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kaiarose
03-28-2012, 11:49 AM
I don't like all the strippers vs camgirls crap. Just to be clear, not all of us strippers take guys behind a curtain and give him a "happy ending". (As stated by a poster in this thread) By stating that camming is better than stripping or stripping is better than camming or camming is better than porn or stripping is better than porn is ridiculous. Enough with all the judgement! This is a SEX workers SUPPORT site and believe or not everyone, we are ALL sex workers!! I understand the OP was judgemental but take a different route please ladies!

ManyRoses
03-28-2012, 12:12 PM
Oh lord...so much to say.....prepare for a long post!!

First off - there seems to be a whole lot of debate over the camming/studio porn thing. I know that for the most part, we are saying "porn" to describe the traditional, actor style, go-into-a-studio-and-bang-someone-and-be-paid-by-scene porn, but I really, really, have to point out that camming is porn. Not in the traditional sense, but I guarantee you that if it ever came up in court (for whatever reason) what we do is porn. The non-nude stuff is porn. Its all porn. Porn porn porn. (for those of you who have seen Avenue Q - the internet is for PORN)

In fact -the best description that I have ever heard for camming is:

"Live and interactive/user directed porn"

So rather than watching a pre-recorded porn clip (traditional porn) of a solo performer or a couple, the consumer is watching a live feed of a solo performer or couple, and can interact, talk with them, request things, etc.

As for why we don't "just do porn" - well, there are a whole lot of reasons. Here are mine:

- STIs. This has been mentioned before, so there's no need to explain it further.
- My boyfriend's comfort level. He has no issue with me dancing, or with me camming, or filming for clips. He would have a BIG issue with me filming with strangers.
- My comfort level. I would have an issue with filming with strangers!! There are some performers who I really respect, and would love to work with. However, I know that the chances of a total newb wandering into the scene and saying "So, I think I'ma a work with these major players" and actually doing that is slim to none. And I don't want to fuck people that I find unattractive. Simple enough.
- Control. As it is, I am in total control. Of my schedule, my persona, my money, what I film, my scripts (for clips) my editing....everything. I don't want to give up any of that control to a studio.
- Travel. I live in Canada. Many girls that cam live in butt-fuck nowhere, or in other countries. Most traditional porn takes place in.....California. Because that is the only state where you can legally film (with a permit). Even if I could make 3K doing a solo scene, chances are, I would have to do it in LA. And that is based on the experiences of some friends of mine who are doing traditional porn. They split their time between LA and their home city. Occasionally they fly to other parts of the world to film, usually in Europe. Sometimes the studio pays to get them there, (especially now that one of my friends has been signed to a studio and is making a name for herself) but at least in the beginning, they paid for flights and accommodation themselves. I have no interest in paying to fly my ass all over the country to film, when I can make money at home.
- Overcrowding. So many girls (like you, apparently) think that traditional porn is still a goldmine. If they paid attention and realized that some of the big hitters have started camming, they may think otherwise. So go to LA, and you get cattle-call auditions, cruel people looking you over and deciding that you aren't good enough (lots of us don't look like the traditional barbies..), or expectations that your first shoot will be a six person gonzo gangbang, because so many dumb girls will do that just to get into the industry. Some girls have the fortitude to go into that fray. I don't.

So many porn stars are camming as well - for most of us, we are happy working at home, and making as much money camming as we would doing solo scenes for big studios. That's why we don't do traditional porn. (And if your friend told you you could make 3K for a solo scene right off the bat, she's lying.)

I also find your perception of strip clubs as safer to be pretty funny, actually. (sorry) I danced for years before I switched to camming because I needed a break. No, photos are not allowed. Guys surreptitiously take them anyway. Same with videos. Then they put them on facebook. Seriously. And given that you are dancing in a single geographical area, the majority of your customers are going to be from the same area. And because most people have a facebook social circle comprised of people from (mostly) the same geographic area, the chances of you being outed via the internet are possibly HIGHER in stripping. If a guy takes a video of my show online (again, against the rules. Again, it happens) they will be sharing it with online communities. Guess what? No one online knows where I live, or who I am. And my customer base is spread accross the world, so the chances of meeting the guy that saw me naked last night in the grocery store are astronomically small. When I was dancing, I bumped into guys that saw me naked last weekend All. The. Time. It drove me nuts. On top of that, if you are in your twenties (which most strippers are) your friends and schoolmates are at the getting-married age. That means stag nights. That means large groups of guys you used to do your chem homework with seeing you spreading it like hellmans on stage. Goody. The guy friends that I have that actually watch cams or are involved with cams actively avoid my screenname, unless they see videos being splashed around forums or tube sites, at which point they tell me, and I have it removed.

