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laurielegs
05-09-2012, 07:22 AM
You need to realize this has been tried multiple times since 2001 and failed each and every time. It really makes no difference whether we like it or not. It does not sell.
and it's being done yet again here:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?171901
Vernon03
05-09-2012, 08:08 AM
Live and learn - I guess. Cam girls don't like it and it does not sell. Oh well.
You need to realize this has been tried multiple times since 2001 and failed each and every time. It really makes no difference whether we like it or not. It does not sell.
and it's being done yet again here:
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?171901
roast
05-09-2012, 09:25 AM
Why not offer this to performers for free or pay them to use it & represent the product. Id hope this is built into most companies who have virtual sex machine business models? Isobel probably knows.
Yea this is totally a self-interested comment but Im not confident youd turn a huge profit from performers on it - you may fare better taking a financial blow & create a bunch, give it to performers/paying top models to talk it up, and hope a few customers get excited from seeing a bunch of girls using it.
From my own (so you know, anecdotal) experience - guys who like fucking machines (even as basic as a dildo drill which is all I have) usually flock to group/discounted/short shows. If this is a one-on-one gadget (most virtual sex machines are) figuring out how to tap into the whole exhibitionism quality of high-tipping/buying customers.
Or giving guys software they can just download & control the toy with without buying a device that they pay per each use would probably take off way faster? Especially guys whose cam usage is discreet (probably most). Unless Im misunderstanding this, a big ole sex device used to fuck girls on the internet probably wouldnt go over well with anyone but a single guy who lives alone & has on children. Bonus is the cost for you and them wouldnt be as onerous.
But if you insist on a device the customer must actually own --- certain guys knowing that they paid for a roomfull of customers to watch them virtually fuck one girl could take off...especially them outbidding each other to get control. So figuring out how to capitalize on that would probably be beneficial. But youd really need model (well first a major camsite) buyin first. Most virtual sex machines have royally failed for some reason and Im sure the technology is expensive to make.
It has always been an interesting concept but it may help to actually figure out why theyve all mostly failed before going all-out advertising this.
EDIT: Oh you already are. Well.... ok. You should mine xbiz for all of the virtual sex toy devices and their press releases and look to see if they still exist. If you want to remain viable, Id hope youd consider giving a few away to a small set of performers / cam sites or pay models to brand it for you or at the very least consider investing in a (inexpensive) downloadable program for customers who cant have hardware. I hate saying inexpensive or free to an entrepreneur but the majority of customers arent mega-spenders, theyd need to pay-per-use before investing a ton in a product their not sure if their favorite models would even have. Id guess most of the top models on MFC dont buy the majority of their state-of-the-art gadgets.
Vernon03
05-09-2012, 10:07 AM
In this case the guy does not buy the device and, since it is browser controlled, he does not have to download or buy software. The idea was to offer the client the opportunity to talk on the phone, watch on cam, operate the clitoral stimulation toy and observe the resultant plesmograph arousal level. For that he would (hopefully) pay $65 for a 20 minute show. Since this is not plug and play and you have to be able to set up a router and know a little about networks, the device would be located in a studio. I planned on starting with one model who would have a 50% interest in the business and, if it took off, expand from my workshop into a studio. I had no plans to sell the device - just use it as equipment in my studio if it proved successful. Certainly before I invested in giving some away for brand recognition it would have to demonstrate commercial viablity. Also, everybody on here seems to hate it and does not want me sending them one.
Usage would be as discreet as any other web cam - the client operates it with his mouse and clicks buttons on the screen. It is a one on one gadget - just like phone sex is one on one. This can be thought of as an enhancement of phone sex or one on one webcamming.
As far as tapping into the exhibition thing, you could belong to another mainstream website - you explain to the viewers that a patron of your personal site is going to operate the sex toy after your assistant ties you up or something along those lines. That way the toy controling subscriber is paying $65 for 20 minutes (or other competitive rate) and the chatters in the other room are tipping (or have tipped to reach your show fee). While they are tipping they may get the urge to try operating the machine at some point and that ability compounds your popularity.
Why not offer this to performers for free or pay them to use it & represent the product. Id hope this is built into most companies who have virtual sex machine business models? Isobel probably knows.
Yea this is totally a self-interested comment but Im not confident youd turn a huge profit from performers on it - you may fare better taking a financial blow & create a bunch, give it to performers/paying top models to talk it up, and hope a few customers get excited from seeing a bunch of girls using it.
From my own (so you know, anecdotal) experience - guys who like fucking machines (even as basic as a dildo drill which is all I have) usually flock to group/discounted/short shows. If this is a one-on-one gadget (most virtual sex machines are) figuring out how to tap into the whole exhibitionism quality of high-tipping/buying customers.
Or giving guys software they can just download & control the toy with without buying a device that they pay per each use would probably take off way faster? Especially guys whose cam usage is discreet (probably most). Unless Im misunderstanding this, a big ole sex device used to fuck girls on the internet probably wouldnt go over well with anyone but a single guy who lives alone & has on children. Bonus is the cost for you and them wouldnt be as onerous.
