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cat1989
02-20-2018, 02:57 AM
Thank you two so much for your words. <3 This forum and all of you are such a blessing...
Hm, he seemed kinda pissed off and hurt. Asking if I won't be there for him anymore and saying have a good life bla bla and bye. So I don't know if he's gonna come back. Maybe to see my empty room and be like haha, stupid girl that only wants money...
I'm really relieved to know I won't get any messages from a "boyfriend" I just want to get rid off anymore lol. I didn't mind a message from time to time saying he misses or loves me. But he totally lost it, if I didn't reply he kinda kept messaging until he fell asleep and always the same stuff. He loves me and wants to be with me. Wtf should I reply anyway if it's always the same. But yeah I won't let this happen again lol.
Do you girls do not message at all?
And yeah, more time now lol. But he was the one who kept the room going. Now it's gonna be dead haha... -.- And a pvt with him usually was like $300-400 but still, that massaging drove me crazy.
Kinda puts me off to offer text packages, is that what I have to expect? lol
ep2002
02-20-2018, 08:30 AM
Can someone please tell me everything will be ok and this one customer will not be the end of everything? I just lost my only customer that was left after a break of 5 months because I set my boundaries as he was clingy as fuck and spamming me on Twitter. I couldn't stand it anymore, I didn't even want to log on CB anymore because whenever I logged off he expected hour long good night conversations.
Maybe I should have just ignored it to see if he gets but instead I told him I can't message for hours for free with him. On CB he was always super generous but still... I couldn't do those messages anymore. Of course all his love for me faded away within a second. I kinda expected it but now I'm kinda like omg, how stupid are you... why did you not wait until you have a few more again instead of just him... why do those guys not get we are not really their girlfriends and it still a fucking job. I'm relieved he's gone but stressing out about money now, argh...
I know how it feels.
This is why I always tell models to charge for their TIME, not sex acts.
Talking should be charged because it's YOUR time.
If you added up all the hours you talked to him for free & then your play time plus how much he paid you, did you really make as much as you think you did?
This is why so many guys expect free talks because so many girls don't charge, & then when I say you have to pay to PM me or talk to me on Skype even before we start any play time, they get upset at me.
We are supposed to be in control of our pricing structure, NOT THEM.
Guys on CB used to always respect that you have to pay for PMs. I noticed on MFC, they expect them all for free.
Now that CB has gone to shit, so many are expecting PMing for free. I just had a guy today who tipped me 30 tkns, then wanted me to PM him.
Once I realized it wasn't just a quick question about a pvt, I told him it's 50 for every 5 mins. of PMing & he left LOL He had just paid 30 tkns. for nothing.
Like I always say, you can't teach STUPID! :)
A lot of these guys think they are doing US a favor by tipping us.
I think we ALL need to hammer it home that this is our job & that we ONLY made 5 cents per token. Maybe if ALL the girls did this, they wouldn't think we are just being greedy bitches trying to steal their money & I know they think that too.
I hope everyone learns from your pain & I HOPE you find some new respectful regs. :)
Hugs
anonymous camgirl
02-20-2018, 09:05 AM
Can someone please tell me everything will be ok and this one customer will not be the end of everything? I just lost my only customer that was left after a break of 5 months because I set my boundaries as he was clingy as fuck and spamming me on Twitter. I couldn't stand it anymore, I didn't even want to log on CB anymore because whenever I logged off he expected hour long good night conversations.
Maybe I should have just ignored it to see if he gets but instead I told him I can't message for hours for free with him. On CB he was always super generous but still... I couldn't do those messages anymore. Of course all his love for me faded away within a second. I kinda expected it but now I'm kinda like omg, how stupid are you... why did you not wait until you have a few more again instead of just him... why do those guys not get we are not really their girlfriends and it still a fucking job. I'm relieved he's gone but stressing out about money now, argh...
Every company fires unruly customers when they are just that bad!.. don't worry..
Skyla18
02-20-2018, 02:33 PM
who else has noticed that it been very hard to earn tokens lately on chaturbate ? I worked 4 sites today I made goal but it was sooooo hard and dead on 3 of them
PixiieGirl
02-20-2018, 02:52 PM
after an amazing day yesterday - today I made $8 in nearly 3 hours
NOPE
LoraDoll
02-21-2018, 12:42 PM
Never happened such thing with me, but today I made a big fat nothing. In 6 hours. I went to the gym after, and couldnt even do my workout, i was that upset. I mean... this is not how it should be, right?
Anyway, I remember, last year I took off february, whole. Maybe I should do that again, coz this jus tmake no sense , I m really disappointed.
There are no people at all, or if there are, nobody want to spend. Except my old regulars.
Old regulars: One of them just told me, he ll leave the site, coz he found something better. I asked: what is it? He says: chaturbate. I ask why? He: coz it s free, and he got everything there. For free. I would like to see that shit burn, for real.
I watched a few other models similar placement like me, they got no pvt either.
So what I wanna say, somebody could actually tell me what the fuck is goin on?