It may not be for you. However, c'mon lady - read the forum!! I didn't know what camming was either when I was dancing - the two do not often collide. But just read the first few posts, then hop on MFC, and you'll get the idea. Or at least enough of it to ask a more specific question.

shywebcamgirl
03-28-2012, 12:15 PM
By stating that camming is better than stripping or stripping is better than camming or camming is better than porn or stripping is better than porn is ridiculous. Enough with all the judgement!

I am confused to where in the thread that anyone said that camming was better than stripping or stripping is better than camming or camming is better than porn or stripping is better than porn. Please, please correct me if I missed something.

I saw a lot of people say 'In my opinion..." or "For me....." or lists the pros and cons of each but I am at a loss to find one post where the general statement of one being better than the other is made.

kaiarose
03-28-2012, 12:26 PM
I am confused to where in the thread that anyone said that camming was better than stripping or stripping is better than camming or camming is better than porn or stripping is better than porn. Please, please correct me if I missed something.

I saw a lot of people say 'In my opinion..." or "For me....." or lists the pros and cons of each but I am at a loss to find one post where the general statement of one being better than the other is made.

What do you mean?? This whole thread is mostly consisting of which one is better than the other. There's alot of hostility in this thread and I just want it to be more peaceful. Please don't quote me and dissect my words. I'm not in this thread to argue with anyone. It's my job as mod to keep the peace and I could see this thread heading south so I intervened. I'm stepping away now...

DollEyes
03-28-2012, 12:42 PM
I'm kind of confused because I didn't see someone point out that one was better then the other but rather give their personal reason's as to why they don't do one or the other.
So now I'm officially lost?

shywebcamgirl
03-28-2012, 12:45 PM
What do you mean?? This whole thread is mostly consisting of which one is better than the other. There's alot of hostility in this thread and I just want it to be more peaceful. Please don't quote me and dissect my words. I'm not in this thread to argue with anyone. It's my job as mod to keep the peace and I could see this thread heading south so I intervened. I'm stepping away now...

We seem to have two different perspectives on this thread. To me, what the hostility is about is that the OP called camming 'exploitative' and not that one part of the industry is better than the other.

I am sorry if I somehow gave you the impression that I was dissecting your words. I was actually trying to better understand your position. I wasn't looking for an argument but only for clarification on where our perspectives had differed. I was just intrigued by your personal statement about how the thread mostly consists of which one is better than the other and I am STILL intrigued by it.

I do apologize if my asking interfered in anyway with your primary objective to make the thread more peaceful. It truly wasn't my intention.

shywebcamgirl
03-28-2012, 12:46 PM
I'm kind of confused because I didn't see someone point out that one was better then the other but rather give their personal reason's as to why they don't do one or the other.
So now I'm officially lost?

Okay, so it wasn't just me.

Well, Dolleyes at least if we are lost then we are lost together. ;D

miamia4me
03-28-2012, 01:37 PM
I observe these posts and I am always amazed at how many times people perceive messages in entirely different ways. This one is full of different perceptions and misunderstandings. Very entertaining. Oh in my OPINION, I cam and dance and both are similar but slightly different pros and cons. I do each about 3 days a week. One reason I like strip clubs = tax free money the same day as working. And obviously cam I like not driving an hour!

ROCKAPOTIMUS
03-28-2012, 02:14 PM
I'll keep my opinion out. But I'd just like to add a relation of camming and stripping, although the line is vague. Hand in hand with the economy and clubs becoming more internet savvy, many clubs broadcast webcams in the lockers And have it stream on the site. They also have some of their strippers on the web pages for advertising. All done with girls consent of course. Also, this website as well...quite a few girls have posted there photo in the pics thread. So stripping doesn't have as much internet privacy as one would think.

CurvySweet
03-28-2012, 02:14 PM
Every so often an outsider of camming comes along and lights a fire bomb throws it at us and runs away. Leaving us to defend camming and even argue among ourselves. Alot of you ladies have made VALID POINTS. It saddens me people like to stir things, when as a whole we all work in the adult biz together, just different sectors.

As long as I know the true answer why should I care to explain. I, YOU, WE are the only one that matters.

SarahTime
03-28-2012, 02:20 PM
What just happened?

lolabunny
03-28-2012, 03:20 PM
Ughhhhh who cares!!!!! why waste time trying to explain to the OP about shit she could have looked up herself...like the rest of us who has some damn sense did...

Kaylee84
03-28-2012, 08:26 PM
*** This was supposed to be a PM, but I decided to post in the thread, in case it also helps someone else.***

Hi Kaylee,

Can I first apologize for the cattiness of my fellow camgirls, in response to your question about camming? LOL! I happen to think "what is camming, exactly?", is a very important and legitimate question, and I would like to answer it for you, before you start believing that all camgirls ever do is masturbate on the internet for $X.99 a minute.

"We fuck our pussies on camera for a per/min price" is NOT the whole answer, and I think that any CAMGIRL who believes that this is all that camming is, is doing herself a grave disservice.

Let's break it down into primary elements.

With camming, you are allowing a viewer to purchase access to your webcam feed. That's all.

