View Full Version : Ideal Salary your Man would have to make for to sto stripping?
Aurora_Sunset
04-03-2012, 10:48 AM
Actually I think the thread has taken a decidedly positive turn. If you don't like it you can stop following it at any time...
+1
I was just thinking that it's funny that the OP started this thread to troll and stir up controversy, and instead it's turned into a pretty good discussion.
yoda57us
04-03-2012, 11:06 AM
^ It has happened the same way in the past. That's why I'm hesitant to close threads unless they really crash and burn...
Kellydancer
04-03-2012, 02:29 PM
I have a friend whose BF offered her a $3,000 a week allowance if she quit. I know for sure it's true, bc he has money up his ass. She declined. The idea of being controlled, plus not getting a ring on her finger didn't sit well with her.
I'd do that, but only because I want to see a man with money in his ass. Seriously though, I have known women who did quit jobs like dancing because the guy promised to take care of her, only to find herself alone. If they weren't married and then he dumped her there isn't a thing she can do. Unless they had kids she would get child support but nothing else. Plus, let's be honest and talk about how dancers and rich guys can be a fleeting thing where the rich guy gets tired of her, especially as she ages. I had a few possibile opportunities and turned it down because it is a huge gamble. Not to mention being controlled by a man. No thanks, I would rather make this money than being under the thumb of a man like that.
BlkSharpie
04-03-2012, 04:02 PM
I'd do that, but only because I want to see a man with money in his ass. Seriously though, I have known women who did quit jobs like dancing because the guy promised to take care of her, only to find herself alone. If they weren't married and then he dumped her there isn't a thing she can do. Unless they had kids she would get child support but nothing else. Plus, let's be honest and talk about how dancers and rich guys can be a fleeting thing where the rich guy gets tired of her, especially as she ages. I had a few possibile opportunities and turned it down because it is a huge gamble. Not to mention being controlled by a man. No thanks, I would rather make this money than being under the thumb of a man like that.
Been there, done that. After a relationship with a much older guy and we lived together for 5 years, he started making jokes that he was going to have to trade me in soon cause I was getting close to 30 (I was about 28 at the time he started saying that...and sure enough he did so by the time we broke up and I was 29) But the one thing I will never, ever forget, is when we were having an argument and I started to say "But i though that..." and he cut me off saying he does not pay me to think.
Never again.
loveshooks
04-03-2012, 04:48 PM
the one thing I will never, ever forget, is when we were having an argument and I started to say "But i though that..." and he cut me off saying he does not pay me to think. Never again.
Here you really touched on something I've been thinking throughout this whole thread (which has turned into a really cool discussion, so I'm glad as well that it wasn't closed)
In reading the wicked responses from people here, both blue and pink, who value female independence, this thread got me thinking about the types of guys who would want to be a sole earner.
Particularly in an era where entire job sectors can alter dramatically (ie: real estate, which was mentioned earlier), it's wise to have two parties in the workforce on some level. Jobs disappear all the time and income brackets can change.
As such, I would be really leery of a man who wanted to support me...like y'all have discussed money is power to a certain extent, and the type of man who would want that power wouldn't be the type of man in whom I'd feel comfortable trusting my security, both emotional and financial. The motive behind encouraging that sort of dependence would be a huge warning bell for me.
If I was with a man who desired that sort of 'traditional' ::) relationship, I'd wonder what other ideas he was holding onto as well regarding my place in our relationship.
Vyanka
04-03-2012, 05:20 PM
IMO, being a dancer makes it HARDER to date. I haven't had a BF since i've been dancing for four years straight. People forget we're human beings, & not living ageless Barbie dolls. Hard to find genuine men who love you unconditionally down the road. Not saying they don't exist & all men suck(I don't think all men suck), just makes shit more challening in my experiece anyway. BUT at least we know how to weed losers & bullshitters out faster than your average chic.
Anyway, as for being taken care of financially. I don't see a problem with it, just be damn sure of the intentions. It's great to have a SO that will support you on whatever you decide on what you want to do.
kortneykay
04-03-2012, 07:03 PM
My DH makes a good salary. I still want to make my own cash though.
Kellydancer
04-03-2012, 08:00 PM
Here you really touched on something I've been thinking throughout this whole thread (which has turned into a really cool discussion, so I'm glad as well that it wasn't closed)
In reading the wicked responses from people here, both blue and pink, who value female independence, this thread got me thinking about the types of guys who would want to be a sole earner.
Particularly in an era where entire job sectors can alter dramatically (ie: real estate, which was mentioned earlier), it's wise to have two parties in the workforce on some level. Jobs disappear all the time and income brackets can change.
As such, I would be really leery of a man who wanted to support me...like y'all have discussed money is power to a certain extent, and the type of man who would want that power wouldn't be the type of man in whom I'd feel comfortable trusting my security, both emotional and financial. The motive behind encouraging that sort of dependence would be a huge warning bell for me.
