View Full Version : The General Purpose "Camming Sucks Right Now" Thread
Ms.Lacey
02-12-2014, 12:42 PM
lol no they want us to bust a dilly out and go to town on the vagina... How else would we prove we are not boring?
Smh so rude. I would've said "Then why are you still here? You can go somewhere else if you feel that way. No one is forcing you to stay in my boring ass room. Insert eyeroll".
I think some guys say this to try an get a rise out of us or they hope that we will prove to them that we aren't boring by getting up dancing, showing our tits, etc.
Smurfette
02-12-2014, 03:01 PM
^^ Wow Ms. Lacey... those quotes in your sig. LMAO
Holly_xoxo
02-12-2014, 03:29 PM
Thirty minutes on SM and not one person has even said hi to me. I'd be happy if a "sho titz bb" guy came in right now. At least it would be someone talking with me Lol
TattooedBBW
02-12-2014, 03:42 PM
The SM traffic has sucked serious ballsacks for me this week too gah!
Thirty minutes on SM and not one person has even said hi to me. I'd be happy if a "sho titz bb" guy came in right now. At least it would be someone talking with me Lol
Marina Starr
02-12-2014, 03:50 PM
Hang in there! Same thing happened to me last night then BAM I got some long privates! At first I thought it was my red lips because I always rock pink, lol!
Thirty minutes on SM and not one person has even said hi to me. I'd be happy if a "sho titz bb" guy came in right now. At least it would be someone talking with me Lol
Holly_xoxo
02-12-2014, 03:58 PM
You're both right! SM has sucked salty balls lately and two minutes after I made that post, someone said hello to me and *gasp* went pvt!
I was saved before going in to a complete catonic stupor ;)
Staples
02-12-2014, 04:08 PM
I've found that with SM I have to make myself stick out a certain amount of time. If I log off early because I've been having bad traffic I'm definitely not going to make money. But, 9 times out of 10, if I stick out my shift someone will come along and save me.
Renton
02-12-2014, 04:16 PM
I've found that with SM I have to make myself stick out a certain amount of time. If I log off early because I've been having bad traffic I'm definitely not going to make money. But, 9 times out of 10, if I stick out my shift someone will come along and save me.
same here! I can make nothing the first hour and when I go on a break after 3 hours I'm over my goal :) just stay put! I know it's hard but being broke is harder
Marina Starr
02-12-2014, 04:19 PM
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/V4zDu_zps74d83c24.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/V4zDu_zps74d83c24.gif.html)
I know it's hard but being broke is harder
Sunnylexie
02-12-2014, 10:19 PM
Speaking of naked girls "not affecting anyone's earnings but their own": directly, they don't, but actually, they do affect other's earnings by spawning numberless entitled freeloaders who leech other models' time and energy. For me, camming would be much easier without all the loudmouths sitting in MY chat and yelling that I'm not gonna be making any money wearing clothes when there are 100 other girls using a toy/2 fingers/a cropped microthong to cover up just their pussyhole and not even the labia.
Staples
02-13-2014, 05:14 AM
This has nothing to do with camming but here goes... I buy myself quick and easy foods that I can grab and eat when I'm on a 10 minute break from Streamate... I have a roommate... She is CONSTANTLY eating or drinking the stuff that I buy. I don't mind sharing, I really don't but she always eats the last of stuff that I consider my "work food". I've started keeping most of it in my cam room but I can't keep the stuff the needs to be in the refrigerator or freezer in there. I'm really pissed right now because I only had one breakfast sandwich left and I can't go grocery shopping until tomorrow and the little bitch ate it! Why the FUCK would you eat the last of something you didn't buy? If there are several left then go for it, eat one but DON'T EAT THE LAST ONE WHEN YOU KNOW I'M LOW ON CASH UNTIL PAYDAY!
Ok... rant done.
TeenageAnnie
02-13-2014, 05:44 AM
I never said this before but I am going to say it now. I really don't care about other models feelings or this whole BS online community crap. I've been on this site long enough where I just don't give a rat's ass anymore.
and as for my attitude it is just fine at the end of the day no one really cares what other people are doing. they just want to hear them selves talk and give uninvited advice.
