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lemiwinks31
07-03-2012, 09:05 AM
I kind of think Lovelyme, an ESCORT would know about being an escort more than you do.
No..no...no......
you didnt read his post........
HE SAW A SHOW ON TV. Do not question his authoritah on this matter.
anouk.oui
07-03-2012, 09:18 AM
What confuses me most about this thread is that it sets up, what is to me, a bizarre premise...that women shouldn't have sex unless they're being financially compensated or if they're in a 'committed relationship'. That leaves women with a sex drive who don't wish to be in a committed relationship or escort/get involved in sugar...where exactly?
Like shy1, I don't put too much stock in the opinions of those who'd like to make blanket generalizations for an idenifiable group (based on gender, social race, etc) but I'm also wondering why the sexuality of women is being singled out here. Both genders have sex for a multitude of reasons that differ from partner to partner, situation to situation (even with the same partner) so why is the focus and judgement always placed upon female sexuality? I know this question has been asked already a million times in the literature, but I felt it pertinent to raise the point.
People have sex for a million different (often intersecting) reasons... for pleasure, to feed one's ego, for a 'gain of' some sort (either financial or social) etc, etc, etc. This (what is to me) false construct of either getting paid in $$$$ or getting 'paid' in relationship status leaves out so much, for so many people. I have no desire to get paid for sex, it's not my thing, but up until I entered my current relationship I had no desire for a relationship either. Being a healthy human being with a sex drive, Paglia's construct wouldn't have given me any palatable options. I actually started my relationship as what I assumed would be a one-night-stand...we hooked up at a book store and were in bed a couple hours later after alot of laughing and wicked conversation. Like Will Smith in Six Degrees of Seperation I was having a fantastic time, and felt like adding something else fun (sex) into the mix. Had I not accidentally fallen in love and gotten 'committed' :-) many many months down the line, the essentials of that interaction would have remained the same. I had sex because I wanted to. For my own reasons. What I'm saying is that, provided one is comfortable with whatever reasons they choose ($$$$, fun, a committed relationship, what have you), what the hell is the problem? No one examines male sexuality on such a pathologically neurotic level in our society, so why should we allow anyone to infect our own desires with their monolithic theories?
OP, figure out what it is YOU want, and what makes you happiest over time. Theories are like asses, anyone can have them. If Paglia's construct works for you somehow, helping you set boundaries you feel you need, then great. If it doesn't fit, find one for yourself that suits you best. When you want to get paid, do it. When you want to have fun, do it. If you're troubled by 'unattached' sex, then figure out some boundaries that work for you when you're dating. You have the right to make your own decisions.
peace and $$$$ and good luck :)
oh my GOD! finally someones said it!! especially the first paragraph. yes okay this is stripperweb, we all work in the sex industry, but its a JOB! sure when i listen to idiocy coming from a man i find annoying and am not interested in yes i feel like in theory i should be compensated for my time, but since if im not at work, i have the choice to either pretend to enjoy his company and listen [depending on who he is] or walk away. im not gonna interrupt him halfway and be like "thats really sweet and all but if you open your mouth one more time im gonna have to charge you $360/hour"??
ive always been told on this site, at work, by coworkers etc to draw the line, leave your persona behind when you walk out the door. i dont want to go home to my great man or even mediocre man and charge him for listening, smiling, cooking and sex?
have we forgotten where to draw the line? my personal life is my personal life and i dont want my job to take away from the few things i find pleasurable.
okay i know most of this above rant has to do with promiscuous women but whatever makes them happy. if sleeping around made me happy [and it has in the past] then i would do it. or if i wanted to make money having sex i would become an escort. simple. i think the issue here is that some women are not very selective with who they sleep with and its their problem. if you arent attracted to the person, not dating, dont feel like it, then dont have sex. no one is forcing you. instead of wishing for compensation for casual/unattractive/unskilled sex partners, how about be selective and dont sleep with everyone. if you only sleep with the men you find attractive, who treats you nice and quite frankly you wanna fuck him, do it. theyre worth waiting for. i would much rather keep my legs closed and wait for someone who can really get me off than have sex several times a week with several different partners.
escorting is fine, i have no problem with it, but its not for everyone. lets not be condescending and judgemental towards the women who want to have sex without any financial compensation. i almost feel like im in a minority here because i dont expect anything other than [depending on the person and relationship] mutual trust, respect, chemistry and pleasure.
Think!
07-03-2012, 09:19 AM
No..no...no......
you didnt read his post........
HE SAW A SHOW ON TV. Do not question his authoritah on this matter.
Are you speaking from experience? Or, are you throwing in cutesy mindless one-syllabic one-liners because you don't have anything intelligent or worthwhile to contribute to this debate? Perhaps, with your 1,000 posts and your membership on this board since 2007, you would be willing to enlighten us? :)
tuesdaymarie
07-03-2012, 09:27 AM
I am not certain if it has to do with philosophy as much as it does with social class. Most escorts who exchange sex for money are from lower-income and working-class backgrounds. In contrast, girls or men who sleep around for 'fun' as you put it come from diverse social and cultural backgrounds. Hence, I don't subscribe to the notion that they are on 'philosophically equal footing,' and my argument is not premised on moral and ethical principles.