Skyla18
02-21-2018, 01:24 PM
I know exactly how you feel LoraDoll. Today was one of the most shitiest days of all the other shity days ive had in feb I was online for 8 hours 4 sites and barely made 39 dollars I'm normally very determined and push my self to reach goals but I couldn't deal with the crap anymore Guys wouldn't even talk back to me I kept asking them could they hear and see me good I am on chaturbate and I was doing very good on there but not this month I am so upset and was having a panic attack earlier fingers cross it good tommorow
uglyblonde
02-21-2018, 01:50 PM
i was online in the morning it was sooo dead then i tried again at night still dead. i don't even know what time should i cam to make a dime seems like only top girls can go online any time of the day and make their goal.
xIsabellaLux
02-22-2018, 09:25 AM
This week has been seriously brutal. Last week I went over my goal by 200 dollars, and the past three days have been crickets. The only money I've been making has been through Phrendly. CMD and Sky Private have been absolutely barren. Hopefully it picks up this weekend.
BiancaNorwood
02-22-2018, 11:49 AM
I didn't know it can get that worse. 2 hours and 1,5 dollars on Streamate. I'm 99% of the time complaining about that website only!! I seriously start to think that it's the fault of this ugly looking wig I have!
But I'm not going to give up. I'm trying out different times now. I'm so SO sick of sitting around there and slowly becomin more and more depressed. Heck I even cried last night because of this website in front of my parents because it's making me so broken!
I'm not going to give up yet. I don't want to give up another website I've just started working on. I quit MFC for the exact same reason that I'm crying about now. But I can't be too ugly for that website!! I WANT to hold on for a little longer, even if it may break me completely if I keep making 1-10 dollars a day on SM...
Your post breaks my heart. Why do you think that it's you or your fault? I would try to be kinder to yourself. It's not your wig and I'm sure you're not ugly. I hope everything starts to work out for you.
Bananabunny
02-22-2018, 03:55 PM
Your post breaks my heart. Why do you think that it's you or your fault? I would try to be kinder to yourself. It's not your wig and I'm sure you're not ugly. I hope everything starts to work out for you.
Thanks for your concern, really makes me happier. Streamate makes my confidence down ever since I started there. On Chaturbate no one would tell me to "kill myself" or that I'm a "fat cow" ever! So I have a hard time ignoring these comments. I'm getting them almost daily! On Chaturbate I maybe get a "loser" or "ur a bad model" every half year or every year once only. idk what drives these SM guys so mad about us.
I wish I was more confident like on Chaturbate but getting rude comments on SM and the fact that I sometimes make 2$ a hour doesn't makes it better. But on Chaturbate in the very beginning it was the same. So I may just have to wait a little bit more. I won't give up so quickly. I'm not that bad in camming! So I'm really hoping that in 2-3 month smy situation is going to be different.
BiancaNorwood
02-22-2018, 05:17 PM
Thanks for your concern, really makes me happier. Streamate makes my confidence down ever since I started there. On Chaturbate no one would tell me to "kill myself" or that I'm a "fat cow" ever! So I have a hard time ignoring these comments. I'm getting them almost daily! On Chaturbate I maybe get a "loser" or "ur a bad model" every half year or every year once only. idk what drives these SM guys so mad about us.
I wish I was more confident like on Chaturbate but getting rude comments on SM and the fact that I sometimes make 2$ a hour doesn't makes it better. But on Chaturbate in the very beginning it was the same. So I may just have to wait a little bit more. I won't give up so quickly. I'm not that bad in camming! So I'm really hoping that in 2-3 month smy situation is going to be different.
There's always going to be trolls - no matter what site you work on. Since the beginning of the internet, there have always been trolls. They are just trying to bring you down. Don't let them! I got called "gross" today as well as told that I have "saggy tits". I don't let it bother me. 99% of the time, it's another model. Fuck them. If the trolls are unhappy, that's on them - don't let them bring you down to their level! xoxo
ep2002
02-22-2018, 05:29 PM
Never happened such thing with me, but today I made a big fat nothing. In 6 hours. I went to the gym after, and couldnt even do my workout, i was that upset. I mean... this is not how it should be, right?
Anyway, I remember, last year I took off february, whole. Maybe I should do that again, coz this jus tmake no sense , I m really disappointed.
There are no people at all, or if there are, nobody want to spend. Except my old regulars.
Old regulars: One of them just told me, he ll leave the site, coz he found something better. I asked: what is it? He says: chaturbate. I ask why? He: coz it s free, and he got everything there. For free. I would like to see that shit burn, for real.
I watched a few other models similar placement like me, they got no pvt either.
So what I wanna say, somebody could actually tell me what the fuck is goin on?
I can't believe how I'm making NOTING on SM. I made $2.01 yesterday only b/c of a GS & that's IT. Actually strike that, that's ALL I've made this entire week.
No one is taking me pvt & for the 2nd week in a row I won't make the $100 to even cash out. JFC.
And I said this AGES ago, but several models disagreed with me.
SITES WHERE GIRLS SHOW FOR FREE WILL RUIN THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY. Actually it already has obviously.