I care what others are doing, it's something you need to know in business.. what your competition is up to. i find this site really helpful and interesting and it's the first place i go to find a review on things that help my business.
anonymous camgirl
02-13-2014, 08:15 AM
buy a mini fridge .. there problem solved!...hehe
This has nothing to do with camming but here goes... I buy myself quick and easy foods that I can grab and eat when I'm on a 10 minute break from Streamate... I have a roommate... She is CONSTANTLY eating or drinking the stuff that I buy. I don't mind sharing, I really don't but she always eats the last of stuff that I consider my "work food". I've started keeping most of it in my cam room but I can't keep the stuff the needs to be in the refrigerator or freezer in there. I'm really pissed right now because I only had one breakfast sandwich left and I can't go grocery shopping until tomorrow and the little bitch ate it! Why the FUCK would you eat the last of something you didn't buy? If there are several left then go for it, eat one but DON'T EAT THE LAST ONE WHEN YOU KNOW I'M LOW ON CASH UNTIL PAYDAY!
Ok... rant done.
Staples
02-13-2014, 08:18 AM
Lol I totally would but I'm camming in a walk-in closet right now and it won't fit. (Long story as to why I'm there)
Although, I guess I could get one and keep it in mine and my boyfriends bedroom... Yeah that's a good idea.
kortneykay
02-13-2014, 08:44 AM
Girls showing pussy in their chats might affect your earnings, but they don't personally affect mine. I'm doing better now than I've done in 6 years of camming off and on. Also, if you bring in your own traffic to help boost your sales (cammodel's link) you can too avoid other girls affecting your earnings. Freeloaders are here to stay but since they don't buy from me, they don't affect me. I still happen to have more customers than freeloaders and if the sites were overrun with them, I'd still know how to bring paying members to my chat.
chloemonet
02-13-2014, 11:13 AM
when every guy on SM thinks my chat room is suddenly a dating site.
lostandconfused: hi bb, where you from?
me: *says a location that isn't theirs*
lostandconfused: *leaves*
-_- the worst is when they try to convince you how perfect you are for them / how we should meet up to fuck or something else equally gross and unappealing. no thank you.
lemonberry
02-13-2014, 11:26 AM
I hate when a shift starts out awesome then comes to a screeching halt. First its like "Yay this is awesome, why has it been so hard for me to get motivated to get on cam for the last week?"
Then it dies. So one hour later its more like "Aw fuck now I remember why I haven't wanted to work lately' -_-
apryll11
02-13-2014, 01:17 PM
Lol I totally would but I'm camming in a walk-in closet right now and it won't fit. (Long story as to why I'm there)
Although, I guess I could get one and keep it in mine and my boyfriends bedroom... Yeah that's a good idea.
oddly enough the regular size (basic) fridges are cheap then a mini one, if you have the space for it that is. Have it delivered when you know she'll be out and just starve that bitch to death. You might need a new roommate but at least you can eat a breakfast sandwich as you interview
TheBrownFox
02-13-2014, 03:11 PM
Fuck you, shitty-ass winter weather! That is all.....
AliceFun
02-13-2014, 03:29 PM
^^^ I would get very pissed if somebody did that to me, dont mess with my food haha! I would do something similar to her to piss her off, eventually get HER food or use some other stuff, dont know, the bitch needs a lesson for sure.
KikiGem
02-13-2014, 03:57 PM
Newbie stripper rant- For one why is everyone in charge of this club a man? To me it makes no damn sense to have a bunch of dudes running a nudie club. I think if you've never gone on a stage, worked a pole and flashed your body in some horndog's face for some ones you have no earthly right or privilege to be in charge of fifty women who do that.
Second I get seniority, but how do you expect me to make any money working weekday day shifts? Why don't you not hire everyone who walks through the door then if there's not enough room? Or maybe help some serious girls get a leg in by firing the trouble makers, thieves and druggies who advertise their insanity and make everyone suffer for it?
Third, fully grown women whining like schoolchildren over "who stole my baby wipes" and "I hate that bitch.." and blah blah blah... Grow the hell up ladies! I'm not perfect but at least when I go to work.. I'm there to work. Also yes, it is frustrating when you go on stage and you see people watching yet nobody's tipping, but yelling at some guy from halfway across the room is not going to help!! And then storming into the dressing room to complain is just going to bring everybody else down too.
