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drearea
08-13-2012, 03:43 PM
Someone from stripperweb should become and agent and use the 10% to feed hungry camgirls. Or ya know, donate to the forum, or simply bump everyone's pay to 60%.
I wonder if you could sign up as an agent and recruit yourself and therefore make the 60%?
EXACTLY my thoughts. I must say, the more this thread grows, the more confused I get.
The direct sign up is the difficult way? Waaah?
roast
08-13-2012, 03:49 PM
^Thanks annabellz, it is confusing and weird since usually most sites if they do referrals (not studios/recruiters/agents) you either get paid one time or you get a commission of the person's earnings for a short period of time or only if the model remains on the site for 6months or something... and usually the referral link contains the site's domain name, not a different one - but you know, there are exceptions to every rule and this is good to know.
So, my bad. Sorry! My bad.
CamCityModels, though: presenting yourself as the site reps is off, you guys can explain your incentive and position honestly? If this were just empty ad space then of course use soundbytes and hype (MILLIONS of DOLLARS) and socks .. but on a forum that is interactive and full of discussion, transparency and just being direct is helpful?
But I was a super aggressive about this and have an overthetop cynicism about new sites/studios.. that's all to say that annabellz clarification makes the most sense, Ill keep my uh pugilism in check, and srsly I am sorry for derailing.
CamCityModel
08-13-2012, 04:00 PM
because I AM a representative for the site.
i dont know if you get it, but we WORK WITH THE SITE, we represent it, we can help the models and all :)
i aint here trying to scam you girls and everything, actually right now im talking with the main support guy about this thread, as one of the affiliates can basically ruin the shit up and make everybody doubt and get confused.
Actually im out of here, thanks for the support.
and good luck for the girl here that want to be an agent.
Regards.
btw we hate studios too and i understand that this industry is fucked up with this kind of guys that want to steal money from girls, and i understand that you dont trust anybody, i was trying to help you and get things going, but thats okay cya
Milaa
08-13-2012, 04:22 PM
So here is my opinion.
OP can't spam her join link enough. If you want to promote a new website just a link in the OP will do, no need to repeat it 230582 times.
Then you are either a studio or affiliate that gets a fixed amount per sign up, it's too obvious.
For the girls who wonder about recruiting themselves for cam websites, yes you can.
I do this with a few websites, sign up as an affiliate and get a fixed percentage per minute the model works.
Then I sign myself up get paid the model amount + affiliate amount. You mad?
Then to make it even more awesome, if an affiliate brings traffic to the cam platform you get more for every cam minute.
So: Become affiliate -> recruit yourself for a higher amount per minute -> bring in your own traffic through things link Twitter -> Ultimate win.
ElianaIsis
08-13-2012, 04:34 PM
Actually im out of here, thanks for the support.....
btw we hate studios too and i understand that this industry is fucked up with this kind of guys that want to steal money from girls, and i understand that you dont trust anybody, i was trying to help you and get things going, but thats okay cya
Yet when questions are asked to get things cleared up you get all pissy and "I'm out of here"!?!? Really sounds like somebody I'd want to work with.......oh wait, that would be for since you'd be getting a cut if we signed up through your link.
Bird of Paradise
08-13-2012, 05:02 PM
^ word.
Enough with the semantics gymnastics, CamCityModel. Whether or not you're an official 'studio' isn't the point. Though it's nicer for camgirls who sign up under you that your 10% comes from the site's cut rather than the camgirl's cut, your motive is the same: your OWN financial benefit. Don't pretend you're only here to 'help us out and get things started'; If that were the case you wouldn't have gotten into a turf war over this thread with your supposed 'competitor' recruiter.
You display the same unprofessional, territorial behavior as any studio pimp. Now you're upset that your potential goldmine has been jeopardized by exposing the truth, so you act immature. We don't take kindly here to people who spam and hide their true motives to make money off us. It would've looked a lot less shady if you were honest about your role and profits from the start.
annabellz
08-13-2012, 05:42 PM
So I guess the bottom line is for anyone considering taking the plunge into camcity.com the most profitable way to do so is to go directly to the site, sign up to become an agent- then sign yourself up as a model under your own agent link. You will then be paid 50% of what you make as a model and an additional 10% as your own agent as long as you work there.
