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MissSeraphim
05-11-2012, 07:04 PM
I don't want to test it on my penis. I like a division of labor - I design the electronics and write the program and somebody else would be the test subject.

I am surprised that you consider your customers to be "overly horny sex depraved men on the internet". There seems to be a certain contempt for the customer on this board. I make test sets and like and respect my customers - because without customers I would have to get a job. Likewise - if it was not for horniness and depravity - you would work where ?

McDonalds ? Wal Mart ?

If you hold such contempt why do you capitalize on this ? I for one would not want to talk to people I felt were depraved. I would not want that as my job. I would find something else to do.

In my case - a vengeful and sadistic woman at the other end would not be able to cause the machine to exceed its very safe limits - so I would not be worried. This machine can't hurt you even if Atilla the Hun is at the other end. Note that I would never have built it if I had not first brought the idea up to FEMALES who thought it was a good idea. I did that first. Three different FEMALES said it was a good idea before I bought the first component. I moved, then moved again, and found three more FEMALES who liked the idea. Two of them were shy - but not about the machine idea. They did not want to appear naked with or without the toy but did not particularly object to the machine part. A third (the chick in the video) is willing but is in Vegas right now. Since I am a guy, and don't experience a females point of view, I have to rely on what females tell me. No female was negative about it until I posted here.

Then, oddly, you support the view that I should "get out of the sex industry". We have here in the US is what is called a "free market". If, for example, I think that Chrysler products suck - I would not get all hysterical and tell them to "get out of the auto industry". I would just buy a Chevy and let the free market decide Chryslers market share. I would not have anything really hateful to say about it.

Anyone who wouldn't test a product on themselves as well, probably isn't selling a great product.
There's no contempt for most of my customers. But that doesn't mean some of them aren't sex depraved and overly horny.
And look at this you little shit, a lot of us HAVE other jobs.
Yeah, free economy, capitalism. Which means we the people decide what stays and what flops.
You know what else we have? Free speech.
Which means I have every right in the world to come out and say you're a dickless little man who is totally losing a battle you shouldn't even be in. Post and get responses, too bad if you don't like it. Your responses are beyond ridiculous.

You probably should post on craigslist. Girls who know the industry even a little bit (like the girls in here) have pretty much .001% interest. Nobody is going to PAY to get into the sex industry when there's tons of FREE options.

HaydenBlue
05-11-2012, 07:10 PM
No words.

Vernon03
05-11-2012, 07:23 PM
Well - if it is going to flop - why get so worked up ? If my neighbor was building solar powered bicycle in his garage and I thought the wind might be problem with that big solar panel - Well I might express that concern but I would hope that it worked out for his sake and not cuss about it. The free market, not me, would ultimately decide the fate of solar powered bicycles and I would not worry about it.

And yeah, as far as you are concerned I am or might as well be dickless - because you sure as hell ain't getting any. It is true that you can say anything you want. I am a veteran and fought for that free speech right so rant on about the dickless and the depraved all you want.

Notice that I don't criticize posters who don't want this device used on them. I have repeatedly said that I can respect that and only seek those (like the chicks at vsex) who like the idea. You, in contrast, are disparaging me for not testing a mechanical product on myself when I don't like that. I want to excercise my American Freedom to develop products that diddle chicks. If you feel strongly about it - you can have the entire field of penis diddling to yourself.






Anyone who wouldn't test a product on themselves as well, probably isn't selling a great product.
There's no contempt for most of my customers. But that doesn't mean some of them aren't sex depraved and overly horny.
And look at this you little shit, a lot of us HAVE other jobs.
Yeah, free economy, capitalism. Which means we the people decide what stays and what flops.
You know what else we have? Free speech.
Which means I have every right in the world to come out and say you're a dickless little man who is totally losing a battle you shouldn't even be in. Post and get responses, too bad if you don't like it. Your responses are beyond ridiculous.

You probably should post on craigslist. Girls who know the industry even a little bit (like the girls in here) have pretty much .001% interest. Nobody is going to PAY to get into the sex industry when there's tons of FREE options.

