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HighHeelHottie
03-06-2012, 12:15 PM
I'm going to school to be an RN, and now that SM issues the 1099, I know Streamate is on my background check. Does anyone know how this will affect a career in the medical field?
islandsoutherngirl
03-06-2012, 12:17 PM
I am wondering myself as well...
CarolinaBelle
03-06-2012, 12:30 PM
I have a friend who is a male nurse and he knows that I have been a stripper in the past and that I am now camming. So, we had this conversation not very long ago. I myself am not interested in nursing school, but I have another stripper friend who recently started, so I asked him about this and the response was not positive :( anyway, he showed me this: http://nursinglink.monster.com/benefits/articles/4771-10-ways-to-lose-your-nursing-license?comment_page=2 there are several things in that but the one pertinent to camming is this one:
8. Hosting a Pornographic Website
"Believe it or not – it happens. Just this last year, a nurse in Pennsylvania got her licensed revoked because she was hosting her own pornographic website. This most likely falls under “Unprofessional Conduct,” and it’s easy to chuckle at. But with today’s advancements in technology, and the widespread range of the internet, nurses who use their webcams to do a little work on a side may find themselves without a job."
HighHeelHottie
03-06-2012, 12:43 PM
Time to think about what business I'm going to start...
minniesoporno
03-06-2012, 12:48 PM
There are many nurses who use to be porn stars nina Hartley just got her PHD and Sharon Mitchelle. I wouldn't let a little website blog discourage you.
CourtneyRaine
03-06-2012, 12:51 PM
Damn, that's harsh. Now I'm glad I didn't go back to school for my Masters in Nursing!
Although if you're already enrolled in a program, could you think about becoming a private nurse? When I was in college I worked as a private companion for an elderly lady who lived in a nursing home. I got paid $2,000/month off the books working 30 hours a week, and my "work" consisted of watching TV and playing checkers with her. I'm sure if you're an RN you could make a killing working privately for someone wealthy, and they probably won't care as much about your camming background.
HighHeelHottie
03-06-2012, 12:52 PM
Yeah, I still plan to definitely get my education, but I also want to have a back-up plan. Who knows, maybe I can say that I did affiliate marketing for them or something?
LaurenAus
03-06-2012, 12:52 PM
^ yeah like home health. That's where the money is at anyway
Camgirltee
03-06-2012, 12:54 PM
This is something to think about but I am going with Minnie's response. I am going to school for medical assistant!
minniesoporno
03-06-2012, 01:01 PM
This is something to think about but I am going with Minnie's response. I am going to school for medical assistant!
right now i am in the proccess of becoming a midwife, I remember when I lost to two BS jobs at a call centre and a movie threatre, if I was a full employee or had the energy or money I would have sued them both. society claims we are suppose to get out of the sex trade and get real jobs. well helllo some of those real jobs are espensive becasue of the type of education you need for them. who really wants to be neck high in student loans to pay for an education that society claims is acceptable.
moving forward if my past decides to come out again i am well prepared to sue anyone and any association who has a problem with it.
islandsoutherngirl
03-06-2012, 01:05 PM
More power to you and that is true. All these student loans and debt for someone to say that I have an acceptable job. This is the 2nd time someone brought up the private nursing option to me. I actually heard that there is good money pursuing that avenue as well.
Aurora_Sunset
03-06-2012, 01:06 PM
^^ Exactly. "Get out of sex work and work a respectable job, but, uh, we won't hire you at our respectable job if you ever did it." Uhhh... what?
minniesoporno
03-06-2012, 01:16 PM
Then also when you do get those society approved respectable jobs you pretty much have to forget that being in the sex trade is what got you there.
Camgirltee
03-06-2012, 01:48 PM
I live very close to Beverly Hills and not far from Calabasas! Great money making areas for private nurses. I will look into after school. I need to do it soon because I am now 40 years old. No spring chicken! lol
miss1dancypants
03-06-2012, 02:19 PM
can you sue an employer if they fire you or refuse to hire you because you fall under the category of "sex worker"? isn't that discrimination against sex workers?
and does it matter if it is a public or private employer. i'll probably be working in state or local government if i ever use my degree.
thanks!
SarahTime
03-06-2012, 02:28 PM
can you sue an employer if they fire you or refuse to hire you because you fall under the category of "sex worker"? isn't that discrimination against sex workers?
and does it matter if it is a public or private employer. i'll probably be working in state or local government if i ever use my degree.
thanks!
I don't think any smart employer would refuse to hire you and flat out tell you it's because of your background in the adult industry. They would find a much more clever way to not hire you... sad but true. There are probably dozens of others that would be applying for the same jobs, it's easy to find someone else "more qualified". It would be VERY hard to prove that you were not hired for the sole reason that you were in the adult business.
Charlotteslut
03-06-2012, 02:31 PM
^Yes. I would not recommend adult work for anyone whose dream is to be a teacher, doctor, nurse, politician, etc. There is too much of a stigma attached to this work. If you need a job that gives you a comparable amount of cash, maybe look into bartending, waitressing, etc.