If I was with a man who desired that sort of 'traditional' ::) relationship, I'd wonder what other ideas he was holding onto as well regarding my place in our relationship.
I think some men want to be the sole or main provider or the main one if there are kids involved, especially babies. While not sure I would be open to this, I look at it much differently with the guys who never want their wives to work. Of course these are a bit different than those guys who want their hot girlfriend to stay at home and wait on them hand and foot. The guys who do this last one (especially without marriage)seem to be control freaks. I think it's very important for a woman to be financially independent because nothing is a sure thing,
ScarlettJanuary
04-03-2012, 08:13 PM
Ths thread is for SHIT
This post is for SHIT
ScarlettJanuary
04-03-2012, 08:21 PM
And on another note. I used to be roomies with my best friend from high school. We were both in university and close to finishing our degrees when she gave it all up to move in with her boyfriend who is a doctor. Long story short she and I lost contact for a couple of years....we recently reconnected and she told me that she is desperate to leave her doctor boyfriend (yes he is still her "boyfriend" after 6 or 7 years and two kids together) but every time she's tried to leave him he takes away her car keys and bank card and reminds her how he's the only one with the money to hire a good lawyer in a custody hearing.
So, yeah, I'm pretty happy to be an independent woman. I want a partner and equal in life anyways, not someone who takes care of me. With financial independence comes freedom, options and self-esteem....3 things I value very highly.
just4you
04-03-2012, 08:30 PM
IMO, being a dancer makes it HARDER to date. I haven't had a BF since i've been dancing for four years straight. People forget we're human beings, & not living ageless Barbie dolls. Hard to find genuine men who love you unconditionally down the road. Not saying they don't exist & all men suck(I don't think all men suck), just makes shit more challening in my experiece anyway. BUT at least we know how to weed losers & bullshitters out faster than your average chic.
Anyway, as for being taken care of financially. I don't see a problem with it, just be damn sure of the intentions. It's great to have a SO that will support you on whatever you decide on what you want to do.
Vyanka, in the last paragraph you have written exactly what my feelings about this topic are. As you said, the intentions are important. If the man feels jealous or intimidated by his wife earning more than him, I feel sorry for him.
However, I also find it hard to understand why it is considered a bad thing if the wife is not working and the husband is the sole provider in the famliy, provided it is a mutual decision. My mother left her very well paying teaching job when she married and assumed the role of a home maker. She is a great mother and today, me and my father both owe our successes to her. She was not earning any money but was playing a far more important role in our family that can not be substituted by any amount of money.
Kellydancer
04-03-2012, 08:41 PM
Vyanka, in the last paragraph you have written exactly what my feelings about this topic are. As you said, the intentions are important. If the man feels jealous or intimidated by his wife earning more than him, I feel sorry for him.
However, I also find it hard to understand why it is considered a bad thing if the wife is not working and the husband is the sole provider in the famliy, provided it is a mutual decision. My mother left her very well paying teaching job when she married and assumed the role of a home maker. She is a great mother and today, me and my father both owe our successes to her. She was not earning any money but was playing a far more important role in our family that can not be substituted by any amount of money.
It's not bad if she does this while married and a mother. That way if something happens she is covered. However not being married doesn't give any protection. Many friends of mine got married after having powerful jobs, and stayed home for a few years while living off their savings. I see nothing wrong with this at all because they have money to support them if something happens.
Kessler
04-04-2012, 12:51 AM
But the one thing I will never, ever forget, is when we were having an argument and I started to say "But i though that..." and he cut me off saying he does not pay me to think.
LOL - he actually said that?! That's an over-used movie line! In fact, I bet he heard the line, idolized that character in that scene, and had been hoping for the day he could use it. I'm dead serious - I work with these types all the time. This type of guy's past includes (usually, not always) being the unpopular kid who wanted so badly to fit in, but just couldn't. So he grew up and made a shit-ton of money, thinking that will give him power, respect and the elusive "cool." Only now, he overcompensates by flashing cash and saying memorized movie lines that make him feel like the powerful "ideal man." Lines like, "I don't pay you to think." The reason: inside, he's still that unpopular kid trying to belong.
Yes, steer clear - that type of guy is a child in a grown man's body who uses his toys to control others.
BlkSharpie
04-04-2012, 12:59 AM
His exact words...Ill never forget it. Wish I knew, I totally would have called him out on it that second if I knew it was a line from a movie!! But yeah, you summed things up nicely. I mean, I wouldnt have spent so many years with him if he wasnt a great guy...he was. But in the end, he started saying some pretty cruel things, but instead of breaking me down, it pissed me off, and I didnt care how much money he had, he crossed the line, and I immediately put kiddo in the car and left. Realized I had no money :D I mean, like just enough to stay in a hotel for a couple of nights, so he agreed to leave town, I went back home and prepared for my move out.