On CB, yes, girls who are really good at teasing & can get ANY man to do anything for them will bank, them & the girls who put on a great porn show, but for someone like me I won't make anything.
Why in the WORLD would a guy go onto SM when he can get everything for free???
And all the guys on SM now are freeloaders or cheap as hell. They ALL just room hop now. I guess if you hop enough you cum eventually.
On my titty GS a guy just asked me if he could see pussy for 5 measly gold.
I sure as hell wouldn't go onto SM if I was a guy & could get everything for free. Would you?
And recently I've seen several guys' handles in both SM & CB, so the guys are making the rounds of EVERY site & CB & MFC will cost us ALL our livelihood.
And the OTHER issue is how little we get from the amount they are charged, so in actuality they are paying a lot of money to see us, but we have to charge a lot more b/c we make so little. Like 5 cents per token LOL, it's a joke. I've been stressing about what to charge per min. b/c CB is so stupid they go from 18 tkns. per min. to 30. I can't charge 20, 25, etc. & 30 is too much for most of the guys & 18 is VERY low.
On CB & I noticed a HUGE change after Trumpet got into power where all the purple guys who have spent the most do NOT tip anymore.
They tip singles & I have no idea how they are spending all their tokens, but I know it's no longer in my room.
I used to get guys spinning my slot machine all the time, now it's just fucking single tips or guys demanding I do things for free, or I give them the price for what they want & they walk.
I even lowered my prices on SM & I'm still not getting anything this week. And you would think around Valentines it would be ok.
I took a quick look at last year & while there weren't a lot of calls, they were longer calls ranging from 15-20 minutes which makes up for the lack of calls.
This week has been seriously brutal. Last week I went over my goal by 200 dollars, and the past three days have been crickets. The only money I've been making has been through Phrendly. CMD and Sky Private have been absolutely barren. Hopefully it picks up this weekend.
I can't believe you are making anything on Phrendly. It's NOT friendly to older women obviously LOL
Even the guys that star me never contact me. I haven't made money on it in months.
No offense, but I think you should be thankful you made your goal AND $200 more on top.
LoraDoll
02-23-2018, 05:33 AM
Exactly that s the problem, that they "stick around" and "stalk around" and expect to build up a "connection and what not" in free, for free. And anyway, it s a delusional idea, we dont even know them, we have no idea who they are. Than maybe, if u talk to "every single customer" for hours, maybe one of them ll pay, maybe. A small talk is fine, a few questions are okay, if they want something. But basically they expect in free and for free now, what they should get in pvt. Like our attention and our time.
Idk how to put it, but I feel lonely day after day. In that case, I look for a friend, I go to gym, I practice on guitar, I do something with myself. I dont go to a porn site to get free attention, and "test" the girls there, try to make sure they not there for the money, and make sure how much they love me, WITHOUT KNOWING ME, and if They prove they love me so much and they are my "soul mates" in free, than maybe i ll buy a show. This make no sense, this is not nice from them but being a pain in the ass.
PixiieGirl
02-23-2018, 08:49 AM
Tuesday - $8
Wednesday - $4
Thursday - $3
Ffs this is awful
nattyfetish
02-23-2018, 10:07 AM
HORRIBLE. I swear, its been the worst day, everybody hangs around laughs, nobody goes private. And the ones that do ? You know how it is in the begining when you don't know what you are doing and the member gets out of private in less than a minute? That's how i felt today.
anonymous camgirl
02-23-2018, 02:23 PM
This is what you call Male Logic, they don't make sense at all.
Exactly that s the problem, that they "stick around" and "stalk around" and expect to build up a "connection and what not" in free, for free. And anyway, it s a delusional idea, we dont even know them, we have no idea who they are. Than maybe, if u talk to "every single customer" for hours, maybe one of them ll pay, maybe. A small talk is fine, a few questions are okay, if they want something. But basically they expect in free and for free now, what they should get in pvt. Like our attention and our time.
Idk how to put it, but I feel lonely day after day. In that case, I look for a friend, I go to gym, I practice on guitar, I do something with myself. I dont go to a porn site to get free attention, and "test" the girls there, try to make sure they not there for the money, and make sure how much they love me, WITHOUT KNOWING ME, and if They prove they love me so much and they are my "soul mates" in free, than maybe i ll buy a show. This make no sense, this is not nice from them but being a pain in the ass.
PixiieGirl
02-23-2018, 02:37 PM
Shit once again
At least I get to work later tomorrow maybe it’ll help
SapphireXO
02-23-2018, 03:24 PM
I used to get guys spinning my slot machine all the time, now it's just fucking single tips or guys demanding I do things for free, or I give them the price for what they want & they walk.
