, IRS, DHS etc. are going to be 'consulted' ... as well as the state's own LE and tax agencies. If anything turns up that would 'disqualify' the license applicant, they won't be able to receive / renew their professional license. If anything turns up that isn't serious enough to 'disqualify' the license applicant, but could be of major importance to future employers, that info will be appended to the professional license holder's file. At that point, a private employer checking the status of the professional license of an RN job applicant could indeed become aware of 'unprofessional conduct' documented by the state licensing agency based on IRS or other source documents available to the state licensing agency ... not based on direct employer access to IRS or other confidential source documents which the private employer would not be granted without a signed 4506 or other personal permission form.

I would add that attorneys specializing in 'Professional License Defense' are now one of the fastest growing segments of the legal profession. From JPO Associates ...

(snip)Defending licensed professionals is a more delicate and complex task than defending other clients because a disposition that would satisfy an average client could result in a disciplinary action and the loss of professional license.

Our New York and New Jersey nurse license defense attorneys understand that the stakes are high when your professional license is on the line. We are skilled in rules and regulations that govern the nursing profession in New York and New Jersey and we are ready to represent you in any criminal matter or an administrative hearing.

While it takes years of hard work to obtain a nursing license, there are many shorter and faster ways to lose it. A charge of professional misconduct is likely to trigger an investigation and if the accusations are substantiated, the disciplinary action is certain to follow.

In New York, the NYS Education Department’s Office of the Professions (OP) investigates and prosecutes professional misconduct of nurses. The Board of Regents, on the other hand, is responsible for the final disposition of all disciplinary matters."(snip)

^^^ the important point here is that if and when an 'unprofessional conduct' issue ever arises, RN's and other professional license holders really won't receive 'due process of law'. Instead they will receive an administrative judgement from bureaucrats. And that administrative judgement, in the worst case, would deny them the ability to work in the profession for which they have invested years of effort and tens of thousands of dollars worth of tuition. Admittedly, in the absence of criminal charges, an 'unprofessional conduct' issue is likely to be resolved by the imposition of a fine ( states have bad budget problems after all ), and the inclusion of an official reprimand in the person's professional license file, rather than the denial / revocation of the professional license. This is precisely what happened in my own personal case when I renewed my RT professional license.



I pulled my own in-depth background check and multiple 1099 names showed up under "potential employers". It was only on an in-depth one, not the basic one. The basic ones are pretty pointless because its all public record stuff. So if I can see it, an employer can see it if they wanted to.

Just to clarify, this is the case with credit reports ... which can and do link to 1099 payer names as 'potential employers' based on bank records not IRS records. Credit reports, both standard and in-depth, are available to any prospective employer. Thus having 'StreaMates' show up as a 'potential employer' on a camgirl's credit report poses a potential direct channel for informing a prospective private employer of her past or present camming activities. But where an RN or other position requiring a professional license is concerned, the prospective private employer is going to have access to any and all general information contained in the state professional licensing agency's personal file for that job applicant ... including 'unprofessional conduct' references stemming from the state professional licensing agency's 'priveleged' access to FBI or IRS or other confidential gov't records.

At a 'lower' level, IRS information CAN filter down to credit reports by other means as well ... with one major possibility being a camgirl's failure to pay income taxes in full by the April 17th deadline showing up as a 'debt' on said credit report. This in turn may prompt prospective employers to request that the camgirl job applicant sign a 4506 permission form to allow the prospective employer to obtain further details from the IRS. Or it may simply prompt prospective employers to set that job application aside on the assumption of 'financial irresponsibility' representing a potential increased risk of employee theft or other potential illegal means of supplementing regular income ...



arguing about this is pointless. If someone wants to play russian roulette with their employment, and knowingly lies in order to stay qualified for a job they would be disqualified for, they can go ahead as they are the only ones affected by it in the end.

