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anonymous camgirl
04-02-2012, 02:33 PM
That is a very awesome post .. thanks!!!! me being almost 40 and don't really want to adapt to change.. I must always remember i have to.. and honestly have NO choice.. I have changed alot doing cam since i first started.. In free chat .. if there was such thing.. which there virtually was not..lol.. I have changed from only showing face.. to cleavage.. now standing up occasionally .. and to accepting tips for flashing... .. i would NOT even accept tips before.. and now HD I had to adapt or get out.. that's your only choice.. thanks for your post


this is something i've been working out in my brain and the verified section and i wanted to post it publicly but wasn't sure where to post it. i didn't want to start a new thread, so i thought i'd post it here.

i'm not really into positive psychology/name it and claim it/the secret/whatever. so this observation doesn't have anything to do with that. and occasionally i need a place to vent too so i respect that people need to vent about how they're having a shitty day and i love that this thread exists because of that.

but i wanted to throw something out there as food for thought...
why does camming suck? stop and think about it. i see so many girls saying - camming sucks because it used to be easier/more lucrative/whatever. i wish camming was the way it used to be. i don't make as much money as i did last year/ten years ago/whatever.

there is such a thing as longing for the "old days," nostalgia, thinking that things used to be better and actively wishing that they would be the way they were before to the point of being in complete denial about change - to the point that it literally stunts growth (of yourself emotionally, of your business, of the situation as a whole).

anytime there is a massive change or shift in ANY situation, most people experience this. it is an actual psychological phenomenon. it sucks us in and causes us to stagnate. the fact is, things will NEVER be "how they used to be." ever. they might be better or worse qualitatively than they are in this moment, but they will never be THE SAME as they were 1 or 3 or 5 or 10 years ago. wishing for them to be the same is a completely futile exercise, a waste of time, and a vacation in the land of denial. just because our mind is capable of dwelling in the past does not mean that time, or the camming business, can live in the past or move backwards. time and camming are always moving forward. we have to move forward and shift our perceptions.

i think there's value in saying that we have to focus on the positive and adapt or die, but i also think it's important to name the one thing that is keeping a lot of girls from adapting - and that is wishing things could be the way they used to be.

in terms of the causes of the decline people are seeing...so many people throw around different reasons. some of the ones i've heard are: streamate bought cheap traffic, gold shows brought about the apocalypse, other girls are charging low prices and showing pussy in free chat, etc. etc. etc.

the truth is...you cannot control streamate (or mfc or whatever other site). you cannot control who is in your room and whether they spend. you cannot control what other girls are doing. you cannot control the availability of gold shows. so yeah, all of these things COULD be causes, maybe they are, but it really doesn't matter because you cannot control them.

what each girl is doing individually may not be the cause of declined traffic. i'm not saying we should all blame ourselves. BUT...we are all we have control over. so adapt. move forward. focus on what camming's like today instead of what it was like last tuesday or march 31st, 2001. obsessing over how camming used to be and about all the supposed causes of why it's not like that anymore isn't helping your bank account. but i can guarantee that logging in will.

Charlotteslut
04-02-2012, 02:42 PM
I never think endlessly whining is a good idea. However, I don't think being positive is always a good thing. Sometimes it's helpful to discuss the negatives of the industry so camgirls are aware of these things. I think we all know that in the end, it's up to us. Not turning on the cam=for sure no money.

But I'm glad that people discuss the changes in the sites, because it's all part of the business. And it helps newbies to the site realize that it's not really that easy or lucrative as they might be led to believe, which is helpful.

tinydancer23
04-02-2012, 02:55 PM
i'm not saying people should be constantly positive. sometimes shit just sucks.

i am saying that constantly worrying about site trends or whatever to the point that people do on this forum is counterproductive because we have no control over these things. in a limited sense, knowing this info can be helpful for newbies and it can be helpful for people to adapt to new business models. only individuals can gauge whether it's doing something good for their business. but in my experience, the constant focus on how camming used to be and why it's not that way any more is an exercise in futility and frustration. we don't have any control over that. we do have control over what we do right now.

anonymous camgirl
04-02-2012, 03:28 PM
men are manipulative, charming and looking for a bargain.. what else is there?? the sooner you learn this the more money you will make! It's an ebb and flow.. you have to work with what you have and rise to the challenge.. ( no pun intended)... you gotta be smarter than them..