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What site has slot machines??!! Maybe I’m camming on the wrong site??!!
ep2002
02-23-2018, 04:06 PM
sorry, i know this is the "camming sucks" thread, but i gotta play devil's advocate here.
not every guy on a camsite is seeking free pornographic material. if i get guys like that, i tell them to fuck off and go google tits and ass. plenty of free pussy on the internet. what they can't get from pornhub or google is genuine personality and live interaction. and the types of guys who appreciate that are usually smart, respectful, and most importantly, have money to spend. you need to figure out how to switch up your hustle to attract those types of customers, instead of wasting your time and energy trying to convert douchy freeloaders.
a lot of my customers stick around my room for the conversation. they tell me i stand out because i treat them like actual people, not just potential dollar signs. i greet every single person who comes into the room. we casually chat about common interests, and sometimes the other guys in the chat will even talk to each other. some girls might say that's a total waste of time and that those guys are "freeloading" by not paying for my attention/conversation; but if it results in me getting a bunch of guys to eventually tip into a gold show or go private because they feel a connection with me, i don't think it's a waste at all.
at one point yesterday, i got a half hour exclusive show where i stayed fully clothed and spent the whole block session giving a guy relationship advice. he was brand new to my room. he told me he was searching all night for a model he felt comfortable opening up to, but every other girl he encountered was just sitting in free chat begging for privates and talking about how horny and wet they were. apparently i was the only person he stumbled on that seemed "normal" and "real" to him. (no offense to anyone's hustle... i'm just saying, if that hustle isn't working for you, maybe you should try something else.)
and of course, i have my fair share of bad nights just like anyone else. but it's certainly not going to help you make any money if you log on with the mentality that ALL men on camsites are freeloaders. it simply isn't true.
So you are assuming facts not in evidence.
You are assuming I have only ever treated them like a wallet & that's just not true at all. Maybe now I do because of all the FLs & scammers, but that's NOT how I started off.
You also assume that I just tell them I'm wet LOL I tried that once to see if it would get the FL to stick around more, but it DOESN'T.
Usually when a guy asks me how I am, I say great & you? B/c if I say ANYTHING negative at all like I'm cold or I'm hot, or bored, they LEAVE.
All of those things are ME being a REAL live human being & they don't want that, they want PERFECTION.
In FACT, most of them just leave after I ask them how they are. Or they start sex talking & I send my blurb to take me pvt so we can have fun. I do NOT SEX TALK FOR FREE.
For the ones that just leave after the pleasantries, I never know if it's b/c they expect me to talk dirty or say I'm horny instead of GREAT, or what.
I'm glad this rarely happens to you, but it happens to me ALL the time.
And the OTHER thing I experience are the guys who are just room hoping & literally are SOOOOO fast that I can't even get their ID. WTF can you possible see & determine in a millisecond? Even if they stayed 5 seconds what can they determine? These are clearly NOT the guys who want conversation which is what I'm best at.
In MY room that's what I experience.
Recently I've been having a few guys just sitting there. I was taught not to talk to them first b/c they have to feel comfortable, so I don't welcome guys into my room. I tried that twice & they left then too. It's like no matter what I do I can't win.
I'm also happy you are a great sales person. I admit I'm not. I'm VERY down to earth & I've had guys tell me I am & also take me pvt b/c of that, but they are very rare.
Most of them want porn stars & they are ADDICTED to webcamming. In fact they are soooo addicted, that if you don't titalate them right off the bat, they are BORED & leave. If you aren't able to change it up EACH time (this I understand) they don't want you.
And a ton of them are jerking not just once a day, but upto 5 times a day & can't even get hard anymore b/c they've hurt their penis.
Many have lost tons of money & delete their accounts only to come back a few months later & they can't even spend anymore b/c they are broke or they know they are addicted, so they are there just to watch & jerk which is 90% of them IMO.
From a sociological point of view, this has become an epidemic of epic proportions. I don't even know how these guys can have a regular relationship based on their expectations of cam models which maybe back when this industry first started was like a 2nd hand gf, but NOW I don't think that's the case anymore.
This isn't even porn (like you mentioned which is why telling them to go watch porn doesn't work even though they DO watch porn too), this is them being addicted to being able to get ANY girl they want even if they could never get her IRL, or being able to scam tons of girls b/c hey, THEY CAN.
The sites don't give a shit about us to stop how we are treated. They allow guys to come into my room over & over & NEVER spend or even to go all over their site & never spend.
I know one day he may pay, but that's rare. This is why my rule is, if they come in 4 different times & still haven't paid for anything, not even a GS I have then banned. The energy & wasted time of having them in my room over & over again takes me away from others or doing something else.
Now your situation will be different than mine based on your age (I'm older) & how you look. I don't look white, slim with a great figure, great legs, etc. That's not to say that BBWs don't get regulars (I have mine too), but I just don't get as many as you clearly do.
And yes my opinion of them have changed over the time I've been working since 2014. Now I know why. In the UK an article was written about how cam girls don't last very long in the job b/c it's too stressful on them.
For me I am sick, so I can't do much else.
Right now I'm making less than $10/hr & that REALLY depresses me. I'm not even sure I will be able to pay my bills. I wasn't even asking for MIRACLES in making $100/hr.
NO girl wants to sit around doing nothing all day & night & making NO MONEY. It IS very demoralizing.
Exactly that s the problem, that they "stick around" and "stalk around" and expect to build up a "connection and what not" in free, for free. And anyway, it s a delusional idea, we dont even know them, we have no idea who they are. Than maybe, if u talk to "every single customer" for hours, maybe one of them ll pay, maybe. A small talk is fine, a few questions are okay, if they want something. But basically they expect in free and for free now, what they should get in pvt. Like our attention and our time.
