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Lovelyme
05-30-2012, 12:13 PM
Btw eric you are so smart but so dumb. The bust happened last week. You posted a year old article. Again i will prove you wrong because that is what I do.
Eric Stoner
05-30-2012, 12:14 PM
Ok we'll see who's full of shit in a few minutes. I've decided to post the owners message. I'm on my mobile, I'm not home right now. Stay tuned. And I will include a link although you won't be able to access it although being a vouched member.
A link to what ; where ? On Indys ? I belong to Indys ( at your suggestion btw ) and there is no such thing there. Assuming the owner of Indys did get himself arrested and it was as well known as you claim, you'd think there's be something posted somewhere about it. Maybe on TER or Bigdoggie ?
So wtf are you talking about ?
Eric Stoner
05-30-2012, 12:17 PM
Btw eric you are so smart but so dumb. The bust happened last week. You posted a year old article. Again i will prove you wrong because that is what I do.
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Won't be the first time. If, IF, you somehow magically come up with READABLE links reporting what you have posted, I will apologize. At the least I will have gotten you off your ass and gotten you to actually DOCUMENT at least some of what you claim.
Lovelyme
05-30-2012, 12:46 PM
Again you cannot see the post because it is in thevouched area of indys. Simply being a member does not give you access to that area. Again read my posts and gets your facts together. I have to copy and paste the owners message from that section. I can't do it from my phone. The post is on Indys.
Lovelyme
05-30-2012, 01:13 PM
This is the board owner's message:
time sensitive.
Lovelyme
05-30-2012, 01:17 PM
Note from LovelyMe: This is the message from the owner. In my previous posts, I made it clear that the owner was trying to cover up the fact that was in fact a federal investigation. He is saying it was a local investigation and it was not. The agents at the party identified them as Federal Agents. I was told that it was the "Swat Team" that busted the party. I have no agenda and I will never have an agenda when it comes to things like this. Those of you ladies that know me in person know how far I go to make sure everyone is safe and out of trouble.
To Eric Stoner, You know me. I know you. We have actually met in person. I took up for you when a whole community was against you for the stupid shit you pulled at YOUR LAST nj party. Now I see how much of a DICK you really are. You accused me AND Nikki of lying and tried to say it had nothing to do with indys.com when it did. You continue to show your ass over and over again. You were the clueless one here and showed how clueless you are by posting about something that happened a year ago that had NOTHING to do with the situation. I have posted my proof. This is the end of me posting wherever the blues are at. Thank you very much.
To the ladies: Please get access to the board and READ that whole thread. To those that feel that I just typed all of this up. Here is a screenshot
LAChloe
05-30-2012, 01:24 PM
Girls, why are you even fighting with the bottom feeders. Ignore them so they can go to TER or all of the other boards they have where they are welcome.
Here is what I don't understand- if a cam customer goes into camming connection and tries to post, we all flip out and he is eventually banned. We find any reason possible to ban him and get him out of there. Thankfully, Kaia doesn't put up with it.
Why isn't it the same when the bottom feeders try and post here?
I have now crossed over and am working in the "OW" category. I pm with different ladies but I rarely will ask a question over here because I do not want to have ANYTHING to do with the bottom feeders. It sucks that SW which should be a "safe haven" away from these losers isn't because there is a handful that post here. I don't understand why they think that is okay. It's not. It really pisses me off. Literally, when I read review sites, my blood boils. These guys really are the bottom feeders of society. It is gross.
Since they probably are not going to go anywhere, I vote that we make a verified section. I don't care who we let in but bottom feeders are not allowed. I have no problems with dancers/cam girls being allowed because I have religiously read OW since I joined SW and that is what made me make the jump.
If we have a verified section, every time someone who is not in the verified section posts a question in OW, we will direct them to the verified section. We really have to take a stand against the bottom feeders. They are soooooooooooo gross.
Lovelyme
05-30-2012, 02:26 PM
5. In January, the U.S. Attorney voluntarily dismissed ALL charges. That almost NEVER happens. It did in this case because the U.S. Attorney had to sheepishly admit he was not ready for trial. He was not ready for trial because he was unable to come up with any EVIDENCE of underage prostitution against those arrested.
Just a modest suggestion "Lovely" ; Check your fucking facts FIRST and then dispense your half baked pearls of wisdom.
Sorry I hate to keep bumping this thread (no..not really) BUT this little paragraph right here is evidence that Eric had no clue what he was talking about. The indy.com bust (owner being arrested) happened last week. The article he posted had nothing to do with the party. This is why I said earlier on if you do not have access to the PRIVATE boards you will not get the gist of the story. Obviously Nikki does and is a verified provider and that is why she agreed with me. This bust had not even made it to the media yet (as far as I know). It's only been talked about backchannel. Eric thanks for posting the old article.. i mean .. showing your ass again. No worries you don't have to apologize. I will just continue to "dispense my half baked pearls of wisdom" *rolls eyes* ;-)
BlkSharpie
05-30-2012, 03:35 PM
WRONG ! the owner of Indys.com was not remotely involved or connected to this. Neither was "Mallory".