Vernon03
05-11-2012, 08:17 PM
And no contempt for your customers ?

"And I agree with the "what r u in the mood for" I want to say "well actually I want to go to bed but I need to pay my electric bill so lets just go pvt so I can fake being turned on by a close up of ur penis on ur cam and get this over with"

It sounds like you hold his honest and sincere ardor in contempt and brag about being a clitless fake who provides an insincere service that, because it is a fraud, can't be all that good.

Just sayin'

HaydenBlue
05-11-2012, 08:34 PM
And no contempt for your customers ?

"And I agree with the "what r u in the mood for" I want to say "well actually I want to go to bed but I need to pay my electric bill so lets just go pvt so I can fake being turned on by a close up of ur penis on ur cam and get this over with"

It sounds like you hold his honest and sincere ardor in contempt and brag about being a clitless fake who provides an insincere service that, because it is a fraud, can't be all that good.

Just sayin'

Those aren't my words. But I'll take the bait. ;)

You have a seriously warped view of this whole...wow.

This is a fantasy. To deny that would be...oh my god. They are paying us for a fantasy. Do you honestly believe we are lonely whores who want to DIDDLE ourselves for 8 hours out of the day? NO.

When they ask us, "What do you think of my cock?" / "BB do you think I'm hot?" Like it was said in another thread - they are paying us to say yes. If they kept saying "Baby I want to fuck you with my 12 inch cock." And I came back with, "Hey that's not psychically possible. Here are my reasons." I would never get a show. They would never be HAPPY. They would never GET OFF. Our job is to get them off and make them happy.

Not to be honest. If they want honesty they should go see...a therapist???

You never ask sex worker to be honest with you. Oh wait, you did. But you can't handle it.

Fraud???? lol.

sweetheather
05-11-2012, 08:40 PM
And no contempt for your customers ?

"And I agree with the "what r u in the mood for" I want to say "well actually I want to go to bed but I need to pay my electric bill so lets just go pvt so I can fake being turned on by a close up of ur penis on ur cam and get this over with"

It sounds like you hold his honest and sincere ardor in contempt and brag about being a clitless fake who provides an insincere service that, because it is a fraud, can't be all that good.

Just sayin'

Uhh, she totally has one, I've seen it (awkward!moment) Also, seriously, you just don't seem to get it and take everything out of context.

PrincessLuna
05-11-2012, 09:42 PM
In all honesty, in my opinion, I think it's time you left. You've completely worn out your welcome here.

Vernon03
05-12-2012, 07:39 AM
I can understand the fantasy idea - but finding satisfaction and humor in lying to somebody is contemptuous. Like if I had a job and said I didn't get any work done this afternoon because my allergies were acting up, but that fortunately the boss didn't find out, is one thing. To kind of laugh about faking working would be having contempt for the boss. Creating a fantasy has a more uplifting connotation than "I fake being turned on" and "get this over with". What if your favorite movie actor was working on a new action film and said in an interview: "Yeah I fake being angry and just want the director to say action so I can shoot the fake bad guy and get this over with. I would think he was an asshole and go to another movie.

Maybe I will use this quote and a link to this thread to promote my site. I can show that old school camgirls laugh at you and are not turned on but I, Vernon, use a vaginal photoplethysmograph to scientifically measure the arousal of Vernon's Cam and Diddle girls. They don't fake. Vsex.com does not have photoplethysmography, I can be first with that.


Those aren't my words. But I'll take the bait. ;)

You have a seriously warped view of this whole...wow.

This is a fantasy. To deny that would be...oh my god. They are paying us for a fantasy. Do you honestly believe we are lonely whores who want to DIDDLE ourselves for 8 hours out of the day? NO.

When they ask us, "What do you think of my cock?" / "BB do you think I'm hot?" Like it was said in another thread - they are paying us to say yes. If they kept saying "Baby I want to fuck you with my 12 inch cock." And I came back with, "Hey that's not psychically possible. Here are my reasons." I would never get a show. They would never be HAPPY. They would never GET OFF. Our job is to get them off and make them happy.

Not to be honest. If they want honesty they should go see...a therapist???