Problem solved. And for any future 'agent recruiters' who post here the above explanation can be cut and pasted to their thread. ;D
CamCityModel
08-13-2012, 05:45 PM
of course i want to work as clean as possible and of course i want to make money.
and im pretty sure everybody here want to make money too. its a job ;)
yes i can say im a representative of the site, i work with the site and have direct connections whit the owners and almost all the guys there. they pay me and other workers to register the models, support, answer questions and all.
do you understand? i know all cam models have strong things against the words "studio" and "agent", why? simply because usually these kinds take a part of the profits that should be for the girl and take it.
i and other guys that WORK WITH camcity dont do it. i get paid by the site, not by the models, get it?
thats why im not a "studio" or "agency" that will make girl get "$10k each week". im a camcity employee and like alot of other kinds of business, my job is to help/assist/recruit models and getting my commision from the site.
hope you understand it.
as you can see im aways trying to help here answering all the questions, replying the pvts and all. thats my job.
im not spamming here, by the way we not even promote on forums, just some spammers affiliates spam all over the chatrooms and forums.
as a serious worker for camcity, i just came here to clarify the original question of this thread, im not even the op.
regards
CamCityBen
08-13-2012, 06:59 PM
Hey everyone, Ben here from Camcity. I heard about this thread over here today and I wanted to personally stop in and set the record straight just so everyone is on the same playing field and understands whats going on. When a cam girl signs up directly to camcity she will earn 50% of everything she earned while online. If she used a link from a agent it doesn't come out of her pay, it comes out of ours instead. So that means she earned 50% and the agent earned 10% and the site 40%. A model cant sign up as a agent and then sign up herself because we have measures in place to make sure this doesn't happen. We want everyone to play fair and enjoy the site to the fullest.
If you have any issues please feel free to contact me at
[email protected] or you can contact me on skype:Buster1974
I'm one of the managing partners of the site. We have been in the industry for a very long time so this is nothing new to any of us. We all make our living from the internet and have for years. Camcity will become one of the largest cam sites in the industry over the next year or so and we would love for you all to be apart of it.
To success!
Ben
loveshooks
08-13-2012, 07:15 PM
Like everyone already noted above, this whole mess could have been avoided with some honesty and transparency on the part of the recruiters who have posted here.
With all the discussion going on in this thread, I moved it to Industry Insight so that the male site owner could respond to our questions/comments and clarify exactly how the percentages work in the different sign-up scenarios. Unlike others posting in camming connection, Ben is respecting the 'ladies only' rule in cc. There is a permanent re-direct in cc so anyone searching for the site will still find the thread there, as well as here.
to the recruiters:
Enough with the semantics gymnastics
presenting yourself as the site reps is off, you guys can explain your incentive and position honestly? If this were just empty ad space then of course use soundbytes and hype (MILLIONS of DOLLARS) and socks .. but on a forum that is interactive and full of discussion, transparency and just being direct is helpful?
CamCityModel
08-13-2012, 07:20 PM
thanks for clarifying it all for the girls here ben =)
and now you can please confirm that i am a legitime/official way for the models application, work with camcity, and my job is to assist and recruit the girls to register as models @ camcity.com, and im not trying to scam or take the models money in any ways (aka studio).
sorry for the misunderstanding caused after the guy posted his site as he was a model, i never tried to fake what i am, im just replying all the questions and pvts and assisting girls to join our site aka doing my job.
CamCityBen
08-13-2012, 07:35 PM
CamcityModel is an agent. Camcity doesn't currently allow any studios to work for our site nor do we have any plans to in the future. We could easily fill the site up with studios as we know almost all of the major ones in the industry but we feel it would lower the standard of our brand new site. CamcityModel signed up as a agent and has been working hard to build up there team of girls. Although after reading the entire thread I can see where the uncertainty lies but they were just trying to do what they thought was right and bring girls to the site under them.
Ben
CamCityModel
08-13-2012, 07:43 PM
thank you again ben.
I present myself as an guy that work with camcity, instead of agency studio or agent, why i do it?
Cause i actually work with camcity helping girls get approved (mostly got application rejected in the first place for a reason or another), help them setup everything and what not.
Of course im getting my money to do it, but the im getting my money the right way, not getting models percentage, but helping them and camcity is paying me for this, trying to let them trust i aint just another studio.