The FBI got in becuase the dummies who hosted these gatherings let in ANYBODY.
All charges were voluntarily dismissed by the U.S. Attorney back in January !
In all fairness Eric, the links you posted, and the bust youre talking about that happened about a year ago, is not connected to the one that we're all talking about that happened a few days ago. The owner of Indy's made an official statement in the private area of the board, so while I cant send you direct links to prove it happened, I can say that a bust certainly did happen a few days ago and is whats causing the current concern.
jannisary
05-30-2012, 05:13 PM
My definition of strip searched = The agents went through the ladies purses.
So all this "drama" because you embellished how they were searched? Good grief. A pat down and going through their purses is a FAR cry from a strip searching.
The Scrops, AE, and EscortVault bust was definitely different things Eric, so I do think you owe Lovelyme an apology on that. The US Attorney did drop the charges against those guys but its possible they'll be reinstated later.
Lovelyme
05-30-2012, 05:19 PM
So all this "drama" because you embellished how they were searched? Good grief. A pat down and going through their purses is a FAR cry from a strip searching..
I didn't embellish anything. I am not from this country and sometimes use words incorrectly when trying to explain myself. I even said "forgive me" for mixing up the words because I didn't know there was a difference between police searching and police strip searching (yup you can laugh now). I had no agenda and I did not try to mislead anyone. Simple as that, Jannisary. Everything I posted here was 1.) What I was told by attendants, 2.)What I read in the private boards..etc
And btw the drama was not because of strip search mistake. You guys even went as far as saying the agents didn't give the drugs back and that DID happen. Eric then started accusing us of making this story up and he had no clue so yes it was a big mess but I "caused" NOTHING!
idgaf_luvr
05-30-2012, 07:01 PM
I think the point of the message in this thread was needed. I don't see why the exact details were even made into an debate. I would be scared as fuck if I was there, whether the feds were there to get me or not; whether they strip searched me or not. Hindsight is 20/20. I would definitely not go to another MnG after being involved in something like that (I've never been to one).
thelovelylenee
05-31-2012, 04:36 AM
My favorite clients are the ones who are not hobbyists, not on any boards, who are just on P411 or DateCheck, and dont have the time or inclination to spend hours upon hours of thier day writing on the boards, writing reviews, discussing the reviews, boasting about their position in the community and blah blah blah. I swear, for some of these guys its like a full time job...without pay. And interestingly enough, its *rare* I even get a date with one of those guys. Im thinking the ones who have all that free time to live on the boards dont have much time left to have an actual job to be able to afford ladies with higher rates. Blah them and all of that.
Anywayzlies...lol if I ever were caught up in a sting or bust or what have you, even if they let me go I would probably be too shaken to keep going with this....and I do agree and see it, if they collect my info, that they may well turn around and start trying to use me as bait..whatever will serve their purpose. Which is actually exactly why if a lady has been busted, no one considers her a reference anymore, at least not around here...its not fair, but Im more concerned with my own safety than with being fair.
Ooh and btw...I know all this went down in Cleveland, but ehhhh, I decided today I wont be going to Columbus afterall. I just dont want to be in Ohio anytime soon. Too much stuff going on there.
I am in Ohio and can say that Lovely's story coincides with what I understand happened in cleveland , and yes Ohio is quite strange right now , ESPECIALLY trhe boards .....
Lovelyme
05-31-2012, 04:44 AM
I am in Ohio and can say that Lovely's story coincides with what I understand happened in cleveland , and yes Ohio is quite strange right now , ESPECIALLY trhe boards .....
Thank you!
What's even more suspect is how many people are still advertising on that board. I would be scared shitless. I'm sure indys.com makes loads of money in advertising dollars but I feel he's putting his members in danger by leaving the board running. Who's to say those undercovers aren't on TER, ECCIE, P411 after all this. Not only was the site compromised the whole screening/vouching process has been compromised.
genevievela
05-31-2012, 06:24 AM
Thank you!
What's even more suspect is how many people are still advertising on that board. I would be scared shitless. I'm sure indys.com makes loads of money in advertising dollars but I feel he's putting his members in danger by leaving the board running. Who's to say those undercovers aren't on TER, ECCIE, P411 after all this. Not only was the site compromised the whole screening/vouching process has been compromised.
So very true.
I heard about this as well. A huge number of people have deleted their accounts on Indys but there are still a lot of advertisers there.
Eric Stoner
05-31-2012, 07:21 AM
I APOLOGIZE. I owe "Lovely" and Nikki an aplogy and gladly do so.
I did what "Lovely" said to do : I joined Indys and read the ONLY postings that remotely fit what SHE posted. O.K. the owner of INDYS was busted. Are you folks telling me that the arrest of an owner of an escort board was NOT reported anywhere ? I got the guy's real name and Googled it and came up with NOTHING. Zip. Zero. Nada.
