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Sam38g
03-20-2012, 11:53 AM
Well, If you read xbiz.com or avn.com you would have seen where Manwin no longer sends its cam traffic to SM but to Naked now.
I am sure xpeeps, whose owners are AEBN the largest adult company in the world now has it's own cam site up & running so one would think instead of its SM feed it used to have on it.
So those are to major traffic providers lost to SM.
I still have many wonderful custies on there & lately had guys who have never taken me prvt doing so.
Negativity leads to bad sales. Positive thoughts lead to sales. In the end what you manifest is what happens.
This site should NOT be your only source of information, what goes on in the adult industry does affect you.
Plus, if you had been smart & marketing your link through SM & bring in your own traffic & new regulars you would not be complaining now. It is always a hustle.
Smooches,
Sam
shywebcamgirl
03-20-2012, 12:00 PM
this thread is depressing as hell. why is anyone bumping it?
thoughts are things, people. change your thoughts, change your life.
If you can teach me how to change my thinking enough that I won't currently have strep throat than I'd be all over that like honey on a hot biscuit.
There are some things that all the positive thinking in the world ain't going change.
~Carmen~
03-20-2012, 12:04 PM
Shy, I'm sorry you're sick. I know it's frustrating when you can't work because you don't feel good. Take it easy, rest and feel better okay?:sleep:
amanda36c
03-20-2012, 12:32 PM
Hey there Sam,
I read xbiz but not every article, every day all the time, never miss a beat. lol I do have a life and other things to do with it.
Where did you get the idea that Manwin is sending traffic to Streamate? lol Manwin never sent its traffic to SM! They just bought Webcams. If anything, they would point it there.
Streamate's traffic has been declining for some time now. I'm understanding why some see guests in the hundreds in their rooms, while others, by the handfuls. It's where they're listed in the whitelabels and other sites promoting them. Name the Manwin sites you claim drive traffic to Streamate. I'll check into this and if I'm wrong, I'll walk away with my tail between my legs. ;)
And bring my own traffic --- for 35%? No thanks. I am not an idiot.
P.S. "If you were smart" .... I am smart, sweetie.
loveshooks
03-20-2012, 12:48 PM
^^^doesn't Manwin own pornhub? If you click on 'live sex' on that site you're led directly to sm. Also, I think what Sam was suggesting was that if guys sign up through your own link, you make 75%, not 35%
Regarding your post though...honestly, getting frustrated can lead to even worse $$$$ if one let's it show. You've written alot about how you're being stalked, and I can't imagine how stressful that must be, but complaining in ones chat room is a HUGE damper on spending and makes guys think that you're not in demand. It's also paradise for drama-lamas and freeloaders, the kind of traffic NO ONE wants. I'm sincerely sorry for what you've had to go through, but if you can't make it stop, you gotta find a way to cope with it.
I've seen you on sm when I log in to do my shows so your profile is there. If I were you I'd devote 100% of my focus towards finding strategies to increase the positivity in my own room, and keep the paying traffic there.
I'm sincerely not trying to attack you, I'm just being 100% honest. After one of the last threads I checked out your room, and I saw things that would be guaranteed NOT to make me money if I did them. Everyone is different, of course, but since you wrote this thread, what you're doing obviously isn't working for you either.
I consider critical self-analysis to be an essential element of success in this job. It's not a sign of failure or being 'obsolete'. I know you've made a career out of camming so you obviously have what it takes. When something stops working, however, change it. To do otherwise is a recipe for frustration and low earnings
Sincere peace and $$$$$$
SarahTime
03-20-2012, 01:07 PM
She said Manwin NO LONGER sends traffic to SM. So to explain where she gets the idea that Manwin sends traffic to SM would be pointless, because she said they do not.
I'm beginning to wonder if you ever actually read what people say because your replies are always so off the wall.
Holly_xoxo
03-20-2012, 01:12 PM
The girls I've seen with 100+ in their rooms do alot of self promotion..I have a few of them on my twitter and they're extremely interactive with their followers and have fun upbeat personalities that make the guys want to be in their room. I'm sure alot of the guys come in more to talk and for the entertainment then they do to pay but that where the big numbers come from.
Hell even I love going into those girls rooms..lol
amanda36c
03-20-2012, 03:49 PM
Wow Sarah, are you in perpetual PMS mode? You're always so quick to jump down my throat. So I forgot my tenses and used presence rather than past. You really should stop picking. You're acting like an old hag with nothing better to do with her time. Just ignore my posts then. What a concept, eh? ;)
amanda36c
03-20-2012, 03:53 PM
Who really runs these forums? Gotta wonder. Aw fuck it. You can explain something over and over but you can't force people to understand. lol When the shit hits the fan, you'll be surprised (it's always the case) but I won;t be.
SarahTime
03-20-2012, 04:45 PM
Wow Sarah, are you in perpetual PMS mode? You're always so quick to jump down my throat. So I forgot my tenses and used presence rather than past. You really should stop picking. You're acting like an old hag with nothing better to do with her time. Just ignore my posts then. What a concept, eh? ;)
Actually I'm pretty sure anyone could go back and re-read the last time you were bitching about having no one in your room, and quite clearly see that YOU were the one jumping down MY throat.