I never think endlessly whining is a good idea. However, I don't think being positive is always a good thing. Sometimes it's helpful to discuss the negatives of the industry so camgirls are aware of these things. I think we all know that in the end, it's up to us. Not turning on the cam=for sure no money.

But I'm glad that people discuss the changes in the sites, because it's all part of the business. And it helps newbies to the site realize that it's not really that easy or lucrative as they might be led to believe, which is helpful.

SarahTime
04-02-2012, 03:45 PM
this is something i've been working out in my brain and the verified section and i wanted to post it publicly but wasn't sure where to post it. i didn't want to start a new thread, so i thought i'd post it here.

i'm not really into positive psychology/name it and claim it/the secret/whatever. so this observation doesn't have anything to do with that. and occasionally i need a place to vent too so i respect that people need to vent about how they're having a shitty day and i love that this thread exists because of that.

but i wanted to throw something out there as food for thought...
why does camming suck? stop and think about it. i see so many girls saying - camming sucks because it used to be easier/more lucrative/whatever. i wish camming was the way it used to be. i don't make as much money as i did last year/ten years ago/whatever.

there is such a thing as longing for the "old days," nostalgia, thinking that things used to be better and actively wishing that they would be the way they were before to the point of being in complete denial about change - to the point that it literally stunts growth (of yourself emotionally, of your business, of the situation as a whole).

anytime there is a massive change or shift in ANY situation, most people experience this. it is an actual psychological phenomenon. it sucks us in and causes us to stagnate. the fact is, things will NEVER be "how they used to be." ever. they might be better or worse qualitatively than they are in this moment, but they will never be THE SAME as they were 1 or 3 or 5 or 10 years ago. wishing for them to be the same is a completely futile exercise, a waste of time, and a vacation in the land of denial. just because our mind is capable of dwelling in the past does not mean that time, or the camming business, can live in the past or move backwards. time and camming are always moving forward. we have to move forward and shift our perceptions.

i think there's value in saying that we have to focus on the positive and adapt or die, but i also think it's important to name the one thing that is keeping a lot of girls from adapting - and that is wishing things could be the way they used to be.

in terms of the causes of the decline people are seeing...so many people throw around different reasons. some of the ones i've heard are: streamate bought cheap traffic, gold shows brought about the apocalypse, other girls are charging low prices and showing pussy in free chat, etc. etc. etc.

the truth is...you cannot control streamate (or mfc or whatever other site). you cannot control who is in your room and whether they spend. you cannot control what other girls are doing. you cannot control the availability of gold shows. so yeah, all of these things COULD be causes, maybe they are, but it really doesn't matter because you cannot control them.

what each girl is doing individually may not be the cause of declined traffic. i'm not saying we should all blame ourselves. BUT...we are all we have control over. so adapt. move forward. focus on what camming's like today instead of what it was like last tuesday or march 31st, 2001. obsessing over how camming used to be and about all the supposed causes of why it's not like that anymore isn't helping your bank account. but i can guarantee that logging in will.

*STANDING FUCKING OVATION*

Thank you!!!

Decalyn
04-05-2012, 01:19 AM
It's almost off page two! Quick! I need a priest over here (or possibly a cleric)!

*casts resurrection*

Phew. There. Don't need people forgetting this is here.

In other news: I get back on cam later this week. I'm not sick anymore! Here's hoping that the internet hasn't exploded while I was away. Because shitty camming makes for bad paying-rent-deposit-on-time-ness.

shywebcamgirl
04-05-2012, 08:08 AM
It's almost off page two! Quick! I need a priest over here (or possibly a cleric)!

*casts resurrection*

Phew. There. Don't need people forgetting this is here.

In other news: I get back on cam later this week. I'm not sick anymore! Here's hoping that the internet hasn't exploded while I was away. Because shitty camming makes for bad paying-rent-deposit-on-time-ness.

