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yoda57us
06-26-2012, 04:33 AM
Odd that yoda and yourself would recommend that type of response because a while ago dancers here were saying that "I'm good" made them mad, since they interpreted it to mean something like "I'm quite good just sitting here without you, thank you very much. You may leave me now".

What is actually odd about it Hopper? The fact that it's an honest response intended to prevent a dancer from wasting her time on a guy who isn't interested in spending money? We as customers are not responsible for how some dancers may interpret a few simple words. If they just got out of VIP with a guy and made $$$ they may smile politely and walk away after our refusal. OTOH, if you are the tenth guy in a row to say "no thanks" they may start to be getting angry or desperate and react a little differently. Our intent is the same either way. Their situation in the club is not our problem and a good dancer won't make it our problem.

Hopper
06-26-2012, 06:57 PM
^ I don't think it is an odd response. I agree with you. The only odd thing about it is that I recall a number of dancers here getting hot about guys who give that response, yet it is one you routinely use yourself and dancers here generally approve of your comments here and your behavior at clubs.

yoda57us
06-26-2012, 08:15 PM
Honestly Hopper I don't recall any dancer saying she has an issue with a guy saying he is all set when she tries to sell him a dance. Maybe your reading in sections that I don't bother with but the general consensus here in customer convo seems to be that dancers appeciate it when you don't waste their time.

Hopper
06-26-2012, 11:07 PM
^ I remember it, because I thought it was odd. Like, you, I didn't see what the big deal was. It was a couple of years ago in one of the customer sections you probably do read. The response they didn't like was "I'm good", which isn't exactly "I'm all set", which is what you say. I think what annoyed them about "I'm good" was that it appeared abrupt and dismissive.

rickdugan
06-27-2012, 04:44 AM
^ I remember it, because I thought it was odd. Like, you, I didn't see what the big deal was. It was a couple of years ago in one of the customer sections you probably do read. The response they didn't like was "I'm good", which isn't exactly "I'm all set", which is what you say. I think what annoyed them about "I'm good" was that it appeared abrupt and dismissive.

In any population of people you will have different reactions to the same comments. IME most dancers do appreciate not wasting time. However, there are some girls who just react badly to having their sales efforts cut short, regardless of whether one uses "I'm all set", "I'm good but thank you" or any other words or phrasing. C'est la vie. You cannot please everyone all of the time. Further, being overly sensitive about "rejecting" a girl in a SC will lead to a lot of wasted entertainment time as well as expenditures that you do not want to make.

Kellydancer
06-27-2012, 01:43 PM
I'd rather he tell me upfront not interested politely then after I spent time with him. Then again I worked busy clubs with tons of customers and I was usually a popular dancer so that might make a difference.

Hopper
06-28-2012, 12:54 AM
In any population of people you will have different reactions to the same comments. IME most dancers do appreciate not wasting time. However, there are some girls who just react badly to having their sales efforts cut short, regardless of whether one uses "I'm all set", "I'm good but thank you" or any other words or phrasing. C'est la vie. You cannot please everyone all of the time. Further, being overly sensitive about "rejecting" a girl in a SC will lead to a lot of wasted entertainment time as well as expenditures that you do not want to make.

I think what they objected to was the way in which it was cut short. They thought that "I'm good" sounded smug or something. I can agree with them about that. I'm not overly sensitive about dancer reactions, I just do what I can to avoid giving them a reason to react badly. As customers we learn here about what to do or not do to avoid annoying dancers. Whether or not dancers have good reason to be offended by "I'm good", the fact is some are and and after reading about it I made a point to not say that particular phrase. Instead, I say "No thank you", which also does not waste their time. I can't please everyone, but if avoiding one little phrase will lower the rate of annoying dancers I'm willing to do it.

Well
07-06-2012, 09:28 PM
I usually say no thank you. Sometimes I change my mind later on and ask them but they kinda rudely decline I didn't get upset though I mean I saved a lot of money by not getting dances. Just remember a no can turn to a yes later on, there can a number of reasons why doesn't want a dance.. Maybe he just want a few drinks to wind down.
Also it's never a waste of time if you learned something. It's only a waste of time if you didn't learn something. Maybe you can learn some clues when a guy isn't really interested. I suggest you pay attention.

Remember also other customers are watching you. If you get upset or they can sense negative vibes they might avoid you.

