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LolaBohemia
05-25-2012, 11:25 PM
SM won't let me do gold shows and I haven't the slightest idea why.
Also I had a 5 star rating and then it suddenly went to 4. What's with that shit?

OJenni!
05-26-2012, 12:00 AM
wait wait wait...100 people in a room at once?
ARE YOU SERIOUS??!?!?
I have NEVER had more than 10 and I think that only happened once.
The other night I was on for 3 hours and never had more than 3 people in my room at a time.
Shit I will make someone free graphics and banners if someone wants to give me pointers on what the hell I'm doing wrong.
Now, admittedly, I am of the Fetish/Domme variety but even promoting 'vanilla' shows I still get nothing on that site. I've never understood the hooplah people say about it. It's one of the worst paying sites for me on the net.

I have seen 500 in a room, but that does not mean shit if no one is spending. I would much rather have a room of 5-10 people, with a few regulars among that crowd, then say a room of 100 that are not gonna spend a dime. Traffic is one thing, paying traffic is another.

LAChloe
05-26-2012, 01:58 AM
i logged on sm for a bit tonight. yep. bad.

Cam_Model_Jess
05-26-2012, 05:19 AM
SM won't let me do gold shows and I haven't the slightest idea why.
Also I had a 5 star rating and then it suddenly went to 4. What's with that shit?

Ratings drop off every 90 days. So it's possible that, if you've had a significant change in your average rating in the last 90 days, your rating could drop from 5 to 4. Check the overall ratings for your checks around 90 days ago. You might've had a low week; and maybe only a few bad ratings (if you rarely have them) could drop your overall.

If either one of those things is true for you-- and if your overall rating has improved lately (weekly, not the "stars" you see)-- you can look forward to it going back up again.

catgirl
05-26-2012, 09:04 AM
yeah i have seen a drastic drop in the number of people who drop by my room.. i used to get about 20-40, these past few days i've been lucky to see 10! what is going on?? i've also been having technical problems which blows, and same for mfc- i have a brand new gaming computer and highspeed internet (my upload is great) and the websites won't help me figure out the problems!! :/ seriously thinking about stripping! oh well i guess it's nothing new that sm's support sucks. but for awhile i was checking out other rooms and damn they looked dead too, and had a significant less number of peeps in their room than they normally do (even top row girls/couples) :( someone better make a good camsite fast! this is not good lol

Melonie
05-26-2012, 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by GlamourRouge

Why are you guys even arguing this? lol. Its already a fact that Streamate's major traffic source got cut off in mid-January. And it will continue to drop and more & more sides are taken in the matter. Unless Manwin sells Streamate (aka not going to happen), traffic will continually die there. So ummm... if you want to continue to work on that site, I suggest you do porn or whatever you can to get your name out there, and also to take of your georestrictions (which most in this thread already have off) just because your traffic will increase because more people will be able to see you.


Agreed. It's a slow, sinking ship.


Obviously, from the lack of other responses, 99% of the camgirls posting in this thread really don't have a grasp in regard to the acquisition of StreaMates by ManWin. From an adult webmaster's forum ...

"""Most of the tube site that manwin has purchased promote streamates. If you combined all of the manwin properties and took the total number of sales that they send to streamates I woud bet it would be by far streamate's biggest affiliate and contribute a significant amount of their sales. This would put manwin in a strategic position to play hard ball and try to buy streamates or pull their traffic and send to someone else.

The value of the company is relative to it's sales, so manwin can pull their sales and devalue streamates. Without getting into too much needless details, by far streamates would be their next move as far as cam sites go. Both Streamates and MFC might not want to sell, but Manwin has a lot more control to force streamates into a sale and they have no control other than over paying to get MFC to sell. """

"""While streamates.com might not have a lot of traffic, where they make all of their money is from their white label sites. They have over 1,000 white label sites. Each white label is on it's own domain. If you added up the traffic from all the white label sites it would produce 10x more traffic than MFC.

pornhublive.com alone is an alexa 652 site. ypmate (youporn's white label) is an alexa 1000 site. Those are just 2 of the 1,000+ white label sites that streamates has floating around."""