Idk how to put it, but I feel lonely day after day. In that case, I look for a friend, I go to gym, I practice on guitar, I do something with myself. I dont go to a porn site to get free attention, and "test" the girls there, try to make sure they not there for the money, and make sure how much they love me, WITHOUT KNOWING ME, and if They prove they love me so much and they are my "soul mates" in free, than maybe i ll buy a show. This make no sense, this is not nice from them but being a pain in the ass.
Yes, but you aren't male.
I agree with what you are saying b/c we are on the same page, I'm just saying you aren't male & most of them are idiots who ONLY think with their dick.
They can't hack it in a REAL relationship & web camming (see above) has changed it so now they are literally ADDICTED to this.
And eventually they realize that they have TONS of power over US whereas they didn't have that power over females (especially) good looking ones before.
you seem to have missed the point i made that me having conversations in free chat led to a half hour exclusive show where i continued to do nothing but talk. my pussy was pretty happy about that, and so was my paycheck.
i feel like some girls forget or just don't understand that this is a sales job. good salespeople have charismatic personalities and don't make you feel like you're being sold something. they build a connection by being sociable and relatable, and spend time and energy 'warming up' the potential buyer before they close the sale. camming is no different. you can't expect to be paid for every little interaction with someone; you have to give up some of your time and attention (yes, for free) to get them interested in you. you can think that's "delusional" all you want, but my earnings report each week says otherwise.
these guys are shy, lonely, and horny. they turn to the internet to socialize. it's not that weird to comprehend. but just because it's a porn site, doesn't mean all they're looking for is generic sex and nudity. just look at a site like MFC. the top girls are banking not because of the pornographic nature of their shows, but because of their great personalities and how engaging they are with their room. IMO it's not that different on SM. a lot of guys are just looking for someone they can relate to, someone who can make them laugh, someone who can make their day better. you have to be willing to show a bit of that side of you for free to make them want more, and want you all to themselves.
anyway, i'm stop. sorry for hijacking.
camming still sucks. ;) <3
I used to talk to them for free toooo UNTIL I realized they were just taking up all of my time FOR FREE & I stopped doing it. And only once I can remember getting a guy (different site) who took me pvt & I didn't like the session at all. How he talked to me normally & how he was crude in the session just turned me off.
Frankly I wouldn't want to get to know them & like them without getting paid & then have them treat me that way in the paid session. That would make me want to run for the hills.
I can't even handle it when a guy wants to be romantic with me in a session or keeps asking me what I like & am I enjoying myself. It TOTALLY turns me off. Sometimes I get turned on when they want me to cum, but it's rarely b/c of them.
I get your point that they need to warm up to you, but if they want to do that, they can pay for my time & do that. If I knew the guy had money & he wasn't a FL, then I'd agree with you, but since I don't know whether he's a FL or not & is just wasting my time, no I can't do that.
You mentioned a 30 min. Excl.
Have you calculated how much time you spent with all those guys in relation to your 30 mins.? I bet you that you spent hours talking to them just to get one 30 min. show.
And I don't have enough guys in my room to all talk with one another. I'd love for that to happen, but they never stay & many put themselves on invisible.
On CB I used to get that, but then it eventually turns to sex talk & like I said, I won't talk for free about sex. To me that's no different than showing myself in nude. Most guys want sex talk, so that's giving away the show.
And when I start chair dancing they often just leave. Less than 1% like it when I'm having fun.
If me HAVING FUN to my music turns them off then FUCK THEM.
LoraDoll
02-23-2018, 05:09 PM
I havent missed the point.
1: socialize on cam site = non existent delusional "idea". Such thing just dont exist. U can have a good time, u can kill some time, but u can t socialize on a cam site.
2: it s nice that u built up a theory, a fairytale around this even better, if it works for u atm-> poor shy guys just watching carefully at us, and all they want, is a "few kind words" and our well beiing. let s save the world and so on, right.
3: but what makes u think that the most of us just forgot how to do this. Many of us doing this 5+ or even 10+ years ago, everybody or at least the most of us eported changes about the audience.
"lot of guys are just looking for someone they can relate to, someone who can make them laugh, someone who can make their day better" -> exactly, thats what pvt is for. Like a year ago, nearly 80% of my income came from that tpye of guys, when they had an idea how to behave on a pvt based site, and didnt expected everything for free.
This is why its good to be a "newbie" in these days - u can t compare how disrespectful are most of them now, after all these years.
Anyway, i m crossing fingers, that it s just "february" - a few awkward weeks and it ll be alive again.
Bananabunny
02-23-2018, 08:50 PM
Tonight is terrible. Fridays are usually a massive miss or massive hit. This time it's a massive miss. Fml I put on make up today for only 30 dollars and a few idiots who call me "bby" but don't tip. I had fun earlier when I made these 30$ but these generous dudes disappeared...Now I'm here with all the cheapos. I hope for a hero tonight who takes me pvt for a long time, far far away from these cheapos who think I care about their flirting shit!