I menage and lead registration for the oficial site, so basically im an oficial way to work with camcity with no brokerage, as a partner should be.
im almost 18 hours a day on twitter/email/whatever supporting girls that are having problems joinin the site.
when you work with me i will make my best to repass any question that you have and i aint able to answer and everything.
hope you understand it all now
sorry if i should tell "ok girls you can oficially register @ camcitymodel.com ill support you with any help, but ill be getting money from CAMCITY if you do, as i work for them and they pay me (as every other business)".
regards
roast
08-13-2012, 07:48 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Since the confusion is over terminology and just general clarity:
CamcityModel is an agent. Camcity doesn't currently allow any studios to work for our site nor do we have any plans to in the future. We could easily fill the site up with studios as we know almost all of the major ones in the industry but we feel it would lower the standard of our brand new site.
Since we now understand that an agent for CC is just a referrer and their earnings come from the site not the model, can you explain the a studio registration link on your site (http://signup.camcity.com/registration/studio)? Does that mean it is something else asides from what is traditionally known as a remote virtual studio? Meaning, is it just for physical studio signups?
Also underneath the studio registration page it links to here: http://makemoneyoncams.com/ is that just a whitelabel for CamCity's registration page?
I just want to make sure I under the different tabs of registration page of your site.
CamCityBen
08-13-2012, 07:54 PM
Thanks for the clarification. Since the confusion is over terminology and just general clarity:
Since we now understand that an agent for CC is just a referrer and their earnings come from the site not the model, can you explain the a studio registration link on your site ( Does that mean it is something else asides from what is traditionally known as a remote virtual studio? Meaning, is it just for physical studio signups?
I just want to make sure I under the different tabs of registration page of your site.
Its a tab that was created in the beginning as we were constructing the site in case we decided we wanted to pick and choose the premier studios to work with, we have never decided to take it down because down the road we may want to do something with the list of studios we have and new ones we receive. You can never save enough data if you know what I mean. Purely list building to be honest.
Ben
CamCityBen
08-13-2012, 07:57 PM
Makemoneyoncams was purchased solely for the long tail targeted keyword in this niche. Yes its a WL to camcity.
Ben
SarahTime
08-13-2012, 09:15 PM
because I AM a representative for the site.
i dont know if you get it, but we WORK WITH THE SITE, we represent it, we can help the models and all :)
i aint here trying to scam you girls and everything, actually right now im talking with the main support guy about this thread, as one of the affiliates can basically ruin the shit up and make everybody doubt and get confused.
Actually im out of here, thanks for the support.
and good luck for the girl here that want to be an agent.
Regards.
btw we hate studios too and i understand that this industry is fucked up with this kind of guys that want to steal money from girls, and i understand that you dont trust anybody, i was trying to help you and get things going, but thats okay cya
I would appreciate a bit more professionalism coming from a site representative.
Is this type of language how we should expect to be dealt with when we register for the site?
SarahTime
08-13-2012, 09:21 PM
A model cant sign up as a agent and then sign up herself because we have measures in place to make sure this doesn't happen. We want everyone to play fair and enjoy the site to the fullest.
Sounds pretty unfair to me. Why can't we recruit ourselves? Enjoying the site to the fullest, from my perspective, would be to earn the most that I can = 60%.
Camcity will become one of the largest cam sites in the industry over the next year or so and we would love for you all to be apart of it.
Ha. When you have more paying traffic than Streamate, let me know.
SarahTime
08-13-2012, 09:23 PM
Dear God the amount of misspellings and misuse of words... I just can't. The moment someone tries to portray themselves as professional and then says "whit" to mean "with" and "there" to mean "their".... can't do it. lol
CamCityBen
08-13-2012, 09:23 PM
Camcitymodel has already been warned to keep it clean and act appropriately or they will lose their agent position. Hence the reason I stepped in to make sure everything was being handled properly. Although we cant scour the entire internet looking for agents who sign up trying to get girls to sign up under them we try to do our best on a daily basis to make sure our brand is being represented accordingly.