I'm an old hag? This is coming from the woman sitting in sweat pants pulled up past her belly button and sports socks on while wearing lingerie and complaining about having no one in her room, while going off on unsuspecting people who actually do enter. Give me a break Amanda. YOU are the problem with YOUR traffic. Watching you on cam, and reading what you have to say on here, is like a train wreck.
And we already know who runs these forums. Not everything is a damn conspiracy.
Holly_xoxo
03-20-2012, 05:00 PM
Maybe it's that angry attitude that is causing the lack of traffic and the MIA regulars....men aren't going to spend money on someone who has a chip on their shoulder. If there are all these negatives to the job and if it is stressing you out that much then maybe it's time to look for another line of work.
Sometimes change is good
I'm a little ashamed of this... but, honestly, Amanda, I sometimes load your room in guest if I get bored. Its sometimes kind of funny seeing how easy it is for guys to ruin your night on there (I'm sorry :(. I'm a horrible person). I think this is your #1 issue with nonpaying traffic. It also tends to rile up all the trolls.
You really need to just block the trolls and not let them get you so noticeably upset *constantly.
Oh! and I'd highly recommend not commenting on slowness etc. on cam. I know when I do it, it only hurts my motivation and lessens my chances of being taken as guys want girls that are in-demand.
OJenni!
03-20-2012, 05:54 PM
The girls I've seen with 100+ in their rooms do alot of self promotion..I have a few of them on my twitter and they're extremely interactive with their followers and have fun upbeat personalities that make the guys want to be in their room. I'm sure alot of the guys come in more to talk and for the entertainment then they do to pay but that where the big numbers come from.
Hell even I love going into those girls rooms..lol
Not all of them. There are even a handful that are not on twitter (as far as I am aware of).
GlamourRouge
03-20-2012, 06:10 PM
Well, If you read xbiz.com or avn.com you would have seen where Manwin no longer sends its cam traffic to SM but to Naked now.
I am sure xpeeps, whose owners are AEBN the largest adult company in the world now has it's own cam site up & running so one would think instead of its SM feed it used to have on it.
So those are to major traffic providers lost to SM.
I still have many wonderful custies on there & lately had guys who have never taken me prvt doing so.
Negativity leads to bad sales. Positive thoughts lead to sales. In the end what you manifest is what happens.
This site should NOT be your only source of information, what goes on in the adult industry does affect you.
Plus, if you had been smart & marketing your link through SM & bring in your own traffic & new regulars you would not be complaining now. It is always a hustle.
Smooches,
Sam
That actually makes a lot of sense. I knew something happened in January regarding their traffic. I haven't been on much sense. Their traffic had a sudden dip that everyone noticed, and the new traffic was just... different.
LAChloe
03-20-2012, 06:12 PM
Who really runs these forums? Gotta wonder. Aw fuck it. You can explain something over and over but you can't force people to understand. lol When the shit hits the fan, you'll be surprised (it's always the case) but I won;t be.
The only time you ever post on here is to either bitch about your traffic or your "stalker". You ask for advice but never give any back. Than you have the audacity to bully a member here who is very well respected.
I've never seen your room but if your attitude on cam is anything like it is on SW, I'm surprised if you make any money.
Get it together, princess.
Incantatious
03-20-2012, 06:22 PM
I don't understand where the anger comes from, but sure as hell won't get you any closer to what you're looking for here.
As with any other form of work: You put effort in, and it'll pay off.
HaydenBlue
03-20-2012, 06:37 PM
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shywebcamgirl
03-20-2012, 06:50 PM
Shy, I'm sorry you're sick. I know it's frustrating when you can't work because you don't feel good. Take it easy, rest and feel better okay?:sleep:
Awe, thanks Carmen! I promise I will be stronger, faster and harder by the weeks' end. ;D
Charlotteslut
03-20-2012, 06:54 PM
Debby downer time:
It's possible to do everything right and just not make that much on cam, however. Not everyone can be a top earner. Most girls aren't. All you can do is try to do everything right, and part of that is to have an upbeat attitude or to avoid being overtly pissed off.
Your money will likely increase. But it may not ever get as high as you'd like, or are used to.
OJenni!
03-20-2012, 06:59 PM
Who really runs these forums? Gotta wonder. Aw fuck it. You can explain something over and over but you can't force people to understand. lol When the shit hits the fan, you'll be surprised (it's always the case) but I won;t be.
This forum was started 10+ years ago by a few strippers and their supporters. Its still owned by some of the same people I believe. Camming connection was essentially created because there was a surplus of threads in the "other work" section. Other work was overwhelmed with threads about camming, so they created this section. Camming was not a huge discussion on this board in general until about 2-3 years ago.
As for SM traffic, I totally understand where you are coming from. Its been really up and down for me. Some times only 2 people in my room and other times 40+. I am used to a steady 10-20 at any given time. I am getting sick of the freeloaders. Frankly I pray for the day SM decides to get rid of the gold show feature. Although I don't think it will ever happen.