Nobody has a link to any report, anywhere about this "big bust " ?
According to him the FBI was NOT involved. Is that right ?
He's been charged with "promoting". Apparently he and Mallory were the only ones charged. We'll see what happens. Wanna bet the case falls apart ? Like the other one I confused with this one. We'll see.
It LOOKS like he permitted women under 21 to attend = Dumb. Somehow he let UC's get access to his gathering = Double dumb.
Lovelyme
05-31-2012, 08:28 AM
Eric, this just proves that lots of cases go unreported.
Also I don't knowwhat name you're googling but I'm pretty sure it's not the owners name.
Again others are coming forward and saying this is what happened, do you still think I made any of this up?
I would never do that. At the end of the day, we have to look out for each other.
Eric Stoner
05-31-2012, 09:14 AM
Eric, this just proves that lots of cases go unreported.
Also I don't knowwhat name you're googling but I'm pretty sure it's not the owners name.
Again others are coming forward and saying this is what happened, do you still think I made any of this up?
I would never do that. At the end of the day, we have to look out for each other.
I never accused anyone of fabrication. It LOOKED like incredible sloppiness. Embellishment and inaccuracy never helps anybody.
I Googled the whole Cleveland are a for a report of this incident and came up blank. That is unusual because LE loves to trumpet these kind of arrests. It COULD mean that the waters are deeper and more is going on than what we have heard so far i.e. they have a continuing investigation and/or are pressuring people to cooperate. I DON'T KNOW.
You were right. I was WRONG. I apologize again.
BlkSharpie
05-31-2012, 09:21 AM
Thank you!
What's even more suspect is how many people are still advertising on that board. I would be scared shitless. I'm sure indys.com makes loads of money in advertising dollars but I feel he's putting his members in danger by leaving the board running. Who's to say those undercovers aren't on TER, ECCIE, P411 after all this. Not only was the site compromised the whole screening/vouching process has been compromised.
To be honest, I always assume that LE can be, and is anywhere... I have no doubt that they are on and members of all these sites, even P411 and DateCheck. I dont feel secure about seeing someone just because they are a member of any site, I still *always* screen them, and I still *always* get and check references. And if I get a bad feeling, even if everything checks out, I dont go along with it just because they have been vouched/okay'ed/etc.
What concerns me is the vouch system, where guys expect just because they are "verified" that they dont have to give up any info at all. Thankfully, since Im not yet vouched on Indy's and so cannot see any vouch info, none of the guys I have booked for Pittsburgh have had any problem with giving me my required screening info to check them out. But I know that many women feel safe enough just seeing that by a guys handle, and will see a guy with no idea who he is, only that hes vouched. That to me is a false sense of security, and I do not like the idea of taking somoene elses word for it. I want to do my own screening for exactly the reason you put here...LE *is* everywhere.
Eric Stoner
05-31-2012, 10:38 AM
Just being a "member" of anything is NEVER enough. I know some gals for whom being "Whitelisted" is not enough. They still check references. As they should.
Lovelyme
05-31-2012, 11:14 AM
To be honest, I always assume that LE can be, and is anywhere... I have no doubt that they are on and members of all these sites, even P411 and DateCheck. I dont feel secure about seeing someone just because they are a member of any site, I still *always* screen them, and I still *always* get and check references. And if I get a bad feeling, even if everything checks out, I dont go along with it just because they have been vouched/okay'ed/etc.
What concerns me is the vouch system, where guys expect just because they are "verified" that they dont have to give up any info at all. Thankfully, since Im not yet vouched on Indy's and so cannot see any vouch info, none of the guys I have booked for Pittsburgh have had any problem with giving me my required screening info to check them out. But I know that many women feel safe enough just seeing that by a guys handle, and will see a guy with no idea who he is, only that hes vouched. That to me is a false sense of security, and I do not like the idea of taking somoene elses word for it. I want to do my own screening for exactly the reason you put here...LE *is* everywhere.
So are you saying you don't accept provider references?
Sweetie the undercovers had at least 9 provider references.
Most escorts accept references for verification. That was my point.
I know for a fact le is in all these sites but can you name cases where they went as far as seeing/getting references from providers? I'm gonna guess no.
It's very rare for le to go through all that trouble unless..unless they are trying to catch a big fish aka agency, pimp, board owners..etc. I don't know about you but I would love to know who their references came from.
Btw I've been screening using a different method that seems to be working well.
Lovelyme
05-31-2012, 01:07 PM
Oh and to add: A lot of girls don't check references. Not a good idea. Guys can easily give fake references.
I've started requiring deposits if the guy can only provide his employment info and has no references and this has worked well for me.
Lola_Bunny
05-31-2012, 01:44 PM
Wow I can only imagine how shaken up those girls are. I've never been to a meet and greet and I probably never will. I'll stick to one on one meetings instead.