TheWeirdOne
07-07-2012, 02:44 PM
I think crowds tend to do this more...I've had crowds of youngish guys on weekends who won't pay any money around their buddies, but as soon as I isolated one of the individuals, he'd suddenly start buying dances and tipping well. I figured this was some weird male dynamic about not appearing like you need to pay for attention in front of your friends.

Isolated LOL. I can picture this taking place in the animal kingdom.

hotexoticdw
08-04-2012, 05:25 PM
You would be surprised in some clubs just how many girls jump all over us guys the second we sit down. Some don't even wait that long but want to rush into trying to talk us into a dance. I can think of a number of times I just walked into a club to get grinded on from a low stage in a few joints and the most I had to spend was $10.00 in $1.00 bills. Obviously in that case it didn't matter how beautiful the girl was, I didn't have the cash.

Sometimes the conversation affects things. If a girl walked up, jumped on my lap, started saying extremely offensive things to me, I would probably leave. If she sat on my lap and tried to con me with the waitress for pricey drinks then yeah I would be upset there too.

Yes, there are a lot of occasions when a girl is just outright hideous to me and no offense to her (she is probably somebody elses dream girl, I have very eccentric tastes anyway) but I don't want a dance from someone I am just outright not attracted to in any way.

It takes time and experience to realize the following:

1.) the girls who are randomly talking to you usually want dances, even if a few genuinely want to chill
2.) if you politely let them know you are not interested in a dance, it is better than stringing them along and it isn't rude, in fact it is rude not to

Now I have a question, does it seem rude to give a small tip to a girl who sat with you for a while just because you wanted to make sure she was given at least something for the time? Does that suggest anything wrong or is that considerate? I feel awkward at times and pull out a couple of dollars as a girl leaves when I let her know I am not interested just to say, "Hey, I want you to have something for your time and effort at least". However I don't want to seem like I am treating the girl like an escort and offend her, not that I see shame in being an escort but I know some women do.

yoda57us
08-04-2012, 08:24 PM
Now I have a question, does it seem rude to give a small tip to a girl who sat with you for a while just because you wanted to make sure she was given at least something for the time? Does that suggest anything wrong or is that considerate? I feel awkward at times and pull out a couple of dollars as a girl leaves when I let her know I am not interested just to say, "Hey, I want you to have something for your time and effort at least". However I don't want to seem like I am treating the girl like an escort and offend her, not that I see shame in being an escort but I know some women do.

Doesn't seem rude to me at all. How do the girls react when you do this?

lopaw
08-04-2012, 09:07 PM
Now I have a question, does it seem rude to give a small tip to a girl who sat with you for a while just because you wanted to make sure she was given at least something for the time? Does that suggest anything wrong or is that considerate? I feel awkward at times and pull out a couple of dollars as a girl leaves when I let her know I am not interested just to say, "Hey, I want you to have something for your time and effort at least". However I don't want to seem like I am treating the girl like an escort and offend her, not that I see shame in being an escort but I know some women do.


I'll often offer dancers some $$ if I know that I won't be getting any dances and she's been sitting with me and chatting. No one has ever seemed offended....why would they? They are there to earn their money, whether it be for stage dancing, lap dancing, or doing the GFE thing by sitting and talking. Interestingly, many dancers have politely refused my tip money for their time, instead suggesting that the next time I'm at the club I instead use that cash to try a lapdance with them :).


@yoda - you sure do seem to be posting alot of double-doubles lately......itchy trigger finger? :D

rickdugan
08-04-2012, 09:12 PM
Now I have a question, does it seem rude to give a small tip to a girl who sat with you for a while just because you wanted to make sure she was given at least something for the time? Does that suggest anything wrong or is that considerate? I feel awkward at times and pull out a couple of dollars as a girl leaves when I let her know I am not interested just to say, "Hey, I want you to have something for your time and effort at least". However I don't want to seem like I am treating the girl like an escort and offend her, not that I see shame in being an escort but I know some women do.

I agree with Yoda that this doesn't seem rude at all. The only caveat I'll throw out there is that if the girl sat with you for an extended length of time, she might find this to be a little insulting. If you are not really looking for a dance, then IMHO you should (1) let her know this in the early stages so that she can leave if she wishes; or (2) if you did not send her away and she is with you for some time, then you might want to give her a bit more than a "couple of dollars."

hotexoticdw
08-04-2012, 09:38 PM
@Yoda they usually act cute and have me put the tip between their breasts so that's kinda nice. I just feel bad every single time I have to send a girl away without a dance tbh.