I am so happy you are back, I've really missed you! :dance:

Now answer the dang PM I sent to you here, already. :wife:

Lights
04-05-2012, 11:06 AM
Wow. you guys weren't kidding. I was on yesterday for 6 hours and only made $40. Today, I've been on for 3 hours and have only made $5. This is depressing and it's really hard to keep a smile on my face and not be all pessimistic when no one will pay for me. I'm sore from sitting down for so long, I'm bored, and seriously pissed off. I haven't been on cam in a few months and went from averaging $50-$60 an hour to averaging pretty much nothing. Even my first day ever camming I made more than this. If someone knows a better website please PM me bc this is ridiculous :'(

anonymous camgirl
04-05-2012, 11:14 AM
when the recession hit my cam life came to a screeching halt.. I practically froze up and panicked. All of a sudden my once paying regulars turned into all free loading regulars just sitting there squatting in my free chat holding me captive.. It was a mess.. I actually felt sorry for them.. they used to pay and they wanted to be there but now had NO money along with the dudes who never do.. It was not fun.. I was so angry and upset all the time.. I sometimes only made 17 or 20 bucks for an entire day.. NO exaggeration.. I came unglued alot.. then i just started to really focus.. and for the first time in my cam career I had to remain calm and push .. like i was selling them a NEW heart.. sorry but most sites are pretty dead.. I am on tons of them.. 2 phone sex sites.. 4 indy sites, and about 8 commercial sites or so.. Looking for more now.. Not sure if you believe! but we just came out of mercury retrograde yesterday and for me I have noticed a huge difference.. I hit my minimum goal today in less than 4 hours which is good for me.. yesterday I worked over 8 hours and don't even think i made it.. so things are looking up and then they tell me i can do gold shows today first time ever.. i want to but i am afraid.. but fear is no good.. I need to think about this.. i dont know if this is only a thursday thing or what.. but really don't wanna miss my chance



Wow. you guys weren't kidding. I was on yesterday for 6 hours and only made $40. Today, I've been on for 3 hours and have only made $5. This is depressing and it's really hard to keep a smile on my face and not be all pessimistic when no one will pay for me. I'm sore from sitting down for so long, I'm bored, and seriously pissed off. I haven't been on cam in a few months and went from averaging $50-$60 an hour to averaging pretty much nothing. Even my first day ever camming I made more than this. If someone knows a better website please PM me bc this is ridiculous :'(

CourtneyRaine
04-05-2012, 12:38 PM
Something has definitely changed for me this week and I don't know what it is, but I have been doing awesome! After a long slump on SM this week has been the best I've ever had on cam so far. My hourly has shot up by $10/hour quite unexpectedly. The only things I can contribute to this are: 1. I have started logging in a couple of hours earlier than usual so I can log out a couple of hours earlier, and 2. I started working on another site at night so I pretty much stopped caring about SM :) Don't get me wrong, it's still my primary site (for now) and I still have a goal for myself on there every morning but I also have a daily goal, which is more important to me. If I don't reach my SM goal I know I can still hit my overall daily on the other site later that evening so I'm much more relaxed about it. I never thought I looked desperate on cam, but maybe guys can just sense that I don't give a fuck and that makes them want me? Whatever it is, I hope it stays like this! Getting long premium shows filled with multiple guys without trying any harder than I did before has been great for my morale. I hope the rest of you are also seeing things start to pick up!

WhatNOW
04-06-2012, 09:04 PM
I was having an off day today.. For no particular reason. I came across this. It put me in a better mood instantly. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/13-simple-steps-to-get-you-through-a-rough-day I hope that it helps some other ladies perk up too :D

BitchEva
04-06-2012, 09:39 PM
I was having an off day today.. For no particular reason. I came across this. It put me in a better mood instantly. http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/13-simple-steps-to-get-you-through-a-rough-day I hope that it helps some other ladies perk up too :D

Thank you for posting that link hun!

sillykitty
04-09-2012, 08:06 PM
PLEASE TELL ME I'm not gross and impossible to masturbate to because I LEGIT don't know if I can pay my bills at this rate uggghhjjjh

justanothercamgirl
04-11-2012, 05:02 PM
So slow.

It is taking me twice the time it usually takes for me to make goal.