You never ask sex worker to be honest with you. Oh wait, you did. But you can't handle it.

Fraud???? lol.

Vernon03
05-12-2012, 07:41 AM
I think they said that to Albert Einstien when he first presented his theory.


In all honesty, in my opinion, I think it's time you left. You've completely worn out your welcome here.

PrincessLuna
05-12-2012, 12:09 PM
Albert Einstein wasn't cad either.

PrincessLuna
05-12-2012, 12:36 PM
Also, when Albert Einstein was turned away for his theories, I'm sure he just went to other places; which is what I'm suggesting you do.

MissSeraphim
05-12-2012, 12:44 PM
Why get worked up?
Well.. Let's just say some one went into where you go for fun and started waiving their idea that nobody is interested in around. Then when you make a comment of your view, they come back with irrelevant points that in no way make it any better.
Annoying? Yes.

I love that you brought up you are a vet? After the things you said...is that supposed to win award points? I guess.. Thanks for your service to the country but no thank you for this device.

You speak like you're a person in position to be adored..hilarious.

"because you sure as hell ain't getting any." bwahaha...when I ask for some, it will be a cold day in hell with pigs flying to jupiter.

Vernon03
05-12-2012, 01:29 PM
Well - there are thousands of threads so I would just ignore those that did not spark my interest. That is what I would do. Others might come here for fun and not like what you post about. If you start a thread about how high your heels should be (for example) I just won't read it because I don't care.

Is every post on here supposed to be exactly what you are interested in ?

I am not interested in that penis stroking device that that other guy makes, I think it is the most uninteresting thing on earth, but I don't go to his thread wherever it might be and harrass him. If he can make money - great - and I wish him luck with that.

If I went over there just to say I didn't like it, cuss at him, suggest he was dickless, and that he was "waving an idea that nobody was interested in" well that would make me a troll (like you).

Like most normal people I just let the level of interest be reflected in the number of views and go find what I am interested in.


Why get worked up?
Well.. Let's just say some one went into where you go for fun and started waiving their idea that nobody is interested in around. Then when you make a comment of your view, they come back with irrelevant points that in no way make it any better.
Annoying? Yes.

I love that you brought up you are a vet? After the things you said...is that supposed to win award points? I guess.. Thanks for your service to the country but no thank you for this device.

You speak like you're a person in position to be adored..hilarious.

"because you sure as hell ain't getting any." bwahaha...when I ask for some, it will be a cold day in hell with pigs flying to jupiter.

Vernon03
05-12-2012, 01:32 PM
This thread has more views than 90% of the threads on this page. That is democracy in action - more people are interested so it looks like your viewpoint has been voted down.

Obviously - if so many people read it - I need to keep posting.

PrincessLuna
05-12-2012, 01:35 PM
This thread has more views than 90% of the threads on this page. That is democracy in action - more people are interested so it looks like your viewpoint has been voted down.

Obviously - if so many people read it - I need to keep posting.

It's because of the posters returning to thread after being notified via email and are returning to read it. Not to mention the people who refresh the page. If so many people were truly interested in it here, then where are the people who are PMing you for more information?

Don't go based on view count, it's skewed.

_natasha
05-12-2012, 01:36 PM
This thread has more views than 90% of the threads on this page. That is democracy in action - more people are interested so it looks like your viewpoint has been voted down.

Obviously - if so many people read it - I need to keep posting.

I think it's more because people are more interested in the debate that this thread has brought. There's nothing more fun than watching stupid men and their stupid ideas get beaten down by the intelligent arguments of the women (and men) of this site.

If it wasn't you it would be some other idiot... So don't flatter yourself.

Vernon03
05-12-2012, 02:00 PM
I think it's more because people are more interested in the debate that this thread has brought. There's nothing more fun than watching stupid men and their stupid ideas get beaten down by the intelligent arguments of the women (and men) of this site.

If it wasn't you it would be some other idiot... So don't flatter yourself.