"""I thought you said they only went after high volume sites when I mentioned Streamates, now Streamates is too big to buy?


Considering the purchases that Manwin has made in the last couple years and taking into account that they represent a huge chunk of Streamate's sales (as I explained above) I don't think they would be too big to buy. I don't think there is many if any adult companies that would be too big for manwin to buy. It just comes down to do the owners want to sell or not or in the case of Streamates how much can Manwin influence the sale. """

"""One of Fabian's first purchases (with who's money I have no idea) was iwantu.com (dating site) remember them? Manwin also bought webcams.com over a year ago.


The obvious goal the last couple years was to go after the traffic sources (tube sites) which was the main reason they did the deal with twistys, for shap's good tube sites. Sure some rebills and content doesn't hurt, but it was just the icing on top of the cake (tube sites.) """

"""They make acquisitions that they can make money from. I am sure they made money off of the webcams.com deal, but perhaps they still profit more from what ever sweet deal they have with streamates. I didn't post that they are trying to go after streamates, I just commented that imo streamates would be the most logical next cams purchase not myfreecams. """

""" Maybe they are gonna profit take for a year. Pay off the debt. They seemed to have either slowed down or run out of people to buy."""

"""yes and biz 101 says whenever possible backwards integrate. Buy out your distributors or in this case your major revenue sources.

Tubes are their distribution channels, now they need to own and control all their monetization channels."""


http://images.nymag.com/news/features/sextube110207_2_560.jpg

>>> good overall discussion of ManWin at <<<


To try and put this extremely simply, ManWin's purchase of StreaMates ... in combination with ManWin's previous ownership of tube sites and other adult sites that 'feed' traffic to StreaMates ... now places them in the position of a de-facto JP Morgan of adult internet dollars !!! If ManWin's PhD's in economics decide that more money can be extracted from adult internet customers by routing them to some other adult websites besides StreaMates, since the acquisition this 'reassignment' of 'feed' traffic can be made to happen with an hour's worth of phone calls.

cvarga
05-26-2012, 05:42 PM
I'm not understanding what Melonie is saying, maybe because of the different quotes. Can someone rephrase on blond terminology please?

GlamourRouge
05-26-2012, 05:50 PM
I'm not understanding what Melonie is saying, maybe because of the different quotes. Can someone rephrase on blond terminology please?

Manwin purchased Streamate. Streamate's major traffic sources were cut, and will continue to be cut. The site is and has been going downhill and will continue to do so unless its purchased by someone else who sends them traffic, but that won't happen because Manwin is the #1 power player in the porn world.

Its basically the equivalent of a busy independent strip club being bought by Deja Vu, and then Deja Vu not promoting that strip club anymore and sending the spendy customers elsewhere where they can take more of a cut and thus more of a profit. Manwin is to porn as Deja Vu is to strip clubs.

Cam_Model_Jess
05-26-2012, 05:52 PM
I'm still trying to figure it out. But I think it basically means that they bought the sites that are sending traffic to Streamates. Then they bought Streamates b/c of the income generated/site hits, whatever. But if they decide that another webcam site would bring them more money than SM, they can redirect ALL the traffic from all the tube sites they own to that other cam site. Just an example: Manwin purchases LJ and they believe they can make more money from that site. So they quickly go onto all the tube sites they own and do whatever coding they need to do, and suddenly SM's traffic drops by x% b/c when you click on a link on a tube site, it sends you to LJ instead of SM.

Sure, it wouldn't necessarily have an immediately absolutely devastating affect on SM's models b/c lots of them have regulars and lots of guys like to visit SM and don't do so thru tube sites. However, eventually the site would see a major loss in paying traffic because of an overall loss in traffic in general.

Eventually models will start dropping off the site (like many already are) until the site becomes more of a ghost town, with fewer tops models and a slimmer selection of models. This will eventually lead to the majority of paying traffic going elsewhere, and to top earners either losing their regulars (b/c they too like variety), or b/c the other top earners took their regulars with them to their new site.