I don't think it has anything to do with you, as it is SM customers being taught to be cheap by the gold show feature.
When Sam was talking about marketing, I think she was referring to the 75% you earn through referring customers via your cammodels link.
OJenni!
03-20-2012, 07:13 PM
I've noticed for some time now, my Streamate traffic has been dipping. Actually, lately, it has pretty much tanked. I used to see a steady flow of around 40 members in my room. This was pretty consistent throughout the first year. I've bit my lip about harrassment, which took place daily in my room, but then after about a year, I couldn't take it any more. I had already filed a few complaints, but to no avail. They never followed up with me on what was being done about it (if anything); only claimed to 'look into it' ... and that was it.
Model support at SM is pretty much a joke. I have several banned men that keep coming back under different names. I know who they are. I used to escort in Toronto so these particular men know me from back then (although they never saw me as an escort, they just knew of me as one from my advertising and my postings on escort forums). They find me camming online and perpetually harass me. I have asked SM to ban their hardware addresses, but all I get back in response is a canned reply.
As for not customers not seeing you online, yeah that is weird. BUT it has happened to me too. I think that has more to do with glitches on the site then it does with any vendetta SM may have against you. I inquired about turning one of my sites into a whitelabel for SM and from the information I gathered placement of the girls is based solely on an algorithm and not one person has the ability to change that (unless the programmers with permission of the owners decide to change the algorithm).
amanda36c
03-21-2012, 01:27 AM
Thanks for the info OJenni!
Yep, I agree that they should get rid of Gold shows and go back to making real money with private shows. I see girls with 100+ members in their rooms and still, they are cancelling shows. Surely this takes its toll on the members, never knowing whether or not the show will happen. I've had many a frustrated member tell me that they hate the Gold shows. I think, for the most part, members accept the Gold shows when fallen under hard economic times, as a luxury (and necessity) they can afford. Girls tolerate it because they gain volume from it. But does anyone really like it? Adrenaline junkies, perhaps. It was fun for me at first, when I had the traffic and they were paying, but the concept never really appealed to me. It is too impersonal for the members to all enjoy and that bothered me. I always insist on top-notch service and deliver just that in all of my shows. The whole idea behind live video (as opposed to replays, VOD's, DVDs, hell even Playboy magazine's spreads) is the interaction you get from the one on one. The member getting his requests fulfilled. Gold shows, for the most part, kill that. Just my mere little opinion. I'm sure someone has a differing opinion and perhaps they can argue this logically, not wildly or condescendingly. ;)
For those who hang out in my room and then come in here with all the answers to why my traffic is so slow; Listen, I am well aware of where I'm posting my rants (here and on Twitter) and yes, sometimes I even *gasp* do it in my room. The negative vibe is always short-lived in my room though because as soon as I notice it myself (it's easy for me to envision how the members see it because I start to feel it myself), from that point on, I adjust what I can to make the environment more friendly and fun. Someone up there mentioned seeing me in sweatpants. Yes, when aunt Flo is in town, I get 'comfy' for work, since I can't show anything below the belt. Why that is your business is beyond my comprehension, but anyway. Let's move along, shall we?
I didn't just come in here bitching and moaning about traffic. I had a legitimate concern about the whitelabels and how they work at evenly and fairly distributing traffic to the girls. I understand it works with an algorhythm but then why are members saying they haven'e seen me on in a long time, when I'm on just about every night, same time? This has been happening for months now. I'm not convinced it is a glitch, which just happened to occur at the same time that my traffic tanked. I don't believe my listing is on as many sites, whitelabels, etc, as it used to be. I think this because of what the members are saying.
cvarga
03-21-2012, 04:01 AM
Actually I'm pretty sure anyone could go back and re-read the last time you were bitching about having no one in your room, and quite clearly see that YOU were the one jumping down MY throat.
I'm an old hag? This is coming from the woman sitting in sweat pants pulled up past her belly button and sports socks on while wearing lingerie and complaining about having no one in her room, while going off on unsuspecting people who actually do enter. Give me a break Amanda. YOU are the problem with YOUR traffic. Watching you on cam, and reading what you have to say on here, is like a train wreck.
And we already know who runs these forums. Not everything is a damn conspiracy.
Hopping out of lurker status (hai guys!) to say that I have been watching this downward spiral for a couple of months and it doesn't do you or Amanda any good to bother responding to her anymore. If you read Amanda's blog you'll see the reasons behind her drop in traffic. When you read her posts you'll see the reasons behind her drop in traffic. When you visit her chat room you will see the reasons behind her drop in traffic. It has nothing to do with streamate or affiliate webmasters' plots to halt traffic or even a "stalker".