Those last few months were brutal though, I mean, I guess he reached a point where he thought he could say any and everything and I would have to stay cause he provided for me...but you've gotta be careful trying that with women who grew up poor, homeless and hungry... when you know what its like to have nothing, you arent so afraid of losing everything you have.
kristy11
04-09-2012, 08:54 PM
I went and did a simple search on google to see what the "average" annual salary was of an American in 2012. What I found sort of reaffirms what I thought was correct, and that is generally, the pool for those earning $140,000 a year (as posted in this thread) is rather small and is shrinking.
Below is an outline, but in 2012, LESS THAN 1 in 10 people made an average of $166,000 a year in the US. Now, you have to factor in which of the 2 genders is representative of that "ONE" out of "TEN" is pulling in $166,000?????? Personally, I strongly believe it is women. Why? Because we're moving from a manufacturing economy to a service based one which is ruled by women. Although the "bosses" in the service based industry are men, these men are getting older, will retire, and will be replaced by women bosses. The office-place has been termed "Pink Ghetto's" for this very reason. It will happen!
The MAJORITY of American's in 2012 were pulling is $47,000 a year.
I'm getting a very strong feeling that a lot of the people out there who are touting they make over $100,000, really aren't. If anything, most of them are more likely in debt over $100,000 which is why the economy crashed and is still hurting and will continue hurting for at least 5 more years.
What I would like to know is where are those people living that are making over $100,000 a year? Chances are, they live and work in big cities like New York, Chicago, etc etc. Typically, the standard of living in these cities are so high, that at $166,000 a year you're breaking even after paying rent/mortgage, paying for your car, parking, eating out, taxes, etc etc.
Average Salary and Economy
Average annual income in United States is around 47,000 USD, according to 2011/2012 salary survey.
Statistics shows that 50 percent of population live on $46,000 or less a year. Top 35% of highest salaries in the United States, starting with $65,000 are represented below from MyBudget survey.
•Top 0.12% of people in US earn $1,600,000/year or more
•Top 1.15% of people in US earn $250,000/year or more
•Top 3% of people in US earn $200,000/year or more
•Top 5% of people in US earn $166,000/year or more
•Top 10% of people in US earn $118,000/year or more
•Top 15% of people in US earn $100,000/year or more
•Top 20% of people in US earn $91,000/year or more
•Top 25% of people in US earn $80,000/year or more
•Top 35% of people in US earn $65,000/year or more
BlkSharpie
04-09-2012, 09:38 PM
According to US census, July 2011 there are 311,591,917 living in the US.
So then,
15% of that, earning $100k or more according to the stats you have, is almost 47 million people.
3% of that, earning $200k or more, is over 9 million people
Thats a lot of people... Even if the stats show that the majority of Americans make $47k/year, that doesnt really negate the fact that there is still a substantial amount of people making more than that, and if someone wants to meet someone who makes more than average wages, its not an impossible find.
Just do what I do...swear off wealthy men cause you dont want some guy using his money as leverage for power in the relationship...and every freaking guy you meet will be ridiculously wealthy. And try purposefully going after a guy who looks and lives like he doesnt have much money, only to find out he lives incredibly modestly, well below his means. Scope out guys who wear solid black walking sneakers, which always look brand new. As ridiculously stupid as that sounds, both of my ex's wore those as everyday casual shoes, and Ive noticed this with other guys Ive met too.
Go forth, prosper, and thank me later :D
Kellydancer
04-09-2012, 10:05 PM
I just go after men who own homes. Generally speaking if he owns a house he has a decent salary and good credit.
BlkSharpie
04-09-2012, 11:00 PM
Not sure thats a good idea with the amount of homes in foreclosure, and people refinancing their homes several times over to survive....
Nowadays, a house is more of a liability than anything...
If a guy owned and maintained several properties though, then thats not too bad...
Kellydancer
04-09-2012, 11:18 PM
True but I look at several things, like what he does for a living (and whether it can be outsourced)and his lifestyle. I've noticed in some (not all)cases if he's say 50 and still living with roommates he's probably unreliable.
BlkSharpie
04-09-2012, 11:51 PM
Okay well thats a better clari lol! Yeah, just looking at if he owns a house isnt good but a well rounded view makes sense. I dont ask for much really, at least for a guy to be on the same level I am... no roomates/not living with the 'rents, owns a car, has a decent paying job... I dont mind if a guy rents, but if I were looking for a guy with money, then yeah Id expect hed own his own home.
socialreject
04-10-2012, 05:10 AM
According to US census, July 2011 there are 311,591,917 living in the US.
So then,
15% of that, earning $100k or more according to the stats you have, is almost 47 million people.
3% of that, earning $200k or more, is over 9 million people
Thats a lot of people... Even if the stats show that the majority of Americans make $47k/year, that doesnt really negate the fact that there is still a substantial amount of people making more than that, and if someone wants to meet someone who makes more than average wages, its not an impossible find.