Wow, way to depress a girl on Saturday night.

cvarga
05-26-2012, 05:55 PM
I'm still trying to figure it out. But I think it basically means that they bought the sites that are sending traffic to Streamates. Then they bought Streamates b/c of the income generated/site hits, whatever. But if they decide that another webcam site would bring them more money than SM, they can redirect ALL the traffic from all the tube sites they own to that other cam site. Just an example: Manwin purchases LJ and they believe they can make more money from that site. So they quickly go onto all the tube sites they own and do whatever coding they need to do, and suddenly SM's traffic drops by x% b/c when you click on a link on a tube site, it sends you to LJ instead of SM.

Sure, it wouldn't necessarily have an immediately absolutely devastating affect on SM's models b/c lots of them have regulars and lots of guys like to visit SM and don't do so thru tube sites. However, eventually the site would see a major loss in paying traffic because of an overall loss in traffic in general.

Eventually models will start dropping off the site (like many already are) until the site becomes more of a ghost town, with fewer tops models and a slimmer selection of models. This will eventually lead to the majority of paying traffic going elsewhere, and to top earners either losing their regulars (b/c they too like variety), or b/c the top earners took their regulars with them to their new site.

Wow, way to depress a girl on Saturday night.

Manwin bought Playboy's site and I think Playboy TV, no?

Cam_Model_Jess
05-26-2012, 05:57 PM
I just read your post, GR. I think we replied at the same time.

Cam_Model_Jess
05-26-2012, 05:58 PM
Manwin bought Playboy's site and I think Playboy TV, no?

Manwin bought Playboy back in Nov

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/playboy-enterprises-inc-and-manwin-close-deal-133032238.html

GlamourRouge
05-26-2012, 05:58 PM
Manwin bought Playboy's site and I think Playboy TV, no?

Manwin owns EVERYTHING! Almost all the tube sites, Twistys, Webcams, various other cam sites. They pretty much own everything except MyFreeCams and Penthouse & Hustler as for major adult companies go.

cvarga
05-26-2012, 06:05 PM
Manwin purchased Streamate. Streamate's major traffic sources were cut, and will continue to be cut. The site is and has been going downhill and will continue to do so unless its purchased by someone else who sends them traffic, but that won't happen because Manwin is the #1 power player in the porn world.

Its basically the equivalent of a busy independent strip club being bought by Deja Vu, and then Deja Vu not promoting that strip club anymore and sending the spendy customers elsewhere where they can take more of a cut and thus more of a profit. Manwin is to porn as Deja Vu is to strip clubs.

Yeah, it's becoming a breeding ground for minors and freeloaders. As far as I knew this is why we were all upset about certain girls sitting in front of their cams topless and taking $25 gold shows on $100 goals. As a side note I had someone ask me to do a $1 show last night and it really upset me. I see the whole camming thing falling and not just Streamate. Tips by one person for the masses to enjoy, and private shows becoming an antiquity and rare treat.

cvarga
05-26-2012, 06:07 PM
Manwin owns EVERYTHING! Almost all the tube sites, Twistys, Webcams, various other cam sites. They pretty much own everything except MyFreeCams and Penthouse & Hustler as for major adult companies go.
So where is traffic being redirected? Free tube sites for the pay per join/pay per click thing? This is the part I don't understand. Stepping back and looking at it on the whole, where does the traffic go? Is ppv being phased out?

cvarga
05-26-2012, 06:13 PM
I have seen 500 in a room, but that does not mean shit if no one is spending. I would much rather have a room of 5-10 people, with a few regulars among that crowd, then say a room of 100 that are not gonna spend a dime. Traffic is one thing, paying traffic is another.

I swear my blocked list grew by at least 100 yesterday. I'm tired of seeing the same guys log in day after day without a word, I'm tired of the in/out guys surfing guest chats for tits and teases, I'm tired of guys being offended when I don't carry a direct conversation with his lonely ass and especially tired of the e-mails from guys who in so many words call me a bitch for banning their self entitled asses.