Just because you don't like an idea does not mean that I am "beaten down". I really don't care what you like and don't understand why you are such a rabid dog in wanting to argue about something you are not interested in. If I can get a chick to do this - I will do it - and if it makes money I will put the money in the bank. That regardless of all the headbanging and foaming at the mouth that you might do. I am sure if the vsex.com guy (or girl) had listened to you and figured himself to be beaten down - he would have lost out. Just like the first guy who thought the earth was round.

MissSeraphim
05-12-2012, 02:03 PM
haha everyone is free to call me a troll for this thread. I don't normally troll but you're just a gem of troll food.
Most of those views..laughing hysterically.
& It's not some other guy. It's an established company, people with experience, doing what will make the performers happy. Keeping the control in their hands.

"I really don't care what you like " THIS is why you should get fuck out.

Vernon03
05-12-2012, 02:15 PM
Well - I think I will make the customers happy by giving them control. Like maybe if cars only had three wheels it would make the workers on the assembly line happy but the cars would tip over and the customers wouldn't like it. So the company that made the customer happy would win and the company that gave the assembly line workers and easy job would lose.

Besides - I watched the vsex.com promotional video and those girls all liked it. They were moaning, groaning and their clits were standing out like they had just seen me or something. If there are girls who like that there might be girls who like this.




haha everyone is free to call me a troll for this thread. I don't normally troll but you're just a gem of troll food.
Most of those views..laughing hysterically.
& It's not some other guy. It's an established company, people with experience, doing what will make the performers happy. Keeping the control in their hands.

"I really don't care what you like " THIS is why you should get fuck out.

_natasha
05-12-2012, 02:15 PM
You come to a site with industry workers.
You tell them about your ideas.
When industry workers say 'no way gross' you then ARGUE with the industry workers, who have the knowledge and expertise you were presumably looking for.

And then stick around to argue some more... And when said industry workers still disagree with you, rather than acccept people have different opinions and go with some dignity to make your own way to the success you hope for....
You do a little more arguing.

Fighting a losing battle... If you come back in 5 years and make money out of the idea, I will concede that I was wrong. You got what you want from this site; i.e. you got advice about the product and industry thoughts... It just wasn't the answer that you hoped for.

So yes, I might be a 'rabid dog', but you're the little yappy mutt that won't drop the stick.

Vernon03
05-12-2012, 02:22 PM
But you don't represent all industry workers. The girls at vsex.com would not agree.

Then you have this stupid idea that an industry produces what it's workers want. That is laughable. An industry produces what it's CUSTOMERS want. If a customer wants a car with AC and he also wants to control a clit teaser when he goes on line - well it does not matter if the industry workers don't like installing an AC compressor - know what I mean. The car that has AC will sell, the one without will not.



You come to a site with industry workers.
You tell them about your ideas.
When industry workers say 'no way gross' you then ARGUE with the industry workers, who have the knowledge and expertise you were presumably looking for.

And then stick around to argue some more... And when said industry workers still disagree with you, rather than acccept people have different opinions and go with some dignity to make your own way to the success you hope for....
You do a little more arguing.

Fighting a losing battle... If you come back in 5 years and make money out of the idea, I will concede that I was wrong. You got what you want from this site; i.e. you got advice about the product and industry thoughts... It just wasn't the answer that you hoped for.

So yes, I might be a 'rabid dog', but you're the little yappy mutt that won't drop the stick.

Djoser
05-12-2012, 02:27 PM
...I will go back to the internet controlled model railroad. It is not running right now, I don't turn it on, but if you are curious you can visit www.cttestset.com where there are links to my on line Geiger Counter. If anybody wants to run the railroad I will fire it up with a days notice. I also want to do a glass bottomed boat on a pond somewhere that you can control from anywhere. I am just glad fish don't have a site or they would probably object to that.

Hey I gotta tell you, while you will never make what Bill Gates did with this approach, guys who are really into Geiger Counter Sex will flip the fuck out and pay a whole lot of money for Geiger Counter videos, the chance to use Geiger Counter devices on a special lucky lady, etc. If you don't believe me, go look on Clips4Sale, because they have every fetish in the Known Universe there, I kid you not.