But if you insist on a device the customer must actually own --- certain guys knowing that they paid for a roomfull of customers to watch them virtually fuck one girl could take off...especially them outbidding each other to get control. So figuring out how to capitalize on that would probably be beneficial. But youd really need model (well first a major camsite) buyin first. Most virtual sex machines have royally failed for some reason and Im sure the technology is expensive to make.
It has always been an interesting concept but it may help to actually figure out why theyve all mostly failed before going all-out advertising this.
EDIT: Oh you already are. Well.... ok. You should mine xbiz for all of the virtual sex toy devices and their press releases and look to see if they still exist. If you want to remain viable, Id hope youd consider giving a few away to a small set of performers / cam sites or pay models to brand it for you or at the very least consider investing in a (inexpensive) downloadable program for customers who cant have hardware. I hate saying inexpensive or free to an entrepreneur but the majority of customers arent mega-spenders, theyd need to pay-per-use before investing a ton in a product their not sure if their favorite models would even have. Id guess most of the top models on MFC dont buy the majority of their state-of-the-art gadgets.
RealTouchPM
05-09-2012, 04:14 PM
Looks like I was a bit late to the comment party on this one.
My comment is to point out that this homemade type of gadget is in no way similar to the RealTouch family of products. It always pains me when we (RealTouch) get mentioned in the same breath as something like this. My comments aren’t directed at the original poster of this thread, but more a general response to those people that are interested in this type of technology.
Allowing the guy to control a toy for the model, just simply doesn’t make sense. For exactly the reason that many of the models have pointed out, the guys have no idea at all how to get the girls off. The models are put off by this notion and it just doesn’t work for them. The companies producing these products expect the models to pay for something that hasn’t even proven itself as a viable product. Or in this case, come to a “studio” to perform.
Allowing the model to control what the guy feels, from anywhere in the world, that is where the industry changes. If the guy can feel what you are doing with the dildo to pleasure yourself, the guy will get off. He gets to watch, he gets to hear, and most importantly he gets to feel every stroke. He may ask that you move faster or slower etc, but essentially anything you do, he feels and that’s what makes our product different. You are in control, you decide if you are going to slow down or speed up, if you want to tease and not move the device and make him beg for it, you can. If you want to get the guy off as fast or as slowly as you want, just like in real life, you can do that. The power is in the cam models control. Sure the guy is paying for a session, but you decide what you do with the device.
The device which started this thread isn’t in any way synchronized with video, nor could it be. I’ll skip the technical issues I have with this particular device except to say sending direct commands via a web interface to a router isn’t exactly rocket science. I’ll also go ahead and submit my “I can do that in my free time with an Arduino” comment. Heck if any hobbyist did want to build something like this with an Arduino, I know someone that makes an Arduino shield specifically for that. Hey Kyle!
RealTouch Interactive is the only adult toy ever designed and mass produced that can transmit in real-time, fully synchronized audio/video/touch data.
None of the other toys mentioned have ever approached the type of real-time interaction we provide.
Models are using our technology every day during our beta test phase, and we will be launching our full site soon.
Many of the models on this thread have pointed out that this type of device has been done before, and to some extent they are correct. The viewer controlling some type of high latency toy that is presumably “getting the model off” has been tried before and most if not all have failed miserably.
Like I said Vernon, my comments aren’t directed at you, just this type of technology in general.
Please let’s not compare that to what RealTouch Interactive can do.
I’m happy to discuss this topic at length with anyone interested, just PM me.
RealTouch
Laurisa
05-09-2012, 04:24 PM
I would not allow a stranger over the internet to remotely control a dildo/vibrator that touched any part of my body. Not now, not ever. Nope, absolutely fucking not.
Vernon03
05-09-2012, 05:04 PM
It doesn't use an Arduino - I don't even have an Arduino. It uses a Freescale MOD5270 processor. I didn't say it was rocket science - common C and assembler programming mostly.
As far as fully synchronized - WTF ? You click the button, the dildo moves, and you watch. It doesn't get any more synchronized than that.
Your's requires that the guy have a machine and that the girl have a machine. That is great, and like you said it is certainly totally different than mine - but requires more investment and commitment by the client. There are about 2 billion females on the planet, they don't live on Mars, and you can find one to play with your penis in person while you personally lick her clit. Happens every day so at some point the expense and complexity defy reason. Spending money on stimulation for the client from a distance - is replacing dinners and bottled of wine he could be buying for a real time chick.
Note that I could make something like yours - but then I would have to test it on penises, that would be kind of gay, so I just can't do it. I would have to hire a female programmer for that. I don't mind, and rather enjoy testing devices on pussies.
Vernon03
05-09-2012, 05:10 PM
Also - latency depends mostly on network conditions and I don't experience any noticible latency - I have operated it from internet cafes while talking to an observer on the phone and it moves right now. Under some conditions the video may have a slight delay - but that will happen with any video. Right now I am getting a 0.5 second delay between the NIST time standard and my PC. Nothing anyone can do about that. You would get that with your device.