*sighs*

sillykitty
04-11-2012, 05:29 PM
I feel your pain
i feel it

Fridays
04-12-2012, 08:12 AM
PLEASE TELL ME I'm not gross and impossible to masturbate to
Im telling you: You are not gross and impossible to masturbate to

justanothercamgirl
04-12-2012, 08:38 AM
PLEASE TELL ME I'm not gross and impossible to masturbate to because I LEGIT don't know if I can pay my bills at this rate uggghhjjjh

Open skype, bb and I'll let you know. ;)

No, you are awesome! Slow days are just slow. :(

anonymous camgirl
04-12-2012, 09:56 AM
yea today's my day.. I have just worked on 9 cam sites with nothing but a $5 tip i just got now..LOL.. and been online over 2 hours now..LOL .. trying not to get upset.. these days happen sometimes.. been awhile though.

Rina
04-12-2012, 11:10 AM
PLEASE TELL ME I'm not gross and impossible to masturbate to because I LEGIT don't know if I can pay my bills at this rate uggghhjjjh

You're beautiful.

justanothercamgirl
04-12-2012, 11:33 AM
ARGH! It is so slow today and my placement completely sucks!!!

*whine*

anonymous camgirl
04-12-2012, 11:36 AM
WHEW!! thought it was just me... i only made 1.75 for a boob flash!!..lol... NOT ONE SHOW>. thank god for the other 8 sites but they are no help.. off to take a 3 or 4 hour break!! yippee.. don't worry.. it's just a day... the stars are stacked against us.. enjoy it .


ARGH! It is so slow today and my placement completely sucks!!!

*whine*

zore
04-12-2012, 05:31 PM
SM has been sh** the last 3 days - I've struggled to get ANY Gold Shows going :(

Nothing but freeloading idiots coming into my room.

I know it will come back, it ALWAYS does.

Just gotta be patient and ride out the storm :)

SarahTime
04-12-2012, 06:12 PM
yea today's my day.. I have just worked on 9 cam sites with nothing but a $5 tip i just got now..LOL.. and been online over 2 hours now..LOL .. trying not to get upset.. these days happen sometimes.. been awhile though.

9 sites??? I have found that I personally make the most when I focus on one or two sites at at time. Have you tried that instead of hopping around? You can't possibly be on each site long enough to get the traffic flowing if you are skipping around to 9 sites in a 2 hour span of time.

anonymous camgirl
04-13-2012, 09:33 AM
I do them all at the same time.. and yes i have tried just focusing on only 2 sites or so.. after I make my goal.. but just ends up the same anyway.. I have been doing it like that for 10 yrs now.. seems to work for me.. i guess... Normally I have to put up with way less free chatters this way. And I am never worried about a site suspending, terminating , paying me late or not existing anymore.. I have backups! It makes me extremely nervous to put all my eggs in one basket.. I have alot to lose!


9 sites??? I have found that I personally make the most when I focus on one or two sites at at time. Have you tried that instead of hopping around? You can't possibly be on each site long enough to get the traffic flowing if you are skipping around to 9 sites in a 2 hour span of time.

msmochaxx
04-14-2012, 12:17 AM
3 hrs split camming on two sites $10...
should i have someone else shoot me or do it myself?

SarahTime
04-14-2012, 01:31 AM
I do them all at the same time.. and yes i have tried just focusing on only 2 sites or so.. after I make my goal.. but just ends up the same anyway.. I have been doing it like that for 10 yrs now.. seems to work for me.. i guess... Normally I have to put up with way less free chatters this way. And I am never worried about a site suspending, terminating , paying me late or not existing anymore.. I have backups! It makes me extremely nervous to put all my eggs in one basket.. I have alot to lose!

Yikes! That sounds difficult, but awesome that you can multitask that much! While I agree that it's a good idea not to have all your eggs in one basket, I feel *reasonably safe* on big time cam sites like SM because if the big players go tits up... we're all fucked anyway! lol ;) I think two or three is a great idea. 9.... that's a lot! You're the split camming queen! :)

h0ttie
04-14-2012, 02:18 AM
my hourly average has dropppppppped. like for a whole week it's been way down...and its not even my attitude because when i am working i FEEL like i'm doing good..and then i check my earnings and want to cry.
now today i am skipping working because...its depressing to be making less, so i would rather make nothing at all. which makes no sense...buttttt whatever.