Kellydancer
08-06-2012, 12:31 PM
I had customers who paid me to sit with them so no I don't consider this rude. I suppose the way it could be rude is if you ask them to sit for a long time then pay something offensive, like let's say $5 for them sitting with you for an hour. Generally the customers I had who I sat with paid me the same or close to it that I would have made with dances. Some actually paid me more just to sit and listen to them.

hotexoticdw
08-06-2012, 12:43 PM
^ That sounds fair to me.

Hopper
08-10-2012, 02:19 AM
Now I have a question, does it seem rude to give a small tip to a girl who sat with you for a while just because you wanted to make sure she was given at least something for the time? Does that suggest anything wrong or is that considerate? I feel awkward at times and pull out a couple of dollars as a girl leaves when I let her know I am not interested just to say, "Hey, I want you to have something for your time and effort at least". However I don't want to seem like I am treating the girl like an escort and offend her, not that I see shame in being an escort but I know some women do.

I tip girls for conversation if I don't buy a dance from them and if I feel it was interesting, because it was time which they could have spent hustling other customers for dances and possibly dancing. If they were only hustling or if they were just taking time out, I don't feel obliged to pay them. Sometimes I get into actual interesting conversations with dancers while they could be working, so I like to give them something for it. Not as much as I would for a dance of course but enough so that it was not a total waste of their time. I don't actually ask them to sit with me, they just do it voluntarily. In these cases we don't talk for any great length of time, usually about ten minutes.

joyluckstripclub
08-13-2012, 06:18 PM
I know right away if Im going to buy dances or not. If Im not, then I decline the company. However, many dancers get upset at not even having to opportunity to talk me into a dance. So on one hand a customer might be wasting a dancer's time, while on the other hand is seen as an asshole for declining the opportunity to see an talk.

hotexoticdw
08-13-2012, 06:35 PM
I know right away if Im going to buy dances or not. If Im not, then I decline the company. However, many dancers get upset at not even having to opportunity to talk me into a dance. So on one hand a customer might be wasting a dancer's time, while on the other hand is seen as an asshole for declining the opportunity to see an talk.

Good question, that does happen a lot. If you outright tell a dancer, "I am not interested in a dance" or "I am just tipping right now" a lot that I have met tend to kind of stare and wait for an explanation before finally walking away. High pressure sales must be expected though right?

rickdugan
08-13-2012, 06:48 PM
However, many dancers get upset at not even having to opportunity to talk me into a dance. So on one hand a customer might be wasting a dancer's time, while on the other hand is seen as an asshole for declining the opportunity to see an talk.

To be perfectly honest, I find it much more productive to worry about how I feel about my time being wasted rather than worrying about how she will react when I decline company. Now more times than not being polite about it will spare you any overly bad reactions, but there is a small % of girls who will react badly no matter what you do. Too bad.

In my younger years and particularly in certain aggressive clubs scattered around the country, I learned the hard way that if you do not control your space, then others will control it for you. That is a bad position to be in as you are giving over your power to decide who you spend your time with to the most aggressive and desperate dancers in the club.

Kessler
08-14-2012, 01:57 AM
If you're not going to get a dance, then as soon as you know, let her know POLITELY without cutting her off abruptly. Here's how it usually works for me:

"Hi there, sweetie! I'm Destiny Glitter Sparkles. What's your name?" Dancer sits and shakes my hand.
"Kessler. Nice to meet you, Destiny."
"Nice to meet you! How's your night going, babe?"
"Very well, thanks. Listen, I know how valuable your time is, so I just want to let you know that I'm not going to get any dances at the moment OR I'm actually waiting for someone."
How she usually responds: "Oh! Okay. Sure I can't change your mind? OR Does she know you're here? Thanks for letting me know, hun I'll swing by later, okay?" She gets up and leaves.

And that's that. If she throws a fit, well, I tried to be as respectful as possible. Can't do much more than that.

joyluckstripclub
08-14-2012, 07:31 AM
Destiny Glitter Sparkles? Is she a short redhead with a half-moon tattoo on her left elbow, and always dances to David Lee Roth's "Just A Gigilolo (I Ain't Got Nobody)"?

Kessler
08-14-2012, 06:12 PM
^ Holy shit, you know her too??? ;)

yoda57us
08-14-2012, 06:22 PM
OK, you guys both know her. It's a violation of policy to "out" anyone here on the board so lets put an end to the discussion about this particular lady before one of you posts something that I have to delete...