Camgirl rant- Nothing is working today- not my encoder, my webcam or even my hair so I can take some freaking pictures. Last night on CB was horrible and I got so discouraged after some jackass decided to tell me that my goal was too high and I'd never reach it.
Also stop telling me that now you're about to explode after stumbling on my page. If you appreciate the show, tip, because I am not flattered and I don't care. The only reason I let people with no tokens talk in my room is because is helps my viewership.. IDK how, but when I silence greys my viewership and income goes down. So they can talk but they're on a short leash...
Personal life rant- I'm stuck at home without a car and we just got a foot of snow. My next shift at the club is Saturday at 3 pm. Idk if I'll be able to make it. Today I am on edge and every little thing is getting under my skin. People are pounding at my door and barging in, and I'm losing it in my own controlled way by posting my thoughts on SW. I don't have anyone else in my life to talk to and being at home all day makes me realize it, and sometimes I feel very sad. And did I mention my hair won't behave?
So I was really excited to start camming, I started two nights ago and I've only made about 14 bucks in two "shifts" and now my camscore is 700. I dance/striptease to music and several guys hang out the whole time I'm on but they don't tip/aren't premium. Is it necessary to go private and masturbate/skype and masturbate/masturbate in free show to make any money on MFC? I've done a cum show or two on MyGirlFund and the guys were almost ALWAYS assholes. I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong or what I can change.
caymarie2140
02-14-2014, 07:32 AM
Thirty minutes on SM and not one person has even said hi to me. I'd be happy if a "sho titz bb" guy came in right now. At least it would be someone talking with me Lol
Right!!!? Like goodness I don't even care if the next person who comes gives me money...just talk to me! My goodness being alone sucks!
caymarie2140
02-14-2014, 07:32 AM
Thirty minutes on SM and not one person has even said hi to me. I'd be happy if a "sho titz bb" guy came in right now. At least it would be someone talking with me Lol
Right!!!? Like goodness I don't even care if the next person who comes gives me money...just talk to me! My goodness being alone sucks!
Glamourmilf
02-14-2014, 08:05 AM
^^ over 100 peep in my chat for the past hour, and only a few said hi, and only 1 went in for a minue prvt. weirdness. bye bye vday
VictoriaChaos
02-14-2014, 08:48 AM
Less than minimum wage in two hours.
Seriously streamate?
Why ya gotta piss in my cheerios?
luvnrockets
02-14-2014, 12:56 PM
Camming SUUUUCCCKKKSSS. lol on and off and barely on at all for over a month...apparently is not a good idea. But I had to!
Blovely
02-14-2014, 01:23 PM
Why ya gotta piss in my cheerios?
I'm sorry but I laughed at this.
KikiGem
02-14-2014, 06:27 PM
It sucks today because Valentine's day is slow as hell and my mods flooded my room with gifs so I logged off. Going back on hopefully someone will take me prvt. Or at least tip. Also someone told me they bought me something off my wishlist but this person didn't even have tokens so I'm not expecting anything!
pippapippa
02-14-2014, 09:56 PM
Who are these people on tonight? First private: let me see your ass so I can come quick. Uh... no.
Procrasturbator
02-15-2014, 12:41 AM
50 minutes... no pvts. I was 10 minutes away from throwing in the towel when a GOLD (second highest spending tier) member who'd been lurking my room earlier took me pvt. Yay, right?
Yeah, I made a whole $0.30 off of that guy. Oh, and as I was writing this up I got another peeper.
Welp, it's been exactly an hour...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bc1sfsvJ_G4/UKvP2UXidxI/AAAAAAAAHCs/z9rkaUfS1oE/s640/cartman-screw-you-guys.jpg
Marina Starr
02-16-2014, 11:56 AM
Just because you are nice and polite to a man, why does he assume that you're flirting and want to sleep with him?! Is it because I am a Transsexual? God DAMMMMMNNNN!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/tumblr_mjnmzcU7UM1qf5yxvo1_400_zps88e0f92f.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/tumblr_mjnmzcU7UM1qf5yxvo1_400_zps88e0f92f.gif.htm l)
Fitandpretty
02-16-2014, 12:19 PM
[QUOTE=Marina Starr;2593981]Just because you are nice and polite to a man, why does he assume that you're flirting and want to sleep with him?! Is it because I am a Transsexual? God DAMMMMMNNNN!
http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t94/tsmelania/tumblr_mjnmzcU7UM1qf5yxvo1_400_zps88e0f92f.gif (http://s158.photobucket.com/user/tsmelania/media/tumblr_mjnmzcU7UM1qf5yxvo1_400_zps88e0f92f.gif.htm l)[/QUOTE. ]
Because most men believe that they are the most gorgeous things on the planet, how could you NOT want to be with them? Lol.