One of my highest dollar viewers was in her chat room while I was not online. He was accused by Amanda of being a stalker because his favorite hockey team was not the same as Amanda's. She BANNED a guy who will not hesitate to drop $300 to $400 in exclusive chat. Apparently she was on a rampage, banning everyone with the belief they were harrassing her. About 2 weeks later I was having an extremely busy night and was in the middle of a show when all of a sudden my desktop literally blew up with IM's from different cam girls who were watching Amanda swearing at everyone and screaming at the top of her lungs. It was annoying for me to have my feedback video and chat browser blocked but I have to admit to laughing about it because who else could create such a stir? So anyway. I put my stream on pause and logged into Amanda's chat room to see what all the ruckus was about and sure enough there she was in full trainwreck force!~ I clicked the eyeball so no one could see what I was saying and asked if her if she was ok, maybe she needed a break. I told her this is a very busy night and what she is doing on cam is hindering her. BANNED. Yep, I tried to help her and got banned from her chat room.
What we are witnessing here is the progression of something that no amount of traffic talk will rectify. It's only going to get worse from here. It's unfortunate that Miss Amanda can't see it and I wish someone close to her would do something because this is painful to watch.
Just ignore her posts.
roast
03-21-2012, 04:05 AM
^Wow. What an epic mindnumbingly detailed story. No wonder she thinks she has stalkers.
camgirl drama is so tedious, oh my god.
shywebcamgirl
03-21-2012, 06:06 AM
Positive attitude = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Negative attitude (people can sense the vibe you give off) = $0
The end.
Actually for me it is:
Just show up and say very little - $$$$
Don't turn on my cam -$0
I have found that it doesn't matter if I am positive, negative or pretending to be a firetruck. As long as I show up and say very little I will make money. YMMV.
Ms.Lacey
03-21-2012, 08:29 AM
This is an attack (personal) and very unnecessary
Plus it seems like way to many people are spending way to much time in her room to pm you about her (again seems personal)
can't tell people to ignore a post when you create an account to post on her thread
anyway im not siding because i believe this is a rant thread and i hate rant threads but had to say something
Hopping out of lurker status (hai guys!) to say that I have been watching this downward spiral for a couple of months and it doesn't do you or Amanda any good to bother responding to her anymore. If you read Amanda's blog you'll see the reasons behind her drop in traffic. When you read her posts you'll see the reasons behind her drop in traffic. When you visit her chat room you will see the reasons behind her drop in traffic. It has nothing to do with streamate or affiliate webmasters' plots to halt traffic or even a "stalker".
One of my highest dollar viewers was in her chat room while I was not online. He was accused by Amanda of being a stalker because his favorite hockey team was not the same as Amanda's. She BANNED a guy who will not hesitate to drop $300 to $400 in exclusive chat. Apparently she was on a rampage, banning everyone with the belief they were harrassing her. About 2 weeks later I was having an extremely busy night and was in the middle of a show when all of a sudden my desktop literally blew up with IM's from different cam girls who were watching Amanda swearing at everyone and screaming at the top of her lungs. It was annoying for me to have my feedback video and chat browser blocked but I have to admit to laughing about it because who else could create such a stir? So anyway. I put my stream on pause and logged into Amanda's chat room to see what all the ruckus was about and sure enough there she was in full trainwreck force!~ I clicked the eyeball so no one could see what I was saying and asked if her if she was ok, maybe she needed a break. I told her this is a very busy night and what she is doing on cam is hindering her. BANNED. Yep, I tried to help her and got banned from her chat room.
What we are witnessing here is the progression of something that no amount of traffic talk will rectify. It's only going to get worse from here. It's unfortunate that Miss Amanda can't see it and I wish someone close to her would do something because this is painful to watch.
Just ignore her posts.
Fridays
03-21-2012, 08:44 AM
I clicked the eyeball so no one could see what I was saying and asked if her if she was ok, maybe she needed a break. I told her this is a very busy night and what she is doing on cam is hindering her. BANNED. Yep, I tried to help her and got banned from her chat room.
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I would put u and ANYONE on BAN if you/they gave me unsolicited advice.
I mean really...its her room! And who are you to say how she should run it.
Last time I checked the contract it said.....we can do whatever we want in OUR rooms.
mind your own business ok?
Remember Agent from MFC?
She;s do and say shit and would bank.
GlamourRouge
03-21-2012, 09:25 AM
Remember Agent from MFC?
She;s do and say shit and would bank.
OT, but she was my fucking favorite. She knew how to run a business. She knew entertainment. She's like, the gold standard of all cam rooms.
Decalyn
03-21-2012, 09:26 AM
this thread is depressing as hell. why is anyone bumping it?
thoughts are things, people. change your thoughts, change your life.
The thread is being bumped because it's ever-so-slightly reducing the daily "OMG SLOOOOW" etc threads.
Would you rather have one thread of people bitching, or 3 new ones every day?
amanda36c
03-21-2012, 10:37 AM
Wow, amazing that there still exist people who believe everything every anonymous poster *coming out of the closet just to post this ONE time* (yeah right!) has to say! LOL
Always consider the source.
Read my posts. I like to keep it to business. Someone here has a major problem with me and that's their problem, not mine. And yes, hang out in my room all night if you like. You may learn a thing or two. Then again, maybe you won't. If you have to look to what others are doing to make money yourself, then why don't you just go buy a book on camming? I can write it for you. Would you like that?
Seriously, I'm out of this drama. There is no doubt that this is personal, but not on my part. I don;t even know who I'm dealing with. Come to think of it, even if I did, I'm no stalker, harrasser. I leave people to their business and let them work. Yep, go read my blog. Please do .. and then put 2 + 2 together. I back up everything I say.