BlkSharpie
05-31-2012, 01:58 PM
I most definitely *do* require references... I was just saying, I would rather check on the guys *myself* rather than just look at something next to someones name that says vouched and assume they are good to go. But even then I dont just take someones word for it...my screening goes beyond references, thats only a part of how I check a guy out.
Its so true though, that a lot of ladies do not actually follow up with the references, or even check out who the reference is....it could be any woman saying hes okay. It makes no sense to me to ask for refs, and then either not follow up or accept someones word without knowing who they are. I dont play that. And its happened to me many times where references either dont get back to me, or are shady = no date.
jannisary
06-01-2012, 03:03 PM
http://www.grainbeltnews.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=39405
Lovelyme
06-01-2012, 06:13 PM
Yup I posted that screenshot and removed it.
jannisary
06-01-2012, 07:07 PM
Yes, I saw it. Did you notice the link on the GBN to the little press release type article on the Cleveland Public Safety site? I didn't copy that link here just in case someone tracks back the traffic coming to that site.
Lovelyme
06-01-2012, 07:15 PM
Yes, I saw it. Did you notice the link on the GBN to the little press release type article on the Cleveland Public Safety site? I didn't copy that link here just in case someone tracks back the traffic coming to that site.
Nope I didn't notice until now. Thanks for the link.
Nyx_GG
06-15-2012, 04:36 AM
Dude don't stay in Boston airport hotels. Talk about ghetto. The daysinn is literrally like $279 a night so get ready to kick out. I stayed at one hotel that literally required guests to check in and check out once.. i was petrified but the guys were ok with it LOL! I have a few recommendations for that area that are working girl friendly and very affordable like under $200 and 4 star (depending on when you book). Pm me.
Massachusetts law actually requires all persons entering a hotel to show ID and sign in at the front desk. Luckily very few hotels actually enforce this. It's one of those laws they like to pull out to screw with people when they can't prove anything, but believe something is going on. Also the state police frequently run stings in the airport hotels, especially the Hilton. Most clients don't like going to the airport either because they have to pay for parking, and a toll to leave.
jennydemilo
06-27-2012, 08:33 AM
Meet and greets are BS for increasing business and always have been. Its a myth perpetuated by clients who wanna play grab ass and have women try to entice them into seeing them by flirting etc. Simple fact if a client is interested in booking you he will, no meet and greet is going to make him book. They do or they don't. I've written about this a lot.
I've been to an Indys meet and greet while on a suckage tour in Ohio and bored out of my mind. I was unvouched for on the site but got the OK to attend based on my reputation. So i would guess its pretty easy to get into a meet and greet if you are unvouched, I would also guess it would be easy to get vouched if you were an under cover hell 3 of them got into the Indys M&G. How many sites have been compromised in the last few years? TER, Datecheck, SW companions, TZ, BD, MFP are a few off the top of my head. Pretty much all of them at one time or another to different degrees.
Meet and greets are dangerous, you can get arrested. Just answer an under-covers question as to what your rates are. Bang Arrested. They make for big splashy headlines for LE and news orgs. Maybe you can get that charge thrown out in court but now you have a record and have been arrested. That will be on your record forever even an expungement shows an arrest. So attend them at your own risk, and for the love of god don't believe clients or potential clients when they tell you that X will increase your business they are ALWAYS working an angle.. always.
Jenny
Eric Stoner
06-28-2012, 07:49 AM
Meet and greets are BS for increasing business and always have been. Its a myth perpetuated by clients who wanna play grab ass and have women try to entice them into seeing them by flirting etc. Simple fact if a client is interested in booking you he will, no meet and greet is going to make him book. They do or they don't. I've written about this a lot.
I've been to an Indys meet and greet while on a suckage tour in Ohio and bored out of my mind. I was unvouched for on the site but got the OK to attend based on my reputation. So i would guess its pretty easy to get into a meet and greet if you are unvouched, I would also guess it would be easy to get vouched if you were an under cover hell 3 of them got into the Indys M&G. How many sites have been compromised in the last few years? TER, Datecheck, SW companions, TZ, BD, MFP are a few off the top of my head. Pretty much all of them at one time or another to different degrees.
Meet and greets are dangerous, you can get arrested. Just answer an under-covers question as to what your rates are. Bang Arrested. They make for big splashy headlines for LE and news orgs. Maybe you can get that charge thrown out in court but now you have a record and have been arrested. That will be on your record forever even an expungement shows an arrest. So attend them at your own risk, and for the love of god don't believe clients or potential clients when they tell you that X will increase your business they are ALWAYS working an angle.. always.
Jenny
A LOT of people would beg to differ with you. Many ladies say that M & G's HAVE increased their business. Many guys have said that meeting a particular lady PERSONALLY caused them to book with her when they were otherwise not so inclined.
Most M & G's are VERY strict about verification. The hosts require references and thoroughly check those references.