LaurenAus
03-06-2012, 02:37 PM
I plan on going into healthcare and camming on the side. There will always be sick people and aging baby boomers. Like the above posters said, do private home health care if you don't get hired at a hospital for whatever reason. If something does come up you can say you worked in Marketing, Communications, or Customer Relations.
GlamourRouge
03-06-2012, 02:45 PM
If you want to be a nurse, don't go into the adult industry. Or vice versa. You often work with kids, and that's a big reason why they are not tolerant of sexworkers or ex-sexworkers. If it shows up on your background check, they WILL ask you about it in an interview. And they may just disqualify you for the position without you ever knowing if they see it. In addition, once you're working a nurse, they can fire you for it and likely will when it comes out. Its just not worth living in fear and spending all that money in hopes that you never get caught when many do.
However, if you become something like a beauty nurse, you might be okay. You would develop & bring your own clientele to the plastic surgeon's or esthetics office, and you never work with children (only 18+). Pretty much anything that requires you to work with even a small amount of children, will fire you for a background in sexwork. Facts are facts.
There's a reason why this career pays so much. Its because it limits your future employment. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't work with children in any way or take any leadership role where you must set a good example to younger people (i.e. politics). Every girl seems to think she's the exception to the rule, when its just not the case. "But I'll never get found out!" "There's no way they won't hire me!" Lots of women get found out through the dumbest, most inconceivable ways out of their control. And in an economy where 50+ people usually apply for the same 1 position, they are LOOKING for ways to disqualify people. Considering pornography is on the list of things they won't hire, lying or hiding your past is doing a disservice to yourself, unless your goal is to end up with your real name and stage name in the media when you are found out. Try getting ANY job after that happens.
Charlotteslut
03-06-2012, 02:49 PM
I plan on going into healthcare and camming on the side. There will always be sick people and aging baby boomers. Like the above posters said, do private home health care if you don't get hired at a hospital for whatever reason. ^^Charlotte I think she wants an actual career not a job. If something does come up you can say you worked in Marketing, Communications, or Customer Relations.
I mean a job that can compete with the money she'd get camming, until she starts working as a nurse.
Camgirltee
03-06-2012, 03:40 PM
If you want to be a nurse, don't go into the adult industry. Or vice versa. You often work with kids, and that's a big reason why they are not tolerant of sexworkers or ex-sexworkers. If it shows up on your background check, they WILL ask you about it in an interview. And they may just disqualify you for the position without you ever knowing if they see it. In addition, once you're working a nurse, they can fire you for it and likely will when it comes out. Its just not worth living in fear and spending all that money in hopes that you never get caught when many do.
However, if you become something like a beauty nurse, you might be okay. You would develop & bring your own clientele to the plastic surgeon's or esthetics office, and you never work with children (only 18+). Pretty much anything that requires you to work with even a small amount of children, will fire you for a background in sexwork. Facts are facts.
There's a reason why this career pays so much. Its because it limits your future employment. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't work with children in any way or take any leadership role where you must set a good example to younger people (i.e. politics). Every girl seems to think she's the exception to the rule, when its just not the case. "But I'll never get found out!" "There's no way they won't hire me!" Lots of women get found out through the dumbest, most inconceivable ways out of their control. And in an economy where 50+ people usually apply for the same 1 position, they are LOOKING for ways to disqualify people. Considering pornography is on the list of things they won't hire, lying or hiding your past is doing a disservice to yourself, unless your goal is to end up with your real name and stage name in the media when you are found out. Try getting ANY job after that happens.
Thanks goodness I don't like kids or working with them. I plan on working in nursing homes for the elderly. I can put up with older people better than I can younger. Lots of people now stay home and have a nurse come in. I love that. They did it for my grandmother.
To the OP it is possible it will cause problems but whatever you decide to do complete your education. I may bitch about my student loans, but my college experience was invaluable in terms of personal growth, and I actually use more of what I learned in this job than I di in any of the BS corporate ones I had.
If you still want to work in the adult industry maybe something like PSO would be better. It may be easier to cover up. Though now information is so much harder to hide, you never can tell. If you really want to be a nurse you may have to make a choice. It's not fair, but it's the reality of our work.
GlamourRouge
03-06-2012, 04:01 PM
Thanks goodness I don't like kids or working with them. I plan on working in nursing homes for the elderly. I can put up with older people better than I can younger. Lots of people now stay home and have a nurse come in. I love that. They did it for my grandmother.
The only problem with that though is, you don't get to choose your internships a lot of the time (especially not in this economy), and a lot of nursing programs have an anti-sexworker clause in general.
Melonie
03-07-2012, 03:19 AM
This most likely falls under “Unprofessional Conduct,” and it’s easy to chuckle at. But with today’s advancements in technology, and the widespread range of the internet, nurses who use their webcams to do a little work on a side may find themselves without a job."