Marina Starr
02-16-2014, 12:22 PM
LMAO! True. Even the ugliest ones think that they can fuck anyone. I JUST CAN'T.
Because most men believe that they are the most gorgeous things on the planet, how could you NOT want to be with them? Lol.
Fitandpretty
02-16-2014, 12:33 PM
Trust me I'm sure he was waaaaay more attracted to you than the other way around.
Smurfette
02-16-2014, 12:59 PM
My vent for today.. I think I'm looking HOT AS HELL this morning but apparently that's not enough to get people spending $$ on me. Are they blind?!
Also, guy messaged me with a custom request for Clips4Sale. I give him a fair quote and turnaround time. He replies with, "Okay go ahead and film it, but to be honest I may not be able to buy it right away because another girl just posted a similar clip on her store at the regular price."
Right. Let me just get right on filming that clip for you then, which you won't pay for. Okay.
Procrasturbator
02-16-2014, 01:46 PM
Alright, I need to vent about IML.
1) They're late with payment. Again. I wouldn't mind this so much if they were honest about it but they insist on covering their asses and saying that they already sent it but Payoneer may take up to 48 hours to process it. Bulllllshit. I have never had that kind of issue with another Payoneer partner and even if it was on Payoneer's end, if they'd already sent payment then wouldn't some girls have gotten their money? AFAIK no one has. So somehow Payoneer just magically stopped working, specifically for IML girls, all at the same time? Last time this happened they eventually admitted that they were working on sending payment (after they said they'd already did it) and that it would take another day. That's fine. Inconvenient, but it happens. It's the lying that pisses me off.
2) On that note... I'm on a roll with IML's dishonesty lol. The way they talk about their "no chargebacks" policy is just sleazy:
"No Chargebacks - Forever is a reality at ImLive.com!
NOT a campaign!
We have changed ImLive chargebacks policy and we are absorbing 100% of Hosts chargebacks.
We are doing everything in our power to protect your earnings and give you better reasons to choose us are your business partner! Although chargeback deductions are a burden on both ImLive and on you, we've decided from now on to absorb it all.
Our Hosts will not receive chargebacks again!
We will, however, keep the right to deduct chargebacks on rare situations where fraudulent Host activities are suspected or if chargebacks exceed 15% of the periodic earnings average. So let ImLive fully take on itself ALL your chargebacks so that your earnings will never be harmed!
No Chargebacks - Forever is a reality at ImLive.com"
It's like when someone unnecessarily overuses the terms "I promise" and "you can trust me". It makes me think that I can't. IML does not absorb "100% of Hosts chargebacks", they do not "absorb it all", some hosts will receive chargebacks again, they do not take on themselves "ALL (capital letters!) your chargebacks", your earnings may not "never" be harmed, and why do they insist that this is "reality"? Thou doth protest too much.
I don't even have a problem with the actual chargeback policy. I don't have a problem with them saying "no chargebacks" for brevity's sake. But why do they insist on being dishonest by using absolute terms like "100%", "ALL", "forever", "never", etc when that isn't the case?
EDIT: Aaaand my card just got loaded, yay! But I stand by what I said :P
TattooedBBW
02-16-2014, 02:04 PM
Just have to vent that my cam room is ALWAYS freezing!!!!! Grrrrrr
Marina Starr
02-16-2014, 04:09 PM
Oh wow! Just made my day!
It's because you're a fox, and they're optimistic.
TheBrownFox
02-16-2014, 04:17 PM
When a guy insists you call/text if you'd like a ride somewhere, and then the one time you do he's like "So am I your taxi driver now or what?" *sigh* Nah...you're just another phony guy pretending to be generous to try to get laid...I guess? And no, I don't think I "took it the wrong way." I'll get to my destination on my own without you...peace!