I've previously expained that N.Y. has the strictest law on solicitation. You can be arrested for just agreeing to perform a sexual act for money. You don't have to do it and no money need change hands. In my experience, specifics are NOT discussed at M & G's. Quite the contrary. That and other "nitty gritty" is reserved for another time and place. Usually scheduling is discussed and contact info is exchanged. It rarely goes beyond that. it is rare for a hook-up to occur at a M & G and for a guy and gal to go off arm in arm. Usually that has been PRE-arranged. For most attendees it is a social event. Period. A chance to see old friends and re-connect and a chance to meet and make new friends. Judging by all the events that are going forward despite what happened in Cleveland, obviously most people disagree with you. What happened in Cleveland and before that in Houston, were aberrations. That is NOT what usually happens at a M & G and most people know it.
jennydemilo
06-28-2012, 08:37 AM
Most M & G's are VERY strict about verification. The hosts require references and thoroughly check those references.
You can be arrested for just agreeing to perform a sexual act for money. You don't have to do it and no money need change hands. In my experience, specifics are NOT discussed at M & G's.
You're misinformed as to "Most" meet and greets. Maybe the ones you've hosted were strictly verified but many are not and clearly based on this latest Indys bust where invited undercover law enforcement attended the party as vouched members of that site prove that. In fact people can and do get arrested at meet and greets. Indys isn't the first to have this happen, they wont be the last.
Don't forget what killed escorting in AZ, a major bust by inviting undercover cops to meet and greets. A lush pond of work was reduced to locals moving out of the area just to scrape up a living. Un-vouched for, no reference people get invited to meet and greets ALL the time. Hence arrests at them from people INVITED to attend.
And its not just NY where agreeing to an act with no exchange of money is cause for arrest for solicitation, thats pretty much the definition of solicitation everywhere. But as we all know LE can arrest you for any made up reason and tell you to work it out in court. Now you have an arrest record and spend a little time in jail.
So weigh your options. Is going to a meet and greet where someone else (usually a hobbyist) screens the guests (if they screen and don't just take a screen name for whatever board they are on as screening info) worth the risk of attending? I wouldn't trust ANYONE to screen for me, i don't put my safety or security in some hobbyists hands. Do the cost benefit analysis: what will being arrested for prostitution do to your life, what will it cost to hire a lawyer and go to court, how much to you trust that person inviting people (do you even know them?), how appealing is a big meet and greet prostitution bust to your local LE. Now how much work to you realistic need to get from that party to make those risks worth it. 1 booking, 2? 100?
The times they are a changing maybe once upon a time M&G's were worth the effort/risk but now...
BlkSharpie
06-28-2012, 09:26 AM
I think for the most part, there is no one thing that works for everyone, and theres no one thing that sucks for everyone... There no standard that we all must adhere to and we all have the freedom/ability to run our business' how we see fit. I *really* have no vested interest in whether someone goes to a M&G or not, among other things that ladies do. If one lady feels it boosts her biz, who am I to tell her shes wrong and it never does for anyone. If a lady feels M&G's are not worth it too risky, who am I to tell her shes wrong and she should be going to them. The only person I can make those decisions for is myself.... That goes for pretty much every aspect of the business in my eyes..
The only thing that Im really firm about is that no matter how we run or business or what we do, is to do everything in our power to protect ourselves, dont incriminate ourselves, screen, maintain some level or paranoia, dont trust everyone, dont let your guard down.... because I dont want to see anyone end up in jail or in a bad situation with a crazy client. But the nuances of what a lady feels works for her, doesnt work for her, and how she runs her biz...thats not up to me to decide and I dont need anyone telling me what I should or shouldnt be doing either. Im a pimp free zone lol
Eric Stoner
06-28-2012, 09:34 AM
You're misinformed as to "Most" meet and greets. Maybe the ones you've hosted were strictly verified but many are not and clearly based on this latest Indys bust where invited undercover law enforcement attended the party as vouched members of that site prove that. In fact people can and do get arrested at meet and greets. Indys isn't the first to have this happen, they wont be the last.
Don't forget what killed escorting in AZ, a major bust by inviting undercover cops to meet and greets. A lush pond of work was reduced to locals moving out of the area just to scrape up a living. Un-vouched for, no reference people get invited to meet and greets ALL the time. Hence arrests at them from people INVITED to attend.
And its not just NY where agreeing to an act with no exchange of money is cause for arrest for solicitation, thats pretty much the definition of solicitation everywhere. But as we all know LE can arrest you for any made up reason and tell you to work it out in court. Now you have an arrest record and spend a little time in jail.
So weigh your options. Is going to a meet and greet where someone else (usually a hobbyist) screens the guests (if they screen and don't just take a screen name for whatever board they are on as screening info) worth the risk of attending? I wouldn't trust ANYONE to screen for me, i don't put my safety or security in some hobbyists hands. Do the cost benefit analysis: what will being arrested for prostitution do to your life, what will it cost to hire a lawyer and go to court, how much to you trust that person inviting people (do you even know them?), how appealing is a big meet and greet prostitution bust to your local LE. Now how much work to you realistic need to get from that party to make those risks worth it. 1 booking, 2? 100?