Thanks
Ben
SarahTime
08-13-2012, 09:27 PM
Camcitymodel has already been warned to keep it clean and act appropriately or they will lose there agent position. Hence the reason I stepped in to make sure everything was being handled properly. Although we cant scour the entire internet looking for agents who sign up trying to get girls to sign up under them we try to do our best on a daily basis to make sure our brand is being represented accordingly.
Thanks
Ben
Say we wanted to sign up to the site directly, as in through the registration link on camcity.com, is it true as CamCityModel stated earlier, that we will be getting slower approval and poor quality support?
CamCityBen
08-13-2012, 09:33 PM
The difference between the support you will get would be the added agent on your side to contact support on your behalf, so you would have an extra person helping you. Some questions could be answered he/she already knows so you wouldn't need to wait for our internal support. Regardless you would have to wait for a real employee to help with any kind of issue out of the scope of the agents knowledge.
Ben
CamCityModel
08-13-2012, 09:38 PM
Sorry sarah but i never said that they give POOR support when registering directly.
What im trying to tell is that i have contacts with the approval team, with ben and others and i could talk to them faster than you, or even resolve things by myself.
plus, BY NOW, the registration form used by us (the one that agents use on the site to register models) i can say is more complete than the one on the oficial site, remember both forms are DIRECTLY CONNECTED with camcity.com, they are just diferent, decreasing chances of you having to send new pics, infos and everything.
CamCityModel
annabellz
08-13-2012, 09:45 PM
I agree it does seem unfair that models cant self refer themselves to earn 60%.
Personally I think if a model has a choice between signing up for a site directly and signing up under a link where an agent will be paid a 10% commission, they should sign up directly with the site. If the site is paying lifetime commission to referring agents thats less money they have to invest in other things like traffic and site upgrades and support staff.
Yes, the agents money is not coming out of your pocket, but the better the site does- the better the models on the site will do.
SarahTime
08-13-2012, 09:47 PM
Okay, if I ever decide to join this site... my business will register as an agent and then sign me up as a model. How about that?
I don't really like middle men... I'd rather let good 'ol Ben keep his 10% ya know. ;)
CamCityBen
08-13-2012, 10:01 PM
I agree it does seem unfair that models cant self refer themselves to earn 60%.
Personally I think if a model has a choice between signing up for a site directly and signing up under a link where an agent will be paid a 10% commission, they should sign up directly with the site. If the site is paying lifetime commission to referring agents thats less money they have to invest in other things like traffic and site upgrades and support staff.
Yes, the agents money is not coming out of your pocket, but the better the site does- the better the models on the site will do.
To apply by yourself under yourself seems a little greedy in my honest opinion which is why we have certain things in place to keep this from happening. Agents are used to bring girls in like 99% of the rest of the cam sites out there. They only have one job to do and that's bring girls to the site and manage them if they want to. We encourage them to be proactive and help the girls they have recruited so they build the rapport and help them when they need support. Although if you would like to join as an agent and bring other girls in behind you then you to can sign up as a agent and work both angles. As for the money coming out of our pocket and worrying about the site making money, we have formulated all the math from margins, ROI, agents and models to come up with what were are offering everyone. We have spent a lot of time precisely on the numbers of the back end to make sure this venture is profitable.
Ben
annabellz
08-13-2012, 10:16 PM
lol. So its greedy for a model to explore ways to increase her pay?
And to be clear the agents only job is to recruit girls, they are under no obligation to provide support to the models- you just encourage them to do so. So a helpful agent one day can turn around and be a not so helpful agent the next day... but not to worry they will still be receiving their 10% commission.
CamCityBen
08-13-2012, 10:20 PM
Yeah that's part of life I suppose. Its kinda like anything in life. Going to a car lot buying a car, the salesman quits 2 days later. Meeting the man of your dreams and he cheats on you. Or what if an agents spends tons of time on a model and she never goes online? Its a crazy world we live in.
Annabellz, I completely understand where your coming from. We are just trying our best here to help everyone succeed.
Ben
aberrant
08-13-2012, 10:21 PM
^^^ Similar to what annabellz said. How is it greedy of a model to want a higher percentage of the money that *she* earned. It says right on your site "Would you love to kick back while the girls that you refer are working hard to earn you money?" Why should our hard work earn someone else money when they barely have to do anything? Sounds like a lot of bs to me
In my opinion you would get a lot more models if you got rid of agents, and just paid the models 60%. That's a competitive rate, and would probably attract more people - and it would stop the ridiculous spamming of your agents.