I should've known better though. Somebody's always got an agenda.
ZafinaX
02-16-2014, 06:08 PM
^^^OMG I cannot stand those kind of men. The ones who insists you come to them if you need something and the one time you do go for help, all of a sudden you're "asking for too much" unless he's getting something in return and money is an option, but not the first way he'd like for you to pay back. Ugh.
And today is so freaking annoying with SM. I was in a private and about a minute into the privates, my "start/end my show" button turns off by itself, forcing me to close my paid chats! It happened TWICE today! WTF????
And then, as I'm trying to change my avatar, all the files I try to upload or the web sites I give into the custom avatar area are "invalid." Idgi.
Procrasturbator
02-17-2014, 01:33 AM
Bra sizes are stupid.
I've always just kind of tried on bras around the 34B range and gotten whatever fits best. This is exhausting and is the main reason that I only own 2 bras. One of them (super unsexy no underwire kind of bra) is 36A. However it's so stretchy and comfy that I could probably wear it comfortably even if my boobs were 3x bigger. The other (sexy push up underwire bra that I wear for camming) is 32D. Yeah, obviously I doubt that either of those is accurate.
But lately I've been feeling that I might have upgraded to a C cup so I tried to calculate my bra size with one of those find-your-real-bra-size guides and... it says I'm a 32GG. Hahahahahaha. The next one I tried said I was a 38G. Obviously, I doubt either of those is correct, either. Now, don't get me wrong, if I could get away with plastering "32GG" all over my profile I totally would, but considering how many guys comment on my "tiny sexy tits" I don't think that would go over too well.
Considering I don't wear bras most of the time and my main purpose for trying to calculate my size was for bragging rights on my profile I guess it's not that big of a deal... but it's still frustrating when I see other ladies advertising their super specific bra sizes and I just say I'm a B cup because I've assumed I was a B cup since I was like 14. :(
EDIT: ... Now I'm looking at example pictures and I don't even know anymore. Mind blown.
Sabihah
02-17-2014, 03:27 AM
When I buy cheap bras, I'm usually a 34C. However, nothing from Victoria's Secret smaller than a 34D will fit me. My boobs literally overflow in their C-cups.
But hey, on the bright side: the way fashion retailers are tripping over themselves to flatter us with their sizing, eventually we'll all be size 0s with 36G busts! :P
...sigh.
RedFairy
02-17-2014, 09:28 AM
My connection speed is normally around 0,40 Mbps, and it jumps at 4-5 Mpbs with Hotspot Shield. But Hotspot Shield isn't working now, it just can't connect. Oh, and 0,40 Mpbs is not low by any means in my country... you can have a super download speed, but upload? Hell no, it's just not possible. Damn.
Edit: ok, Hotspot Shield is working now but it can't help me today. My connection is actually a bit slower than before. I don't know if I can work like this, I'm new on the sites I'm currently working and I feel a little bit nervous and this doesn't help. I'll see if it gets better in a few hours and if it doesn't, whatever... I just have to work with what I have.
ashley jane
02-17-2014, 12:15 PM
Bra sizes are stupid.
I've always just kind of tried on bras around the 34B range and gotten whatever fits best. This is exhausting and is the main reason that I only own 2 bras. One of them (super unsexy no underwire kind of bra) is 36A. However it's so stretchy and comfy that I could probably wear it comfortably even if my boobs were 3x bigger. The other (sexy push up underwire bra that I wear for camming) is 32D. Yeah, obviously I doubt that either of those is accurate.
But lately I've been feeling that I might have upgraded to a C cup so I tried to calculate my bra size with one of those find-your-real-bra-size guides and... it says I'm a 32GG. Hahahahahaha. The next one I tried said I was a 38G. Obviously, I doubt either of those is correct, either. Now, don't get me wrong, if I could get away with plastering "32GG" all over my profile I totally would, but considering how many guys comment on my "tiny sexy tits" I don't think that would go over too well.
Considering I don't wear bras most of the time and my main purpose for trying to calculate my size was for bragging rights on my profile I guess it's not that big of a deal... but it's still frustrating when I see other ladies advertising their super specific bra sizes and I just say I'm a B cup because I've assumed I was a B cup since I was like 14. :(
EDIT: ... Now I'm looking at example pictures and I don't even know anymore. Mind blown.