I actually have a degree in Respiratory Therapy ... which like Nursing requires a 'professional license'. I was indeed fined and officially reprimanded by my state's professional licensing authority for 'unprofessional conduct'. While this doesn't prevent me from working as an RT again, it DOES make the fact that I was involved in the 'adult entertainment industry' immediately apparent to any would-be employer who checks on the status of my professional license. In practical terms, this basically means that I could still work treating patients in prison hospitals, at inner city clinics etc. which have poor working conditions thus a huge shortage of RT's ( in fact I wound up catching TB from a patient who was a prisoner - which 'sidelined' me from working as an RT for several months thus prompting me to become a full time adult entertainer ! ) ... and near zero chance of working for a private hospital, a home care company, a 'religious' hospital etc. where the better pay rate and better working conditions provide the prospective employers with a surplus of RT job applicants.
Especially in today's age of 1099 reports to the IRS and to state tax agencies by adult webcam hosts and strip clubs, state professional licensing agencies are now very likely to be 'automatically' informed that a licensee with social security number X is working / has worked in the 'adult entertainment' industry. And given the terrible budget deficits in most states, the professional licensing agencies are virtually guaranteed to try and relieve that deficit slightly by imposing hefty fines on professional license holders whose 1099's show they have engaged in 'unprofessional conduct' - with the by-product being a 'black mark' on their professional license that can and will affect future employment opportunities for the rest of their lives. In some ways, i.e. potential negative effects on future 'straight job' employers, this is directly equivalent in result to an exotic dancer being ( bogusly ) busted and receiving a 'black mark' on her criminal record.
Viewed objectively, if you are considering investing years worth of effort and tens ( or hundreds ) of thousands of dollars in tuition money to become a licensed health care professional ( or any other type of licensed professional for that matter i.e. attorney, engineer, accountant, teacher etc. ), you may indeed want to weigh the short term financial benefits of webcam / strip club earnings against the potential long term negative effects of creating a 'paper trail' of adult industry work = 'unprofessional conduct'. As others have already pointed out, the comparatively high earnings potential available from 'adult industry' work is, at least in part, a result of the a 'real world' trade-off that will negatively affect future employment opportunities / earnings potential in other industries.
Ironically, the new IRS requirements for 1099 reporting by webcam hosts ( even foreign ones ) and strip clubs ... which now provides an automatic means for state professional licensing authorities to be informed of 'adult industry work' by license holders ... stems directly from the new US National Health Care law !!!
can you sue an employer if they fire you or refuse to hire you because you fall under the category of "sex worker"? isn't that discrimination against sex workers?
Where licensed professionals are concerned, having an official reprimand for 'unprofessional conduct' clipped to the 'first page' of their professional license file provides a legally valid reason for an employer to 'fire' that licensed professional as long as the employer's published employment policy includes a 'business ethics' aka 'morals' clause ( which virtually all straight job employers now include ). And where pre-employment screenings and background checks are concerned, no reason needs to be provided by the prospective employer for turning down any given job applicant outside of 'protected classes' i.e. race, creed, sex etc.
Also, legally speaking, 'adult industry' work is treated very differently from straight jobs. Were it actually treated equally under the law, some very unpopular side effects would take place ... for example unemployed Nevada women being denied unemployment benefits because they refused to accept an available job at the Bunny Ranch, or unemployed New York women being denied unemployment benefits because they refused to accept an available job as a peep show nude model !!! This legal issue was actually litigated under international law, as the result of 100% legal brothel owners in Germany having to pay into the unemployment system, wanting the gov't unemployment office to refer 'qualified' unemployed women to them, and wanting the payment of unemployment benefits denied to those 'qualified' unemployed women if they were offered employment as 100% legal prostitutes but refused.
Camgirltee
03-07-2012, 10:46 AM
Now they even want to do background checks on Receptionist jobs!!!! That is crazy! Just check Craigslist!! It is harder to get a job nowadays! Phonesex is an option now from what I see on youtube!
TracyBlade
03-07-2012, 06:02 PM
Ok, yes, they do a background check on you to even get into a nursing program. I was in an LPN program for a while before shit went down with my parents...(I was staying with them while going to school and working retail) Anyway, I will say this now even though some may disagree, I doubt you have much to worry about as far as anyone finding out you were camming. I cammed some before I was in the program and no one uttered a peep, lol they just look into things such as DUi charges, felonies, misdemeanors...if you have any of those, you SOL. And yes, my boss issued me a 1099. Now granted there's always that chance someone "Could" find out but the likely hood of that happening is probably pretty slim. As much as people sit and gripe and worry about their future employers finding out, unless you're applying for the FBI I doubt you have much to worry about. Sorry. I will be back in school in the fall, just going straight for my RN and I'm not too worried about it. * Also, there is a major difference b/w a background check and an investigation....
TracyBlade
03-07-2012, 06:06 PM
Only real problem I can for see is you explaining a gap in employment to a future employer but well you can probably cover that well enough...background checks costs money and while health care does them pretty in depth i REALLY don't see camming coming up in one.
TracyBlade
03-08-2012, 12:12 AM
I actually have a degree in Respiratory Therapy ... which like Nursing requires a 'professional license'. I was indeed fined and officially reprimanded by my state's professional licensing authority for 'unprofessional conduct'. While this doesn't prevent me from working as an RT again, it DOES make the fact that I was involved in the 'adult entertainment industry' immediately apparent to any would-be employer who checks on the status of my professional license. In practical terms, this basically means that I could still work treating patients in prison hospitals, at inner city clinics etc. which have poor working conditions thus a huge shortage of RT's ( in fact I wound up catching TB from a patient who was a prisoner - which 'sidelined' me from working as an RT for several months thus prompting me to become a full time adult entertainer ! ) ... and near zero chance of working for a private hospital, a home care company, a 'religious' hospital etc. where the better pay rate and better working conditions provide the prospective employers with a surplus of RT job applicants.