Just do what I do...swear off wealthy men cause you dont want some guy using his money as leverage for power in the relationship...and every freaking guy you meet will be ridiculously wealthy. And try purposefully going after a guy who looks and lives like he doesnt have much money, only to find out he lives incredibly modestly, well below his means. Scope out guys who wear solid black walking sneakers, which always look brand new. As ridiculously stupid as that sounds, both of my ex's wore those as everyday casual shoes, and Ive noticed this with other guys Ive met too.
Go forth, prosper, and thank me later :D
You can't go by those statistics because what the study shows is the percentage of WORKING Americans, not the total number. Minors and unemployed are not factored into it. So those numbers should be significantly less. 47 million working Americans making 100k a year or more is grossly over-estimated, don't you think? I mean come on, there are hardly more than 47 million working Americans in TOTAL!
I would say the numbers are closer to just 5 or 6 million (working) Americans who make 100k or more.
Jessie_tinydancer
04-10-2012, 06:30 AM
^ummmm http://finance.yahoo.com/news/pf_article_113718.html
5.94 millionaire households in the US in 2011... so I think there are a few more than 5 or 6 million making over $100K... I reckon we have at least 5 or 6 million over $100K in australia with a population of 23 million. Sure this article is including assets but I think its safe to say the chances of having over $1mil in assets and making less than $100K are not very high.
simple(headed?)guy
04-10-2012, 06:40 AM
You can't go by those statistics because what the study shows is the percentage of WORKING Americans, not the total number. Minors and unemployed are not factored into it. So those numbers should be significantly less. 47 million working Americans making 100k a year or more is grossly over-estimated, don't you think? I mean come on, there are hardly more than 47 million working Americans in TOTAL!
I would say the numbers are closer to just 5 or 6 million (working) Americans who make 100k or more.
According to the latest Washington report as of December 2011, there are approx 240.5 million Americans of working age and 58.5 % of them have formal jobs (either full-time or part-time). Using those numbers would show there are approx 20,988,000 Americans who make $100k+. These figures do not indicate age or sex.
http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/17/white-house-economic-report-hides-sharp-drop-in-number-of-working-americans/
BlkSharpie
04-10-2012, 09:44 AM
Woah woah woah! LoL I didnt post the statistics, I was just playing along with the ones posted.
I think statistics are flawed,heck even my own lil calculation is grossly flawed...notice I said "there are 311,591,917 living in the US"
That of course includes infants, the elderly, and everyone inbetween who couldnt possibly hold a job. :D
In other words...I wasnt really taking it seriously.
I mean, just as people lie to inflate how much they make, the more one makes the more they will use Hollywood accounting to fudge how much they actually make for tax purposes. And lets not forget the amount of foreigners in the US that arent counted in census or paying US taxes hence no record of at all. They are as ripe for the picking as anyone else if they travel here often enough.
My point was just that, if someone wants to meet someone making over $100k/year, its not impossible. Stats or not, thats not a crazy amount of money that only a small percentage of people make. I just find it hard to believe considering I know several people who make that much, and Im a hermit who hardly leaves the house, socializes or meets that many people :D And, considering how crappy the economy and job market are here in FL, I imagine that people out of state can and do make more and even easier to find.
minnow
04-10-2012, 10:24 AM
I went and did a simple search on google to see what the "average" annual salary was of an American in 2012. What I found sort of reaffirms what I thought was correct, and that is generally, the pool for those earning $140,000 a year (as posted in this thread) is rather small and is shrinking.
Below is an outline, but in 2012, LESS THAN 1 in 10 people made an average of $166,000 a year in the US. Now, you have to factor in which of the 2 genders is representative of that "ONE" out of "TEN" is pulling in $166,000?????? Personally, I strongly believe it is women. Why? Because we're moving from a manufacturing economy to a service based one which is ruled by women. Although the "bosses" in the service based industry are men, these men are getting older, will retire, and will be replaced by women bosses. The office-place has been termed "Pink Ghetto's" for this very reason. It will happen!
The MAJORITY of American's in 2012 were pulling is $47,000 a year.
I'm getting a very strong feeling that a lot of the people out there who are touting they make over $100,000, really aren't. If anything, most of them are more likely in debt over $100,000 which is why the economy crashed and is still hurting and will continue hurting for at least 5 more years.
What I would like to know is where are those people living that are making over $100,000 a year? Chances are, they live and work in big cities like New York, Chicago, etc etc. Typically, the standard of living in these cities are so high, that at $166,000 a year you're breaking even after paying rent/mortgage, paying for your car, parking, eating out, taxes, etc etc.
Average Salary and Economy
Average annual income in United States is around 47,000 USD, according to 2011/2012 salary survey.
Statistics shows that 50 percent of population live on $46,000 or less a year. Top 35% of highest salaries in the United States, starting with $65,000 are represented below from MyBudget survey.