TheBrownFox
03-21-2012, 10:41 AM
I would put u and ANYONE on BAN if you/they gave me unsolicited advice.
I mean really...its her room! And who are you to say how she should run it.
Last time I checked we can do whatever we want in OUR rooms.
I can't stand people trying to give me unsolicited advice in my public chat in front of everyone. It's tacky as fuck. And usually when GUYS do it, they're giving advice that is only beneficial to themselves ("Maybe if you just get naked, you'll get more tips." Fuck off.....).
Some old fucker was in my room last night telling me I need to do my profile like _____ (he mentioned some other model, which is a NONO).
laurielegs
03-21-2012, 10:48 AM
Being listed on Streamate's main page means nothing because the majority of their traffic is actually coming from other sources, whitelabels, etc. Not Streamate's site. I wonder if anyone knows what the biggest players are when it comes to SM traffic. Which sites do I need to check my listing on, that are driving the most traffic to SM?
This is something I've suspected too. Seems some rooms are full and some get almost none and even though I'm way high on the front page, some days I'm slamming and some days I barely have any in my room, with the same pics, same connection, so it does seem to me they are sending traffic from somewhere outside the site, so that my own placement doesn't matter that much.
Now, if we could just figure out where that traffic is coming from!
TheBrownFox
03-21-2012, 10:48 AM
OT, but she was my fucking favorite. She knew how to run a business. She knew entertainment. She's like, the gold standard of all cam rooms.
I agree! I've become friends with her and visit her on cam sometimes. She is THE reason I went premium on MFC, and despite what people have said about her, she is a sweetheart. Even the people who hated on her found that they couldn't pull themselves away from her room. They'd be on there talking shit, yet they'd remain in the room for several minutes anyway.....
TheBrownFox
03-21-2012, 11:08 AM
The thread is being bumped because it's ever-so-slightly reducing the daily "OMG SLOOOOW" etc threads.
Would you rather have one thread of people bitching, or 3 new ones every day?
I'd rather have one thread of people complaining than three new ones everyday. :P
And I'm getting tired of looking for my favorite threads (The C4S thread, The AW thread, etc.) to find that they've been knocked off the first few pages by a bunch of new "It's sooo slooowww!!!!!" threads. There seems to be tons of new SM threads lately.
amanda36c
03-21-2012, 12:53 PM
Hey girls!
One more post to this thread and then I'll leave it to the hijacker to take over and butcher what otherwise could have been a thread about one particular (common) business concern.
I welcome anyone that wants to come visit my room (in guest mode, to see what everyone else is saying) and see for yourself how I handle MY room. Not because I feel I have to defend myself. I have absolutely no reason to have to answer to anyone. There just seems to be so much bullshit going on these days, there really is only one way to set the record straight. Girls, I'm on just about every night after midnight right up until about 2 or 3 am, sometimes even later. The *only* time I block is when people are rude. Contrary to what someone will have you believe, I love talking hockey with members and have never blocked anyone for being a Bruins fan (my team's historical arch-rival). I block insulting, rude assholes. Period. Or guys that consistently ask for freebies, even long after I've told them they're not getting any. Persistant annoyances never pony up for a show. They're simply not worth the hassle.
Come one, come all! I have nothing to hide. You know my handle. You know I work on Streamate. Here I am. What you see is what you get.
Seriously, come on by. I'd love the company when it's slow. Maybe we can hold business meetings there too on scheduled days! lol
I'm heading off to enjoy the beautiful spring day that awaits me outside! Have a great day everyone!
OJenni!
03-21-2012, 03:32 PM
Thanks for the info OJenni!
Yep, I agree that they should get rid of Gold shows and go back to making real money with private shows. I see girls with 100+ members in their rooms and still, they are cancelling shows. Surely this takes its toll on the members, never knowing whether or not the show will happen. I've had many a frustrated member tell me that they hate the Gold shows. I think, for the most part, members accept the Gold shows when fallen under hard economic times, as a luxury (and necessity) they can afford. Girls tolerate it because they gain volume from it. But does anyone really like it? Adrenaline junkies, perhaps. It was fun for me at first, when I had the traffic and they were paying, but the concept never really appealed to me. It is too impersonal for the members to all enjoy and that bothered me. I always insist on top-notch service and deliver just that in all of my shows. The whole idea behind live video (as opposed to replays, VOD's, DVDs, hell even Playboy magazine's spreads) is the interaction you get from the one on one. The member getting his requests fulfilled. Gold shows, for the most part, kill that. Just my mere little opinion. I'm sure someone has a differing opinion and perhaps they can argue this logically, not wildly or condescendingly. ;)
I agree with you there. I also think the feature has driven away good paying customers. When I was doing gold shows I noticed several of my customers with numbers 2, 3, 4 beside their name would not go in. Furthermore I believe that the feature did drive away some of my best customers. One example that comes to my mind is a guy who would spend 45 mins in exclusive, he was in my room one night and could not wait till the show countdown was over for me to see him. I was 1/2 way to goal so I was not going to cancel the show, but still had 5 minutes on the clock. He ended up leaving and that's the last time I saw him.