Especially in today's age of 1099 reports to the IRS and to state tax agencies by adult webcam hosts and strip clubs, state professional licensing agencies are now very likely to be 'automatically' informed that a licensee with social security number X is working / has worked in the 'adult entertainment' industry. And given the terrible budget deficits in most states, the professional licensing agencies are virtually guaranteed to try and relieve that deficit slightly by imposing hefty fines on professional license holders whose 1099's show they have engaged in 'unprofessional conduct' - with the by-product being a 'black mark' on their professional license that can and will affect future employment opportunities for the rest of their lives. In some ways, i.e. potential negative effects on future 'straight job' employers, this is directly equivalent in result to an exotic dancer being ( bogusly ) busted and receiving a 'black mark' on her criminal record.
Viewed objectively, if you are considering investing years worth of effort and tens ( or hundreds ) of thousands of dollars in tuition money to become a licensed health care professional ( or any other type of licensed professional for that matter i.e. attorney, engineer, accountant, teacher etc. ), you may indeed want to weigh the short term financial benefits of webcam / strip club earnings against the potential long term negative effects of creating a 'paper trail' of adult industry work = 'unprofessional conduct'. As others have already pointed out, the comparatively high earnings potential available from 'adult industry' work is, at least in part, a result of the a 'real world' trade-off that will negatively affect future employment opportunities / earnings potential in other industries.
Ironically, the new IRS requirements for 1099 reporting by webcam hosts ( even foreign ones ) and strip clubs ... which now provides an automatic means for state professional licensing authorities to be informed of 'adult industry work' by license holders ... stems directly from the new US National Health Care law !!!
Where licensed professionals are concerned, having an official reprimand for 'unprofessional conduct' clipped to the 'first page' of their professional license file provides a legally valid reason for an employer to 'fire' that licensed professional as long as the employer's published employment policy includes a 'business ethics' aka 'morals' clause ( which virtually all straight job employers now include ). And where pre-employment screenings and background checks are concerned, no reason needs to be provided by the prospective employer for turning down any given job applicant outside of 'protected classes' i.e. race, creed, sex etc.
Also, legally speaking, 'adult industry' work is treated very differently from straight jobs. Were it actually treated equally under the law, some very unpopular side effects would take place ... for example unemployed Nevada women being denied unemployment benefits because they refused to accept an available job at the Bunny Ranch, or unemployed New York women being denied unemployment benefits because they refused to accept an available job as a peep show nude model !!! This legal issue was actually litigated under international law, as the result of 100% legal brothel owners in Germany having to pay into the unemployment system, wanting the gov't unemployment office to refer 'qualified' unemployed women to them, and wanting the payment of unemployment benefits denied to those 'qualified' unemployed women if they were offered employment as 100% legal prostitutes but refused.
Wait, are you trying to say women have been turned down b/c they refused a job at a brothel?
Melonie
03-08-2012, 03:25 PM
^^* Oh the German case ... initially this was the result of the lawsuit brought by German 'whorehouse' owners. Their case was that prostitution is a totally legal job in Germany, that as legal business owners they were forced to pay into the country's unemployment system, and that for these reasons they should receive the same 'attention' from unemployment offices - plus unemployed workers who refused their job offers should receive the same 'consequences' as unemployed workers refusing other more mainstream job offers i.e. cancellation of unemployment benefits.
From the UK Telegraph ...
(snip)"A 25-year-old waitress who turned down a job providing "sexual services'' at a brothel in Berlin faces possible cuts to her unemployment benefit under laws introduced this year.
Prostitution was legalised in Germany just over two years ago and brothel owners – who must pay tax and employee health insurance – were granted access to official databases of jobseekers.
The waitress, an unemployed information technology professional, had said that she was willing to work in a bar at night and had worked in a cafe.
She received a letter from the job centre telling her that an employer was interested in her "profile'' and that she should ring them. Only on doing so did the woman, who has not been identified for legal reasons, realise that she was calling a brothel.
Under Germany's welfare reforms, any woman under 55 who has been out of work for more than a year can be forced to take an available job – including in the sex industry – or lose her unemployment benefit. Last month German unemployment rose for the 11th consecutive month to 4.5 million, taking the number out of work to its highest since reunification in 1990.
The government had considered making brothels an exception on moral grounds, but decided that it would be too difficult to distinguish them from bars. As a result, job centres must treat employers looking for a prostitute in the same way as those looking for a dental nurse.