Thomas01
08-14-2012, 07:25 PM
......

Kessler
08-14-2012, 08:01 PM
I thought he was kidding. I was kidding too. Seriously. I made the name up because it sounded like the most generic over-the-top stripper name possible. You mean there's actually a Destiny Glitter Sparkles??? Holy shit, can I meet her?

Amareth
08-15-2012, 09:34 PM
What really bothers me are the guys that reply "I don't want to waste your time but here's my life story and why it relates to the fact that I am unable to get a dance from you right now" I've even had times where while trying to leave they've grabbed my arm to continue telling me how sorry they are and they mean no offense they just really don't want to waste my time. I've stopped being polite and pretending to care for 30 seconds now I just walk away sometimes interrupting them with "Time. Being. Wasted. Must go!"

Seriously, a simple "no, thanks" or "I'm waiting for someone else" is fine.

hotexoticdw
08-16-2012, 10:08 AM
What really bothers me are the guys that reply "I don't want to waste your time but here's my life story and why it relates to the fact that I am unable to get a dance from you right now" I've even had times where while trying to leave they've grabbed my arm to continue telling me how sorry they are and they mean no offense they just really don't want to waste my time. I've stopped being polite and pretending to care for 30 seconds now I just walk away sometimes interrupting them with "Time. Being. Wasted. Must go!"

Seriously, a simple "no, thanks" or "I'm waiting for someone else" is fine.

You might not have contributed to this but a lot of strippers just keep ON and ON pushing the sale and once we have politely told the girl we aren't interested in a dance and they keep gawking at us as if we should be ashamed of ourselves or keep telling us to go to the ATM machine when we say we are just tipping, we sometimes feel compelled to say "Life sucks for me right now okay, the money isn't in my account". Of course there isn't an easy, nice way to tell a girl you are a broke ass and just came to tip a couple singles and get a couple pairs of boobs in your face for the day. I've done this many times, explained myself, because I was nagged. Now if I wasn't being nagged on and on, it would have been "Hi, I'm X *Shakes hand*, just to not waste your time, I am not getting any dances today and am just tipping the stage" and if that was met with an "Ok" that would have been cool.

I know the money is in the dances, if we say "No" we mean "No". If we say "Maybe Later" it means "Maybe Later, I think you are hot but I am still deciding or saving the best for last". If we say "In a few minutes" we might mean "Sit on my lap, get to know me, talk for a bit, then in a few we can get the dance on" or just refer to what I said about "maybe later".

Point is, we mean it when we say a lot of what we say. Some guys are very polite and/or intimidated by beautiful women and will run girls around, but for a lot of us it is just a matter of listening to us. No still means no, if we say no, we aren't saying maybe later, we are saying no. If we say we are not getting dances today, we aren't getting dances today unless in some cases the woman is SO HOT we will take a dip in other reserved parts of our bank accounts because we feel we HAVE to get a dance.

That's generally how it works. So I am sorry that guys go on and tell their life story to explain it, most just have been worn to death by high pressure sales women. Also some just want you to come back to them later and are trying to convince you that when they said no it wasn't personal, it was situational.

joyluckstripclub
08-17-2012, 06:07 AM
Wow! I can't believe someone thought that was a real dancer's name. The next time I go to a strip club I'm going to ask for D.G. Sparkles!

Hopper
08-19-2012, 06:20 PM
Kessler - you will have to think of an even more ridiculous name to use in hypotheticals.

rickdugan
08-20-2012, 05:14 AM
I thought he was kidding. I was kidding too. Seriously. I made the name up because it sounded like the most generic over-the-top stripper name possible. You mean there's actually a Destiny Glitter Sparkles??? Holy shit, can I meet her?


Wow! I can't believe someone thought that was a real dancer's name. The next time I go to a strip club I'm going to ask for D.G. Sparkles!


Kessler - you will have to think of an even more ridiculous name to use in hypotheticals.

This is getting juvenile. If there was a misunderstanding here, a simple clarification post would have been sufficient. That is how adults handle these things.

In my quick first read of the exchange and in the way it was presented, I made the same initial assumption. For all I knew, you were talking about a girl who has used 3 different stage names over time. If I was the Mod, I probably would have made a similar comment.