CamCityBen
08-13-2012, 10:27 PM
Because we have ran the variables on the amount of girls that sign up directly to the site after a certain duration, compared to the amount of girls the agents bring in to the site. Sooner before later that number will decrease as the site gets more popular and those numbers have been added to the bottom line of the site and profit needed to keep the site going. Like I said before we are not new to this and we do know what were doing.
Ben
annabellz
08-13-2012, 10:30 PM
^^ I agree. I dont know how many models youve gotten through agents so far but I suspect you'd get far more model sign ups advertising for models yourself and paying them 60%.
roast
08-13-2012, 10:34 PM
^Agents where the site absorbs a lifetime commission of models earnings they refer is abnormal. "Agents" where the model is stuck working underneath a referrer who earns a percentage off of her earnings for a lifetime is far more normal. What you're referring for 99% of camsites recruitment options are studios. Your payout for ppl who have models who signup under them is different than most cam sites. It is uncommon which is why there was a lot of misunderstanding?
If your setup was common performers would not be hostile to studios. I just wanted to be clear about that so people who are reading this dont think the 99% of virtual studios's commission is absorbed by the site, it isnt, it is absorbed by the performer. yr site it is different, but it is only your site. Particularly as you accept studio applications in addition to 'agents' I know of no site that has the same structure as you guys do, if you want to give us a list, please do? But most other sites either have studios or they just have referral IDs/links for affiliates that includes the site domain -- the affiliate just earns off of the signup and/or they earn a bonus of the model's earnings for a limited period a time. They dont have much if any contact with the model. Usually only studios do.
We understand the function of recruitment and its use in the industry - I think where you and your affiliate are missing the puzzle piece is that most of the camgirls who are speaking to you sign up for sites independently (or if they do use an 'agent' or 'studio' its just rapid pay service), are familiar with the industry and generally have no need for managers? So that's kind of the philosophical dissonance here. Perhaps if you were posting elsewhere itd be different.
I think it is admirable how much you are defending your affiliates but I think we've established there was a misunderstanding and it has been resolved. CamCityModel, I think you got a bunch of signups and will continue to do so :shrug: Ben, best of luck with your site?
SarahTime
08-13-2012, 10:34 PM
Because we have ran the variables on the amount of girls that sign up directly to the site after a certain duration, compared to the amount of girls the agents bring in to the site. Sooner before later that number will decrease as the site gets more popular and those numbers have been added to the bottom line of the site and profit needed to keep the site going. Like I said before we are not new to this and we do know what were doing.
Ben
Since this is the second time you have mentioned not being new to this, may I ask who owns CamCity.com? Who is the company behind it?
Also, when do you anticipate there being paying traffic? I see a couple girls online but only 1-5 non tipping members and a handful of guests.
I also am seeing with the girls that are online... their webcam quality is quite poor and it seems to lag a lot... the movement is choppy. Is this a problem on all of the models ends who are online, or a problem on the server end...?
CamCityModel
08-13-2012, 10:40 PM
thank you for the words roast.
CamCityBen
08-13-2012, 10:47 PM
Roast your dead on and I was under the impression that the misunderstanding of how our concept was being portrayed was explained from my first post when I got here. I can see now where there could have been some confusion. Our idea is simple. Get agents to do the leg work for us. Pay them forever for each girl they recruit out of our pocket and don't hurt the girls like other sites do by allowing studios to make a % of there money for as long as they work for that studio. In the long run as the site builds up we wont need the agents as much anymore so we wouldn't be promoting to get more agents. Girls will already know about the site and the largest % will join directly. But for now we are focused on all of the other things to make the site successful. You can look at the agents in 2 difference senses. 1. As ridiculous spammers who are annoying and making 10% for life. Or. 2. I wouldn't be here speaking to each of you without them. It goes both ways but one thing is for sure. Were a legitimate company. I'm not really one to blow smoking mirrors so I will just have to prove that.
Ben
SarahTime
08-13-2012, 10:51 PM
Well I guess I'm being ignored. :)
Milaa
08-14-2012, 04:02 AM
Someone opens a thread and in no time there are 4 newbies that either work / own the website or have OMFGAWESOME experiences with the websites.