When the waitress looked into suing the job centre, she found out that it had not broken the law. Job centres that refuse to penalise people who turn down a job by cutting their benefits face legal action from the potential employer. (snip)
The hue and cry raised over this incident eventually led to the German gov't passing a law that classified 'sex trade' businesses to be outside of the state's unemployment system. This removed the potential loss of benefits if a job working as a prostitute was refused. It also eliminated the necessity of brothel owners to pay taxes into the state's unemployment system, since they were now legally prevented from exercising 'employer rights' under that system. And it removed unemployment taxes as well as unemployment benefit eligibility for 'sex trade' workers. This basically established an international legal precedent that 'sex trade' jobs must be treated differently from 'mainstream' jobs.
I will be back in school in the fall, just going straight for my RN and I'm not too worried about it. * Also, there is a major difference b/w a background check and an investigation....
Agreed that you're not likely to have any trouble with obtaining your RN. The problems could start immediately after you graduate, when you need to apply for a state professional license and will be subjected to a thorough gov't conducted background investigation. If you truthfully answer the license application questions about past 'unprofessional conduct', you could be hurting your chances with future employers by 'volunteering' the fact that you have worked on adult webcam or as a 'stripper'.
If you try to avoid this, and dishonestly answer the license application questions about past 'unprofessional conduct', and your previous work at StreaMates or Hustler or some other 'adult industry' capacity shows up during the investigation, you could be denied the license ( and thus denied the ability to work as an RN ) due to lying / withholding important information on a gov't document. This basically amounts to a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' potential. In the worst case, there's no problem working as an RN outside of the USA though, since a US state professional RN license isn't required by foreign countries !!! Well, Canada may be an exception since the US and Canadian gov'ts now share tons of information about each other's citizens.
In my own case, I didn't have any problems with my initial applications for state professional licenses in two different states. When it came time to renew that professional license several years later, one of the two states 'caught' the paper trail of my 'unprofessional conduct' i.e. working in the 'adult industry'. Thus this is clearly a 'calculated risk'. However, with each passing year, automatic information sharing between different states, and between states and the US federal gov't, is increasing.
tinydancer23
03-08-2012, 03:33 PM
just wanted to drop a note to say that "on the books" home health care is NOT where the money is at. i'm disabled and i use personal care attendants through an agency and they get paid terribly. (i've also researched average pay and other info about home health care positions when i advertised for pcas on my own and as part of the work i do for disability organizations). unless you get REALLY lucky working for a super rich person paid privately, most pcas/dsps (personal care attendants/direct support professionals) make about $10/hour on a really good day, usually without any benefits whatsoever and most are underemployed. and the duties range from playing checkers to physically lifting people in and out of bed and helping them to the bathroom to doing housework. it's great side work and if you get your cna you can make a career out of it working for a reliable agency or for a nursing home or something, but it is not very lucrative. also, since you'll be working with people with a variety of disabilities, it's possible that a sex work background will disqualify you. my partner works in security and for the gov't and says it's unlikely that they'll go that deeply into a background check (because it's expensive) but if they do it is a risk.
TracyBlade
03-08-2012, 05:50 PM
If that happens I will have a huge paycheck waiting for me for "unprofessional conduct" i didn't do on the job. :-D See ya in court suckers.
Spinnerette
03-08-2012, 07:09 PM
As a side note...background checks for receptionist jobs listed on craigslist are scams.
Ive started camming to pay for all my expenses built up since i was 18 (credit cards, students school fees, etc.) ive been buried in credit cards for so long and working at mindless retail jobs got me NO WHERE it just paid for the gas to get back at work to earn just enough to pay for more gas to get to work! what an awful cycle :/. Camming has gotten me out of debt in the past 3 months than ive been trying to for the past 4 years! just saying i am extremely grateful to come across camming and it took a lot of financial stress off of me.
Anyways im going to school getting my bachelors in biology and then off to grad school to become a PA (physician assistant). ive always wondered whether or not camming would affect me once im done with school and looking for a job. PAs can be found working in more rural areas where doctors are not as fluent as in the city and are needed more. Ill admit, I would be EXTREMELY disappointed to find out an employer turned me down because of my "inappropriate conduct" but I do a lot of volunteer work now and will continue to do so and will also stop camming once i get my bachelors then during my 2-4 years of graduate school will work in a hospital as clerical. so by the time i graduate and are looking for employers, the camming part will be "from long ago" and they can look more at the positive such as my volunteering, and current job in hospital. Basically outweigh the bad with good and have the bad a good distance in the past. this is what im going to do and being bilingual and with more positive on my resume, i doubt i would get turn down at with every employer :D.
Laurisa
03-09-2012, 10:25 AM
I don't get it.
When I called the IRS they said my job title from my 1040 wouldn't be revealed in a background check, also, I was never licensed to be a stripper or cam girl so I don't know how an employer could find out I ever worked for Streamate from a normal background check?
Can someone explain this to me?
GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 01:01 PM
I don't get it.
When I called the IRS they said my job title from my 1040 wouldn't be revealed in a background check, also, I was never licensed to be a stripper or cam girl so I don't know how an employer could find out I ever worked for Streamate from a normal background check?
Can someone explain this to me?
On an in-depth background check, 1099s show up as "potential employer". It has the name of the company, which is different than the cam site (unless you worked on Streamate because they show up as "Streamates"), but it is still googleable since other people have asked things like "Who is MFCXY on this 1099??" and someone replies "MYFREECAMS.COM!" and stuff like that.