The majority of the guys who are in my chat room (what's left of my not banned list) are there to spend. I may have at most 5 guys a time but they are quality guys.

GlamourRouge
05-26-2012, 06:27 PM
So where is traffic being redirected? Free tube sites for the pay per join/pay per click thing? This is the part I don't understand. Stepping back and looking at it on the whole, where does the traffic go? Is ppv being phased out?

Other cam sites.

Smurfette
05-26-2012, 06:27 PM
Personally this year so far has been great for me. My earnings are the highest they've ever been on average, and I've been camming for two years now. I just logged back on today after not camming for 2 weeks, and it's a bit slower than a usual Saturday but nothing I'm terribly concerned about. Ever since I joined this forum I've seen threads pop up every week or two complaining about how dead it is and how Streamate is TOTALLY GOING DOWNHILL... blah blah blah. Those threads used to scare me and even discourage me from logging on at all. But eventually I learned to disregard them.

Having said that, I personally feel (gut feeling, not informed opinion) that anyone who relies on webcam (particularly only one site) for 100% of their bread & butter is taking a huge risk. I do pretty well on Streamate and I've gotten so accustomed to making $50+ per hour that I'm terrified of something happening to that income stream. So in recent months I've started focusing on other income streams. Clips4Sale is one, and various online endeavours comprise the rest. I've set out a goal for myself that by Christmas of this year, my other income streams will be large enough for me to quit webcam entirely if I so desire. Or at least provide enough of a buffer that slow days or even the complete downfall of Streamate will not send my finances into a tailspin.

Cam_Model_Jess
05-26-2012, 06:29 PM
Other cam sites.

What other cam sites? I'm confused as to what other sites they believe will do better with the traffic they send. Not that SM is the shit... I'm just curious.

GlamourRouge
05-26-2012, 07:03 PM
Personally this year so far has been great for me. My earnings are the highest they've ever been on average, and I've been camming for two years now. I just logged back on today after not camming for 2 weeks, and it's a bit slower than a usual Saturday but nothing I'm terribly concerned about. Ever since I joined this forum I've seen threads pop up every week or two complaining about how dead it is and how Streamate is TOTALLY GOING DOWNHILL... blah blah blah. Those threads used to scare me and even discourage me from logging on at all. But eventually I learned to disregard them.

Having said that, I personally feel (gut feeling, not informed opinion) that anyone who relies on webcam (particularly only one site) for 100% of their bread & butter is taking a huge risk. I do pretty well on Streamate and I've gotten so accustomed to making $50+ per hour that I'm terrified of something happening to that income stream. So in recent months I've started focusing on other income streams. Clips4Sale is one, and various online endeavours comprise the rest. I've set out a goal for myself that by Christmas of this year, my other income streams will be large enough for me to quit webcam entirely if I so desire. Or at least provide enough of a buffer that slow days or even the complete downfall of Streamate will not send my finances into a tailspin.

lol no one understands that these are 2 completely different things, do they? Its already a fact that the traffic has been cut off and it will probably continue to taper off. We are talking about down the line. It hasn't affected everyone yet. Most people still has regulars, or should, so many have not noticed much of a difference. But the majority really have. Eventually those regulars will die off and big spenders on that site will be few because they are sent to other (well, another) site now.

Smurfette
05-26-2012, 07:15 PM
lol no one understands that these are 2 completely different things, do they? Its already a fact that the traffic has been cut off and it will probably continue to taper off. We are talking about down the line. It hasn't affected everyone yet. Most people still has regulars, or should, so many have not noticed much of a difference. But the majority really have. Eventually those regulars will die off and big spenders on that site will be few because they are sent to other (well, another) site now.

Oh, I agree. I never meant "well my earnings are fine so this isn't happening". I just wanted to mention that I've stopped worrying about doomsday threads like this one because it doesn't do me any good. Building other income streams helps and so does focusing on the positive.

I too would like to know what other cam sites the traffic is being redirected to.