I too have noticed many of my customers with the coveted 2, 3, or 4 beside their name (I have yet to see a 5 show beside someone's name) have gone MIA. Again I am pretty sure this has nothing to do with placement on whitelabels and the algorithm, or SM having some type of "issue" with me or any other model, rather I think it is due to paying customers being driven away by other factors. Gold shows, membership fees, etc. Yes they do advertise "free membership", but I do know if a customer pays something like $30/month they can up their spending limits and have other features. Also the site has numerous problems even servicing their customers, which has nothing to do with us. What I am referring to is billing and answering customer questions. No they are not doing padding (ie adding a monthly charge on a free membership), but there are other things they do that are questionable.
I have a membership on the site because I do go into other girls rooms and tip them. I know if say I take a girl private they charge me like $3.99/min (or whatever the girl sets it at), but they also add a $3.99 "administrative charge". They do warn customers about that when they click "enter my private show" (it says in fine print below the rate "a one time charge of $___(insert additional minute rate here) will apply on top of the per minute rate"). I don't take anyone private, but I do tip in girls rooms because I think everyone's time is worth something even if they just talk to me for a minute or two.
OJenni!
03-21-2012, 03:41 PM
I will also add that I think it's a shame that some members of this forum feel the need to make snarky, rude comments in this thread. I do not think Amanda started this thread to whine or complain about traffic, but rather to discuss why traffic has been so odd lately. I too see what she is asking about and wonder some of the same things. And for the record I do drive traffic through my cammodels link and other ventures, so I know that's not the only thing. But one does have to wonder what is going on when girl in the #5 spot has 5 people in her room, yet a girl on the bottom of page 2 has 20+.
Although I do not think SM has it out for any particular model, in fact quite the opposite. I find contacting SM model support to be almost pointless because they are so impersonal and in my humble opinion they get an A+ for providing canned, non-detailed responses.
cvarga
03-21-2012, 04:17 PM
I wasn't giving unsolicited advice, I was asking her if she is OK because she appeared irate and the guys were having a ball watching her act out. I genuinely felt bad for her and I was trying to offer my support. But I will give it to you. You are right. It is none of my business and I should have just continued doing what I was doing. I meant well but will not make this mistake in judgement again, not just in the case of Amanda but for ANY cam girl. Lesson learned.
As for my post. When I think about it, yes, I can see how it may be misconstrued as personal. It is very factual and as I was posting I was sticking to the topic which is her complaints of no traffic. I am not only a model but also a paying custie. I have never been booted or banned from anyone's chat room until I met Amanda. It was a first impression and it was a last impression and I am glad I didn't tip her as planned. I wonder if other paying custies would agree? The way she treated me in my opinion is the same way she treats all of the other voyeurs that enter her room so IMHO it aint the traffic. She's turning them off. Period.
She asked a question. I gave an answer. An honest answer.
lolabunny
03-21-2012, 04:31 PM
Yikes lol....I don't even wanna know what's going on here....too much damn drama
space_cowgirl
03-21-2012, 05:47 PM
I just want to go on cam tonight and pretend to be a fire truck.
OJenni!
03-21-2012, 06:47 PM
I wasn't giving unsolicited advice, I was asking her if she is OK because she appeared irate and the guys were having a ball watching her act out. I genuinely felt bad for her and I was trying to offer my support. But I will give it to you. You are right. It is none of my business and I should have just continued doing what I was doing. I meant well but will not make this mistake in judgement again, not just in the case of Amanda but for ANY cam girl. Lesson learned.
As for my post. When I think about it, yes, I can see how it may be misconstrued as personal. It is very factual and as I was posting I was sticking to the topic which is her complaints of no traffic. I am not only a model but also a paying custie. I have never been booted or banned from anyone's chat room until I met Amanda. It was a first impression and it was a last impression and I am glad I didn't tip her as planned. I wonder if other paying custies would agree? The way she treated me in my opinion is the same way she treats all of the other voyeurs that enter her room so IMHO it aint the traffic. She's turning them off. Period.
She asked a question. I gave an answer. An honest answer.
If someone was giving me unsolicited advice I would ban them as well. I have and I will continue to ban for that. I don't care if they have it set so no one else can see their comment. Yeah there are some nights where you will come in to my room and hear me saying "WTF all you cheap asses? I have been here for 45 mins in free!" Then there are some nights where I will be going "back to back exclusives...you horny men are not giving me a break! I need to make it to the bathroom! No privates for the next 5 minutes please!" I share a lot with my customers. Some may think this is too much and perhaps it is, but it is my room and I will share what I feel comfortable with. Any unsolicited advice (unless in private or if the person tipped first) gets you banned in my room. As I say, "money talks, bullshit walks".
The fact that you all the sudden come out of the wood works to bash her is slightly suspect. I mean, why make your first post about some other models problems as you see them?