•Top 0.12% of people in US earn $1,600,000/year or more
•Top 1.15% of people in US earn $250,000/year or more
•Top 3% of people in US earn $200,000/year or more
•Top 5% of people in US earn $166,000/year or more
•Top 10% of people in US earn $118,000/year or more
•Top 15% of people in US earn $100,000/year or more
•Top 20% of people in US earn $91,000/year or more
•Top 25% of people in US earn $80,000/year or more
•Top 35% of people in US earn $65,000/year or more
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Interesting survey, kristy (links, please). I'm curious exactly what measurement is being utilized ( Salary alone, W2 or total gross, income from ALL sources ???, etc, etc, etc.............)
I'll try not to muddy the waters too much, but survey could be misleading depending on how things are calculated. Two examples:
1) 401K factor: An individual showing $100K on form 1040 "bottom line" may actually better off than neighbor showing $118K if person A has an employer matching 401K plan, and person B does not. In this case, lets say A has a salary of $115K (almost as good as B), but contributes $15K to 401K plan. A would then have "only" $100K subject to taxes. B has no such plan at his job. Having, say an employer match of 50% effectively puts more money in A's total pot.
2) Both X and Z show incomes of $140K on bottom line. BUT, Mr. Z has some rental properties, and actually makes a bunch more than $140K. Because of depreciation allowances, Mr. Z has his bottom line whittled down a bunch. Who is actually richer in this case ?
If survey does indeed consider income from all sources, my apologies for muddying the water. I (and hopefully others) consider realistic factors before latching on to numbers too much.
BlkSharpie
04-10-2012, 10:59 AM
I have to be honest and say that I have never looked at the numbers of any man Ive been with, well...save for my ex husband. But yeah, Ive never asked for pay stubs or enquired about 401k or ask how much his house or car was worth. I just looked at his lifestlye/standard of life and whether or not he was able to sustain it. My best guestimate of how much a guy earned was from noticing his spending habits. Like, my ex gave me an allowance of $4k/mth (and I always ran out...and hed have a stern talk with me about money management as he gave me more :D), he was sending 2 godchildren plus my kiddo to private school (kiddos tuition was around $1200/mth) He bought his car in cash, and our house in cash too (close to $500k) plus we took trips, ate out every single night. etc etc etc. And I later found out he had 2 other gf's that he was giving allowances to....one of them contacted me to brag he was giving her about $2k/mth.
My other ex, on top of his living expenses has a budget of about $5k towards trying to get his band off the ground, between paying PR agents, a promo agent, equipment, studio time, travel for meetings etc. Plus he eats out for lunch and dinner every day (he has been experimenting with cooking though...and has come a long way from the day he called me in a panic cause the egg he was trying to cook exploded in his microwave. :D) Plus hes a hypochondriac and has a chiropractor, nutritionist, some holistic healer, a throat dr, his dermatologist...Im sure Im forgetting one or two. At least 2 times a week hes at one dr or another and he pays full since its not covered by insurance. He doesnt spend wisely at all, not like the first guy who is set....I did always kind of worry about how he can keep this up.
Anyway, my whole point was that sometimes it just takes paying attention. Like if someone is looking for someone who earns a certain amount to take care of them like this thread is about..the first guy I mention is way better off than the second one...cause the second one has no money management skills, and cause of that has gone broke once and ended up on his ex gfs couch til she kicked him out. Youd think he learned but hes still spending the exact same way.
socialreject
04-10-2012, 04:23 PM
Another point to consider is what percentage of the ones who make over 100k a year ever visit a strip club? Dancers only have an opportunity to meet a fraction of those. So my figure of only 4 or 5 million might still be too high, considering this.
All Good Things
04-10-2012, 04:28 PM
If survey does indeed consider income from all sources, my apologies for muddying the water. I (and hopefully others) consider realistic factors before latching on to numbers too much.
I thought it was interesting that the OP latched onto "ideal salary" as the criterion of relative wealth, and then sort of ran out of imagination at around 140K in gross, pre-tax income, which often dwindles below 100K before it ever enters his pocket.
As you've pointed out, a better approach to capture the top income categories -- certainly in the U.S. -- would be to look at all other forms of income first, such as dividends, interest, proceeds from business operations, property rentals, etc.
Presumably, if this number is large enough, the whole issue of salary goes away, anyway.
Dancers' polls on such subjects have typically zeroed right in on net worth, which makes a lot more sense, of course.
socialreject
04-10-2012, 04:50 PM
I thought it was interesting that the OP latched onto "ideal salary" as the criterion of relative wealth, and then sort of ran out of imagination at around 140K in gross, pre-tax income, which often dwindles below 100K before it ever enters his pocket.
As you've pointed out, a better approach to capture the top income categories -- certainly in the U.S. -- would be to look at all other forms of income first, such as dividends, interest, proceeds from business operations, property rentals, etc.
Presumably, if this number is large enough, the whole issue of salary goes away, anyway.
Dancers' polls on such subjects have typically zeroed right in on net worth, which makes a lot more sense, of course.