Jobs these days look through your history with a fine-toothed comb because they don't want to have to go through the re-hiring process because its so expensive. And also, just because its so easy to do these days & relatively inexpensive (a couple hundred for an in-depth background check). Its an investment in the candidate. I'd do it to if I was an employer.
There's really no escaping it. If the company has an anti-sexwork clause (most healthcare, teaching, politics, and any jobs that work with children/leadership roles), I wouldn't even bother applying because its not worth it to have your real name + stage name end up in the news once the company finds out you lied.
Melonie
03-09-2012, 03:41 PM
When I called the IRS they said my job title from my 1040 wouldn't be revealed in a background check
That's technically true. IRS won't provide the job title you enter on your 1040. However, they WILL provide the names of payers from which you received 1099's, as GlamourRough pointed out above.
In the future, it is a virtual certainty that any person applying for a professional license, from a PA to an RN to an MD to a CPA to a teacher to an attorney to an engineer to 'you name it' is going to be subjected to an in-depth background check initiated by the state professional licensing agency they apply to. The results of that in-depth investigation, if they don't prevent the state agency from issuing the license in the first place, will be appended to the applicant's personal professional license file. From there, every prospective employer will check that professional license file and thus be made aware of anything the state agency background check turned up WITHOUT having to initialize / pay for an in-depth background check themselves.
Laurisa
03-09-2012, 03:57 PM
Well in order to be an EMT I do not need a license, you get a certification from the NREMT. So since it is just a certificate for EMTs and paramedics do you think there is less chance they will look into it?
Laurisa
03-09-2012, 04:00 PM
Also, since the IRS will not be revealing my job title, if a prospective employer asked what I did for SM (gross income was only $1285) then I would just tell them I did freelance online marketing for the company. I have a background in marketing and HTML from high school jobs so it's not a far fetch, I'd say I received compensation for referrals but that I quit doing it after 3 months because it didn't pay well.
Streamate has since closed my account and because of privacy agreements SM and I had in my original contact IF my prospective employer contacted SM to verify this information they would not be at liberty to release the details of our landlord/tenant relationship.
Do you see an issue with that Melonie? The amount I made was so low that I doubt the prospective employer would probe too far into it. Also, I was never required to get a license from Streamate to webcam and as stated there are no dancing licenses on my record so the paper trail essentially ends there.
Quote from SM's contract:
"There are a limited number of situations where we may disclose your personal information to others without first receiving your consent: (1) when legally ordered to do so by a lawful subpoena or court order, (2) if you violate or breach an agreement with us, (3) if we believe conduct by you will harm the property or rights of Streamate or those of Streamate customers or chat hosts, (4) under exigent circumstances to protect the physical safety of Streamate, its employees, users or the general public, (5) in connection with the sale of all or substantially all of our company's assets or the sale of an entire web site or business division or (6) in order to validate credit card numbers for charging for fee services."
A background check/phone call from prospective employer would not give them this right. Also, they said my account would be completely removed from their servers after 90 days and not retrievable. It is highly unlikely that SM would reveal my exact 'job' as an independent contractor because of privacy reasons.
Melonie
03-09-2012, 04:05 PM
^^^ not really ... as long as the prospective employer isn't a real stickler to begin with.
Laurisa
03-09-2012, 04:09 PM
Yeah, I wonder if they could request to see an unedited copy of my 1040 from me? If they did I would probably decline and move onto the next company. EMS is a small world though, I've always worried about this.
Somehow I think it'll wind up being just fine. If you pull my credit report it says that I was employed by Deja Vu and I just had a complete background check done by the local police department for my clinicals (which means I am working in the hospital/ambulance) and I passed to my knowledge (no one has said otherwise).
GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 04:30 PM
Also, since the IRS will not be revealing my job title, if a prospective employer asked what I did for SM (gross income was only $1285) then I would just tell them I did freelance online marketing for the company. I have a background in marketing and HTML from high school jobs so it's not a far fetch, I'd say I received compensation for referrals but that I quit doing it after 3 months because it didn't pay well.
Streamate has since closed my account and because of privacy agreements SM and I had in my original contact IF my prospective employer contacted SM to verify this information they would not be at liberty to release the details of our landlord/tenant relationship.
A lot of the time though, if they pull your background check (you must authorize them to via signing a waiver, but if you don't they won't hire you), you are authorizing them to investigate anything they see on it. If they google "Streamates" Streamate.com will come up and they will see its a sex site. It doesn't matter what you do in sexwork or how you're involved (you could be a XXX film editor, a marketer, etc etc), but the fact that you were in some way involved in sexwork will violate their anti-pornography clause. So in that case, they would probably just tell you they went ahead with another candidate and not give you reasons why. It all just depends on the fine print in any company you apply to. Many have anti-pornographic clauses and how deep of a background check that company pulls. Its a gamble.
pushit69
03-09-2012, 04:53 PM
I have a quick question I hope someone can answer or give me insight! I'm highly considering getting into sonography which according to bureau of labor statistics "No States require licensure in diagnostic medical sonography. However, sonographers may become credentialed by one of the professional certifying bodies"
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos273.htm
Does anyone know if background checks are issued for this?? I'm assuming not since no license is involved just registration w/ the state . I only cammed for a couple of years and am PRAYING it hasn't screwed me over because this is something I really want to pursue. helpppppp
Laurisa
03-09-2012, 05:37 PM
Background checks are usually done with all pre-employment screenings. So it won't matter if the people giving you a license or certificate do, someone will eventually. Hopefully they can't find any tax information that would link you to camming. I think people are getting more worked up over this than they should.