What happens once the viewer has made the purchase decision can be ANYTHING.

Now.... TRADITIONALLY, most people think that this is what happens in a cam show:
-Stripping ---> nudity
-Masturbation
And, sure.... if you look around on the web and on SW, this is probably what the majority of 'cam shows' consist of.

But the possibilities don't actually end there. Webcam models can also make money doing the following:
-non-nude chat
-specific fetishes (lactation? foot fetish? etc)
-domination
-voyeur shows (where you just turn on your cam, and viewers pay to watch you go about your day)
-etc etc... the possibilities are quite simply, endless.

Nudity and masturbation, for the most part, are what the camgirl and viewer are both going to EXPECT to being doing in a paid camshow, by default. So doing something OTHER THAN THAT does take some creativity, skill, and outside-the-box thinking. But it CAN BE DONE.

------

To answer some of your specific questions:

I have heard a lot about it since joining SW, but never really understood what it was all about. In my opinion, you're right to be confused. The usual 'definition' of camming, as understood by most people is a very narrow one. As I outlined above, there CAN BE much more to it.

Is it just virtual stripping? Sure.... it CAN be. But not only.
pay by the minute? Usually, yes... although 'blocks' of time can also be sold.
or are you pleasuring yourself? You CAN, yes... and most do this. But not all!!!!

Also, do you ever get worried about getting leaked to family/friends? my biggest thing is once it's on the internet, it's there forever. YES! If you read through camming connection, you will find many threads dealing with this. It's one of our biggest collective fears, I think. (Unless you're lucky enough to be "out" to everyone in your life, and you have the luxury of not having to give a shit.) Some camgirls use geo-blocking (available on most mainstream camsites) to block out areas of the country where they have friends/family, which probably decreases the risk of getting caught, but is not foolproof. Some of us take steps to disguise our identity by wearing wigs and heavy makeup. We usually lie about our background, location, personal details, etc. I have personally been camming since 2004 and have never been 'outed, to my knowledge.... although as someone else already mentioned, it's possible that I have been recognized but the person who recognized me just never admitted to me that he/she found me? In my opinion, many "OUTINGS" happen because the camgirl herself trusts too many people with her 'secret'. E.g. A previously trusted roommate becomes vindictive, tells someone else, etc etc.... and you suddenly get 'outed'. I think keeping ones own mouth shut about what one does is key here. Again, just my personal opinion. I'm sure there are some horror stories where camgirls were very careful and got recognized anyway.

And if you are pleasuring yourself, why not just say f*** it and do porn? I see where this sentiment is coming from. You are making a few assumptions here, though.

1) If we are fucking a dildo anyway, we might as well be fucking a real dick because it's the same thing.
I am sure opinions differ on this, but I for one, absolutely CANNOT STOMACH having to touch or be touched by a strange dude. I am full of admiration that you are able to strip in a strip club, because for ME, sitting on some douchebag's lap while he tries to grab me and is breathing drool down my neck would be utter hell. Shit, I get pissed off when some creep bumps into me on the SUBWAY the wrong way. If I had to grind on a dude in a strip club, where he could touch me, smell me, feel my hair, look right into my eyes.... omg, I'd probably projectile vomit in his face before I got within two feet. The thought of it repulses me THAT BADLY.
Having said that, it seems like the aversion that *I* have to being in physical proximity to someone who would like to feel the inside of my vagina, is very similar to the aversion that *you* have towards ever being recorded. So I guess this is just where you get to weigh what is important/unconscionable to you, and select professions accordingly? Although I will point out - sometimes people you know WILL recognize you in the stripclub, and the bouncers may not confiscate or notice EVERY camera or iphone, so even as a stripper, you are still at some risk.

2) You assume that if you do webcam, you are GUARANTEED to find your videos/pics all over the internet.
Again, opinions will vary, but I feel strongly that not every girl gets outed. I have never found any of my content anywhere on the internet, and I have looked. Often. Then again, I take careful steps to prevent that from happening, so maybe that is what makes the difference? I don't know. Either way, I know webcam performers (some still currently performing) who are nurses and primary school teachers. Camming has not impacted them or their careers negatively. (Yet? I admit that no one knows what will happen in the future).

3) You assume that a girl can make always make more in porn than she can on cam.
LOL! Not true. Like some others have said, porn does not pay as much as it used to, for starters. Camming can pay more.
One personal example: I made over $2700 this past saturday without taking off any clothes. Without doing ANYTHING other than... having conversation, in fact. :-) (I have been a non-nude cam model for a year now... before that, I was a nude webcam model but I transitioned away from that.) I can't imagine that a day on a porno set could net me more than that, or that it would be worth it, considering I'd have to deal with the hassle of having to leave my house, putting on professional makeup, fucking some random guy (!!!), and having to follow someone else's instructions. When I cam at home, I make myself coffee during my shows, put my feet up, text my friends, and just CHAT. The thought of having to actually do something requiring WORK, like a porn shoot.... makes me laugh. :-) Especially since it would likely be MORE AGGRAVATING and LESS LUCRATIVE than what I get to enjoy currently.