JoJoX
04-14-2012, 03:25 AM
first off, it is seasonal. the first two weeks of april are always slower.

secondly, because of my great attitude, ive been lucking out with one guy each time i cam- it only takes one.

ive been doing fine, and as independent contractors, you guys should of been prepared for this and we all know theres slow times and better times in this industry. snap out of it ladies, attitude is everything.

ps- IT IS ALMOST OVER! it will get better.

anonymous camgirl
04-14-2012, 05:12 AM
I know what you mean.. when I have had a day where I didn't make much.. I don't wanna get on cam the next day and usually get on late from the disappointment.



my hourly average has dropppppppped. like for a whole week it's been way down...and its not even my attitude because when i am working i FEEL like i'm doing good..and then i check my earnings and want to cry.
now today i am skipping working because...its depressing to be making less, so i would rather make nothing at all. which makes no sense...buttttt whatever.

laurielegs
04-14-2012, 09:23 AM
because of my great attitude, ive been lucking out with one guy each time i cam- it only takes one.

ive been doing fine, and as independent contractors, you guys should of been prepared for this and we all know theres slow times and better times in this industry. snap out of it ladies, attitude is everything.

ps- IT IS ALMOST OVER! it will get better.

Thank you for reminding me of this!

there have been sooo many times when I've been ready to sign off and get a whale and bank off just that one man. Why do I always forget this!

zore
04-14-2012, 02:29 PM
I get really frustrated too on slow days - I think it's somewhat an "illusion" though that we're not making any money :hypnotize

We're generating FUTURE-money if not now-money.

Think about it...



We're entering many new guys' awareness who've never seen us before...
Many of these guys will add us to their favorites or remember us...
Many of these guys will spend money later down the road on Gold Shows, Privates, Exclusives...


Those "great days" where we're making loads of money is probably the cumulative effect of what we did daily including those frustrating slow days - the fact that we showed up :wave:

So when our rooms are full of new people and we aren't banking ... and a minority are saying "show tits/ass bb" ... we need to remind ourselves that we're probably making or contributing greatly to our future-money :D

SarahTime
04-14-2012, 02:36 PM
first off, it is seasonal. the first two weeks of april are always slower.

secondly, because of my great attitude, ive been lucking out with one guy each time i cam- it only takes one.

ive been doing fine, and as independent contractors, you guys should of been prepared for this and we all know theres slow times and better times in this industry. snap out of it ladies, attitude is everything.

ps- IT IS ALMOST OVER! it will get better.

First two weeks of April have been my best all year. It's not the same for every girl, we should all know that by now! :) I hugely disagree with the "seasonal" excuse, because it might be slow for half of us one season, while others are banking and vice versa.

ClaudiaReina
04-14-2012, 02:40 PM
I get really frustrated too on slow days - I think it's somewhat an "illusion" though that we're not making any money :hypnotize

We're generating FUTURE-money if not now-money.

Think about it...




We're entering many new guys' awareness who've never seen us before...
Many of these guys will add us to their favorites or remember us...
Many of these guys will spend money later down the road on Gold Shows, Privates, Exclusives...


Those "great days" where we're making loads of money is probably the cumulative effect of what we did daily including those frustrating slow days - the fact that we showed up :wave:

So when our rooms are full of new people and we aren't banking ... and a minority are saying "show tits/ass bb" ... we need to remind ourselves that we're probably making or contributing greatly to our future-money :D

Thank you, it's very important to remember this!
I also found that I'm making more money if I'm staying online more: in the 1st hour, 2nd hour there are many guys who just come to my room, talk a bit (or not at all) then log off; and they come back later on and take me private if I'm still online.
Many guys are just browsing to find the right girl and can buy really long shows later. The other day I was online and I only had some 2 minute guys in the first 2 hours; it was beyond frustrating but I didn't log off, in the 3rd hour I had a 50+ minute pvt with 3 guys, so it was worth it to wait through the slow times!

JoJoX
04-14-2012, 05:15 PM
zore, you just stole my heart.

bigbootyjudy1
04-14-2012, 05:53 PM
now today i am skipping working because...its depressing to be making less, so i would rather make nothing at all. which makes no sense...buttttt whatever.

Remember you guys some money is better than no money.cuz at the end of the day we still got bills 2 pay.We might not be able to splurge, but lets work to get these bills paid and hope for better days :)

msmochaxx
04-14-2012, 06:02 PM
Remember you guys some money is better than no money.cuz at the end of the day we still got bills 2 pay.We might not be able to splurge, but lets work to get these bills paid and hope for better days :)

I needed to hear that.

roast
04-14-2012, 06:03 PM
Just here to complain that this thread sucks at complaining.

bigbootyjudy1
04-14-2012, 06:23 PM
Just here to complain that this thread sucks at complaining.