If you were LICENSED as an exotic dancer, prostitute in a legal brothel, licensed as a porn star in California, were arrested for prostituting yourself, were arrested during a club raid, then your employer will know about this before you get hired.
Being an independent contractor blurs the line, it will be more difficult for them to find out about this if you were not licensed to do the work, you do not list it on your resume, and you did not experience legal trouble because of it. They can't just get an exact list of all the places you ever worked for, and remember employee v. independent contractor is DIFFERENT. As an independent contractor you worked for yourself, so they can verify the nature of the business with you--no one else. And camming companies aren't going to divulge that you were a camgirl to a potential employer calling them asking "what did Sally Jane do for you from April 2008 to May 2010?"--that's a liability/privacy issue.
On your credit report it will list previous employers, I know how this information is gathered because I called all three credit bureaus and had them remove the strip club name that was listed on there. The information is gathered from what you write down for employer during a credit application. I started writing "Art Theater" after I had the strip club name deleted off all 3 of my reports--and 6 months later it said "Art Theater" under previous employers. You can call the credit bureau and tell them that it was inaccurately put on there and ask them to remove it, they won't question you. People have their identities stolen all the time so it is not unheard of for false information to get on there.
All in all I do not find myself worrying compulsively about my pre-employment screening detecting webcamming because of one little 1099 form that went directly to the IRS and then a 1040. If it shows up on my credit report then I will have it deleted, aside from that employers do not have access to your tax records, therefore they are not able to find an 'official' list of employers in your past.
GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 05:42 PM
If you were LICENSED as an exotic dancer, prostitute in a legal brothel, licensed as a porn star in California, were arrested for prostituting yourself, were arrested during a club raid, then your employer will know about this before you get hired.
None of those require licenses though. Dancing requires a general business license, but you don't have to state the business, or you can list it as your LLC. You could even say you're a hair stylist. Porn stars also require no license. The only reason pornstars got outed in Porn Wikileaks is because the AIM database (a healthcare company) was hacked and everyone's medical testing (STD) records were illegally released. However, AIM is no longer in business so you can get your testing done where ever you'd like, I believe.
The problem with camming (and dancing in areas that disburse 1099s) is that it is on your record and comes up as "potential employer" on in-depth background checks. Its not on your credit report (well I guess it could also be), its on a background check. You can't remove it as the information is coming from the 1099 that was already given to you & to the IRS connecting your name/SSN/EIN to the company who disbursed the 1099. The only way to get out of that one is to work for a cam company that does not disburse 1099s, but as you have seen lately, its only a matter of time until all cam companies will be forced by the IRS to disburse them in order to prevent money laundering & the like.
TracyBlade
03-09-2012, 05:46 PM
I don't get it.
When I called the IRS they said my job title from my 1040 wouldn't be revealed in a background check, also, I was never licensed to be a stripper or cam girl so I don't know how an employer could find out I ever worked for Streamate from a normal background check?
Can someone explain this to me?
They WOULDN'T!!! UNLESS you are applying for a security clearance which you do NOT need for nursing or most other jobs they WON'T know unless YOU tell them or someone sees you and if someone sees you well guess what they were looking a porn site biiiig whoop.
Laurisa
03-09-2012, 05:47 PM
ESR is one of the largest pre-employment screening companies available. They do everything, criminal, past employment, comprehensive background, etc
They state directly on their website:
"REASON YOU NEED THIS INFORMATION
This information confirms your applicant's resume; verifies his/her job history; helps eliminate any unexplained gaps in employment which ensures that appropriate jurisdictions have been checked for criminal records; and helps an employer demonstrate "due diligence" in their hiring practices.
LIMITATIONS/NOTES ON USING THIS INFORMATION
Employers are often hesitant to give recommendations and may limit prior employment checks to the basic information. However, just verifying the facts on the application can be very valuable. This service can be limited if not allowed to contact current employer, if past employer is out of business or cannot be located, or if employee was working through an agency. There can be third party fees associated with employment verification, such as fees imposed by 900 services. ESR first goes though a procedure to establish that the past employer is legitimate and independently establishes a phone number from the number the applicant provides in order to provide due diligence protection. ESR then uses an approach of making three (3) solid attempts to the party that has been identified as the correct party, and will supplement those attempts with faxes and email as available. A 'solid attempt' may be any of the following: 1) following up on a release sent to a Verifying Party; 2) speaking with or leaving a message with a Verifying Party; 3) a Verifying Party asking ESR to call back at another date/time, and; 4) obtaining a Verification of Employment (VOE) but waiting for a reference (Supervisor Interview). There are times when a past employer just will not call back, or the past employer has moved, merged or gone out of businesses. ESR summarizes all attempts in a call history log showing who was called , when and the results of each call. Results can also be delayed if an employer request that a release be sent. There are some employers that outsource their data to third party sources, and ESR will contact those services as appropriate. Those services typically charge an additional fee. An employer should NEVER submit a current employer for verification. All employers entered into the ESR system will be contacted. If a current employer should not be contacted, that current employer should not be entered into the order system."