RealTouchPM
05-09-2012, 05:53 PM
“It doesn't use an Arduino - I don't even have an Arduino. It uses a Freescale MOD5270 processor. I didn't say it was rocket science - common C and assembler programming mostly. “
I never said your device used and Arduino, I said it was simple enough to do with one. It’s was obvious from looking at your site how you went about doing this. Our device doesn’t use an Arduino either, I just happen to like them.
“As far as fully synchronized - WTF ? You click the button, the dildo moves, and you watch. It doesn't get any more synchronized than that.”
You just made my point, there is a big difference between turning a relay on or off remotely and having an fully synchronized system where the movement the viewer sees on the screen matches the physical movement they feel locally via the RealTouch. In your system there is no correlation between when the viewer clicks on the button and when your device actually moves. This is where a lot of people get confused and think all devices like this are similar, this is why I replied to the thread, because our device was mentioned and I wanted to explain the difference. Had our device not been mentioned, I wouldn’t have bothered to comment on this thread.
“Your's requires that the guy have a machine and that the girl have a machine. That is great, and like you said it is certainly totally different than mine - but requires more investment and commitment by the client”
Yes our system does require the viewer have a RealTouch device, that is the experience we are providing, and there are already thousands of RealTouch devices being used with our VOD product already.
“There are about 2 billion females on the planet, they don't live on Mars, and you can find one to play with your penis in person while you personally lick her clit. Happens every day so at some point the expense and complexity defy reason. Spending money on stimulation for the client from a distance - is replacing dinners and bottled of wine he could be buying for a real time chick. “
Using this logic then there is no need for your system at all, since I can watch MFC all day and never feel or pay for anything. Plenty of girls on there are using fucking machine type toys already. You anticipated someone would want to pay $60 for 20 minutes of viewing time, seems like that would buy part of a dinner.
Your comment also ignores the fact that there are many men out there where, for whatever reason, the simple wine and dinner solution just isn’t an option. Going out and paying for sex simply isn’t an option for a multitude or reasons for some people. If a cam model/performer wishes to expand her options and offer a service where she can provide a unique experience in addition to the standard video/audio for the viewer, our device provides that.
“Note that I could make something like yours - but then I would have to test it on penises, that would be kind of gay, so I just can't do it. I would have to hire a female programmer for that. I don't mind, and rather enjoy testing devices on pussies.”
Now you are just being strange.
“Also - latency depends mostly on network conditions and I don't experience any noticible latency - I have operated it from internet cafes while talking to an observer on the phone and it moves right now. Under some conditions the video may have a slight delay - but that will happen with any video. Right now I am getting a 0.5 second delay between the NIST time standard and my PC. Nothing anyone can do about that. You would get that with your device.”
Sure latency does depend on network conditions, and yes you are correct there will always be some measure of latency in a video broadcast. However I was referring to the lack of any synchronization in your system. Your system is clicking and turning on a servo. Our system is moving two belts, an orifice, heat and lube command on the viewer side which are exactly synchronized with the action the model is performing on screen with our input device.
Like I said, I wasn’t directly commenting on your device, I didn’t mean to offend you, I just wanted to explain how our device isn’t anything like your device or the many other similar devices already out there. My comments could have been related to ANY of the so called internet controlled sex toys currently on the market.
None can do what ours does.
Enjoy your work.
RealTouch
LilMissMuffett
05-09-2012, 06:00 PM
Rubbing clits has to better for humanity in general than Windows 3.1 was. ROFL!! hahah!!! awesome, Vernon03, I needed that laugh tonight! ;)
PrincessLuna
05-09-2012, 06:23 PM
Note that I could make something like yours - but then I would have to test it on penises, that would be kind of gay, so I just can't do it. I would have to hire a female programmer for that.
This is why you should have nothing to do with the adult industry. You're too much of a child "omg that's icky cooties!" You're not mature enough to be around men if it means to further enhance your product, you talk nonstop about our clits as is you've actually been around enough of them (doubtful), you're anti legalization of prostitution to help keep women safe and off the streets, and you think having sex outside of being in love is wrong yet you're trying to sell a sex toy for strangers to use on women. Not to mention that you do not have the slightest clue about what women want outside of a female who's company you paid for.
Get out my of my sex industry, get out, get out, get out.
aberrant
05-09-2012, 06:45 PM
The OP sounds like a gigantic creep.
Some of his quotes really make him sound like a skeezy guy who fantasies about getting to watch/impress ladies with his amazing interweb fucking skills, and without paying for it!
Also, he seems very immature and unsuited to this industry.
Issues with the device aside (and there are plenty..) I would never want to work with someone who gives off such a creep vibe, not to mention egotistical and naive.