I used to be a "bra specialist" in my retail job. They just gave us a sheet of paper and said that's how you get a bra size. Most of the time it's wrong and people would complain or they think whatever size I tell them that's what they are in every bra and that's not right. I kinda came up with my own formula and it worked a lot better.
Wonderbra, Maidenform, most other push up bras are smaller and considered Junior/Average.
Bali and Playtex are fuller figure and usually start in a C cup
Vanity Fair is average
I see that Maidenform now has DD sizes but I haven't worked in that section to try them on so I can't tell if they're average or what. I used to always buy Vanity Fair but they discontinued my fave bra and now none fit me right. When I worked in that dept I used to try on all the bras so I knew how they fit and could find bras now I just buy whatever and hope for the best.
Lady Mondegreen
02-17-2014, 05:50 PM
Bra sizes are weird because cup size isn't static, it's based on band size. And what band size works best depends on the bra materials and style (different stretchyness, etc.) Thus why I fit best a 32G, 34FF, 36F, and could probably wear a longline 38DDD if it was firm enough around me. (or sometimes a different size because a brand or style runs big or small! woooo.) In the same brand, a 36A and a 34B should in fact fit breasts of identical size.
http://www.venusianglow.com/p/bra-matrix.html
Things that piss me off: men who think they know shit about bra sizes. Dude, most WOMEN are confused by bra sizes. Unless you are a certified lingere designer, shut the hell up. Especially if you see my large-but-not-enormous breasts and decide I must be a C-cup ahahahahhahahahaha.
JaneBurgess
02-17-2014, 06:34 PM
Go to a bra shop when you can and have then measure you. I guess we can wear two sizes, which was a surprise. I'm a 36C or a 32 D
Bra sizes are stupid.
I've always just kind of tried on bras around the 34B range and gotten whatever fits best. This is exhausting and is the main reason that I only own 2 bras. One of them (super unsexy no underwire kind of bra) is 36A. However it's so stretchy and comfy that I could probably wear it comfortably even if my boobs were 3x bigger. The other (sexy push up underwire bra that I wear for camming) is 32D. Yeah, obviously I doubt that either of those is accurate.
But lately I've been feeling that I might have upgraded to a C cup so I tried to calculate my bra size with one of those find-your-real-bra-size guides and... it says I'm a 32GG. Hahahahahaha. The next one I tried said I was a 38G. Obviously, I doubt either of those is correct, either. Now, don't get me wrong, if I could get away with plastering "32GG" all over my profile I totally would, but considering how many guys comment on my "tiny sexy tits" I don't think that would go over too well.
Considering I don't wear bras most of the time and my main purpose for trying to calculate my size was for bragging rights on my profile I guess it's not that big of a deal... but it's still frustrating when I see other ladies advertising their super specific bra sizes and I just say I'm a B cup because I've assumed I was a B cup since I was like 14. :(
EDIT: ... Now I'm looking at example pictures and I don't even know anymore. Mind blown.
Lola12
02-18-2014, 06:29 AM
Camming sucks because I only made 100 tk in 5 h today! :banghead: Everything was going so well with my new account and all. I even wrote in the "camming rocks" tread! I made 8000 tk in just private on valentines day, not even doing nude stuff, + i've made pretty good money every day, besides from yesterday and today which surprised me. I asked a visitor if my new model stamp is gone, and yes it was. That's probably my biggest issue. I'm not so hot anymore, and here I thought I had made a fan base... Guess not. No, I can't struggle like this. It's pissing me of. From tomorrow and forward I will start by sitting topless, tips or no tips. I need to show i'm there to have fun and attract more people.
I also know that teasing and doing naughty stuff (lol) is very, very good to attract more people to your room. But, can I serioulsy do that when it's just me, or like 3 people in there? And also if no one has asked me to? Would that be weird? ;D
SexyAleks
02-18-2014, 07:17 AM
It's the same for me, I can wear both 34B (which is the most common size anyway), or 32C, and don't see any difference.
ashley jane
02-18-2014, 09:45 AM
It's the same for me, I can wear both 34B (which is the most common size anyway), or 32C, and don't see any difference.
That's called swing size. If you go up in the number the smaller the cup. The bigger the cup get a smaller number.