I hope that answers a few of your questions about what camming is, in a bit more depth than "fucking yourself with a dildo on camera". Again, in my opinion, girls who don't see that there are possibilities beyond this are selling themselves short. But what do *I* know? ;-)


***(This message may self-destruct.)


Jessica, THANK YOU for not chewing me a new one! I understand that I might have came off as close-minded, but It was just something that I didn't understand. But that is SO AWESOME that you can make that much money without even leaving your house! And the whole geo-block thing is GENIUS! I would feel very comfortable doing that. The only thing that bothers me, is when checking out one of the websites that was posted, I saw that you could literally preview ANYONE you want, for free? And if someone I knew stumbled upon that (unless the geo-block works that efficiently) I would be mortified. But I have had bad luck with trolls and stalkers on the internet, so that probably has a lot to do with my paranoia lol :)

Anyways, thanks for clearing all that up for me like such a lady!

Kaylee84
03-28-2012, 08:30 PM
I totally understand your position -- but there is only one thing I keep tripping over so I can't help but ask the question, "Do you think that stripping is 'exploitative' as well or that only camming is?"

Well yes, and before ever being recognized by people I know, I just came out with it, to family, and even posted it on my facebook. I am a stripper, and I really don't give a shit what they think. So when an occasional friend comes to the club, we just hug and I usually small talk then get back to work.

Also, i have never once even seen someone taking photos in the club, and the chance of that happening isn't likely especially when it comes to being sent to my grandmother, because who the f*** has her number? lol

But camming and streaming and looping videos and a trusted custy finds out your facebook and someday blackmails you into free shows or else he will "Send the video to everyone" trips my shit. Because it could happen. And even a photo of me on a pole, is a lot different then a video of me fucking myself.

Rina
03-28-2012, 08:42 PM
Well yes, and before ever being recognized by people I know, I just came out with it, to family, and even posted it on my facebook. I am a stripper, and I really don't give a shit what they think. So when an occasional friend comes to the club, we just hug and I usually small talk then get back to work.

Also, i have never once even seen someone taking photos in the club, and the chance of that happening isn't likely especially when it comes to being sent to my grandmother, because who the f*** has her number? lol

But camming and streaming and looping videos and a trusted custy finds out your facebook and someday blackmails you into free shows or else he will "Send the video to everyone" trips my shit. Because it could happen. And even a photo of me on a pole, is a lot different then a video of me fucking myself.

Not to sound snarky but there is an easy solution to that, don't fuck yourself on cam. I do well with fetish stuff. There are so many things you can do in camming not just solo shows. I am not saying there is anything wrong with toy shows, but they aren't my niche. There are also non-nude camming options. So if you want to cam try non-nude. Also as to girls showing it all in public that's their choice, it's not required. You do what is right for you that is the best part of camming IMO. I show up and do what I want to do, how I want to do it.

HaydenBlue
03-28-2012, 09:24 PM
There is still a really snooty air about your posts like somehow we're below you because we're on cam. You have continued to bring up the point that "Since I strip, it's not a big deal - but my god, if someone saw me on cam, how awful, such a big difference!" It annoys me.

I think it is obvious you have no interest in camming based on your reaction - so maybe we can put that to rest now.

We're all in the adult industry - no profession is better or less than.

Peachesxo
03-28-2012, 09:58 PM
But camming and streaming and looping videos and a trusted custy finds out your facebook and someday blackmails you into free shows or else he will "Send the video to everyone" trips my shit. Because it could happen. And even a photo of me on a pole, is a lot different then a video of me fucking myself.

FYI, due to image matching software and the overall stalker-friendly layout of it, most cam girls are smart enough not to have a personal facebook in the first place. Problem solved :D

HaydenBlue
03-28-2012, 10:04 PM
FYI, due to image matching software and the overall stalker-friendly layout of it, most cam girls are smart enough not to have a personal facebook in the first place. Problem solved :D

And lol, just because you aren't all over the internet doesn't mean strippers don't get stalked too. Happens all the time. You're more of a target because they don't have to go through targets and loopholes and nagging questions - they already know the general area that you live. They just have to be sly enough to follow you home.

DiamondCupcakes
03-28-2012, 10:55 PM
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend, and I agree, I would way rather do myself then 1500 random dudes.. But I mean, exploitating yourself on the web, might at well make 3,000 doing a solo for a porn company verses 300, right??