True, but someone could have a net worth of zero dollars, but still have income over a million per year. Another example, and this might be iffy, is Donald Trump. He has had net worth in the pennies before, but that has more to do with Tax Evasion/Shelters/What He Reports To The IRS/The Fluctuation of Stock Market, than what he actually "has".
All Good Things
04-10-2012, 05:08 PM
^ The only cases I can think of where somebody would have a plausible net worth of zero dollars and an income over one million USD annually would be professional athletes who are still young and foolish, very successful hip-hop artists who think the money will never end and newly successful movie actors, as well as a few others in motion picture development and other fields of entertainment. And lottery winners, which includes employees working for companies going public through IPOs.
Oh, and Charlie Sheen.
There are other examples (independent oil field development is one), but in the overwhelming number of cases involving either inherited wealth or earned wealth, there is some record of the previous years' millions piling up somewhere.
And don't get me started on The Donald. He was born a multimillionaire, has always had family money throughout all his ups and downs, and has the incredibly poor taste to pretend publicly that his loud mouth and boorish behavior have anything to do with his "success."
Take away his money and dump him in the South Bronx and he'd be eaten by dawn.
socialreject
04-10-2012, 05:14 PM
^ The only cases I can think of where somebody would have a plausible net worth of zero dollars and an income over one million USD annually would be professional athletes who are still young and foolish, very successful hip-hop artists who think the money will never end and newly successful movie actors, as well as a few others in motion picture development and other fields of entertainment. And lottery winners, which includes employees working for companies going public through IPOs.
Oh, and Charlie Sheen.
There are other examples (independent oil field development is one), but in the overwhelming number of cases involving either inherited wealth or earned wealth, there is some record of the previous years' millions piling up somewhere.
And don't get me started on The Donald. He was born a multimillionaire, has always had family money throughout all his ups and downs, and has the incredibly poor taste to pretend publicly that his loud mouth and boorish behavior have anything to do with his "success."
Take away his money and dump him in the South Bronx and he'd be eaten by dawn.
Well, I always thought of him as more entertaining on a "reality" tv show than in real life. That's saying a lot for me, too, because I have the utmost disdain for "reality" tv.
Kellydancer
04-10-2012, 05:14 PM
Okay well thats a better clari lol! Yeah, just looking at if he owns a house isnt good but a well rounded view makes sense. I dont ask for much really, at least for a guy to be on the same level I am... no roomates/not living with the 'rents, owns a car, has a decent paying job... I dont mind if a guy rents, but if I were looking for a guy with money, then yeah Id expect hed own his own home.
It's funny because now that I'm looking for a husband as compared to a boyfriend I take this more in consideration. For a boyfriend I don't care if he rents but if he's a potential husband I hope he already owns a house. I think as I get more in seeking my husband I am becoming far more traditional and want a guy who is ready to be a husband and father and the signs I've seen with guys ready is they own a house.
BlkSharpie
04-10-2012, 07:37 PM
It's funny because now that I'm looking for a husband as compared to a boyfriend I take this more in consideration. For a boyfriend I don't care if he rents but if he's a potential husband I hope he already owns a house. I think as I get more in seeking my husband I am becoming far more traditional and want a guy who is ready to be a husband and father and the signs I've seen with guys ready is they own a house.
I actually do not mind either way...Ive always been a serious dater though (being a mom at 19 does that I guess lol) so I havnt really dated for fun as opposed to someone I could see a future with...so at least as much as I have has been my basic minimum. The older Ive gotten, the more Ive acquired/maintained on my own, so cause of that my expectations grew with it. I could understand if a guy who was single didnt own a home yet...I would prefer to go house-hunting and have a new place all our own. Of course if I end up buying a home before I meet someone then Id either want him to be a homeowner too, or at least have the means to be.
RedDragon
04-11-2012, 03:53 PM
Another point to consider is what percentage of the ones who make over 100k a year ever visit a strip club? Dancers only have an opportunity to meet a fraction of those. So my figure of only 4 or 5 million might still be too high, considering this.
I've worked for quite a few really rich men in my time and I never met a millionaire who didn't regularly visit strip clubs or pay for sex (and they didn't make a secret of it either).
So I would definitely say that people visiting strip clubs will statistically speaking have above-average salaries. You've got to know your way pretty well though to find the clubs where the ultra-rich hang out. They never invited me.
RedDragon
04-11-2012, 03:58 PM
In reading the wicked responses from people here, both blue and pink, who value female independence, this thread got me thinking about the types of guys who would want to be a sole earner.
The OP never mentioned not working. He just asked how much you would want to quit stripping. That's not the same as not having any job.
Just saying.
RedDragon
04-11-2012, 04:07 PM
What I would like to know is where are those people living that are making over $100,000 a year? Chances are, they live and work in big cities like New York, Chicago, etc etc. Typically, the standard of living in these cities are so high, that at $166,000 a year you're breaking even after paying rent/mortgage, paying for your car, parking, eating out, taxes, etc etc.