I have tipped Amanda before. I don't take anyone private (girls are not really my taste), but I do tip mainly for a bit of chit chat because I think everyone's time is worth something. I mentioned that I was a model and I think she misunderstood what my intentions were when I said that. I was not even working that week, but I do understand why she was thinking I was trying to scoop her traffic (although I wasn't trying to scoop traffic, that's not my style, my intentions were to let her know I am a girl on there too). I don't think her comments were way out of line, as I know some girls are ruthless and try scooping traffic. That said my honest intentions were to tell her I understand where she is coming from and not to scoop her traffic. I would definitely come in and tip her again.
SarahTime
03-21-2012, 07:02 PM
Okay so to get back on the topic of your original concern, lets just go with the idea that maybe you are not listed on some white labels anymore like you used to be. What do you think could be the reason for that, Amanda? I'm not trying to fight with you, as I really don't have any reason to do that, I'm just genuinely curious why you believe you would be removed from certain white labels. What would be the point in removing you?
I told you this before but I'll just say it again, I have yet to find a single white label site that I am NOT listed on. Black cams, asian cams, gay cams, tranny cams, etc. etc. I'm on all of them along with every other performer on SM. So why would they take JUST YOU off of some of the white labels, assuming that would even be possible, which I'm nearly certain it's not.
I get the impression based off of your postings on here and what I have seen in your chat room - in the very few times I have been in there, by the way - that you feel as though there is some conspiracy going on with "the powers that be" at streamate that are causing you to lose traffic. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is the impression you are giving off. So where does this "take all the traffic away from Amanda" conspiracy come from?
ManyRoses
03-21-2012, 07:03 PM
More seriously though - LOTS of drama....whew!
Honestly, I haven't seen the drop in traffic that people seem to be talking about, but I haven't been on for over a year, so I don't have a huge frame of reference. I've also spent that year working on my placement, moving up the ranks, so my personal traffic has been increasing! If it used to be better, then shit son, I'm sorry I missed it!
That said, I'm not sure what good it would do me to figure out why it was dropping - at least, not in terms of how traffic is being directed. I will just run my room however I feel happiest, take the advice that I can from other girls that works within that, and see if I can make the money I need. If so, yay! If not, well, I can supplement my earnings with passive income, or I can move to another site. If I figured out which site best represented traffic being sent my way, and found out my placement there, guess what? I wouldn't do anything different! I LIKE how I run my room. I'm sure that there are one or two things I could do differently, but a little extra money isn't worth making me less happy (like saying very little. I've tried it. I get SO BORED that I log off. I talk like a crazy person while online, and it keep me going!)
So - vaguely interesting thread, but I'm not sure how it is related to practical changes and improving income...shrug.
amanda36c
03-21-2012, 08:34 PM
You're back again, Sarah, to offer your help. How sweet of you. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me. It is so kind of you. I'm such a lucky gal to have your full support here. Thank you. You're a saint!
I'll need to find my sunglasses now. Your halo is just blinding me. ;)
Below is a copy & paste job of my original post, which, if you read it, you wouldn't feel the need to ask the questions you just did of me. Alas, here we go again, huh, Sarah? In blue below, your question. I even highlighted the part of my original post that answered that. Go ahead, take a look. Your question below, and my answer, below that.
You asked:
I'm not trying to fight with you, as I really don't have any reason to do that, I'm just genuinely curious why you believe you would be removed from certain white labels. What would be the point in removing you?
My reply (which can be found in my original post (if you even read it):
Going from upwards of 40 members to a handful at best, is a terrible decline and I know it isn't anything I'm doing wrong. I have been told by a few members (no provocation from me), that I haven't been on in a long time. I'm on every night, pretty much, same shift! So, from this, I gather I was once listed on the high-traffic sites but now am shitlisted. What other explanation for this? I'm also seeing less and less members with 2,3,4, next to their handles, indicating the spenders I once had. Gone! WTF???
You also wrote:
I told you this before but I'll just say it again, I have yet to find a single white label site that I am NOT listed on. Black cams, asian cams, gay cams, tranny cams, etc. etc.
Really? Have you checked all 800+ sites? You have time to do that when you're live? What are the sites' names? You only gave vague examples of categories listed on the menu of every sex site known to man (black cams, gay cams, asian cams, etc."? Come on Sarah. Post some URLs then. You do have some, don't you? Here are a few, to get you started: Redtubelive.com , freeonescams.com , hornymatcheslive.com , epiccams.com , dirtystage.com , xxxbook.com , cammodels.com , ypmate.com , icunude.com , live.tv , etc.
I'll be live soon Sarah, if you would like to stop by for a friendly hug! http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/images/themes/sw4/icons/goodvibes.gif
Fridays
03-21-2012, 09:11 PM
I wasn't giving unsolicited advice, I was asking her if she is OK because she appeared irate and the guys were having a ball watching her act out. I genuinely felt bad for her and I was trying to offer my support. .............................. I wonder if other paying custies would agree? The way she treated me in my opinion is the same way she treats all of the other voyeurs that enter her room so IMHO it aint the traffic. She's turning them off.