Vernon03
05-09-2012, 06:49 PM
I am for total decriminalization of privately conducted "prostitution". My view is that adults should be able to have sex for any reason, even an economic reason, in private and without investigation by the government. Lawrence vs. Texas established a right of sexual privacy and that would include whether sex took place or not in my room. I personally don't like to have full sex unless there is love (but I will do cunnilingus) but that is just me. I could be totally asexual and invent something. I could have a fear of airplanes, never fly, yet invent an improved parachute. I could never have touched a clit and invent this. I don't see what my personal foibles or level of sexual experience have to with this. I could hire a female programmer to deal with penii if I wanted - this is a free country and if I don't want to touch a penis I don't have to.
One female above said she did not want a vibrator controlled by another person touching her - I did not opine that she should be expelled from the adult industry. She can work within her parameters and I will work within mine.
roast
05-09-2012, 06:57 PM
uhhh
http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lrwmhyrM7L1qd7lz6o1_500.gif
this is what I get for skimming. I never learn.
Vernon03
05-09-2012, 06:58 PM
Umm - isn't sex a manifestation of symetrical desire ? I think I should be able to freely find whoever might be impressed with anything I do and have sex with them, virtual or real, without paying for it. I think it is illegal to pay for it and, surprisingly, I also like to have a checking account without unlawfully robbing banks. I am not trying to compell anyone to work for me - and I will note that this was just a humorous side project that used TCP/IP routines developed for more serious projects. I just wanted to see if it would go over.
I think you are just trolling this thread because you want to play with my penis without paying for it. You are kind of egotistical in that respect.
The OP sounds like a gigantic creep.
Some of his quotes really make him sound like a skeezy guy who fantasies about getting to watch/impress ladies with his amazing interweb fucking skills, and without paying for it!
Also, he seems very immature and unsuited to this industry.
Issues with the device aside (and there are plenty..) I would never want to work with someone who gives off such a creep vibe, not to mention egotistical and naive.
HaydenBlue
05-09-2012, 10:11 PM
I think you are just trolling this thread because you want to play with my penis without paying for it.
I know this wasn't meant for me but: bwhahahahahahahaha.
Tsani
05-09-2012, 10:13 PM
Umm - isn't sex a manifestation of symetrical desire ? I think I should be able to freely find whoever might be impressed with anything I do and have sex with them, virtual or real, without paying for it. I think it is illegal to pay for it and, surprisingly, I also like to have a checking account without unlawfully robbing banks. I am not trying to compell anyone to work for me - and I will note that this was just a humorous side project that used TCP/IP routines developed for more serious projects. I just wanted to see if it would go over.
I think you are just trolling this thread because you want to play with my penis without paying for it. You are kind of egotistical in that respect.
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Decalyn
05-09-2012, 10:14 PM
I think you are just trolling this thread because you want to play with my penis without paying for it. You are kind of egotistical in that respect.
My mind. Is blown.
http://homepage.4208056.n2.nabble.com/file/n6941814/why.jpg
BringOnTheMen
05-09-2012, 11:00 PM
I love it when guys use positive feedback they got from strippers at a SC as proof they are right. Cuz you know, when I'm at work it's not like I have financial interest in pretending to be random guys' sexy bff.
KateSwallows
05-10-2012, 03:33 AM
P.S I get £52 for a 20 minute show, which is apparently $83..... So the figure you proposed for even using this thing? Were up our own arses aka we respect ourselves SINCE we started working this business, because we've seen how men are freeloaders, creeps, and try to make money/free pleasure from US.. Just give up vernon.. No cammodel would consider this never even mind a STUDIO?!
Get some experience in this industry first, no amount of assuming comes anywhere near the truth as to WHY we do this or WHAT we want out of it
Please... Just give up on here lol
Vernon03
05-10-2012, 04:43 AM
Obviously - the figure could go up and down with market conditions. I did not say that unless it was $65 exactly - I would take my toy and go home. Also, I am sure that the major cam sites are owned by men who drive Bentleys and have made a ton of money from cam girls and who will continue to do that. Some guy who sits on his yacht and smokes a fine cigar while you do a show is probably making more from that show than you are - so I don't understand your huge concern about me making some money. Note that I was offering 50% of the business if it took off and the potential ability for you to sit on a yacht.
And Jeez - the several girls I tested this on got "free pleasure" - should I be upset ? There is probably some guy who tests Corvettes for GM and gets to take one home for the weekend. He gets free driving pleasure - should I get mad about stuff that that ? Then I gave my neighbor a jump about a month ago - free. I have a commercial pilots license and gave lots of people free airplane rides. OMG - I feel used because it so terrible to simply give happiness to all those creepy people.
P.S I get £52 for a 20 minute show, which is apparently $83..... So the figure you proposed for even using this thing? Were up our own arses aka we respect ourselves SINCE we started working this business, because we've seen how men are freeloaders, creeps, and try to make money/free pleasure from US.. Just give up vernon.. No cammodel would consider this never even mind a STUDIO?!
Get some experience in this industry first, no amount of assuming comes anywhere near the truth as to WHY we do this or WHAT we want out of it
Please... Just give up on here lol
Vernon03
05-10-2012, 05:11 AM
I love it when guys use positive feedback they got from strippers at a SC as proof they are right. Cuz you know, when I'm at work it's not like I have financial interest in pretending to be random guys' sexy bff.