It's not just salary but lifestyle and attitudes.
I know people who are making 40 something k, have several kids, own a house and are going on vacations regularly and don't appear to be missing out on any good stuff.
I also know people making at least 200k and they always seem to be broke and seeking to borrow money off friends because they can't pay the rent.
It's a question of spending wisely and controlling your budget. No matter how much or little you have.
I cannot imagine that there are many locations in the USA, or in the world even, where somebody making 166K is having a hard life unless they're really wasting their money.
kristy11
04-11-2012, 08:12 PM
According to US census, July 2011 there are 311,591,917 living in the US.
So then,
15% of that, earning $100k or more according to the stats you have, is almost 47 million people.
3% of that, earning $200k or more, is over 9 million people
Thats a lot of people... Even if the stats show that the majority of Americans make $47k/year, that doesnt really negate the fact that there is still a substantial amount of people making more than that, and if someone wants to meet someone who makes more than average wages, its not an impossible find.
Just do what I do...swear off wealthy men cause you dont want some guy using his money as leverage for power in the relationship...and every freaking guy you meet will be ridiculously wealthy. And try purposefully going after a guy who looks and lives like he doesnt have much money, only to find out he lives incredibly modestly, well below his means. Scope out guys who wear solid black walking sneakers, which always look brand new. As ridiculously stupid as that sounds, both of my ex's wore those as everyday casual shoes, and Ive noticed this with other guys Ive met too.
Go forth, prosper, and thank me later :D
Only one thing wrong with your numbers. You're assuming EVERY American is employed.
You need to factor in the following;
1. Those who are unemployed.
2. Those who are unemployed and have been so for longer than a year and have fallen off the list such that when they gather unemployment numbers, these people are no longer taken into account!
3. Those who have given up completely of ever finding any employment and are on social assistance forever.
4. Those who are not employed "full-time" but instead, are "part-time". Part-timer's are never included in employment statistics because their employment is considered unstable/inconsistentunreliable for being included in the numbers.
Simply put, unless you're a stripper working for a club where you clock in every shift and work a minimum 35 hour work-week, you're not included in these statistics either.
kristy11
04-11-2012, 08:20 PM
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Interesting survey, kristy (links, please). I'm curious exactly what measurement is being utilized ( Salary alone, W2 or total gross, income from ALL sources ???, etc, etc, etc.............)
I'll try not to muddy the waters too much, but survey could be misleading depending on how things are calculated. Two examples:
1) 401K factor: An individual showing $100K on form 1040 "bottom line" may actually better off than neighbor showing $118K if person A has an employer matching 401K plan, and person B does not. In this case, lets say A has a salary of $115K (almost as good as B), but contributes $15K to 401K plan. A would then have "only" $100K subject to taxes. B has no such plan at his job. Having, say an employer match of 50% effectively puts more money in A's total pot.
2) Both X and Z show incomes of $140K on bottom line. BUT, Mr. Z has some rental properties, and actually makes a bunch more than $140K. Because of depreciation allowances, Mr. Z has his bottom line whittled down a bunch. Who is actually richer in this case ?
If survey does indeed consider income from all sources, my apologies for muddying the water. I (and hopefully others) consider realistic factors before latching on to numbers too much.
I pulled my info from this link below;
http://www.averagesalarysurvey.com/article/average-salary-in-united-states/15200316.aspx
Kellydancer
04-12-2012, 12:34 AM
I'm wondering why we are talking about these people? Why the fuck would anyone on this site consider enter a stable relationship with, much less give up their income to be with, a person who has given up on ever finding employment? Why should we settle for someone making $47,000 a year and agree to split their meager earnings?
The way you post is making me question your ribbon...
Well to be fair, how many times have we heard about women dating guys who weren't working or making enough and supporting them? I've known women (not dancers)who have quit jobs when the man even made less than that so nothing surprises me anymore. I'm not even sure why the unemployed or those on assistance were brought up because that had nothing to do with this silly thread, unless of course maybe one of these men (or men pretending to be women)thinks that women desire men who are on assistance forever.
BlkSharpie
04-12-2012, 01:12 AM
Only one thing wrong with your numbers. You're assuming EVERY American is employed.
You need to factor in the following;
1. Those who are unemployed.
2. Those who are unemployed and have been so for longer than a year and have fallen off the list such that when they gather unemployment numbers, these people are no longer taken into account!
3. Those who have given up completely of ever finding any employment and are on social assistance forever.
4. Those who are not employed "full-time" but instead, are "part-time". Part-timer's are never included in employment statistics because their employment is considered unstable/inconsistentunreliable for being included in the numbers.
Simply put, unless you're a stripper working for a club where you clock in every shift and work a minimum 35 hour work-week, you're not included in these statistics either.