The times they are a changing maybe once upon a time M&G's were worth the effort/risk but now...
Hmmm. Can you be arrested just for ATTENDING a Meet & Greet ? No.
Is it possible for a U.C. to attend one ? Anything is possible but it would be VERY difficult. If not known to the host, he'd have to present references from women he has seen who are KNOWN providers. And they in turn would have to confirm that they saw him. Why would they do that ? It seems to me that this hypothetical U.C. would be investing a LOT of time, effort and money for a very uncertain return. If there is no hanky panky on the premises, why is it worth his while ?
What I will say is that just because a guy attends a Meet & Greet does NOT automatically mean he is good to go. Proper screening procedures ought to stay in full force and effect BEFORE you agree to see him.
Despite some unhappy events and resulting unpleasantness the fact remains that most Meet & Greets are safe and worthwhile.
fragelica
06-28-2012, 12:17 PM
Meet and greets are really for the hobbyists, and the ridiculous amount of backchanneling that occurs immediately after the M&G...not to mention the the dissecting of an escort on a boys-only board.
jennydemilo
06-29-2012, 04:33 AM
Hmmm. Can you be arrested just for ATTENDING a Meet & Greet ? No.
Is it possible for a U.C. to attend one ? Anything is possible but it would be VERY difficult.
Despite some unhappy events and resulting unpleasantness the fact remains that most Meet & Greets are safe and worthwhile.
This thread is about 5 people who were actually arrested at a meet and greet. You're posting on a thread about a meet and greet being busted how safe meet and greets are and how they never get busted, you realize that right? The irony here is laughable
Lovelyme
06-29-2012, 06:29 AM
Jenny, please do not entertain Eric's bs. He will talk up meet and greets all day because he hosts them all the time so don't be surprised at his claims. Meet and greets are great if you want to be known in the community and that's it. I have attended a few of them and have sworn not to attend anymore. As someone that has actually attended a few meet and greets, I will say that YES it MAY increase your business. To be fair, I attended one of Eric's a few months back and the next day I had 6 guys wanting to book me (no I wasn't going to see 6 guys a day - they were prospective clients). Mind you I ALREADY had bookings for the next day. These were clients I had gained from doing advertising on Eros and other advertising boards. I did find that guys at meet and greets will try to see you without giving any references and that's puzzling in itself. Kinda makes me wonder how the hell they got in the party if they have no references. Fact of the matter is you do NOT need to go to a meet and greet to make money in this business. I personally wish I had never gone to any of those meet and greets. I saw escorts do the most disgusting things at these parties/mixers I attended. If you have a strong stomach and want to be entertained go and see for yourself.
LOL @ No hanky panky on the premises .. really eric? Eric, I have went to parties of yours where sex for money was taking place in booths. in fact, I was at the one where a girl ran out of condoms and started doing bareback sessions. How do I know? Her girlfriend came up to me and asked me for condoms and started blabbing about how her friend is having sex in the booth without condoms. What the fuck do I look like carrying condoms to a so called party where I was told NO SEX would be taking place. Fuck me for being naive. I was very confused. I don't even know why you said that sex does not go on at your parties - it does.
Meet and Greets are NOT safe. I knew all the risks associated with these parties before going. I told my girlfriend not to go to the one in Ohio the night before the bust and she went anyways. Now she is scared straight.
LAChloe
06-29-2012, 01:22 PM
Girls- let's not feed the bottom feeders. So gross.
jannisary
06-29-2012, 05:59 PM
Well there can be a confusion of terms. What might happen at a "meet & greet" or a party depends on the people hosting it. If you decide to go to something like that you want to make sure you understand what sort of event you are going to. It sounds like Lovelyme went to more of a private party event than what is generally considered a "meet & greet."
I used to go to those sort of things until the local St. Louis board I was a member of closed down. We never had problems associated with those events. BUT they were fairly small events in comparison to some of the stuff happening in other cities. Some girls strongly believe those events helped their business and others pretty strongly felt it didn't have much of an effect. I just sort of figure it is a marketing tool of sorts. If a lady wants to use that particular tool, that's her choice. If not, that's her choice too and its not that big of deal to me either way.
At these events there will always be guys trying to get a free feel or trying to set something up without going through screening. Then there are the guys who's only chance socializing with beautiful sexy women is at these events. Then there are the guys who will want to waste your time, tell you how to improve your business, try to pick you up for a free date, or whatever other stereotypical "hobbyists" behavior you can imagine. Of course there are actually guys who use these functions to meet and judge new girls they'd like to see. Basically everything about the "hobby board" that annoys, entertains, hurts, helps, and so on can be found at these events.
Personally I'm neither really for or against them. I do absolutely realize attending such events increases my security risks. I don't see how anyone could deny that.