I agree. I see nothing wrong with the actual question you want answered its more the way you are responding and certain comments you make. We are all here to help but pleas tread lightly when you speak ill of someone's profession. I did porn for about a year and definitely did not have sex with anywhere near 1500 guys. And a lot of people like to label us as "exploited" so I think that's way some ladies may have reacted to your comment. We are not exploited but I can see how you may have meant it in a different way. I think what Jessica1001 posted was of great help and I hope all your questions were answered =)

GlamourRouge
03-28-2012, 11:17 PM
ex·ploit (ksploit, k-sploit)
n.
An act or deed, especially a brilliant or heroic one. See Synonyms at feat1.
tr.v. (k-sploit, ksploit) ex·ploit·ed, ex·ploit·ing, ex·ploits
1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
2. To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. See Synonyms at manipulate.
3. To advertise; promote.

Babeshell
03-29-2012, 02:04 AM
I can see the relation of camsites and porn, since many porns consist of the girl pleasuring herself...

but i cant see the relation between fucking myself with a dildo and fuck strangers around, suck dick etc (nothing against who does it.. I just cant compare both acts)

TheBrownFox
03-29-2012, 02:18 AM
There is still a really snooty air about your posts like somehow we're below you because we're on cam. You have continued to bring up the point that "Since I strip, it's not a big deal - but my god, if someone saw me on cam, how awful, such a big difference!" It annoys me.

I think it is obvious you have no interest in camming based on your reaction - so maybe we can put that to rest now.

We're all in the adult industry - no profession is better or less than.





I agree. It almost sounds like the purpose of this thread was for her to convince us all to STOP camming. LOL.

Incantatious
03-29-2012, 05:58 AM
ex·ploit (ksploit, k-sploit)
n.
An act or deed, especially a brilliant or heroic one. See Synonyms at feat1.
tr.v. (k-sploit, ksploit) ex·ploit·ed, ex·ploit·ing, ex·ploits
1. To employ to the greatest possible advantage: exploit one's talents.
2. To make use of selfishly or unethically: a country that exploited peasant labor. See Synonyms at manipulate.
3. To advertise; promote.

The definitions are very different depending on if noun or verb.
The verb is significantly darker, and the one I believe was intended for context.

Exploit. verb
1. to take unfair advantage of <the type of person who exploits a friend's good nature by constantly sponging off of him>
2. to control or take advantage of by artful, unfair, or insidious means <a politician more than willing to exploit any national tragedy for political gain>
Synonyms: abuse, capitalize (on), cash in (on), impose (on or upon), leverage, milk, pimp, play (on or upon), use, work
Related Words jerk around, manipulate, mistreat; bleed, cheat, fleece, overcharge, skin, soak, stick; commercialize, commodify

I think I'll reclaim it though and go with the noun. ;D

Holly_xoxo
03-29-2012, 07:16 AM
I'm not sure what the point was to starting this thread. Why ask what camming is like if you already have pre-conceived notions of it? You already had stereotypes of camming and had thought of all the "dangers" associated with it so why come in to ask our opinions.

If you want to know what it's like then sign up to a site and try it out.

And yes when you're on cam theres a chance people will see it but someday you might go for a job interview and someone in there will recognize you from the days you were twirling on a pole. Or a co-worker at a new job might know what you did...then let the gossip fly. Any part of the adult entertainment industry can come back at you and then you'll have to deal with the stereotypes and labels associated with it.

I personally enjoy camming and maybe someday I'll be recognized...hell maybe someone has already seen me but I'm not ashamed of what I do. I entertain people with my sexuality in a safe environment. It's all good :)

Sam38g
03-29-2012, 08:08 AM
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend, and I agree, I would way rather do myself then 1500 random dudes.. But I mean, exploitating yourself on the web, might at well make 3,000 doing a solo for a porn company verses 300, right??

LMAO which porn company pays $3000 for a solo? Been doing porn for 12 years, most I have ever gotten for a solo shoot is $1500. Average pay is $150 to $300 for a solo shoot.

Every job exploits you. Working in an office for $8 to $12 an hour, not being able to pay the bills, no health insurance, down sizing, no corporation gives a shit about you either. So explain to me how that isn't exploitation too? I would like to know.

If you are a scientist, the company you work for owns all patents & ideas even if you quit for up to 5 years. Isn't that exploitation?

Every product in the world pretty much uses sex to sell. It is all exploitation... Don't know which world you live in, but that is reality.

Is this a guy?
You come here to do what?
Dear Mr. Clueless move on.

Smooches,
Sam

Sam38g
03-29-2012, 08:35 AM
Porn does NOT give you an STD.
Been doing porn for 12 years. 12 years of clean test, not once have I ever gotten anything at all. I have 12 years of clean monthly test.

I dont know any girl in porn (and I know many) who has gotten an std. Now many of my friends who have never done porn ALL have gotten an std from their boyfriends or husbands. Hmmmm

I am always surprised that man who are not in porn expect sex by the 3rd date and after 2 weeks of dating expect to have sex without a condom or test. So this misconception about porn stars & stds amazes me. The statistics for porn & the regular population for STDs, porn people are 10 times safer.