Im glad you caught that....though you missed my message afterwards where I said:
Woah woah woah! LoL I didnt post the statistics, I was just playing along with the ones posted.
I think statistics are flawed,heck even my own lil calculation is grossly flawed...notice I said "there are 311,591,917 living in the US"
That of course includes infants, the elderly, and everyone inbetween who couldnt possibly hold a job.
In other words...I wasnt really taking it seriously.
Seven figures. Anything less than that and I feel like the guy would give me shit for how I spend money. I like being independent.
Kimba71
04-20-2012, 07:25 AM
I could care less if my man was rich or poor....if I loved him, I'd be with him regardless of his salary.
Hell, some of my best memories and best times came when we were broke as fuck.
This really makes it sound like "so, how much of a gold digger are you"...in my opinion. :/
My opnion exactly:) nicly put
Siddarth
04-26-2012, 06:11 PM
I have to agree with strippers on this thread. 140K is not a whole lot of money especially if you have to support a non-working spouse. On top of that, if she is high maintenance girl then that sum is just a pocket change and nothing more than that. I make good money and yet I never asked my wife to quit working. But of course, she took it upon herself to quit working.
flyguy29
04-27-2012, 04:19 AM
This poll suggests that strippers are in the profession because they don't have reasonable alternatives other than a sugar daddy. If I were a waiter, I guess I need my lady to, make $150k?
Siddarth
04-27-2012, 04:11 PM
I know some waiters that make way more than $150K.
unbeleavable
04-27-2012, 07:12 PM
This poll suggests that strippers are in the profession because they don't have reasonable alternatives other than a sugar daddy. If I were a waiter, I guess I need my lady to, make $150k?
Obviously you don't understand the question, if you want to ask a woman that is making good money to stop their job whatever it is, your going to need to be making good money yourself to supplement her income.
cherryblossomsinspring
04-28-2012, 04:41 AM
This seems to be a valid question. However I don't think its should just be "your man". Because he could make $200,000 a year and still give you $100 a month to get by on. So I really think it not only depends on his income but also what level the relationship is at. Is this "the one" or is this "for now". Are you married to him? just f-buddies with additional benefits? It really depends on how much he has , how generous he is with what he has and what you plan to do with all this time off. Some dancers have left the industry after being whisked away by a well off bf however it didn't turn out so well because he wasn't sharing his wealth or was hording his income. What eventually happened is that the level of control he had over her comings and goings resembled a father figure than an actual partner. So yes money will always be of importance in the land where everything runs on it but still women in the industry need to have some sort of monthly expected financial to be given or you're just around until he says hit the ground. If she's getting a monthly allowance or stipend of sorts that enough for her shopping, clothes etc and also something to put away then yes it makes sense. Someone having alot is not necessarily going to give you alot in some respects because their wealth and lifestyle is generally what attracted the woman to him in the first place. If she's saving the money he's giving her and later he decides he wants a new vag to stick , then she's set up with some income for all the time she's been out of work. If she hasn't saved then she'll generally have to start from scratch a few pounds heavier,older and maybe out of shape. Plus she may have gotten used to a certain lifestyle that she'll have to fight tooth and nail to keep.
No point in having a wealthy selfish man that you have no legal ties to. Get an allowance or he's paying the rent or maybe you have some at home side job that doesn't cause too many issues. Plus if she's not in school , this would be a perfect time to go back or start.
Kellydancer
04-28-2012, 01:02 PM
I started a thread in another section asking if women would be open to being a housewife and quite a few said only if he's rich. To me this says a lot about women, especially independent women. Meaning that smart women realize that if they are going to put themselves making money on hold they need to make sure the money is coming from somewhere. Also, I believe the majority mentioned only if they were married and quite a few mentioned if they had kids.
My point of mentioning this is because smart women realize that you can't depend on a man in many cases, like not being married. The reality is if a dancer quits dancing to take care of her man she wants to make sure she doesn't suffer financial setbacks. If you aren't married to the guy and he gets bored of you (as often happens)the woman is in serious financial trouble. If she hasn't worked in years she might find that she will struggle to recover. Even if she was married she will often find trouble, though at least in many of these cases she will receive alimony and child support if there are kids.
I know quite a few women who quit working for a man but in the majority of these cases were professional women with skills who married professional men and they decided she would stay home with the kids until they went to school. Many of them had savings that allowed them to do this for a few years and also they kept in contact with people so when they went back to work they were able to. Others had jobs they could do at home and still others worked parttime. They are the exception because they didn't leave a job for a boyfriend.
ScarlettJanuary
05-04-2012, 09:41 AM
For me to quit stripping my man would need to make enough money to pay a doctor to remove the part of my brain that knows its a bad idea to rely on anyone else for money....EVER.
yoda57us
05-04-2012, 10:54 AM
For me to quit stripping my man would need to make enough money to pay a doctor to remove the part of my brain that knows its a bad idea to rely on anyone else for money....EVER.
Absolutely f'n brilliant!