I do think you should go check out the various camsites before trying to seriously market any device meant for use in a camsite setting--you have to know your business environment! There are models who have fucking machines, I saw one on MFC who features it prominently. But like the vast majority of the webcam girls, there is no way in hell that she is really going to come 57 times in every 8 hour shift and squirt every time for real.

Speaking of real, the G-Spot is very real. I should know, because I had a girlfriend for almost 7 years who had one that 'pushed out' very prominently when she had squirting orgasms. Which are also real. But almost always faked on webcam, especially by models with names like 'SquirtZin30sex!!!' Anyway, there it was, about the size of a dime or a penny, hard and ridgy, and they go fucking apeshit if you rub it. Gently...

If you want to see real squirting orgasms with a girl with a real g-spot, who really enjoys the fucking machines, go check out Kylie Wylde (sometimes spelled Wilde I'm not going to look it up now lol) on FuckingMachines.com, especially her earlier videos for the site, which are unfortunately of lower video quality. Anyway this fucking girl goes berserk and creams all over the damned thing and squirts repeatedly. Gonna be real tough to find more girls like her, but you will find it quite interesting I assure you.

_natasha
05-12-2012, 02:30 PM
Well go talk to those girls! Ask them questions. You're preaching to people who have already made their feelings clear...

The fact is that most industries don't deal in PEOPLE. They deal in cars, stationary, whatever. That AC pump you're banging on about? Yea, it's an inanimate object.

The sex industry? Real life WOMEN. PEOPLE. There's a difference.

Tsani
05-12-2012, 02:32 PM
Let me spell it out for you:

YOU came here asking OUR opinions.
WE gave you our opinions.
WE don't like what you're offering.
MAYBE you can find some diddle girls on craigslist or another forum.
WE don't want to hear about your invention anymore.
WE wish you the best of luck in your enterprises but it's just not for us.

Thank you for presenting your ideas and asking our opinions. We gave them and therefore your work here should be done.

If any of these many many thread viewers ARE interested in this man's invention, please feel free to post and continue this discussion or PM him.

You are left with one of two lessons from this "market research" of yours. Either A: We, your target audience, are giving you negative feedback on your product yet you're choosing to ignore this (and hey, feel free to go back to the drawing board and make improvements if you want). Or B: We're not your target audience (which you have indicated since we are not "diddle girls"), in which case you really have no reason to still pursue the matter with us.

IF you decide that we ARE your target audience and you would like to make some changes to your product and come back and ask our opinions, please feel free to do so, but please TAKE THE FEEDBACK instead of resisting it. Unless, of course, your mission was not to gain feedback but to sign up interested parties. In which case we're not interested. Either way, the logical next step is to move on.

Vernon03
05-12-2012, 02:35 PM
Thank you for the rational and intelligent post. I stand corrected on the G-spot.


Hey I gotta tell you, while you will never make what Bill Gates did with this approach, guys who are really into Geiger Counter Sex will flip the fuck out and pay a whole lot of money for Geiger Counter videos, the chance to use Geiger Counter devices on a special lucky lady, etc. If you don't believe me, go look on Clips4Sale, because they have every fetish in the Known Universe there, I kid you not.

I do think you should go check out the various camsites before trying to seriously market any device meant for use in a camsite setting--you have to know your business environment! There are models who have fucking machines, I saw one on MFC who features it prominently. But like the vast majority of the webcam girls, there is no way in hell that she is really going to come 57 times in every 8 hour shift and squirt every time for real.

Speaking of real, the G-Spot is very real. I should know, because I had a girlfriend for almost 7 years who had one that 'pushed out' very prominently when she had squirting orgasms. Which are also real. But almost always faked on webcam, especially by models with names like 'SquirtZin30sex!!!' Anyway, there it was, about the size of a dime or a penny, hard and ridgy, and they go fucking apeshit if you rub it. Gently...

If you want to see real squirting orgasms with a girl with a real g-spot, who really enjoys the fucking machines, go check out Kylie Wylde (sometimes spelled Wilde I'm not going to look it up now lol) on FuckingMachines.com, especially her earlier videos for the site, which are unfortunately of lower video quality. Anyway this fucking girl goes berserk and creams all over the damned thing and squirts repeatedly. Gonna be real tough to find more girls like her, but you will find it quite interesting I assure you.