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I never been in Amanda's room. I dont even know her..so I am not defending Amanda in particular but ANY model in general whos working and seems frustrated because work is slow... and......
here comes another model who says she could tip if she wanted to ( just like any other customer.. who can do stuff if he wants to..)..
and asks" are you ok"
"... er... Im about to kill myself .. work is fucking slow, its driving me CRAZZYYY., OMG OMG.. but other than that Im ok, thanks for asking"
This is like putting fuel on the fire, no wonder you got bannned..
This is no different then people giving unsolicited advice, asking for freebies, being rude etc etc.
Anything that does NOT compliment the model/her work will most likely drive that model crazy.
Why didnt you tip $100 and THEN ask if shes ok.. Im sure u;d not have been banned after that and she;d have felt better.
And than this, registering JUST to bash her or even worse creating a new username just to bash her is unbelievable....
you assume " other clients" would think the same way you do? How narrow minded. I deff do not think that way and I was/can be a paying customer.
your post makes me think how many of those rude-fucks-know- it-all freeloaders where actually fellow camgirls trying to " help"
and to end this and drama style , why dont u tell everyone who u are, so we can all check you out and give personal opinions on you and the way you work your room. That would make this whole thing fair game.
Crustyz
03-21-2012, 10:11 PM
I'd rather have one thread of people complaining than three new ones everyday. :P
And I'm getting tired of looking for my favorite threads (The C4S thread, The AW thread, etc.) to find that they've been knocked off the first few pages by a bunch of new "It's sooo slooowww!!!!!" threads. There seems to be tons of new SM threads lately.
Yes, you said exactly what I was going to say. All the interesting threads are getting pushed away. Thank you Decalyn, for making this. :)
SarahTime
03-21-2012, 11:24 PM
You're back again, Sarah, to offer your help. How sweet of you. I really appreciate you taking the time to help me. It is so kind of you. I'm such a lucky gal to have your full support here. Thank you. You're a saint!
I'll need to find my sunglasses now. Your halo is just blinding me. ;)
Below is a copy & paste job of my original post, which, if you read it, you wouldn't feel the need to ask the questions you just did of me. Alas, here we go again, huh, Sarah? In blue below, your question. I even highlighted the part of my original post that answered that. Go ahead, take a look. Your question below, and my answer, below that.
You asked:
My reply (which can be found in my original post (if you even read it):
You also wrote:
Really? Have you checked all 800+ sites? You have time to do that when you're live? What are the sites' names? You only gave vague examples of categories listed on the menu of every sex site known to man (black cams, gay cams, asian cams, etc."? Come on Sarah. Post some URLs then. You do have some, don't you? Here are a few, to get you started: Redtubelive.com , freeonescams.com , hornymatcheslive.com , epiccams.com , dirtystage.com , xxxbook.com , cammodels.com , ypmate.com , icunude.com , live.tv , etc.
I'll be live soon Sarah, if you would like to stop by for a friendly hug! http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/images/themes/sw4/icons/goodvibes.gif
****edit. I'm just going to stay out of this from now on. I prefer to be the more logical person in this one. And there's no talking to you anyway, you have your conspiracy theories set in your mind, I don't really know why you even come here seeking answers to your questions... your mind is made up already. And you don't even comprehend what is being said to you anyway, so it pointless to try to address anything you say at this point.
I truly do wish you the best, I hope you can find some happiness in your life.
amanda36c
03-22-2012, 12:13 AM
Feel all better now Sarah? Was that a good release of anger? Do you feel any better about yourself, having insulted me like that? That is one hell of a story there girl.
Noone buy into that bullshit. Look at all the hatred behind her words (lies). That says it all.
I posted two complaints in this forum about Streamate traffic over the last 6 months. BOTH times, you were one of the first to jump in but rather than discuss the reasons or ask any questions, you chose to take the route where you jump right down my throat, this time slinging insults, trying to tell me how to run my room (as though you know better than I do what works in my romm and what doesn't). Those fabricated stories in your last post are atrocious. Those jabs seem really personal, yet completely full of shit at the same time. You could write for the tabloids. I'll bet you could make more with that than camming. The stories you fabricate and instances you exaggerate! Wow!
Hey Sarah, why don't you just ignore my posts and I will ignore yours? I think that is the best solution. Agreed? Or would you rather remain at this immature level, reducing yourself to the lowest and ugliest level of human disgrace possible? I don't know what is at the source of your anger but knock it off and get a life. Stop chasing me around, expecting me to answer you, as though I owe you something. You have a real fucking problem if you think I owe you a thing.
And again, thanks for your genuine well wishes ("cunt", right back atcha!). I have so much happiness in my life, I couldn't be happier. Take a deep glance inside yourself and find that inner peace Sarah. You will never rest easy until you do. And think about what I said about ignoring my posts. That's something you could have done from the getgo, but you couldn't control yourself, could you? It's too bad. Before you post something else showing your true colors, think hard about ignoring my posts. I made a peace offering here. You want war. I don't give a shit about what you want.
TracyBlade
03-22-2012, 12:18 AM
Everybody on this thread maaaadddd lulz y u mad? y u mad though really? lol
amanda36c
03-22-2012, 12:33 AM
* http://statinternet.com/en/streamate.com