Given the multitude of stage names out there and with the way in which some girls switch them up, the likelihood of confusion is high when you start tossing around hypothetical stage names in the context of personal interactions. Moving forward, you may want to think about sticking to generic labels or coming up with something else that is obviously not derived from one or more commonly used stage names.

Just my :twocents:

Flickdreams
08-20-2012, 05:22 AM
Not to sound like I'm lecturing here, but declining company is an important skill to learn if you want to maximize your time in the clubs. If you don't learn to control your space, you will spend an awful lot of time being bored and/or hustled by girls that you don't really want. And some girls will sit there forever if they think that they smell weakness or hesitation.

I'm long past the point of even remotely caring if a girl gets mad just because I say no thank you, but I do minimize the drama by always being calm and kind about it. I'll usually say something like, "Thank you honey, but I'm really not looking for company at the moment." If a girl is persistent, I will tell her "Honestly, I don't want to burn your time and I have other preferences for the types of girls that I like." I've even heard a couple of thank yous recently from girls who appreciated the fact that I didn't waste their time, but every once in a while a not so great reaction will come. C'est la vie.

Anyway, my MO is to always be kind but also always be firm about what I do and do not want. IMHO this approach saves a lot of time and grief, but there it is.

Dealing with rejection is prob a top 3 skill a dancer can acquire that will cause her money to consistently go up.

Flickdreams
08-20-2012, 05:28 AM
[QUOTE=hotexoticdw;2389989]You might not have contributed to this but a lot of strippers just keep ON and ON pushing the sale and once we have politely told the girl we aren't interested in a dance and they keep gawking at us as if we should be ashamed of ourselves or keep telling us to go to the ATM machine when we say we are just tipping, we sometimes feel compelled to say "Life sucks for me right now okay, the money isn't in my account". Of course there isn't an easy, nice way to tell a girl you are a broke ass and just came to tip a couple singles and get a couple pairs of boobs in your face for the day. I've done this many times, explained myself, because I was nagged. Now if I wasn't being nagged on and on, it would have been "Hi, I'm X *Shakes hand*, just to not waste your time, I am not getting any dances today and am just tipping the stage" and if that was met with an "Ok" that would have been cool.
QUOTE]

^ Yeah but Amareth was talking about guys who physically hold you back to prevent you from leaving as you try and walk away- Happens. All. The. Time.

yoda57us
08-20-2012, 06:39 AM
Destiny Glitter Sparkles? Is she a short redhead with a half-moon tattoo on her left elbow, and always dances to David Lee Roth's "Just A Gigilolo (I Ain't Got Nobody)"?


^ Holy shit, you know her too??? ;)


I thought he was kidding. I was kidding too. Seriously. I made the name up because it sounded like the most generic over-the-top stripper name possible. You mean there's actually a Destiny Glitter Sparkles??? Holy shit, can I meet her?


Wow! I can't believe someone thought that was a real dancer's name. The next time I go to a strip club I'm going to ask for D.G. Sparkles!


Kessler - you will have to think of an even more ridiculous name to use in hypotheticals.

It's been cute fun but I've moved on. It's time for you guys to do the same. We are done with this topic now. K?

rickdugan
08-20-2012, 07:05 AM
You might not have contributed to this but a lot of strippers just keep ON and ON pushing the sale and once we have politely told the girl we aren't interested in a dance and they keep gawking at us as if we should be ashamed of ourselves or keep telling us to go to the ATM machine when we say we are just tipping, we sometimes feel compelled to say "Life sucks for me right now okay, the money isn't in my account".


^ Yeah but Amareth was talking about guys who physically hold you back to prevent you from leaving as you try and walk away- Happens. All. The. Time.

Agreed and agreed. IMHO, when the emotional drivers of an industry are lust, greed and need ($$$ for the dancers, attention for the guys), bad behavior is bound crop up from with some of its participants. Desperation makes people do dumb things.

Kessler
08-21-2012, 12:02 AM
Rick and Yoda - I meant no offense. Though, Rick, I'll be honest - I do take offense to the snark in your last post. I DID write a clarification email six days ago and have not written about it since. The reason why I responded was because Yoda thought that I may have taken part in outing a dancer - something I take seriously and did not want to be accused of doing. While I was writing the post, I realized that perhaps joyluckstripclub WASN'T kidding and I may have hit on a real name.

I will refrain from using names, hyperbole or otherwise.