In the case of Indy's somehow LE got "vouched" status on their board. Now whether the that "vouch" was earned by actually seeing providers or if providers were coerced somehow into giving the "vouches" I do not know. I've heard rumors of both. However it happened their vouch system broke down. Whether there was any additional screening done to attend the Indy party I do not know. Even if the hosts had checked references for each invited person, if LE could get "vouches" it stands to reason the same providers who "vouched" for LE would have given them a good reference too. The people who attended that event put their security in the hands of the hosts. Sure if everyone behaved properly they weren't really in danger of criminal charges for simply attending, but there goes their already tedious cloak of anonymity as soon as LE shows up and starts taking down names.
Another fairly recent bust was the arrest of the owners of EscortVault, AESource, and Scorps. Now in that case it started because of a complaint about underage prostitution made to the local FBI office. Local and FBI agents spent quite a bit of time looking into it. They made very good use of informants who most likely were providers. They never actually busted a party but what they did do was put them under surveillance. They took down license plates and followed some to their hotels.
My point in bringing the above up is to point out, that even though their party wasn't "busted" the people who attended still had their security breached by the informants tipping of LE to the location of the meetings which allowed LE to set up surveillance. A host can do the most thorough job of screening imaginable and still get burned if someone is playing for the other side.
Lovelyme
06-29-2012, 07:35 PM
Wow, I actually thought meet and greets were interviews for the "after party".....I can't believe some people screw at these events :O!!! I'd feel really trashy having sex in front of everyone.
I don't even see the point of a meet and greet when one could tour and make even more money. Meet and greets are for cheap men. If they REALLY wanted to meet me, they would pay me for my hour introduction. So stupppiddd.
I honestly think it's just a way for the host to make money. He knows guys will pay to see their dreamgirls all in one place. I was told there wouldn't be any sex at the party by SO many people but then when I got to the party I would see girls go in booths with their hair and makeup all done and looking pretty only to come out looking fucked up. I was like huh what's up with that? My girl was like yeah they're doing 15/30 minute sessions in the booths. Smfh. While it was gross, it was very entertaining.
Eric Stoner
07-02-2012, 07:41 AM
Jenny, please do not entertain Eric's bs. He will talk up meet and greets all day because he hosts them all the time so don't be surprised at his claims. Meet and greets are great if you want to be known in the community and that's it. I have attended a few of them and have sworn not to attend anymore. As someone that has actually attended a few meet and greets, I will say that YES it MAY increase your business. To be fair, I attended one of Eric's a few months back and the next day I had 6 guys wanting to book me (no I wasn't going to see 6 guys a day - they were prospective clients). Mind you I ALREADY had bookings for the next day. These were clients I had gained from doing advertising on Eros and other advertising boards. I did find that guys at meet and greets will try to see you without giving any references and that's puzzling in itself. Kinda makes me wonder how the hell they got in the party if they have no references. Fact of the matter is you do NOT need to go to a meet and greet to make money in this business. I personally wish I had never gone to any of those meet and greets. I saw escorts do the most disgusting things at these parties/mixers I attended. If you have a strong stomach and want to be entertained go and see for yourself.
LOL @ No hanky panky on the premises .. really eric? Eric, I have went to parties of yours where sex for money was taking place in booths. in fact, I was at the one where a girl ran out of condoms and started doing bareback sessions. How do I know? Her girlfriend came up to me and asked me for condoms and started blabbing about how her friend is having sex in the booth without condoms. What the fuck do I look like carrying condoms to a so called party where I was told NO SEX would be taking place. Fuck me for being naive. I was very confused. I don't even know why you said that sex does not go on at your parties - it does.
Meet and Greets are NOT safe. I knew all the risks associated with these parties before going. I told my girlfriend not to go to the one in Ohio the night before the bust and she went anyways. Now she is scared straight.
I don't know who you are. I've asked you privately to identify yourself without a response. So I have know way of knowing if you have a clue or are just making it up as you go along.
For some reason you refuse to differentiate between a "Meet & Greet" and a party. They are two different things. If you have REALLY attended one or both, you would know that. At every Meet & Greet I attended there was no hanky panky on the premises. It was strongly discouraged. As for parties, I am not going to discuss them in detail on a public board and neither should you or anyone else. i would like to ask you though that if you were so shocked, ShOCKED ! at what you claim occurred, why you didn't just leave ? How do you know what was or wasn't happening unless you claim everything was out in plain view. Possible but highly unlikely.
I know of no one who was busted just for attending a Meet & Greet. Just for being there without more.
If you bothered to READ what I posted you would have seen the part where I strongly suggested that any prospective client that you meet at such a function should get standard screening; that mere attendance at a Meet & Greet is no guarantee of safety.
Afaic, you have expressed a legit pov re: Meet & Greets = "better safe than sorry " and that's fine. There are plenty of people who disagree judging by all the Meet & Greets still going on out there. As for "back-channel" discussion and "sharing" by hobbyists, that has been going on as long as boards like TER have existed.