JaneBurgess
02-24-2018, 02:50 PM
sorry, i know this is the "camming sucks" thread, but i gotta play devil's advocate here.
not every guy on a camsite is seeking free pornographic material. if i get guys like that, i tell them to fuck off and go google tits and ass. plenty of free pussy on the internet. what they can't get from pornhub or google is genuine personality and live interaction. and the types of guys who appreciate that are usually smart, respectful, and most importantly, have money to spend. you need to figure out how to switch up your hustle to attract those types of customers, instead of wasting your time and energy trying to convert douchy freeloaders.
a lot of my customers stick around my room for the conversation. they tell me i stand out because i treat them like actual people, not just potential dollar signs. i greet every single person who comes into the room. we casually chat about common interests, and sometimes the other guys in the chat will even talk to each other. some girls might say that's a total waste of time and that those guys are "freeloading" by not paying for my attention/conversation; but if it results in me getting a bunch of guys to eventually tip into a gold show or go private because they feel a connection with me, i don't think it's a waste at all.
at one point yesterday, i got a half hour exclusive show where i stayed fully clothed and spent the whole block session giving a guy relationship advice. he was brand new to my room. he told me he was searching all night for a model he felt comfortable opening up to, but every other girl he encountered was just sitting in free chat begging for privates and talking about how horny and wet they were. apparently i was the only person he stumbled on that seemed "normal" and "real" to him. (no offense to anyone's hustle... i'm just saying, if that hustle isn't working for you, maybe you should try something else.)
and of course, i have my fair share of bad nights just like anyone else. but it's certainly not going to help you make any money if you log on with the mentality that ALL men on camsites are freeloaders. it simply isn't true.
They are a wallet, just like we are paid entertainment. You dont join a paid cam site and expect to be entertained for free period. They are not our friends, its not a dating site, we wont meet you in person, etc. Camming is a job and most customers do not treat it like a job because they get to see video for free and so many performers give things out for free. So if there are freeloaders, some cam performers sure as hell helped to create them.
I have always had shows because I have always been clear to respect my time and job or get out. I treat the people in my room with respect until they give me a reason not to. The problem with your connection theory is those guys are the type that stop paying pretty quick because you have now become their friend and they feel comfortable with you. They dont feel the need to pay a friend and will hangout forever until you ban them. They also tend to tell to tell a lot of us that we are real and normal. Its a line they use, just like we use lines on them to get shows.
JaneBurgess
02-24-2018, 04:38 PM
that isn't my personal experience -- my best paying repeat customers are the ones who i have that "connection" with. they are always my high tip for gold shows, they take me exclusive just to talk, they randomly tip in free chat often for nothing in return. they understand that this is my job and that they're supporting me, despite us feeling like "friends." and i convert new guys into customers all the time because they see that i have a certain rapport with a lot of my other guys, and they want to be a part of that.
i guess this dynamic is less common than i realized, at least on SM.
After nine years on SM I saw the traffic change a lot. It used to be tons of guys that paid, now you have tons of beggars and freeloaders. No one said there still werent good customers left, they were sharing their experience. Good customers can turn into freeloaders at any time, its happened to many performers many times. Im friendly to everyone but they arent my friends since all they know about me is a fake persona
Do what works for you but theres nothing wrong with others seeing customers as a wallet. Everyone has a different style that works for them. I do a lot of fetish and they pay well to be called a wallet
anonamiss
02-24-2018, 05:44 PM
After nine years on SM I saw the traffic change a lot. It used to be tons of guys that paid, now you have tons of beggars and freeloaders. No one said there still werent good customers left, they were sharing their experience. Good customers can turn into freeloaders at any time, its happened to many performers many times. Im friendly to everyone but they arent my friends since all they know about me is a fake persona
Do what works for you but theres nothing wrong with others seeing customers as a wallet. Everyone has a different style that works for them. I do a lot of fetish and they pay well to be called a wallet
yes they did. the person i responded to said all the guys on SM are freeloaders or just cheap now, which implies there are no good customers left. that's why i responded. because there are still tons of great guys out there spending thousands of dollars every day. but you have figure out how to attract them.
if your hustle works for you, obviously keep doing it. there is nothing wrong with seeing your customers a certain way if it's actually resulting in sales. if a model isn't making any money, the problem isn't shitty traffic and freeloaders, the problem is your hustle.
to each their own.
LoraDoll
02-24-2018, 06:20 PM
But dude, she dont mean it like "forever" or for a lifetime. This is the camming sucks, and if I have a bad day, or even a few slow hour, I come here to moan, and complain, exactly like that. Maybe an hour later I could go to Camming rocks.
I agree with what u say here and there, but I m afraid u missunderstood ep. And u gave advice unasked. Also labeled her, and others, like we dont know how to do this, and we forgot how to do this. U started to talk about something and ep talked about a completely different thing, in a different mood and different setup, even different perspective.
So it s all fine, but actually u showed off, how much better, smarter and luckier u are (in ur opinion) than others, who actually have a hard time,, or struggle in this time period, and not afraid to share their thoughts, and experiences.