This is the last I'm writing about this. If anyone else persists with this topic, as apparently only juveniles do, then it won't be me.

Amareth
08-21-2012, 04:35 AM
You might not have contributed to this but a lot of strippers just keep ON and ON pushing the sale and once we have politely told the girl we aren't interested in a dance and they keep gawking at us as if we should be ashamed of ourselves or keep telling us to go to the ATM machine when we say we are just tipping, we sometimes feel compelled to say "Life sucks for me right now okay, the money isn't in my account". Of course there isn't an easy, nice way to tell a girl you are a broke ass and just came to tip a couple singles and get a couple pairs of boobs in your face for the day. I've done this many times, explained myself, because I was nagged. Now if I wasn't being nagged on and on, it would have been "Hi, I'm X *Shakes hand*, just to not waste your time, I am not getting any dances today and am just tipping the stage" and if that was met with an "Ok" that would have been cool.

I know the money is in the dances, if we say "No" we mean "No". If we say "Maybe Later" it means "Maybe Later, I think you are hot but I am still deciding or saving the best for last". If we say "In a few minutes" we might mean "Sit on my lap, get to know me, talk for a bit, then in a few we can get the dance on" or just refer to what I said about "maybe later".

Point is, we mean it when we say a lot of what we say. Some guys are very polite and/or intimidated by beautiful women and will run girls around, but for a lot of us it is just a matter of listening to us. No still means no, if we say no, we aren't saying maybe later, we are saying no. If we say we are not getting dances today, we aren't getting dances today unless in some cases the woman is SO HOT we will take a dip in other reserved parts of our bank accounts because we feel we HAVE to get a dance.

That's generally how it works. So I am sorry that guys go on and tell their life story to explain it, most just have been worn to death by high pressure sales women. Also some just want you to come back to them later and are trying to convince you that when they said no it wasn't personal, it was situational.
I totally understand a definite 'no' when I hear one, though I know exactly the type of girls you mention that just won't give up and are super aggressive (though I applaud them for their audacity I just can't muster the energy or willpower to do it, I'd rather find someone more willing).

As you appreciate a girl who can smile and walk away after hearing a 'no' I appreciate a customer who doesn't expect me to stay and chat and/or PHYSICALLY hold my hand/arm so tight I have to wrench it away when trying to politely excuse myself when he has already told me he doesn't want a dance.


^ Yeah but Amareth was talking about guys who physically hold you back to prevent you from leaving as you try and walk away- Happens. All. The. Time.
Yep. This. You wouldn't grab a girls arm in a bar and try to force her to stay and talk to you when she doesn't want so why the fuck would do it in a strip club?

Easy Mark
08-21-2012, 06:05 AM
Now I have a question, does it seem rude to give a small tip to a girl who sat with you for a while just because you wanted to make sure she was given at least something for the time? Does that suggest anything wrong or is that considerate? I feel awkward at times and pull out a couple of dollars as a girl leaves when I let her know I am not interested just to say, "Hey, I want you to have something for your time and effort at least". However I don't want to seem like I am treating the girl like an escort and offend her, not that I see shame in being an escort but I know some women do.

I have an ATF but I also tip girls I like or have danced with in the past when they come over. It's fun that they say hi, chat a bit and then move on; and my ATF is fine with it.

Hopper
08-25-2012, 08:03 AM
This is getting juvenile. If there was a misunderstanding here, a simple clarification post would have been sufficient. That is how adults handle these things.

In my quick first read of the exchange and in the way it was presented, I made the same initial assumption. For all I knew, you were talking about a girl who has used 3 different stage names over time. If I was the Mod, I probably would have made a similar comment.

Given the multitude of stage names out there and with the way in which some girls switch them up, the likelihood of confusion is high when you start tossing around hypothetical stage names in the context of personal interactions. Moving forward, you may want to think about sticking to generic labels or coming up with something else that is obviously not derived from one or more commonly used stage names.


It's been cute fun but I've moved on. It's time for you guys to do the same. We are done with this topic now. K?

Nobody was trying to be cute. The fictional name Kessler used was too ridiculous to be mistaken for a real dancer and even less likely to be the actual name of a real dancer. You made a wrong call and the way to move forward would be to acknowledge it and apologize for the misunderstanding, not try to cover it up.

yoda57us
08-25-2012, 08:51 AM
If I was trying to cover anything up I would have deleted all of the posts Hopper. Including yours. As a mod I can do that.