AvaLove
05-26-2012, 07:18 PM
I don't know about Streamate future when girls on the first row of the first page are doing gold shows for $40 for 8 min *face-palm*

cvarga
05-26-2012, 07:32 PM
Oh, I agree. I never meant "well my earnings are fine so this isn't happening". I just wanted to mention that I've stopped worrying about doomsday threads like this one because it doesn't do me any good. Building other income streams helps and so does focusing on the positive.

I too would like to know what other cam sites the traffic is being redirected to.

Well see that's just the thing and don't get me wrong, I'm not singling you out personally but this is the same way many girls are also thinking when they show their tits and teases in guest chat (and I'm not saying this is what you do, I'm using it as one of the many examples we've covered in this thread). Why worry about tomorrow when it's here today? Well my question is, and not to you specifically but after seeing the direction this industry is taking, what kind of resume do you have? What kind of work experience do you have outside of camming? Where do you see your self in another 6 months? 1 year? 2 years?

Even if you do have a higher education the fact is the job market is extremely competitive especially when you can't account for X amount of time you have spent on cam. Most of us never intended for camming to be our primary source of income but it has become a life saver and something we depend on to keep the rent/mortgage paid, food on the table, car maintenance, retirement funds and everything else we need to survive in this world.

What will we do when the PPV guys roll off the rotation and we are left with the hagglers, freeloaders and $1/10 minute guys who expect tits and teases before the show? My average following stays for 3 to 8 months before I start turning a new one and every time I turn a new following it keeps getting smaller and smaller.

What will happen if you marry, have a couple of kids and suddenly in your late 30s or early 40s your marriage ends? You haven't worked in 15 years, no one wants to hire you. How will you survive? What if you graduate from college and land a great career but something goes wrong and you get fired or laid off? Will camming still be here? Will you look back and wish you did things differently when it was still there?

Please trust me when I say what is here today may not be here tomorrow. Yes, enjoy it while it's here today, but also, is there anything that can be done to preserve it in case we need it again tomorrow?

TM1975
05-26-2012, 07:32 PM
I was doing some general digging around on Alexa.com. SM has been very very slow for me this week as well. So I wanted to check the traffic on some of the other sites. It seems that they have all followed in line.

I *think* I am looking at the right thing, if I am not, someone please correct me. :)

30525

The imlive drop was a little more drastic it seems. But they all seem to be following the same pattern.

GlamourRouge
05-26-2012, 07:37 PM
I was doing some general digging around on Alexa.com. SM has been very very slow for me this week as well. So I wanted to check the traffic on some of the other sites. It seems that they have all followed in line.

The imlive drop was a little more drastic it seems. But they all seem to be following the same pattern.

And guess who owns most cam sites? Manwin.

Jessica1001
05-26-2012, 07:41 PM
I don't know about Streamate future when girls on the first row of the first page are doing gold shows for $40 for 8 min *face-palm*


Errrrr.... I'd be very happy/encouraged if I saw girls selling 8 min gold shows for $40. :-?

Did you mean 40 mins for $8?

Jessica1001
05-26-2012, 07:41 PM
Oh... you meant $40 GOAL, not buy-in? My bad.

TM1975
05-26-2012, 07:43 PM
And guess who owns most cam sites? Manwin.

Yeah I wasn't going on about that fact, i'm still trying to wrap my head around it :D I was just trying to point out that it isn't just SM thats having a bad week, and also trying to see if any of the other cam sites traffic was actually going up instead of down :(.

amanda36c
05-26-2012, 09:35 PM
Manwin owns most tube sites, not cam sites and they never owned Streamate. They recently acquired Webcams but it's slow as hell right now. Not sure if they're planning to build it up or sitting on it to sell, but it's theirs. Traffic to that site looks really bad and there have not been many changes since I last tried it. It's too bad because it's a very simple site with loads of potential. What cam sites do they own, besides Webcams? I'd love to know! lol

GlamourRouge
05-26-2012, 10:31 PM
Manwin owns most tube sites, not cam sites and they never owned Streamate. They recently acquired Webcams but it's slow as hell right now. Not sure if they're planning to build it up or sitting on it to sell, but it's theirs. Traffic to that site looks really bad and there have not been many changes since I last tried it. It's too bad because it's a very simple site with loads of potential. What cam sites do they own, besides Webcams? I'd love to know! lol

Manwin owns Brazzers which acquired Streamate.