The first chick was a stripper and since she took the time to test it and take pics for a website she must have had some actual belief. The one on the page I linked in my initial post is not a stripper and just lived nearby. I talked to several who, while they didn't want to do it (they were shy or whatever) thought it was a good idea.
It is not something I have to do but if I find someone to do it - I will seriously try it. I don't really see a downside. If people will pay to chat, cam, and talk, why would they be opposed to chat, cam, talk and clit diddle ? Maybe I will get free pleasure too - and I like that. Free pleasure always makes my day - but of course I like the provider of the pleasure to get an equal amount of free pleasure. So I guess that makes it more of an even trade.
Some people argued against the idea of cruise control in cars - said that the driver would fall asleep if he didn't have to keep his foot on the gas and nobody would want that - but people buy cars with cruise control.
_natasha
05-10-2012, 05:16 AM
Ugh.... I thought the whole idea of camming was that you don't have to deal with creepy guys touching you - directly or indirectly?
Vernon03
05-10-2012, 05:38 AM
Ugh.... I thought the whole idea of camming was that you don't have to deal with creepy guys touching you - directly or indirectly?
Well - I am not trying to hide that they indirectly touch you, I am up front about that, so obviously you would not be interested. The whole idea of my site would be indirect clit diddling coupled with camming and that would, obviously, not be for someone who thinks guys are creepy. You can continue doing whatever you do to avoid creepy guys - I won't object. I feel your pain because I myself would not want to be directly jacked off by a fat chick - but if it was by remote control, and I could look at a picture of a hottie on the wall behind the camera, I could probably deal with it (for a few dollars a minute).
I would figure that there are a million cam girls, a lot of competition, so if I offered this added dimension - I might do well. I imagine that there were once magazines with chicks in swimsuits. Then - Hugh Hefner decided to show tits and some chick probably said that she was not going to show her tits to 50 million creepy guys. That is fine, she could have continued with the swim suit magazine. No problem.
Certainly if I thought chicks were creepy - I would not want to work at a job where chicks jacked me off. That kind of job would be for a guy who likes chicks. I would just stay here and play with my circuit boards if I felt that way.
IsobelWren
05-10-2012, 09:04 AM
I don't use fingers, I just lick clit and consider myself a world class cunnilinguist. I don't have full sex unless it is true love.
Like you said about the fingernails I don't like messing with potentially delicate tissue.
Well see, that's why you haven't found it. Unless your tongue reaches about three inches outside of your mouth and inside her pussy, you can't find a g spot with your tongue. It's inside the vagina, on the front-facing wall. Little patch of "rough", raised tissue. It takes a little finesse to feel it out since if you're not used to playing around inside vaginal tissue all vaginal tissue feels the same.
Vernon03
05-10-2012, 10:38 AM
Well see, that's why you haven't found it. Unless your tongue reaches about three inches outside of your mouth and inside her pussy, you can't find a g spot with your tongue. It's inside the vagina, on the front-facing wall. Little patch of "rough", raised tissue. It takes a little finesse to feel it out since if you're not used to playing around inside vaginal tissue all vaginal tissue feels the same.
Well - I will have to see if I can find it one of these days. Most are happy with the cunniligus externally on the clit, never asked for fingers, so I figured that fingering was not neccessary. Obviously, since you are a knowledgeable and articulate woman - I will follow your advice and try locating the G spot.
BringOnTheMen
05-10-2012, 08:49 PM
"free pleasure"...Jesus Christ. Please help me bite my tongue.
MissSeraphim
05-11-2012, 01:58 PM
fucking machines...YAY!
Fucking machine controlled by overly horny sex depraved men on the internet...BOOO!
"This is why you should have nothing to do with the adult industry. You're too much of a child "omg that's icky cooties!" You're not mature enough to be around men if it means to further enhance your product, you talk nonstop about our clits as is you've actually been around enough of them (doubtful), you're anti legalization of prostitution to help keep women safe and off the streets, and you think having sex outside of being in love is wrong yet you're trying to sell a sex toy for strangers to use on women. Not to mention that you do not have the slightest clue about what women want outside of a female who's company you paid for.
Get out my of my sex industry, get out, get out, get out. "
^This!! Plus, don't YOU have a penis to test on? Maybe even a little?
The amount of money I would pay for this machine - $0
The amount of money I would make someone pay to actually use this with me- Astronomical. It would have to be with a Bill Gates.
On the realtouch note..
I LOVE realtouch's new technology. I did a test run today and the software and hardware are great even in beta.
Yes with realtouch men have to buy the equipment.
1. This is awesome in that if they can afford a high tech masturbator, they have money to buy the show.
2. They aren't just jacking it with their hands and trying to click a bunch of commands at the same time. RealTouch is giving them more of an experience.
oh and best yet, Models pay NOTHING for their realtouch equipment.
You obviously have skills to come up with something better you just haven't. Try looking at it from a FEMALES point of view. Just try. Would you like it if there was a piece just for the guy and the girl had buttons to press? Sure, probably you would, with any normal girl.