Finally, not that it is anyone's business but I haven't hosted anything in quite some time and have no intention of doing so in the future.
Lovelyme
07-02-2012, 10:08 AM
I don't know who you are. I've asked you privately to identify yourself without a response. So I have know way of knowing if you have a clue or are just making it up as you go along. .
Why the hell would I reveal myself to you? Why? Another lady here has attended your party and her reason for not attending your parties anymore sounds so much like what I posted you would have thought we were there at the same time. I don't need to make anything up. You and I both know that you have thrown parties/meetandgreets/whateverthehellyouwanttocallthem where sex WAS involved. That is why you did not deny it. End of story.
Eric Stoner
07-02-2012, 11:05 AM
Why the hell would I reveal myself to you? Why? Another lady here has attended your party and her reason for not attending your parties anymore sounds so much like what I posted you would have thought we were there at the same time. I don't need to make anything up. You and I both know that you have thrown parties/meetandgreets/whateverthehellyouwanttocallthem where sex WAS involved. That is why you did not deny it. End of story.
I admit or deny nothing even though it's a moot point. Whatever might have happened, may have happened. Whatever. So what ? Who cares ? Clearly you are NOT attempting to describe a Meet & Greet. Not as commonly understood and accepted by most people in the "community".
Lovelyme
07-02-2012, 11:17 AM
I admit or deny nothing even though it's a moot point. Whatever may have happened, happened. Whatever it was or wasn't was kept private. Clearly you are NOT attempting to describe a Meet & Greet. Not as commonly understood and accepted by most people in the "community".
Dude Meet and greet, party, mixer - same thing in my book. It's still a bunch of hookers/escorts and hobbyists meeting in one place. I am grouping them in one category and yes you can get busted at any of these events. Period.
Eric Stoner
07-02-2012, 11:27 AM
Busted for WHAT ? Just standing around talking ? Because that is what happens at almost every Meet & Greet.If anything, the hosts are being even MORE careful now to make sure that there is NO pay 4 play or anything else inappropriate on the premises. You are trying to lump it all together, not me. You are taking two isolated aberrations and trying to tar everything else with the same brush. Nobody need take my word for anything. All you have to do is read TER and see all the MEET & GREETS that have happened since and which are in the pipeline for the future.
You've decided to play it safe and not go to any social events. That's fine. But there is no need for you to exaggerate and embellish.
Lovelyme
07-02-2012, 11:31 AM
Busted for WHAT ? Just standing around talking ? Because that is what happens at almost every Meet & Greet.If anything, the hosts are being even MORE careful now to make sure that there is NO pay 4 play or anything else inappropriate on the premises. You are trying to lump it all together, not me. You are taking two isolated aberrations and trying to tar everything else with the same brush. Nobody need take my word for anything. All you have to do is read TER and see all the MEET & GREETS that have happened since and which are in the pipeline for the future.
And how many meet and greets have been busted? Exactly. Eric, They're all the same. It takes only one idiot to ruin everything and YOU know that. Yes I am lumping them all in the same category because they're all the same. Ever heard of ASPD? No sex took place there but they were still busted. Talking? What do they talk about at these parties? Seseame street or looney tunes? They talk about SEX for money dude... whatever.
jannisary
07-02-2012, 04:55 PM
The people who got arrested at the ASPD function in Houston were arrested for solicitation. If they would have followed the rules of the function they would not have been soliciting and would not have gotten arrested. The people who were there and didn't commit solicitation were not arrested.
Lovelyme
07-02-2012, 05:36 PM
The people who got arrested at the ASPD function in Houston were arrested for solicitation. If they would have followed the rules of the function they would not have been soliciting and would not have gotten arrested. The people who were there and didn't commit solicitation were not arrested.
Have you ever been to the parties? Soliciting goes on at ALL of them. You do not have to be having sex to get arrested.
jennydemilo
07-03-2012, 04:34 AM
I thought I was speaking with other women in the biz on this thread i didnt realize that it was a hobbyist who was singing the praises of a meet and greets and how safe they were. Though i know others could read the forums, I didnt know hobbyists could be active posting members. Silly me, my bad....I know better to get into a argument with some pay4play dude working an angle and hobbyists who spend their time trying very hard to get involved in the business end of escorting are ALWAYS working some angle or another.
Clearly the ladies on this thread get the whole evaluate your risk thing.
Obenta
07-04-2012, 12:24 AM
I always love how male M&G attendees, and ESPECIALLY M&G organizers ALL tout how good M&G's are for ladies' business and how no sex/solicitation/groping/blowjobs in the parking lot/etc goes on at their parties.
Newsflash!
MOST ladies say the EXACT OPPOSITE when discussing amongst themselves after attending M&G's.
Funny how a recent L.A. M&G had only 30% attendance from rsvp'd ladies. Other M&G attendees on the opposite coast were recently whining about why no higher-profile ladies ever attended the M&G's. Well, duh!