Uhhh... my philosophy comment wasn't directed at you and Lovelyme's little spinoff thread. Rather, it was directed at the OP... You know, because her thread is about the broader ideas here, not you and Lovely's battling POVs concerning the escort industry. The OP's problems originated when she read the words of a scholar on feminism/anti-feminism, so this thread is probably more about philosophy and its applications than much else.
Tuesday, sweetie "Think" does not think. He has no clue what he is talking about. If you're not in the community (escort, escort agency..etc) there is no way you will know how things really work on our end. It's all speculation.
When you call people "sweetie," it comes off as condescending, whether it's meant to or not.
I don't think this thread was just for people in the escort community. It's not called "Women who get paid for sex, do you think women should get paid for sex?" Rather, the OP was having a personal internal debate and wanted some opinions. I think that Thinks! referring to one documentary as his source for his argument is foolish because, as I said, documentaries generally come at subjects from one angle. Largely, any media coverage of the escort industry shows it in a negative light. Thus, my response wasn't so much an attempt to claim I have a broad understanding of your niche in the sex industry as it was to say that I could say an agency does the same things Think says it does but in a positive way.
lemiwinks31
07-03-2012, 09:29 AM
Are you speaking from experience? Or, are you throwing in cutesy mindless one-syllabic one-liners because you don't have anything intelligent or worthwhile to contribute to this debate? Perhaps, with your 1,000 posts and your membership on this board since 2007, you would be willing to enlighten us? :)
Sorry, I dont think i can enlighten you at this time. Because I havent seen any TV shows about it.
anouk.oui
07-03-2012, 09:32 AM
Uhhh... my philosophy comment wasn't directed at you and Lovelyme's little spinoff thread. Rather, it was directed at the OP... You know, because her thread is about the broader ideas here, not you and Lovely's battling POVs concerning the escort industry. The OP's problems originated when she read the words of a scholar on feminism/anti-feminism, so this thread is probably more about philosophy and its applications than much else.
When you call people "sweetie," it comes off as condescending, whether it's meant to or not.
I don't think this thread was just for people in the escort community. It's not called "Women who get paid for sex, do you think women should get paid for sex?" Rather, the OP was having a personal internal debate and wanted some opinions. I think that Thinks! referring to one documentary as his source for his argument is foolish because, as I said, documentaries generally come at subjects from one angle. Largely, any media coverage of the escort industry shows it in a negative light. Thus, my response wasn't so much an attempt to claim I have a broad understanding of your niche in the sex industry as it was to say that I could say an agency does the same things Think says it does but in a positive way.
SECONDED!
everything.
especially the doco thing. from my past experience in studying documentary making in depth in my film studies course several evidences and exercises point to the fact that documentaries are usually already biased because you are being presented something 'real' to justify the filmmakers passion and point of view. thats why so many documentaries on the same subject can be so different in presentation of opinion. think of it as debating or essay writing.
also the sweetie thing bugs me too can you stop that kthnx
cherryblossomsinspring
07-03-2012, 09:34 AM
Hey op SlutGoddess we discussed this before. Your question about "should" women get paid for sex doesn't really make sense to me because you said you did get paid for sex before through escorting. So why would you question this now like you're unsure of how this all works. Our back in forth in that post was mainly because you commented on something I said almost a year ago. Like you resurrected the thread. Here was what we discussed a few months back.....
Here was my quote post back in 05/2011 :
Ok I think both are the same, just one sounds nicer then the other. So a sexually liberal person is actually a slut. I don't see a difference here. If you're fucking random people whether it's because you had too much to drink or did too many drugs while wearing stripper type clothing then you're a slut. If you're wearing a business suit and you've fucked your boss, a few of your co workers and the mail man then you're still a slut. It doesn't matter to me what you wear , how you talk, or what your social standing is. If you're fucking around like it's a race then yes you're a slut.
I recall a little while back my ex and I getting into a heated debate on this topic. He held women in high regard that dressed in the latest designer wear and had expensive tastes but would put out like they were on a time line being drunk, sober or even high. The other women that dressed trashy and were looking forward to fucking him , he stubbed his nose at thinking that they probably had STd's . When I broke things down to him , he got upset because I was basically telling him that he didn't go up in class for fucking these women, they were still trashy ass women from the start regardless of what they drove or how much money they made per year.
Now the ones that put a price tag on their sexual encounters, well now those women my hat goes off to.
I wonder are all of these women truly getting off? How many men did they have to sleep with to find 1 that lasted long enough? Do they all come in 2 m-5 mins? If so then they may require less from a guy. I'm pretty sure many guys love sluts because they don't have to do much to get laid and what guy doesn't want to get laid with ease?