But just imagine for a moment a very sadistic vengeful woman on the other end...unless you're into getting your dick squished..um yea I think I made my point.
Vernon03
05-11-2012, 04:25 PM
I don't want to test it on my penis. I like a division of labor - I design the electronics and write the program and somebody else would be the test subject.
I am surprised that you consider your customers to be "overly horny sex depraved men on the internet". There seems to be a certain contempt for the customer on this board. I make test sets and like and respect my customers - because without customers I would have to get a job. Likewise - if it was not for horniness and depravity - you would work where ?
McDonalds ? Wal Mart ?
If you hold such contempt why do you capitalize on this ? I for one would not want to talk to people I felt were depraved. I would not want that as my job. I would find something else to do.
In my case - a vengeful and sadistic woman at the other end would not be able to cause the machine to exceed its very safe limits - so I would not be worried. This machine can't hurt you even if Atilla the Hun is at the other end. Note that I would never have built it if I had not first brought the idea up to FEMALES who thought it was a good idea. I did that first. Three different FEMALES said it was a good idea before I bought the first component. I moved, then moved again, and found three more FEMALES who liked the idea. Two of them were shy - but not about the machine idea. They did not want to appear naked with or without the toy but did not particularly object to the machine part. A third (the chick in the video) is willing but is in Vegas right now. Since I am a guy, and don't experience a females point of view, I have to rely on what females tell me. No female was negative about it until I posted here.
Then, oddly, you support the view that I should "get out of the sex industry". We have here in the US is what is called a "free market". If, for example, I think that Chrysler products suck - I would not get all hysterical and tell them to "get out of the auto industry". I would just buy a Chevy and let the free market decide Chryslers market share. I would not have anything really hateful to say about it.
fucking machines...YAY!
Fucking machine controlled by overly horny sex depraved men on the internet...BOOO!
"This is why you should have nothing to do with the adult industry. You're too much of a child "omg that's icky cooties!" You're not mature enough to be around men if it means to further enhance your product, you talk nonstop about our clits as is you've actually been around enough of them (doubtful), you're anti legalization of prostitution to help keep women safe and off the streets, and you think having sex outside of being in love is wrong yet you're trying to sell a sex toy for strangers to use on women. Not to mention that you do not have the slightest clue about what women want outside of a female who's company you paid for.
Get out my of my sex industry, get out, get out, get out. "
^This!! Plus, don't YOU have a penis to test on? Maybe even a little?
The amount of money I would pay for this machine - $0
The amount of money I would make someone pay to actually use this with me- Astronomical. It would have to be with a Bill Gates.
On the realtouch note..
I LOVE realtouch's new technology. I did a test run today and the software and hardware are great even in beta.
Yes with realtouch men have to buy the equipment.
1. This is awesome in that if they can afford a high tech masturbator, they have money to buy the show.
2. They aren't just jacking it with their hands and trying to click a bunch of commands at the same time. RealTouch is giving them more of an experience.
oh and best yet, Models pay NOTHING for their realtouch equipment.
You obviously have skills to come up with something better you just haven't. Try looking at it from a FEMALES point of view. Just try. Would you like it if there was a piece just for the guy and the girl had buttons to press? Sure, probably you would, with any normal girl.
But just imagine for a moment a very sadistic vengeful woman on the other end...unless you're into getting your dick squished..um yea I think I made my point.
loveshooks
05-11-2012, 04:55 PM
if it was not for horniness and depravity - you would work where ?
McDonalds ? Wal Mart ?
^^^^Just wanted to highlight the hypocrisy regarding the concept of respect. As an FYI, intimating that women who engage in sex work do so because they have few viable economic alternatives reveals your own biases, as opposed to the realities of our lives
Beyond that, seriously, why are you still here? It's clear you're not interested in the experiential knowledge we've gained working in this business, nor are you receptive to legitimate concerns voiced by those who are actually the target market for your product. Clearly your ideals outweigh everything the experienced women who have contributed to this thread have graciously shared with you. As such, the point of further discussion is....?
On a cautionary note, this thread is clearly devolving into a discourse of smug and passive aggressive cross-talk that serves neither your product nor yourself well. If you actually intend to bring this (ill-advised) product to market you may want to consider maintaining some professionalism.
Tsani
05-11-2012, 05:07 PM
I must ask you this: These ladies who thought it was a great idea... were they camgirls? Who are you marketing this to? Camgirls? We are camgirls and we have given you our opinions on this. You have done your market research and we have given our feedback.
Also, please don't insult us by suggesting that we would be working at McDonalds and Wal Mart if not for camming. I know a lot of ladies on these forums who have degrees and are currently in school, camming to help pay off their student loans and get through school. We are smart, business savvy women who enjoy what we do and love the flexibility that our jobs afford us. Please don't make the mistake of insinuating that this job is beneath us, we hear that crap every day from our customers.
Kthxbye!