So it's either a set up or this new website has nothing better to do than googling themselves all day making sure their so called agents aren't fucking up.
http://cl.jroo.me/z3/k/x/u/d/a.aaa-Legit-Van.jpg
laurielegs
08-14-2012, 05:59 AM
The one thing that pisses me off most about this thread is the entire concept of rewarding a recruiter and paying out 60% total overall, but not to the model.
That extra 10% you are paying to recruiters would be better spent on your models. Without models you don't have a site at all.
annabellz
08-14-2012, 09:32 AM
^^ This. And from another thread, the 'recruiter' said camcity provided him with all the necessary material needed to do his spamming (created him a website-sign up link etc) all he had to do was the actual spamming of it to earn his 10%.
Why not just set up legitimate ads yourself and pay the models yourself 60%?
----
I think that the agents for camcity perhaps should be listed under the avoid studios thread with a disclaimer. As they arent traditional studios and arent taking a percent of the models earnings- they still do qualify for the following reasons:
-If you sign up under an agent link and not directly on the site the agent is being paid a commission based on your earnings. Some may use this commission to pay you bonuses or incentives to join but they are under no obligation to do so. They can provide you with extra support but again are under no obligation to do so- so the support may be dodgy. Because their commission is based on your earnings you can probably expect the same amount of harassment about how much you work/level of your earnings/ time spent online/etc that would get from working in any other studio.
CamCityBen
08-14-2012, 11:48 AM
Well I guess I'm being ignored. :)
Sorry I went to sleep last night, I'm on the east coast so it was fairly late here last night.
Here is our company information:
Trident Asset Group LLC.
4613 N. University Dr. Suite 335
Coral Springs, FL. 33067
roast
08-14-2012, 01:47 PM
The climate of this thread is mostly due to the doublespeak of recruitment/representation, misunderstanding and lbr veiled condescension (of both sides) - and also to be brutally honest I think where many recruiters and sites go wrong on SW is they forget that models...talk back. So the response of performers is going to come from a defensive and irritated place. It isnt a healthy foundation for dialogue. Flyonthewall, great job continuing that theme (not looking to insult* laurielegs but calling her a diva, emotional, hiding behind a'modeling flag', linking to definitions of words, and methodically crushing all of her arguments) but Im sure CamCity didnt intend for this trainwreck of a thread to be the most active form of advertisement for their site :shrug:
I get adultwebmasters and affiliates get frustrated with performers for a battery of reasons, I see and hear it all the time.... but performers get frustrated as well, with few outlets to talk back - so of course when sites advertise on a site that is supportive to cammodels that is where those frustrations will come out. There will be disagreements about how sites invest and allocate funds, advertise, market, recruit etc bc we all need to earn from this industry and not everyone can agree over the details bc we all have our own interests. It is really that simple, that's the foundation of most threads that go wild b/w models and sites/recruiters. That would be a flyonthewall approach to this discussion.
CamCityBen is trying to put out fires here - he's got a pretty decent handle on it. If you want to make his job harder - I mean, by all means?
*youve edited most of your insults out by the time I wrote this, probably a good move.
flyonthewall
08-14-2012, 02:00 PM
you're right. i was biased, attempting to act out my feelings of those unable to see their own short-comings, and forgot an important part of empathy; i can't change anyone else without confusing them into thinking they themselves are changing out of their own accord. deleted.
SarahTime
08-14-2012, 05:37 PM
Sorry I went to sleep last night, I'm on the east coast so it was fairly late here last night.
Here is our company information:
Trident Asset Group LLC.
4613 N. University Dr. Suite 335
Coral Springs, FL. 33067
I was actually referring mostly to this part of my question:
Also, when do you anticipate there being paying traffic? I see a couple girls online but only 1-5 non tipping members and a handful of guests.
I also am seeing with the girls that are online... their webcam quality is quite poor and it seems to lag a lot... the movement is choppy. Is this a problem on all of the models ends who are online, or a problem on the server end...?
But it's fine, I was just curious, I'm sure you all have a handle on it right?
Good luck with the site.
annabellz
08-14-2012, 07:32 PM
Well I have one final thing to say then Im off this thread.