And pls pls dont quote this once more.
Genoveve
02-24-2018, 06:37 PM
It never goes well on here when someone who isn't struggling offers advice to someone who is struggling.
LoraDoll
02-24-2018, 06:40 PM
indeed. :D
anonamiss
02-24-2018, 06:44 PM
but dude, she dont mean it like "forever" or for a lifetime. This is the camming sucks, and if I have a bad day, or even a few slow hour, I come here to moan, and complain, exactly like that. Maybe an hour later I could go to Camming rocks.
I agree with what u say here and there, but I m afraid u missunderstood what ep said. And u gave advice unasked. Also labeled her, and us like we dont know how to do this, and we forgot how to do this. Nobody talked about that. U talked about something and ep talked about a completely different thing, in a different mood and different setup, even different perspective.
So it s all fine, but actually u showed off, how much better, smarter and luckier u are than others, who actually have hard time, or struggle in this time of period. I mean, wtf?
no you're totally right. i'm sorry for hijacking the thread, and i'm sorry for my unsolicited rant. i feel like an ass. i initially came in here to post about some annoying glitch or whatever, but then i read that long post and i guess it struck a nerve and i got defensive.
but it doesn't matter, it was out of place in the context of this thread. i shouldn't have posted the first post and i shouldn't have continued to respond.
your struggles are totally valid.
sorry again especially to ep.
PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-24-2018, 06:56 PM
It never goes well on here when someone who isn't struggling offers advice to someone who is struggling.
No it doesn't. But I still commend people for making an attempt.
Genoveve
02-24-2018, 07:05 PM
No it doesn't. But I still commend people for making an attempt.
Samesies
anonamiss
02-24-2018, 07:07 PM
It never goes well on here when someone who isn't struggling offers advice to someone who is struggling.
yeah, i will admit i needed to hear this and i get it now.
ep technically asked some questions in her post that were probably intended to be rhetorical but i saw it as an opening for discussion. i shouldn't have, at least not in this thread.
i never meant to invalidate anyone's experiences and i didn't mean to come off as boastful. i know my posts are still there in the quotes, but i deleted the originals to hopefully not to encourage anymore discussion. i'm sorry.
xIsabellaLux
02-26-2018, 12:09 PM
I am very thankful I made my goal and then some. But I have weekly and monthly goals - and not meeting them causes dire consequences for me. So when I get set back, it's seriously stressful. It still hasn't picked up for me, and my earning on Phrendly has dropped in the past week as well. So, camming still sucks for me right now. But I also know it's the end of the month and that it will pick back up at the beginning of the month.
SoloDesire
02-26-2018, 12:26 PM
The fucking guys on SM are being total dickbags today. I'm not sitting around and NOT get paid to be treated like shit. Fuck this day. I'm done.
Bananabunny
02-26-2018, 06:55 PM
The fucking guys on SM are being total dickbags today. I'm not sitting around and NOT get paid to be treated like shit. Fuck this day. I'm done.
I made 3 dollars in 3-4 hours the day you posted this. Haha what a waste of time this site sometimes is. But times for me get better lately so I'm glad! At least one good thing!
pippapippa
02-26-2018, 06:58 PM
It is completely dead still and everyone is rude as fuck today. I’m about to give up after only an hour and go take a nice, relaxing bath.
cat1989
02-26-2018, 09:52 PM
How do you know that you lost him? The truth is those types always come back. Sometimes its under a different screen name but no worries. Now you understand the game a little bit better and won't be fooled again, right? ;)
How do you know that you lost him? The truth is those types always come back. Sometimes its under a different screen name but no worries. Now you understand the game a little bit better and won't be fooled again, right? ;)
Maybe you were right lmao he started messaging again. Saying he was hurt etc but he respects me. No cheesy love messages anymore, he said now he wants to be friends. Eeeh I have friends in real life, sooo... no. He’s messaging after every single thing I post on twitter instead of commenting underneath the post itself and asking how I am. Still. He doesn’t get it. Sometimes I just send a smiley or say thank you. Kinda wanna see if he’s still spending lots of $$$ when I’m back in cam in a few weeks. Would be good to still have him then as I start pretty much from new but without the new status... but on the other hand you two here were so right, he spends a lot but he’s also very high maintenance, even in the room. So sooner or later I think I’d need to get rid of him anyway or he would drop me because there are other guys who want to open their wallets for me. (Hopefully lol). He even mentioned one day if I’d do b/g shows or even vids he would never come back. That’s kind of a no no in my opinion. No one tells me what not to do.
SapphireXO
02-26-2018, 10:52 PM
It is completely dead still and everyone is rude as fuck today. I’m about to give up after only an hour and go take a nice, relaxing bath.
You weren’t lying!!! I had a FANTASTIC $$$ weekend but tonight was terrible. I made 195 tokens in an hour. Logged off. Yuck. Oh well. :) tomorrow is another day.
magicgembliss
02-28-2018, 02:43 PM
No one has noticed a significant decrease in traffic? I've been on MFC and Niteflirt for six months and have never seen it CLOSE to this slow before, not even when I had a camscore of like 280. I'm not doing a damned thing differently...what is going on?????
anonymous camgirl
02-28-2018, 02:57 PM
Have you only been camming for 6 months? if so your new girl novelty might have worn off now, so you need to hang tight and wait for the waves of traffic... from new customers and regulars.