Vernon03
05-11-2012, 05:26 PM
You might enjoy what you do but the poster I was addressing apparently does not like the "horny and the depraved" who talk to her. Everything is not about you and I was not talking to you or anyone else who likes the job. My comments were directed at those who hold the source of their income, their customers, in contempt.
The girls I discussed it with were not "camgirls" - but they were willing to become cam & diddle girls. It might be that there are separate categories. Some topless dancers - for example - might object to putting on masturbation shows and would not want to be camgirls if you suggested that. Likewise, you have objected to being a cam & diddle girl. Everybody can do what they like.
I must ask you this: These ladies who thought it was a great idea... were they camgirls? Who are you marketing this to? Camgirls? We are camgirls and we have given you our opinions on this. You have done your market research and we have given our feedback.
Also, please don't insult us by suggesting that we would be working at McDonalds and Wal Mart if not for camming. I know a lot of ladies on these forums who have degrees and are currently in school, camming to help pay off their student loans and get through school. We are smart, business savvy women who enjoy what we do and love the flexibility that our jobs afford us. Please don't make the mistake of insinuating that this job is beneath us, we hear that crap every day from our customers.
Kthxbye!
Vernon03
05-11-2012, 05:30 PM
Again - the statement would apply to me if I announced that I held my customers in contempt and thought they were depraved. The logical next question would be why I had the business and what are the alternatives. If my customers are truly depraved - then I too should apply at Walmart or some suitable job.
^^^^Just wanted to highlight the hypocrisy regarding the concept of respect. As an FYI, intimating that women who engage in sex work do so because they have few viable economic alternatives reveals your own biases, as opposed to the realities of our lives
Beyond that, seriously, why are you still here? It's clear you're not interested in the experiential knowledge we've gained working in this business, nor are you receptive to legitimate concerns voiced by those who are actually the target market for your product. Clearly your ideals outweigh everything the experienced women who have contributed to this thread have graciously shared with you. As such, the point of further discussion is....?
On a cautionary note, this thread is clearly devolving into a discourse of smug and passive aggressive cross-talk that serves neither your product nor yourself well. If you actually intend to bring this (ill-advised) product to market you may want to consider maintaining some professionalism.
Vernon03
05-11-2012, 05:39 PM
Also:
http://vsex.com/
Someone previously posted this - and it demonstrates that there are willing cam & diddle girls. This machine also penetrates - it does not merely tease the lips and clit like mine. I should therefore be able to find models since this site did.
HaydenBlue
05-11-2012, 05:39 PM
Can't find the g-spot.
Immaturity about working with other males.
Using retarded ass words like "diddle" - when did we become 15 years old? This is the sex industry. Oh my god.
Belittles us with the "stupid whore" stereotype. ("If you weren't doing this you would be working at McDonalds")
All while throwing around stereotype, passive-aggressive babble and things that just don't make sense. You are not involved in the industry you're trying to market to. Do you really believe this is the way to sell your product - or are you just stumbling along blindly while you ignore our feedback? Based on the tone and lack of knowledgeable, mature, industry-savvy responses this won't get off the ground. Ever.
You are like a Tom Cruise troll: Mission Impossible.
Tsani
05-11-2012, 05:41 PM
Again - the statement would apply to me if I announced that I held my customers in contempt and thought they were depraved. The logical next question would be why I had the business and what are the alternatives. If my customers are truly depraved - then I too should apply at Walmart or some suitable job.
None of us hold all our customers in contempt. Nobody's job has all wonderful customers. If you need to look for a new job based on the fact that you have a few crappy customers then you probably will be constantly looking for new jobs. But I can't speak for MissSaraphim so I'll just keep my mouth shut and move on. I've given my input on this subject and hope that you are willing to move on knowing that in general, camgirls do not like your idea. What you do with this information is your choice. Take care!
P.S. WTF is a diddle girl??
Vernon03
05-11-2012, 05:46 PM
I don't know what you would be doing if you were not doing this. My point was not about smart or stupid - it was about having a business while thinking your customers are depraved. That makes that particular woman an accessory before and contributor to - depravity. By her own admission. That is like if I made tools to break into cars but got all snooty and looking down my nose at those greedy and depraved car thieves who used them. Not morally logical in my view.
Can't find the g-spot.
Immaturity about working with other males.
Belittles us with the "stupid whore" stereotype. ("If you weren't doing this you would be working at McDonalds")
All while throwing around stereotype, passive-aggressive babble and things that just don't make sense. You are not involved in the industry you're trying to market to. Do you really believe this is the way to sell your product - or are you just stumbling along blindly while you ignore our feedback? Based on the tone and lack of knowledgeable, mature, industry-savvy responses this won't get off the ground. Ever.
You are like a Tom Cruise troll: Mission Impossible.
DollEyes
05-11-2012, 05:53 PM
One question...
Why are you still here? What are you trying to accomplish besides digging your hole deeper by insulting camgirls?
Vernon03
05-11-2012, 05:55 PM
If you read this board - there is a surprising and notable attitude of contempt toward customers and this was an example of that.