Streamate doesn't even have a contact number that they could attempt to verify an employee's/contractor's previous work history, nor would they give that information out.
The only way they could see who you worked for is off your credit report or resume. They cannot view your W2s, 1099s or tax returns, so they would never know xxxcamsite sent you a 1099.
The only way they can get a copy of your 1040 is if you sign form 4506, which gives them a copy of the transcript. This would be highly unlikely for an 18-24-year-old who was fresh out of college in that verifying "employment gaps" makes no sense for a recently graduated full time student.
http://www.esrcheck.com/services/Employment-Verification.php
Laurisa
03-09-2012, 05:55 PM
The only real way an employer could find out if you worked for xxxwebcam company is if the background check company looked at your social security earnings which would require additional consent from you. There is a $15 fee and it must be done via mail. You must tell the SSA that they can release these records to them. There is always a paper trail but it is highly unlikely they would go through the extent of trouble necessary to get this information, also, all of the pre-employment verification companies I have looked through do NOT search this information.
http://www.ssa.gov/online/ssa-7050.pdf
These background check companies check public records, pay-to-access databases, and make cold calls to references and previous employers that are revealed to them through references or licensing checks. They do not hunt through your social security earnings via regular mail to find out. The real purpose of a social security earnings statement is to document your earnings throughout your lifetime, not reveal past employers. So no employer would request that you allow them to see exactly how much money you've made in your life time unless the job had a security clearance, was government related, or perhaps financial.
GlamourRouge
03-09-2012, 05:56 PM
Streamate doesn't even have a contact number that they could attempt to verify an employee's/contractor's previous work history, nor would they give that information out.
The only way they could see who you worked for is off your credit report or resume. They cannot view your W2s, 1099s or tax returns, so they would never know xxxcamsite sent you a 1099.
First, all they need is google. I'm sure they google every potential employee before hire, so why would they not google potentially suspicious "potential employers" that show up on a background check? Streamate.com is the first thing that comes up. "Streamate - Live Sex Web Cam Video Chat - Free Memberships" Then their performer agreement. Then their code of conduct. Its really, really obvious. And if your potential new employer is a man, he probably knows what "Streamates" is just by looking at it.
It comes up on a background check (in-depth). Pull it 1 year (it takes awhile to be updated) or so after you have received a 1099 from a company that you have attached to your taxes and it will be there. It will be listed under potential employer. Like I said, they make you sign a waiver saying they can run a background & credit check. Read the fine print. It also authorizes them to look into anything they may find on the background check. And if you don't sign it, they don't run the background check, think you're hiding something, and don't hire you.
I mean, idk people can disagree with me, but I'm talking from PERSONAL experience. Everyone seems to think they are the exception to rules these days. Seriously guys, theres a reason why sexwork pays so much. It limits your future. You can't have your cake and eat it to. You can try, but is it really worth the constant paranoia/fear of being found out, and then the consequences that come with being outed and having your real name and stage name all in the news? Its playing russian roulette. Some win, but many lose.
Just don't pick a career that has an anti-pornography clause, where you work with children/teens, where you have to set a good example (think politics), or one that requires high security clearance and you'll be fine. But trying to pull one over on such companies is usually a big disaster.
Laurisa
03-09-2012, 06:02 PM
So explain to me how they get a list of potential employers other than the ways I've listed? The IRS does not report your tax information to databases for employment screeners to access. How would they know about a potential employer aside from your credit report, arrest records, licenses or certifications, or information listed on your resume? What part of a comprehensive background check would that show up on?
There is no part of a comprehensive background check that allows them to directly contact the IRS to get your tax information and the IRS does not share the information with databases. The only ways they could get the information is if you give the SSA written consent (which is another form, it is not included in a background check) or form 4506 to the IRS (which you must sign, it is not included in a background check). The only exception would be if the background check contract also said "you authorize us to pull additional information from the IRS and social security administration" AND you signed the applicable forms.
Simply authorizing a background check does not give someone access to your 1040 or social security earnings statement.
So how else could a pre-employment screening service get this information? I am really curious. When a company runs a background check on you they check multiple databases for various things (DMV, criminal record, etc) and then compile a report on a fancy piece of paper for the potential employer. They don't just type your name in a computer and get everything about you like the CIA. They have to search specific places.
Think of all the teachers who are being outed as porn stars several years into their career, police officers too. How did this happen? Someone saw the video posted online. They were hired and spent time working before they were caught by a bad stroke of luck. These aren't people who have been cops and teachers for 20+ years either, these are younger people hired within the last 3-4 years who were outed by students or people in their department...NOT an employment screening.
pushit69
03-09-2012, 06:03 PM
thanks for the input! I feel screwed :(