I didn't make a wrong call, I did what a moderator is supposed to do. No one was pointed, nothing was even deleted or edited. I simply warned people not to go down a certain road. No apology is owed to anyone. At least not from me...

As I've said many times Hopper, I don't read minds here, I read the words that are printed on the page.

yoda57us
08-25-2012, 09:04 AM
Maybe I'm not being clear enough. When I suggest we get back on topic it's not really a suggestion. To be clear, we are done with Destiny Glitter Sparkles or any other posts pertaining to her, the posts that I took issue with, or any opinions regarding those posts.

The next poster who decides to go down that road will be pointed. No further warnings will be given.

Djoser
08-26-2012, 06:24 AM
...PHYSICALLY hold my hand/arm so tight I have to wrench it away when trying to politely excuse myself when he has already told me he doesn't want a dance.


Yep. This. You wouldn't grab a girls arm in a bar and try to force her to stay and talk to you when she doesn't want so why the fuck would do it in a strip club?

Holy shit I've worked in a couple clubs where this could be very dangerous. If the girl being grabbed/detained didn't smack the shit out the guy hard enough to make him let go, he'd likely get the shit kicked out of him by one of the bouncers. I know sometimes it's more a 'clinging vine' than a 'brute force' thing, but in the rougher clubs the clinging vine thing can still get you smacked in the head by somebody lol.

Doc Holliday
08-27-2012, 07:37 AM
I almost never buy dances from someone not on stage. I never understood how dancers think they can sell a dance when you haven't seen them dance. Most guys are the opposite, they like girls to approach them, because they like negotiating and think they're in a better position to get what they want. All I want is good dance, not a cheap dance or something more. So I politely say 'yeah, I'd love some company but I'm just chilling and watching the stage show.' And most girls go on or stick around and a couple I even get dances from, what can I say? They charmed me over. But, there's always that hard seller ruining it for everyone who won't let go and suddenly I've gone from a nice loud club with beautiful naked women everywhere to Jim's Used Car Lot and a dealer that won't shut up.

Flickdreams
08-27-2012, 07:55 AM
I almost never buy dances from someone not on stage. I never understood how dancers think they can sell a dance when you haven't seen them dance. Most guys are the opposite, they like girls to approach them, because they like negotiating and think they're in a better position to get what they want. All I want is good dance, not a cheap dance or something more. So I politely say 'yeah, I'd love some company but I'm just chilling and watching the stage show.' And most girls go on or stick around and a couple I even get dances from, what can I say? They charmed me over. But, there's always that hard seller ruining it for everyone who won't let go and suddenly I've gone from a nice loud club with beautiful naked women everywhere to Jim's Used Car Lot and a dealer that won't shut up.

From 12 seconds in ....................http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN7Ea_JwBRc

flyguy29
09-01-2012, 11:45 PM
It is hard to handle sometimes especially when I am ansolutely certain that I do not want a dance, but the dancer fails to, ove the conversation to a close.

ColdWinter
09-09-2012, 08:37 AM
I always know before, and I almost always ask for a dance with girls I want instead of talking.

When girls ask me to 'sit with me', I find I offend girls if I tell them no, even if I try to be nice about it.

buckiemohawk
09-17-2012, 05:16 PM
I'll sit with my legs crossed. If I want the girl to sit on my lap. I will uncross them. On times, there have been girls that don't get the picture and I just stand up or try to look around them. I usually say I just got here. I want to chill out. I'm also hard of hearing and have a very low voice so even if they sit right next to me after I've said no and try to start a conversation to sell a lapdance to me. I'm not going to be able to hear anything.

Hopper
09-20-2012, 03:40 PM
Perhaps we all need T-shirts with captions on them.

yoda57us
09-20-2012, 03:54 PM
Or both customers and dancers could just accept the fact, as most do, that a strip club is a place of human interaction. Dancers approach as it is how they make their living. We as customers can say yes, no or maybe. Ultimately the customer owes it to the lady not to waste her time and the lady needs to accept a polite no gracefully and move on. Threads like this continue to surface because, sometimes, one side or the other fails at what should be a simple conversation.

Please note, I am not taking sides here, there are plenty of smart-ass time wasters who lead girls on and plenty of dancers who linger when they should know it's time to move on.

lopaw
09-20-2012, 07:42 PM
But if everybody played their respective roles properly in the clubs, what would we have to talk about here? }:D