Film with strangers? Obviously you don't know that lots of us are friends. I have know & filmed with great people over & over again in this business many times. I don't film with strangers, the industry is a tight group of people.

If is your choice not to film or do porn. Dont use the STD crap to justify not doing it. It is BULLSHIT!

Smooches,
Sam

Incantatious
03-29-2012, 08:41 AM
Sam... I tip my titties to you. <3 Fantastic post.

ClaudiaReina
03-29-2012, 08:43 AM
This thread deserves some kind of a special negative award. In only 4 pages it managed to piss off nearly every kind of sex worker out there: camgirls, strippers, porn stars...I'm waiting someone to say something to piss off phone chat operators and escorts too and then we'll have a perfect thread!;D (omg)


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Jessica1001
03-29-2012, 08:47 AM
This thread deserves some kind of a special negative award. In only 4 pages it managed to piss off nearly every kind of sex worker out there: camgirls, strippers, porn stars...I'm waiting someone to say something to piss off phone chat operators and escorts too and then we'll have a perfect thread!;D (omg)


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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/Crowmaiden/funnystuff/ShockedKitty-OhMyGawd.gif

Only ugly chicks do phone sex chat.

There... How's that? :-P

ukmissy
03-29-2012, 08:51 AM
.... And i'd rather eat my webcam than escort ;-) To keep with the trend.

IsobelWren
03-29-2012, 08:54 AM
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend, and I agree, I would way rather do myself then 1500 random dudes.. But I mean, exploitating yourself on the web, might at well make 3,000 doing a solo for a porn company verses 300, right??

That's actually a little more than double or triple the amount one actually makes for a porn scene. Kink.com hires out a bit on the lower end but they're paying between 900 and 1,100 for an all day shoot of boy/girl depending on whether you just do a blow job, do a blowjob and vaginal sex or offer all those and anal sex. This all also includes hard core bondage, impact play and anything else they think of to do to you that's within your limits. These things could include face slapping, wax play, pissing, etc.

http://www.kink.com/k/model_call.jsp

I've done solo for large porn companies. That paid between 600 and 800 when the industry was cranking along well. Now it pays between 400 and 600 unless you're a big enough name (which you'd get by doing this for years and doing it well enough for guys to request your videos) to get your agent to ask for more. This is still an all day shoot. So even though you're only filming one scene, which is, at the most, two times of diddling yourself, you're still there all day.

It's more money, yes, but it's not that *much* more money if you're having a good 8 hour day on cam, which is between 400 and 600. It's also something that isn't in big demand with professional companies, so it's not regular work. Even as only irregular work, it's something you're only going to find in cities that have full time porn companies like LA, Vegas or Miami. Miami, by the way, has bargain basement rates.

Camming: For 1-2.50 a minute I'm not being exposed to STDs by having sex with strangers, I'm setting my own schedule and I'm working from the comfort of my own home and don't have to travel to LA. In my opinion, which is not necessarily true, a future employer would be less phased by finding video of me masturbating on the internet than video of me getting railed by a strange man on the internet.

IsobelWren
03-29-2012, 09:12 AM
Porn does NOT give you an STD.
Been doing porn for 12 years. 12 years of clean test, not once have I ever gotten anything at all. I have 12 years of clean monthly test.

I dont know any girl in porn (and I know many) who has gotten an std. Now many of my friends who have never done porn ALL have gotten an std from their boyfriends or husbands. Hmmmm

Very lucky for you and your friends. I've been doing porn (girls only) for several years and I have caught two STDs. It wasn't a big deal, since we get tested every month I figured it out quickly. It was just annoying to go get the medication and not work for the week it took. It was also expensive to treat them and to take two tests that month instead of just the one. I don't engage in risky shoots. I work for large companies and I always check my partners' ID and current test.

Your sexual safety all depends on who you work with and their personal habits and hygiene. Some people in the industry are very clean and some are not. You do have control over who you work with but you have no control over whether they behave in a risky manner or not. Perhaps you decide not to work with someone because she's a known escort and has a bad reputation for testing poorly. Maybe, though, you don't know her reputation or she doesn't have a bad reputation at all. She could have done coke for the first time a week before your shoot, fucked three rando guys in the club and got the clap. Her test shows she's clean, she doesn't know she's not (or she does but needs the money and shoots anyway after douching within an inch of her life), you shoot with her and bam!

To sum, it's less of a risk than going out and having unprotected sex with the same number of strangers who are also sexually active but it is still a risk.

Jessica1001
03-29-2012, 09:18 AM
To be fair, when I was a nude, toy-riding camgirl, I got bacterial vaginosis from a phthalate containing dildo once. *Shrug.*

(Not quite the same as the HIV though... Or the herp. God, I'd be devastated.)

ManyRoses
03-30-2012, 03:48 PM
Well yes, and before ever being recognized by people I know, I just came out with it, to family, and even posted it on my facebook. I am a stripper, and I really don't give a shit what they think. So when an occasional friend comes to the club, we just hug and I usually small talk then get back to work.