LaurenAus
05-26-2012, 10:35 PM
http://gfy.com/showthread.php?t=1025036&page=9

starting on page 9 of this forum there's talks of manwin setting their sights on cam sites

TracyBlade
05-26-2012, 10:45 PM
lol.. funny..
are they drolling over you?
duh, obviously...
this is GREAT!!! news:)
You;re admired.. liked.. wanted..by 2 more people...
So Be happy.

I haven't gone through everything in this thread yet BUT I did want to say everything Fridays is saying is true, whether we want to hear it or not, your demeanor does affect whether or not the customer will want to pay for a show...be it now or later down the road. I have had to look hard at myself after last night/this morning and had some good conversations and realized that low and behold some of this IS my fault and I WILL change it. It's not anyone's fault but my own if I come across as in a shitty mood...I have had a lot going on the past few months and I've let it get the best of me, and it's effected my outcomes negatively. It's true, your chances of $ are better with 100 people in your room than 2 but at the same time if you treat the 2 you have like shit or ignore them or don't engage with them really...that's $ lost now or in the future. It's really important to think positive thoughts I've come to realize because after I started doing this, I noticed an increase in my results...

Melonie
05-26-2012, 10:51 PM
starting on page 9 of this forum there's talks of manwin setting their sights on cam sites


^^^ if you reread the adult webmaster quotes I posted earlier, you'll get the idea that Manwin's effective 'control' of the majority of web traffic feeding to StreaMates was to be used as 'leverage' toward accomplishing a 'hostile takeover' at a price that ManWin was willing to pay.

This speaks to the bigger issue that, where 'amateur' talent is concerned at least, adult webcam host sites' business models are heavily dependent on being funneled web traffic from external sources. In the past, the adult webcam host sites 'paid for' that funneled web traffic via a barter arrangement ... i.e. providing 'amateur' video content harvested from amateur camgirls as additional content for the tube sites etc. which in turn funneled web traffic back in their direction. However, if this barter arrangement 'falls apart' ... which could very well happen given that ManWin's tube sites now have access to all sorts of amateur adult video content from a plethora of different ManWin sources ... the future possibilities for adult webcam host sites that don't wind up being owned by ManWin ( or one of it's divisions ) could be pretty bleak ! Obviously this is just now beginning to take shape.

Charlotteslut
05-26-2012, 11:29 PM
I wonder if this is the beginning of the end, or if another site is going to crop up and be the next SM. Any ideas/speculation?

Sad thread is sad. :(

miamia4me
05-26-2012, 11:41 PM
SM was never good for me, I only signed up because of the amount of people that posted about it on this site. Even ifriends was better for me than SM. I never made a penny on SM so for me this thread isn't news.

Melonie
05-27-2012, 12:35 AM
I wonder if this is the beginning of the end, or if another site is going to crop up and be the next SM. Any ideas/speculation?

Even ifriends was better for me than SM


I'll take a chance and speculate that camgirls who can 'create their own traffic' will do well regardless of the webcam host they use. Of course, doing this is much easier if the camgirl can bring some sort of 'outstanding' credentials into the picture ... mainstream porn appearances, feature entertainer, huge boobs or other body fetish, a core of loyal fans / 'regulars' etc. The 'amateur' girls who are virtually 100% dependent on hooking up with customers as a result of 'blind' webcam host traffic will be the most affected when the level of webcam host traffic is reduced.

Jessica1001
05-27-2012, 01:16 AM
I went on today for a bit, and traffic seemed fine.... :-/


Actually, quite a few viewers seem to be relaxing with a few beers/whiskeys/cocktails this weekend, and that is ALWAYS good for business. :-)

amanda36c
05-27-2012, 01:46 AM
I know Manwin owns Brazzers but Brazzers never acquired Streamate. If they did, it would be announced on their site, just like their acquisition of Webcams is. Right here. The last one (Nicosia, Cyprus) is where Webcams is.

cvarga
05-27-2012, 06:45 AM
I know Manwin owns Brazzers but Brazzers never acquired Streamate. If they did, it would be announced on their site, just like their acquisition of Webcams is. Right here. The last one (Nicosia, Cyprus) is where Webcams is.