Well, that's not exactly true. The employer who winds up being involved in a 'scandal' as the result of having an employee working in a high profile capacity being 'outed' is certainly affected. This in turn results in that employer, and similar employers, being motivated to go to greater lengths to try and assure that future 'scandals' can be avoided. And the best way to do that is to apply maximum scrutiny to the background checks of any prospective new high profile employees. While this isn't all that significant for jobs requiring professional licenses ( where the state professional licensing agencies already apply maximum scrutiny to background checks ), it IS significant for jobs that don't require professional licenses but do involve the 'public trust' i.e. working with other people's money, other people's bodies, other people's children etc.


I would also point out that 'facial recognition', either in person or increasingly so via advanced facial recognition software, can be just as damaging as a 'paper trail'. Again risking a reprimand for posting a link, here's what happened to an 'acquaintance' of mine ...



... and she really wasn't the 'porn star' as claimed in the news report ... just an exotic dancer, magazine and adult website model

There is a distinct possibility that, a couple of years from now, any prospective employer can take a facial photograph of a would-be job applicant ... can upload that photo to an internet search service ... and can receive in return a list of websites where the same face appears !!!! Google already has the technology developed to do this, and facial recognition search engines such as PicTriev are already available to the general public for 'free'. Undoubtedly, a paid facial recognition search engine service that performs far better than PicTriev for use by prospective employers is only a matter of time, if it doesn't exist already ! IMHO, facial recognition technology represents a major future 'stumbling block' for any girl that has 'adult' material posted on the internet.


Again, I'm not saying that working as a camgirl is actually going to interfere with being able to work as an RN several years down the road. In the worst case, prison hospitals, inner city health clinics, etc. will always need nurses ... as will foreign countries. And working as a camgirl or exotic dancer is not a 'crime' that would make obtaining / renewing a professional license impossible. But it could indeed hinder the ability to secure lucrative high profile employment at a gov't run / religious hospital serving the 'general public' where concerns about 'unprofessional conduct' by high profile employees are likely to be major.

Laurisa
03-10-2012, 10:12 AM
^^Even though state licensing boards can use Form 4506 without permission the Form 4506 only gives them your 1040 (not your 1099) and as I said, the 1040 does not link you with a cam site in any way.

Yes, facial recognition software could 'out' you later--but that technology will likely not be available to employers for some time--and that is assuming the technology has the ability to search entire pirated porn videos at a time. In all likelihood the technology would scan images and stills (or thumbnails from porn videos) so it is less likely that a cam girl would be outed from a thumbnail of a pirated porn video on xhamster, for example.

The facial recognition software's ability to search every picture and watch every video on the web is still years away, technology is advancing but even that would take some time, and it will be expensive, so even when it is available I doubt employers will use it to search online databases to find pictures of you doing 'questionable' things.

It's an unlikely possibility.

Also, to use facial recognition software the current software uses a stock photograph to search/identify the person. My laptop has facial recognition login capability (meaning in the login screen my webcam pops up and identifies my face and lets me log in without typing a password) through a program called KeyLemon.

If I have a lot of make up on, or it is too bright or dark, the KeyLemon software won't recognize me. So a stock photograph taken of an applicant for a job may not be enough to find them in a porn video, where they may have worn glasses, heavy make up, aged by ten years, had facial plastic surgery, worn a wig, had different hair, etc.

Also, if a camsite shows up on a camgirls credit report she can call and have it removed immediately without hassle. Studies have shown as much as 79% of credit reports contain outdated or inaccurate information, so it is not difficult to have the credit bureaus remove it because it is a common place mistake.

Melonie
03-10-2012, 03:37 PM
Actually, I have no idea what sort of restrictions on personal IRS info exist for a gov't agency with 'priveleged' and 'confidential' access. Again you're making a big assumption that the private sector form 4506 permissions and protections applies to gov't agencies.

Also, I have no idea what the capabilities of Google's / paid search engines / the gov'ts facial recognition software will be several years down the road. But it's logical to assume that those capabilities will only improve.

GlamourRouge is correct that there's really no point pressing this issue any further. If a particular camgirl believes that working in the 'adult industry' isn't going to adversely affect a future 'straight' career, I certainly can't conclusively prove the opposite ... today at least.