Also, i have never once even seen someone taking photos in the club, and the chance of that happening isn't likely especially when it comes to being sent to my grandmother, because who the f*** has her number? lol

But camming and streaming and looping videos and a trusted custy finds out your facebook and someday blackmails you into free shows or else he will "Send the video to everyone" trips my shit. Because it could happen. And even a photo of me on a pole, is a lot different then a video of me fucking myself.

You really, really seem to have blinders on when it comes to stripping and being "found out" and "blackmailed" and all that fun stuff. You also seem to be contradicting yourself a LOT.

Your main (in fact, only) bone with camming seems to be being "found out" or having "people see". Yet, you say that you are open about stripping and tell everyone, that people come into the club where you work, and that you post about stripping on facebook. How does that make sense?!?!?! If friends are coming into the club where you work, they see you on stage, yes? So....they may well see you naked. (Or depending on your club, tits akimbo, at least) You post about stripping on your facebook, (which your grandmother is apparently on) but couldn't bear the thought of being blackmailed with everyone "finding out" or "being sent videos"...HUH????

How would you be blackmailed if everyone already knows what you do???? There is a very simple situation here - you tell your family (if they don't already know, though god knows how) not to open e-mails containing videos from strangers. Duh. Then all that can happen is a guy e-mails them and tells them that you work in the sex industry. They already know you work in the sex industry, so that's hardly a bomb dropping situation.

As for never seeing people take photos - well, again, duh. If you did, then presumably the bouncer would also see it, go over, and make them delete it (as happens about fifteen times a night, now that phones have cameras). The ones you worry about ARE the ones you don't see. They do not need your grandmother's number - facebook is a glorious tool for people seeing stuff they shouldn't, especially when everyone is in one place. And (again, this depends on the club HUGELY) but the last place I worked was full nude on stage. So you could easily get a more graphic shot of my hoo hoo from the tip rail than in my free chat.

Finally - the idea that "anyone can have a preview". If you work on MFC, or a site where you are diddling yourself for tips in free chat, then yes, they could stumble accross you. If you work anywhere else (basically) you sit in free chat CLOTHED. Talking. Oooooh lordy, god forbid someone you know stumbles accross a feed of you sitting on the couch in a tank top!! As for the previews of paid shows - you see a photo of the girl along with the option to enter the show. So unless you are unrecognizable in the photo, they would see it was you and (hopefully) move along.

Or, as someone pointed out - you can do non-nude.

But reading your responses, I am still so confused as to what the issue is, given that everyone in your life knows what you do, and you apparently have no problems with friends and locals coming into your club and seeing you in various states on undress there?

Charlotteslut
03-30-2012, 05:17 PM
If you understand how STIs/STDs incubate, you realize quickly that you definitely can get diseases from porn. Doesn't mean you necessarily WILL but to say it's not a risk is simply not true. Testing is what, every 20-30 days? All someone has to do is contract/incubate a disease between those dates.

Blovely
03-30-2012, 05:58 PM
So ummm after reading this whole thread... what exactly was the point of this thread??

Kaylee84
03-30-2012, 06:28 PM
So ummm after reading this whole thread... what exactly was the point of this thread??

Basically I had a question, and everyone took it the wrong way and became offended and tried to make what they do on cam seem more innocent than it is.


This is soooo out of control.

Bye.

cvarga
03-30-2012, 06:48 PM
Basically I had a question, and everyone took it the wrong way and became offended and tried to make what they do on cam seem more innocent than it is.


This is soooo out of control.

Bye.

I'm editing this post because after clicking on his name and reviewing "Kaylee84's" posts it's more than clear to me that this is a poser. This is a MAN and a very dangerous one.
Someone here is being baited or stalked. In fact, the more I read, the more I think this is a very sick person collecting facts on how to take advantage or even abduct women in this industry by asking all the right questions and creating all the right scenarios. I am very scared for someone right now.

lolabunny
03-30-2012, 07:08 PM
If you were really curious about camming, you would have googled it, plain and simple, or just took a look at some of the threads in CC (I'm sure there are thousands of them) you seem like you know how to use the internet, there are plenty of camsites you could have glanced at....don't think camming is for you, move on: simple....No need to defend camming, I'm sure everyone here doesn't agree nor care what you or anyone else thinks...the fact that this dumbass thread is 4pages long irks me

HaydenBlue
03-30-2012, 07:27 PM
Basically I had a question, and everyone took it the wrong way and became offended and tried to make what they do on cam seem more innocent than it is.

Giiiiirrrl you are so lucky CC and you are aren't in a room together.

You came in here to indirectly call us trashy whores and make jabs about our job.