MissSeraphim
05-12-2012, 05:52 PM
"Then you have this stupid idea that an industry produces what it's workers want. That is laughable. An industry produces what it's CUSTOMERS want. If a customer wants a car with AC and he also wants to control a clit teaser when he goes on line - well it does not matter if the industry workers don't like installing an AC compressor - know what I mean. The car that has AC will sell, the one without will not."

We're not cars. In the sex industry the girl is the boss, the worker AND the product. It's simple really. Without girls your little doo-dad is going to majorly flop. Nobody wants to watch it flip around on its own. Right? Right. It's an accessory. Not necessary..Hell we can make money without regular toys. It just possibly opens up a new window of customers who may just overlap with another section of customers who will spend even without it.
I HAVE a teledildonics piece of equipment that I love and already has a following..that I got for FREE.
hmm..
Free plus I'm in control or
pay and someone else is in control.
It's almost like taking the whole cam dynamic and just flipping it on its back.

IsobelWren
05-13-2012, 06:48 AM
This thread has more views than 90% of the threads on this page. That is democracy in action - more people are interested so it looks like your viewpoint has been voted down.

Obviously - if so many people read it - I need to keep posting.

People are reading it because it's interesting because it's a total drama-fest.

IsobelWren
05-13-2012, 07:16 AM
But you don't represent all industry workers. The girls at vsex.com would not agree.


Just to put a little poison in your ear, have you ever considered that the girls on vsex might be faking it? After all, they're paid porn stars who were paid to be in a promotional video. They're actresses and if I were cutting a promo video for my product I sure wouldn't pick actresses who looked less than enthused to use my product. You don't know what happened behind the scenes, you're consuming the video and enjoying it because you believe it to be genuine.

There's not a disconnect between those girls on that video and these girls here. We are the same women in the same industry. We are professional actresses who are interested in providing a top quality service for our clients. Some days it's more of a job than other days. Some days you hop on the sex machine and it's controlled by an expert and you have a great time and feel really lucky to be able to do what you're doing. Some days you hop on the sex machine and it's jackhammering away at you 7K RPM and the guy on the other end is berating you and your real life is threatening to bust through the other side of the bedroom door. Unless it's REALLY BAD you smile and toss your hair and try to give the second guy the same great show you gave the first guy. This is your job and you're an entertainer and you want to make everyone happy. People think they can tell when you're not having a good day but unless they know you personally or you're a bad actress, they can't, actually. LOL, and trying to go Columbo on it and figure out "the fakers" will just make everyone neurotic and get you banned from a lot of chat rooms.

So what happened here is that you walked into the break room, which maybe 20% of clients/customers ever find and you said, "hi ladies, I have something that I think you should try because I think it'll make your job easier/better/more lucrative. I know nothing about your job or your industry but I like the product of your job and I've spoken with both people who have a hobby similar to your job and people who I paid for company and they said that if they were you they'd like it too."

If you take the people who cussed at you with a grain of salt (or put them on ignore, you can do that) and look at the opinions of the other people as guidelines and product suggestions you've got some good places to start looking at improvements to make your product marketable. Once again, I'll mention that what we say has little impact. If you want to sell this, you need a platform to use it which means you need a cam site. It's going to be WAY too much work to make your own site. So make some product improvements, get a glossy, professional-looking site together and pitch to cam sites. You've got to be able to compete with VSex and RealTouch so you've got a lot of work to do. Once a cam site partners with you, THEN you can find your diddle girls. Before then, it's a waste of everyone's time to find anyone other than a few girls who are local to your area to test and film the promo videos.

One last note. You came into the break room of our job. It's no wonder that you've found a "the customer is not always right" mentality. This is where we feel safe venting about our jobs. I'm sure in your day job you're not always pleased and I'm sure you vent similarly to your coworkers. Your clients just never see it.

Tolstoy, Time Magazine Isobel signing off.