I just invented "cam and diddle girl". That would be a girl who used my invention (like the girls on the vsex site above). She cams and is diddled by a machine that is under the customers control. Obviously, you straight up "camgirls" don't like it so if I am to do it I have to find a "cam and diddle girl". A willing person. Diddling is some sort of stimulation of the sex organs. You might not like working in a strip club, a topless dancer may not want to be a camgirl, and my "cam and diddle girl" may not like either. Each has what they like.
Just like me. As noted above I don't want to invent a toy that works on a penis - but I would certainly applaud one of the college educated entertainers noted by a previous poster who used her advanced education to invent a penis toy. I would wish her luck and any penis but mine could be used to test it. She should be happy that there is less competition.
None of us hold all our customers in contempt. Nobody's job has all wonderful customers. If you need to look for a new job based on the fact that you have a few crappy customers then you probably will be constantly looking for new jobs. But I can't speak for MissSaraphim so I'll just keep my mouth shut and move on. I've given my input on this subject and hope that you are willing to move on knowing that in general, camgirls do not like your idea. What you do with this information is your choice. Take care!
P.S. WTF is a diddle girl??
Vernon03
05-11-2012, 05:58 PM
One question...
Why are you still here? What are you trying to accomplish besides digging your hole deeper by insulting camgirls?
I am not going to use camgirls - I am going to get my own cam and diddle girls. Other than that I am just engaging in the debate and excercising my First Ammendment rights.
sweetheather
05-11-2012, 05:59 PM
Can't find the g-spot.
Immaturity about working with other males.
Using retarded ass words like "diddle" - when did we become 15 years old? This is the sex industry. Oh my god.
Belittles us with the "stupid whore" stereotype. ("If you weren't doing this you would be working at McDonalds")
All while throwing around stereotype, passive-aggressive babble and things that just don't make sense. You are not involved in the industry you're trying to market to. Do you really believe this is the way to sell your product - or are you just stumbling along blindly while you ignore our feedback? Based on the tone and lack of knowledgeable, mature, industry-savvy responses this won't get off the ground. Ever.
You are like a Tom Cruise troll: Mission Impossible.
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Caramel_BBW
05-11-2012, 06:02 PM
I am not going to use camgirls - I am going to get my own cam and diddle girls. Other than that I am just engaging in the debate and excercising my First Ammendment rights.
Y U NO POST THIS IN THE STRIPPER SIDE?
Since you don't want cam girls and all....#justsayin
HaydenBlue
05-11-2012, 06:02 PM
I am not going to use camgirls - I am going to get my own cam and diddle girls. Other than that I am just engaging in the debate and excercising my First Ammendment rights.
I could always use my Second Amendment rights to destroy your stupid machine. :D
DollEyes
05-11-2012, 06:03 PM
I am not going to use camgirls - I am going to get my own cam and diddle girls. Other than that I am just engaging in the debate and excercising my First Ammendment rights.
Alright Mr.DiddleMan where exactly do you plan on getting your own "cam and diddle girls" ?
Tsani
05-11-2012, 06:06 PM
http://diddlegirls.com
HaydenBlue
05-11-2012, 06:10 PM
I am not going to use camgirls - I am going to get my own cam and diddle girls. Other than that I am just engaging in the debate and excercising my First Ammendment rights.
What is a cam and diddle girl? If you are not going to use CAMGIRLS why are you looking for a CAM and diddle girl??
Assuming...
Diddle = masturbation.
Cam = self explanatory.
Camgirl = girl who masturbates for $$$.
Vernon03
05-11-2012, 06:11 PM
DiddleMan ! I like it !! It has a ring to it !!
I guess I will just ask around like I have done. Right now it is not set up - I have an internet connected model RR in the space - but if and when I find a cam & diddle girl I will set it up. I might post on Craigs List also.
Alright Mr.DiddleMan where exactly do you plan on getting your own "cam and diddle girls" ?
Vernon03
05-11-2012, 06:14 PM
What is a cam and diddle girl? If you are not going to use CAMGIRLS why are you looking for a CAM and diddle girl??
Assuming...
Diddle = masturbation.
Cam = self explanatory.
Camgirl = girl who masturbates for $$$.
Cam & Diddle girl = girl who cams and is masturbated by another via remote control. Also for $$$.
HaydenBlue
05-11-2012, 06:16 PM
Cam & Diddle girl = girl who cams and is masturbated by another via remote control. Also for $$$.
That is a CAMGIRL.
So you're saying she's stripped of her industry 'title' if she's the one in control??
Vernon03
05-11-2012, 06:55 PM
That is a CAMGIRL.
So you're saying she's stripped of her industry 'title' if she's the one in control??
I am inventing a new, separate, title. She keeps her industry title.
The girl who models my toy will have a new title. "Cam and diddle girl". Like I said - that means someone who is on cam and is diddled by remote control.
That is distinct from the existing Camgirls who don't want to be diddled by remote control. Nobody has to be diddled by remote control if they don't like the idea - they can remain "old school" camgirls.