I understand what camcity was trying to do. To start a site you need model and to get the models theres going to be a bit of spamming involved. They were trying to keep their hands clean so to speak- so they decided to go with agents. (its a common practice- lots of sites use model recruiters, its not unheard of). Its just the way they went about it.
They offered a mega awesome deal to the agents -10% lifetime commission on the models earnings, so that the agents would choose to recruit for them over any other site and the result is the agents fighting like cats and dogs, using dirty cut throat tactics to get model sign ups, spamming like crazy and severely damaging camcitys reputation in the process. (who wouldve seen that coming huh?)
It can still be saved. If the site cuts the current agents loose for bad business practices- and discontinues its current outrageous agent referral program, by switching it to a new one- ie one that pays new agents a competitive referral fee (or slightly above) what others are paying (which is usually a flat rate or a few months commission) - you may have a chance.
Its also really ironic that you make a small noble speech about disliking studios and not wanting them on your site yet you created an agent referral program where the agents are in fact 'virtual' studio owners profiting from the models earnings. So you may want to remove that from your 'go-to' speeches when trying to win over a crowd.
You can dismiss everything I wrote, I really dont care because after all I am just a dumb cam model and you are a super smart businessman and have a whole team of super smart businessmen behind you and have crunched all your numbers. But when some one in the street is telling you - word on the street is your rep is being trashed youre a fool not to listen. When a multiple models post your agents spamming makes them uneasy about your site- youre a fool not to listen.
But go ahead- keep putting band-aids on your bullet wounds, and keep us posted on how it works out for you.
CamCityModel
08-14-2012, 09:57 PM
Just to clarify one thing after your last post annabellz, and im out of the thread too. (actually i already was but i just want to make this last words.)
Actually this "agent fight" was a misunderstood, as you can see on my first posts i was really trying to help, i wasn't spamming, i was answering questions regarding the site here and in pvt, and helped some girls to join. In fact i never do any promotion on forums and chat rooms (as some do), you can try to find me posting on any topic/forum/creating threads, but you will never find because i never did it.
I jumped on this thread in the first place just to clarify the question about my site being a studio or not, you can see the op question and i came here (i got analytics on my site, so i was seeing clicks from this forum and came here to see what was happening), i even asked for some girls that was saying i was "a studio for sure" to edit their posts, and they kindly did it. You can imagine i didn't want to let all the camgirls on this forum just talk about my site as it was a studio and thats it.
The problem started when a model came here and posted that she joined by other agent and that we are all agents, and of course you all thought i was scamming you to join under my site and get your money. As explained above, camcity dont work like this, so i wasn't trying to get your cut, i was just trying to help and of course managing my business and getting more girls to join under my site, since it was posted by the op and the others agents have nothing to do with my site.
We don't fight for models between us, we all work on different places and do mostly offline promotion, despite some that are spammers. The owner of the site that the model posted here even talked to me and was sorry about what her model did. He talked to her too.
Me, other agents, support and the owners (ben included) have a group to discuss everything regarding camcity, and i can tell you nobody liked what happened here and its all resolved between us.
Hope you all can understand it.
Regards
Camcitymodel.com
loveshooks
08-15-2012, 12:05 AM
@CamCityModel, this thread does need to die, but I do want to re-iterate one crucial point that has been raised here several times, a point you don't seem to understand.
You are a type of representative of the site, and you are also paid by the site for performers who sign up through your link. Like Roast wrote above, most recruiters/agents/sites do not operate in the manner that does camcity. That's a selling point of the site and it's recruitment process.
The issue started when you misrepresented yourself by not sharing the full picture. Believe me, I get why you didn't want to, as you no doubt felt it would lessen the number of chicas who would choose to sign up through your link, but do you not now see that concealing aspects of your role with the company was the cause of everything that went wrong with this thread?
We who post here know this business and we do always find the answers to the questions we are asking. We ultimately found them here as well, only after you were essentially forced to reveal your role as a recruiter as well as a representative. Can you know see that your dishonesty was the start of the problem? If you have faith in the service you provide, be open about that, explain how the recruitment process works from a financial perspective and what benefits if any a chica will gain from signing up through your link. SW is not a place for you to 'sell' yourself in the way you wish to be presented.