Kick rocks, bitch.

miamia4me
03-30-2012, 07:33 PM
Basically asking a question doesn't take 5 or 6 paragraphs. I'm sure you are one the strippers that never does dances and never sits on old dudes boners. Yep you innocent angel :)

cvarga
03-30-2012, 07:57 PM
Originally Posted by Kaylee84

I'm not a rookie. I've seen a lot, took a lot of shit, listened to a lot of bullshit, been hit with shit, and smiled through it all. I am not ashamed of what I do, and I can put up with literally just about anything without it effecting my mood. This is my job, I am the fantasy and you are the wallet. I get it and that is why when you ask me for sex for money, I will kindly deny the offer, and keep dancing. But for the FIRST TIME, some little asshole (probably like eighteen) comes into my club and completely makes me feel like a fucking piece of shit whore!

First of all, the night was starting out a little slow, and he comes up to me. Like most little kids, he tries to talk my prices down. I almost NEVER knock my nude dance prices, but what the hell, it's only 5 bucks less, and it was indeed slow. I did try to sell a topless one, but he said he would only buy a nude dance. So whatever, off to the back we went.

We get to the back area, I start dancing, and slowly climb on top of him. Stick my boobs in his face or whatever, go to sit on his lap, AND HIS DICK IS OUT OF HIS PANTS. THIS KID IS TRYING TO FUCK ME. I didn't even know what to say... like did he just THINK that I was seriously going to fuck him????? for 35 FUCKING DOLLARS? What the fuck? And the worst part is, it fucking touched me.. ew!

I dont even remember this dudes name and hes got his dick on my fucking leg!! All I said was "um... You need to put your dick away!!!" I felt violated, and continued the dance at a comfortable distance. But it's still bothering me. I know I could have told the bouncer, but I hate drama and I honestly avoid it. I just feel.... like shit... can anyone relate to this? does this happen?!?!?!?! Is this just a stripper stepping stone? lol?

------

Interesting question: DOES THIS HAPPEN??

In other words, this guy wants to know if he has the scenario right.

----editing again. Every time we respond he is getting more insight on what to expect as a reaction.

There are some things said in this post, and lets not point them out (I've not highlighted them all), that should hit a nerve with you.

GlamourRouge
03-30-2012, 08:39 PM
Basically I had a question, and everyone took it the wrong way and became offended and tried to make what they do on cam seem more innocent than it is.


This is soooo out of control.

Bye.

I doubt anyone is offended by what some rando "girl" they've never met thinks about their industry or even themselves. We just think its hilarious how ill informed some people are, and how easily some people believe inaccurate stereotypes instead of doing their own research/investigating. We also find it hilarious to see the new methods trolls and affiliates are using these days to gain information/knowledge.

miamia4me
03-30-2012, 08:40 PM
Hahaha I remember this post!!! Talking to dudes while laying naked on my bed for $50/HR is soOoo much harder than dancing and having dick on my leg for 40 bucks. Oh and you had to touch a pervert. You make dancing seem so fkn innocent angel thanks for making me want to cam even more and yes I am at a strip club now. I never had dick whipped out and touching me! Nasty!

GlamourRouge
03-30-2012, 09:10 PM
Lets remind all the trolls/customers/haters on the board who are randomly lurking this thread:

If we didn't like what we're doing, we wouldn't be doing it.

In a day and age where the world is overpopulated and there are millions of different jobs out there but still not enough jobs, no one survives unless they put a lot of effort into their job & they're good at it. If you like your job, it makes it a million times easier to accomplish that.

The superiority complexes and the "my-opinion-is-more-valid-than-yours" trolls are getting annoying at this point. Stop being a hater and move on with your life to the next person you're going to care about. Or better yet, channel all that energy into focusing on yourself?

Peachesxo
03-30-2012, 09:10 PM
Had to edit because I found this little treasure in another thread.


IMO, people who don't work in the sex industry just don't understand it. Don't you remember before you started dancing? Maybe your perception on stripping wasn't THAT bad, but I'm sure it didn't look like that pretty of a picture.

Just ignore the close minded douche bags, they don't know the half of what really goes on in the club.

Ummm....
http://i1108.photobucket.com/albums/h411/Amaltheaxox/tumblr_m0l4bolMhx1qibz0jo1_1280-1.png


No further explanation needed, OP.

shywebcamgirl
03-30-2012, 09:26 PM
Basically I had a question, and everyone took it the wrong way and became offended and tried to make what they do on cam seem more innocent than it is.


This is soooo out of control.

Bye.

Holy baiting statement by generalization and lack of personal responsibility, Batman! :yikes:

ManyRoses
03-30-2012, 10:53 PM
Either this is a bizarrely passive troll....orrrrrr - a baby stripper with some serious self-awareness issues. I vote BABY STRIPPER!

Some random little newb who is busily trying to convince herself that her job is somehow "innocent" and that she is at no risk of being "found out" (by the people who already knows what she does...real logical thinking here).

I think I speak for many of us here in CC, when I say that off is the general direction in which I wish you would fuck.

Peachesxo
03-30-2012, 11:22 PM
Trololo...

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