This is what I thought. To my knowledge Manwin has had his sights on Playboy; the website and the TV station.
Although I do see a snippet where it says, "related sites" and lookie there, some things in common (site profile, scroll down). I'm looking at the SM profile.
I don't know what that means though. It could just be SM feeders.

This is what I was asking in previous posts.

Cam_Model_Jess
05-27-2012, 06:49 AM
http://business.avn.com/articles/technology/Manwin-s-Fabian-Thylmann-Gives-Keynote-to-Record-Crowd-461103.html

Begin article quote:

At the beginning of 2009, he approached the owners of PornHub, which was owned by Mansef, to see if they were interested in selling the notorious tube site. “I wanted to buy PornHub because I thought that starting in the U.S. with two things I didn’t have—traffic and a site that sells—was going to be hard, so if I had one of the two, it would be easier.”

Not knowing him very well, however, the Mansef people did not want to sell and the deal fell apart, but in October 2009 he spoke with the owners again and by that time they were not only ready to sell the one site but all of their properties, including Brazzers and MoFos. Negotiations continued through the end of the year...

..."...in March 2010 as many of you know I acquired all the assets of the Mansef group of companies. At the same time I bought WebCams.com, which was a side deal, but it made sense. I used those two deals to redo my whole company structure and basically in March 2010 what is Manwin today was born.”...

...“That funding helped to pay down the sellers notes for Mansef and WebCams,” but it also helped fund the Spankwire, Twisties and Playboy deals, and also the Digital Playground acquisition. In other words, with respect to Manwin acquisitions history is still clearly unfolding...

...As additional proof of his good intentions, he added that right after buying Mansef he set up meetings with one of the more powerful intellectual property law firms in the country so that he and his team could learn more about the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA). He also began to change the underlying business model of the tube sites acquired from Mansef to make them more DMCA-compliant. He added, however, that he was not able to change them over as quickly as some (or he) would have liked, explaining that doing so would have driven too many of the site’s surfers to tubes that don’t care about the industry. Doing so slowly still resulted in a decrease in the Alexa ratings of his sites, but the end result was the survival of the sites and a user base that actually converts into paying customers....

End article quote

cvarga
05-27-2012, 07:01 AM
Who originally owned pornhub? Who owns it now?

cvarga
05-27-2012, 07:13 AM
^^^ if you reread the adult webmaster quotes I posted earlier, you'll get the idea that Manwin's effective 'control' of the majority of web traffic feeding to StreaMates was to be used as 'leverage' toward accomplishing a 'hostile takeover' at a price that ManWin was willing to pay.

This speaks to the bigger issue that, where 'amateur' talent is concerned at least, adult webcam host sites' business models are heavily dependent on being funneled web traffic from external sources. In the past, the adult webcam host sites 'paid for' that funneled web traffic via a barter arrangement ... i.e. providing 'amateur' video content harvested from amateur camgirls as additional content for the tube sites etc. which in turn funneled web traffic back in their direction. However, if this barter arrangement 'falls apart' ... which could very well happen given that ManWin's tube sites now have access to all sorts of amateur adult video content from a plethora of different ManWin sources ... the future possibilities for adult webcam host sites that don't wind up being owned by ManWin ( or one of it's divisions ) could be pretty bleak ! Obviously this is just now beginning to take shape.