As a result of your deceit in only sharing a half-truth as to your role in the company, Ben was forced to deal with the outpouring of anger that erupted from chicas who rightfully are resentful that someone would enter our forum and manipulate facts to serve their own interests. The site you are promoting for your own financial gain (nothing wrong with that in abstract) became enmeshed with your personal behaviour. You have not served camcity well through your behaviour here on this site and I ask you to consider how this thread played out and take responsibility for your role in causing this mess.
If I were Ben I would be extremely displeased with the way in which you (as well as other recruiters who have chosen a blatant spam approach-I don't think you were spamming) have represented the site here, and if I didn't have to follow the rules of sw moderation, back when this thread was still in Camming Connection I would have banned you for lying by ommission in previous posts when you finally revealed the totality of your role in the company.
Do we really need a 'Must Read for Site Reps' thread in Camming Connection and Industry Insight that cautions to speak truthfully and respect us in communicating with us like the mature, knowledgeable business women that we are?
For what it's worth, I hope Camcity does succeed. Cammers who work big box need more viable options. CamCityModel you have been a hindrance to that, at least in terms of the site gaining sign-ups from the considerable talent available on this board.
Here's the after-school special aspect to this post, and I'll end it here. Don't lie. Even by ommission. We always manage to figure out the truth and those that conceal end up with a tarnished reputation that often extends to the site that is being promoted. Not smart.
Ben, for what it's worth I really think you handled things as well as you could here. Sincere good luck with your site.
CamCityModel
08-15-2012, 12:24 AM
Okay, everything were explained here and im sorry for the misunderstandings and confusion i caused. Reading my posts all over again here, i know i never tried to get more money than i should or get any model money, i was aways talking and representing my site (camcitymodel), and sometimes i may have said some incomplete information to favor my side. But in the end i was and still just trying to help and get girls to join camcity. under me. (obviously i know u understand why i did it, and i dont know if anybody in the same situation would do it different, but thats another situation.) Im sorry if i should say that i make money when you join through my site, even if i was a employee working at the actual headquarter i would make money when you join, perhaps even more. The thing is that the money i make got nothing to do with the money you make the way camcity work right now, its not your share or anything like this and you wont make more money joining directly, so it wont change for you if you join with my link or direct link or whatever. But again sorry for the confusion and not being totally open about it.
So i would like to ask you loveshooks if you could close this thread?
Thing isnt and dont need to be going any further than this i think.
So it would be cool to close this thread and keep moving.
thanks
SarahTime
08-15-2012, 11:15 AM
Why should the thread be closed? Isn't the purpose of it to discuss camcity.com? Or do we need to open up a new thread similar to the "MFC Thread" and the "Streamate Thread" and the "Xpeeps Thread" the "AdultWork Thread".... lots of cam sites have dedicated threads, why is this any different?
Also...
Is the $25 per model sign up for agents recruiting still going on as well? Read about this on another forum last night... appears as though agents get $25 per girl and then 10%.
SarahTime
08-15-2012, 02:21 PM
I got this on my xpeeps account today:
"Looking good! I am a modeling agent looking for more cam models.
Many of our models only work a few hours a day to earn $4000-5000 a week and get paid weekly.
Go to -his agent link-
Simply fill out the form, provide the needed information and you will be approved within 24 hours!"
FIRST OFF. Many of your models make $4000-5000 weekly? LAUGH. MY. FUCKING. ASS. OFF. Seriously, the site has next to zero tipping members.
SECOND OFF. If you want a legitimate company that people are going to want to work for, STOP THE SPAMMING! Your "agents" are coming to other cam sites and trying to take models. I don't want your "agents" spam, Ben. Your "agents" are making your site look really bad.
UGHHHHHHHH.
ElianaIsis
08-15-2012, 02:39 PM
I agree with Sarah there is no valid reason to close the thread at all at least for the models' interest since we want to know who we are working with. The only reason to request this thread be closed is for your own self interest to not be fully transparent.
Honestly the only way I would even consider becoming a model on the site is if that extra 10% that goes to the agents was added to the model end when signing up directly through the site. I've already been a model long enough that signing up to a site is really not that hard and I don't need hand holding from some "agent". I'm also not willing to have someone else make money off of me for nothing in return.
So Ben you may want to consider if you really want more experienced models on your site to 60% to self registered models instead of this ridiculous agent system currently in place.