No one has noticed a significant decrease in traffic? I've been on MFC and Niteflirt for six months and have never seen it CLOSE to this slow before, not even when I had a camscore of like 280. I'm not doing a damned thing differently...what is going on?????
magicgembliss
02-28-2018, 02:59 PM
Have you only been camming for 6 months? if so your new girl novelty might have worn off now, so you need to hang tight and wait for the waves of traffic... from new customers and regulars.
No no no, nothing to do with any new girl tag, that wore off right away. I'm not referring to getting shows, I'm talking about ZERO people entering my room or calling on NF and on MFC. My cam score on MFC has went up and down but like I said it's worse than when it was 280 and it's over 600 now. It makes no sense, except a premium just told me that MFC has shut down a couple times today which might help explain it.
anonymous camgirl
02-28-2018, 04:49 PM
If you are talking about today? it's the last day of the month , which is notorious for it being slow as people are trying to scrape up money to pay their rent... keep a look out every month and you will see what I am talking about.. slow af!.. sometimes you get lucky but mostly NOT! I made like $10 an hour or less today.
No no no, nothing to do with any new girl tag, that wore off right away. I'm not referring to getting shows, I'm talking about ZERO people entering my room or calling on NF and on MFC. My cam score on MFC has went up and down but like I said it's worse than when it was 280 and it's over 600 now. It makes no sense, except a premium just told me that MFC has shut down a couple times today which might help explain it.
DahliaSimone
03-01-2018, 01:47 PM
The only thing to save me the past three days this week has been a few regs, but other than that it has been so damn dead....i mean like, not even an in and out in 5-10 minutes at a time dead. SM is always feast or famine and, for me this week, its been famine. Indie sites have been even deader....kinda a let down after the great Feb. I had.
anonymous camgirl
03-01-2018, 02:12 PM
Did you work there in 2013? it was like heaven!.. Men just through gold at your feet for no reason, gold left and right.. it was the NIRVANA of camming.
The only thing to save me the past three days this week has been a few regs, but other than that it has been so damn dead....i mean like, not even an in and out in 5-10 minutes at a time dead. SM is always feast or famine and, for me this week, its been famine. Indie sites have been even deader....kinda a let down after the great Feb. I had.
DahliaSimone
03-01-2018, 02:24 PM
Did you work there in 2013? it was like heaven!.. Men just through gold at your feet for no reason, gold left and right.. it was the NIRVANA of camming.
I didnt. I didnt start camming til 2015, starting part time on Chaturbate. I went full time at the end of 2016, and thats when I started on Streamate. Seems I missed out on a lot. I know my afternoon shift and crap internet has a lot to do with it, but I can only work with what I've got. Still, traffic the past few days has just been....crickets. Absolute crickets. I've managed to get to goal or close Mon-Wed, but damn today I'm at $20....with zero motivation to stay on cam and stare at myself
SapphireXO
03-01-2018, 04:13 PM
I second this. Everyone in my MFC room, Snapchat, Skype,and a trend with my regulars are saying they can’t buy tokens, gifts, etc due to low funds or school stressors. 2 regulars and a e-GFE seeker saved me the last two days. Now I can take a day off.
Bananabunny
03-01-2018, 06:26 PM
Okay on Chaturbate, dead on Streamate tonight. I even had 0-1 Potential members at one time!! For a very long time!! wtffff
magicgembliss
03-01-2018, 06:35 PM
Some WEIRD shit is going on...I just had one guy ask if I was horny like twice, completely seriously and seemed bewildered by the concept of paying tokens for my being horny. Followed by some creep from some fetish site, who was confused by the "free" in my FREEcams, assuming it was a "camming site" where "people enjoy being sexual with each other". He said he didn't know it was "pay for porn" and wasn't into that as a "business"...whatever these sites have done lately with advertising they are bringing in the wrong non-paying customers.
This is happening across NiteFlirt to MFC to SM (less so on SM).
magicgembliss
03-01-2018, 06:39 PM
Okay on Chaturbate, dead on Streamate tonight. I even had 0-1 Potential members at one time!! For a very long time!! wtffff
*hugs* for this. I can't tell you how much I appreciate knowing it's not just me. I paid for #1 on certain categories on NF and only a single call, just a few chats and very reluctant people on Skype who complain a lot or very intense requests...pill poppers or looking for threesomes via chat.
Bananabunny
03-01-2018, 07:08 PM
*hugs* for this. I can't tell you how much I appreciate knowing it's not just me. I paid for #1 on certain categories on NF and only a single call, just a few chats and very reluctant people on Skype who complain a lot or very intense requests...pill poppers or looking for threesomes via chat.
Aw : ((
Well I'm now at 2 hours and not once cent on Streamate...I'm giving up and logging back into Chaturbate! Even there I make more :/