I dunno. Lately SM hasn't been pushing around web traffic, back and fourth, doing the shuffling of stale traffic that has been going on for the last decade. SM's advertising has changed. Who just spent I don't know how much on television commercials? That would answer the question. SM is not dying off, it's summer time, there's a lot of free girls with their head stuck up their butt and a laundry list of other determining factors. I would not say this is the end all-be all for SM, just a phase in time. I just saw another cam site advertising on Digital cable last night ( only18 or just18 ). Any relation?

cvarga
05-27-2012, 07:18 AM
I haven't done this in years but as far as I remember, cam sites want absolutely nothing to do with video and gallery sites because it's junk traffic. This is what we used to use for circle jerking and bumping our links, and not for conversion. It was a big joke for a while, the pay per click and pay per join programs all got scammed. There was a huge payout but no conversions for the actual cam sites.

nemcis
05-27-2012, 07:31 AM
I haven't done this in years but as far as I remember, cam sites want absolutely nothing to do with video and gallery sites because it's junk traffic.

That is so true, I had 30 CJ sites in the paste, that is the only thing gallery traffic is good for, such as from "the Hun" 1 million+ visitors on your gallery but when I got lucky 3 sales.

cvarga
05-27-2012, 07:44 AM
That is so true, I had 30 CJ sites in the paste, that is the only thing gallery traffic is good for, such as from "the Hun" 1 million+ visitors on your gallery but when I got lucky 3 sales.

Yeah lol. I remember listening to guys who had content sites disguised as amateur indie sites. They wanted to get listed on the "homegrown" link exchanges because they knew our traffic exchanges were of much better quality. We had a huge moment to prevent them from breaking in, all the while, we had mirror sites to use their junk traffic for the opposite benefit which was more exposure on our own exchanges.

I'm not going to say where the converting traffic originated because now that I think about it, I just may use it :)

nemcis
05-27-2012, 08:48 AM
I'm not going to say where the converting traffic originated because now that I think about it, I just may use it :)

I'am playing with the same idea for a few weeks...

KimKlass
05-27-2012, 09:11 AM
I'm fairly new on SM, but have any of you noticed that Friday nights are AWFUL? Seriously, I thought it would be better on weekends, but Fridays are just crazy slow. Granted, I'm pretty new, so I don't have much traffic, but it is markedly slower on Fridays. What gives?

Melonie
05-27-2012, 10:29 AM
know Manwin owns Brazzers but Brazzers never acquired Streamate

^^^ AGAIN trying to backtrack to my quotes from adult webmasters ( which are now on a previous page), the problem isn't whether ManWin owns StreaMates or not. The problem is that ManWin owns the sites that originate 90+% of the 'blind' web traffic that 'amateur' StreaMates camgirls are heavily dependent on in order to extract money from paying webcam customers. The adult webmasters speculated that StreaMates was a ripe target for a takeover attempt by ManWin ... not that such a takeover had already taken place.

The adult webmasters further speculated as to the mechanism ManWin would use in order to 'coerce' StreaMates into selling ownership. That mechanism would be via redirecting 'blind' web traffic from the huge number of tube sites that ManWin already owns to some other destination besides StreaMates. By depriving StreaMates of their 'barter' arrangement - i.e. no longer able to 'pay' for web traffic by trading webcam video streams harvested from StreaMates camgirls in exchange for tube site traffic ( which ManWin can now easily replace from their many other content generating divisions / companies ), StreaMates will effectively be faced with a dilemma. StreaMates can either A. pay cash money to 'buy' traffic ( hence TV and other advertising ) ... which will lower their profit margin = net profits thus lower the 'fair market value' of StreaMates when a buyout offer is made, or B. StreaMates can attempt to continue operations with lower levels of traffic after ManWin sites redirect their links away from StreaMates to some other destination ... which will lower total sales volume = net profits thus lower the 'fair market value' of StreaMates when a buyout offer is made.

In both cases, StreaMates loses ... and potentially so do StreaMates camgirls ... unless they are capable of directly attracting web traffic to their webcam by some means other than StreaMates 'blind' traffic pages.

Fridays
05-27-2012, 10:56 AM
I think everything will be fine.
Dont try to convince me otherwise.:P cause I aint having it :P
:meditate:

justanothercamgirl
05-27-2012, 01:20 PM
I think everything will be fine.
Dont try to convince me otherwise.:P cause I aint having it :P
:meditate:

Only if you promise me you won't try to convince me otherwise on the points I made.

I kid, I kid. ;)