LMAO.I like giving people words of encouragement ,I know when im having a hard time it helps me when someone let me know there'll be brighter days :)

justanothercamgirl
04-14-2012, 10:50 PM
first off, it is seasonal. the first two weeks of april are always slower.

secondly, because of my great attitude, ive been lucking out with one guy each time i cam- it only takes one.

ive been doing fine, and as independent contractors, you guys should of been prepared for this and we all know theres slow times and better times in this industry. snap out of it ladies, attitude is everything.

ps- IT IS ALMOST OVER! it will get better.

My problem lately is that SM has been so flakey and fucked that I am not showing up on any of the pages and there is no one coming into my room. When I have been getting guys in private they will immediately get a black screen and then get kicked out of private.

I could have the best attitude in the world -- but if there is no one in my room that I can sell to because my placement is completely fucked and the people who I do end up selling too can't stay in chat because it keeps glitching then it still ain't going to do much to help my current situation.

Marie Thorne
04-15-2012, 08:14 AM
I started camming friday. I had gotten confirmed on chaturbate and had a great night. About 100 bucks for 3 or so hours of work. It was super exciting, I was like woohoo!!!
Then, next day. Saturday, I don't make shit. Maybe I make a dollar or 2, that's it, I think someone bought me a dildo. It's kind of disappointing moving from like, an amazing night to sa shitty one. I really hope I get approved for streamate soon, maybe they'll be better. I like some parts of chaturbate(For one, you can put your amazon wishlist in your profile, so people can buy you things there, which is AWESOME.
I also kept getting asked how old I was and if I was really 18. That got old, fast. Eventually I was bugged by the admins who were basically like "You need to verify your ID", when I had already done it. It was an okay two days, but dayum.

roast
04-15-2012, 08:42 AM
Eventually I was bugged by the admins who were basically like "You need to verify your ID", when I had already done it. It was an okay two days, but dayum.

You were pestered on Chaturbate to verify your ID even though you'd already done it? Wow, look at those growing pains. Glad they followed through with their promise to start actually collecting IDs. They should pay SW a fee for keeping their business legal. JK. Sort of.

Sorcha
04-15-2012, 08:00 PM
Man... are Sundays slow or is it just me? Like, multiple sites. This is pretty bad.

PrincessLuna
04-15-2012, 08:26 PM
Total thread hijack but... how long have you lived in the 'Ham?

Sorcha
04-15-2012, 08:44 PM
I actually live a ways outside the city but list it as my hometown for the purpose of remaining anonymous. You?

bigbootyjudy1
04-15-2012, 08:48 PM
Sundays are my off days.but i know people usually say they bank on Sundays.Maybe its just this Sunday :(

Marina Starr
04-15-2012, 08:54 PM
A girl that recommended me into camming said she banks on Sunday but I guess it really all depends. What would you consider "banking"?


Sundays are my off days.but i know people usually say they bank on Sundays.Maybe its just this Sunday :(

PrincessLuna
04-15-2012, 09:13 PM
Born and raised. I actually just moved to Canada.
To answer the question though, lots of people (including me when I work) consider early am on Sundays to be killer awesome. But it's relative really; based on website mostly I think.

Sorcha
04-15-2012, 09:15 PM
Yeah, I was on MFC today (hated it) imlive (had one show, way slow for me.) and xpeeps (I always make something there, gahhh!!) None of those sites were busy except for freeloaders. Gah!!

Marina Starr
04-15-2012, 09:17 PM
Try Streamate! I'm very happy with the traffic! I hate ImLive!


Yeah, I was on MFC today (hated it) imlive (had one show, way slow for me.) and xpeeps (I always make something there, gahhh!!) None of those sites were busy except for freeloaders. Gah!!

Sorcha
04-15-2012, 09:21 PM
I actually make more with imlive, typically. I haven't been on SM in a minute. Maybe I need to. I have a Domme profile but maybe I should also make a girl alone/toys profile for when I'm feeling frisky. Which usually happens a few hours after Domming all these slutty slaves. :) hehehe.