I do feel that some are not doing it because they truly enjoy sex but because they connect it to something else. Some have issues with connecting how many partners they have to how much they were loved or wanted. This I've seen is a growing problem. Guys benefit from getting over on these women with low self esteem and listening to my ex's sexual stories with these women seemed great. But after i dug alittle deeper the truth about being raped or molested surfaced which brought to light their sexual behavior.
There's also the power play feature as well. Many women feel empowered to take a a man to bed and fuck him and feel yeah I did that. I recall my ex's partner was the biggest slut i've heard of. She would fuck or suck atleast 3-4 guys a week and talk about it like a typical guy would. Even my ex thought she was gross which I thought to be odd because I'm pretty sure prior to our relationship he was doing the same thing.
The double standard sucks but I think it's also because in sex women do have much more to loose then some juices. If she gets pregnant it's abortion or it's having the child. There really isn't another way of looking at it. So if a woman goes out and doesn't actually worry about this or is ok with having Daddy A , B and C. then fine . But I wouldn't want to fuck someone that doesn't want me , only to have a child that grows up knowing that they were an accident or a mistake in some way. I would feel heart broken if my child ever felt that way.
I like when men try. If you're a slut they don't really have to work hard at anything. And what man really values something that's easy? Most don't. So I like a man to break his neck trying to get my attention , showing me that he's putting the work in and doesn't feel he's just going to get laid just because I have a hole somewhere down there.
Also if sex was viewed exactly the same by both men and women... most of us wouldn't have jobs at all. There would be no need to go to SC, Webcam, Hookers, Escorts Phone sex etc. He could just knock on the next door and say hey wanna fuck? Girl's response would be sure I'm ready let's do it.
Guys that typically get laid with ease do get bored. That's when you see them trying to raise the bar and go for a woman that shuts them down. They keep trying and trying to get in this woman's pants. You would think now why would he do that when he could easily find a slut that will fuck him all day? Because some men still like the hunt , the chase and the challenge.
So whether you're doing it just to do it or because you come as fast as a man does then hell more power to you! Just please be careful, protect yourself from std's and unwanted children. If you're getting paid ie Whore. prostitute, escort.. Great! Get your money!
My motto is why give something away for free that you can sell? But others may feel being generous is even better. So everyone will do what everyone will do . There's no wrong way or right way. It's just YOUR WAY OR MY WAY.
AND HERE'S YOURS: 04/2012
Why give it up when you can sell it? Are you aware that prostitution and "escorting" are ILLEGAL??
I have done both slept around and fucked for money. I prefer sleeping around. For one thing I feel safer. I'm not gonna get arrested, I'm not doing it with a perfect stranger who could be a cop or a brutal rapist or deliberately trying to give me AIDS or something. Another thing is when you're getting paid you're expected to do the work whereas when you're sleeping around you can just lay back and enjoy it, but if you choose to put in work the guys really really appreciate it. Another thing about sleeping around is that you can choose people regardless of income, just based on their looks or swag. When you're selling sex all you're thinking about is how much money the guy has. He could look ugly or be old or something but if he has money you're gonna do it. Meanwhile if you fuck for free you can pick a guy who may not have much money but who's hot, older but not too old, virile, and manly.
Yes I'm a slut and a whore. And I'm proud of it. But I'm more proud to be a slut than a whore. And I'm better able to explain why.
I don't believe in the 1950s rules, playing games, and repressing my desires just to please a man.
Also you say guys like the hunt and don't respect that which comes easy to them. What about gay men?? They get it whenever they want. But they respect each other. That is as it should be.
THEN I SAID:
Whoa a resurrected thead:) Nice.
Ok Yes I know paying for sex is illegal but we do have a whole part of this forum about those activities right. Guess you can't get locked up if you don't get caught.
I'm not an escort but more power to the ones that can get paid to do it.
Now the whole gay men thing? Come on now. They are men. Men of either orientation are still men and they are given pats on the back for getting that ass whether it be behind some balls or a vagina. They say gay men have more sex because it's easy to find willing partners. Straight men not so much. Why would gay men loose respect for one another? They are probably giving each other pats on the ass for them both getting laid.
Now the 1950 rules , playing games repressing desires again you may not think like the 1950's but if men still didn't see women the way they do NONE OF US WOULD HAVE JOBS. See how that happens. Men seek out vagina in all forms and are willing to pay for a dance, a glance and a chance. I didn't make the rules I'm just playing by them.
We're in the women's sexual liberation time frame but is that hook up going to cover your obgyn appt when he slips his dick in your back hole by mistake? Oooh no? How about condoms? You buying those too? What happens when you get knocked up? You paying for the Plan B or paying for that abortion? Sounds really fuck-ing costly to me. Ohh and what does the guy loose out on? Some sleep? Psssh. pleasssssse. Sex is a job not an adventure and the more women get tired of pulling unwanted babies out of their ass, dealing with another infection from some sex act gone wrong with the "sex buddy" they will rethink if it's better to double up on some AA batteries and get shit done the easy way.
Fact: Women can catch STI's and STD's easier and faster then men can , just by the way we're built internally.
Fact: You can pick 30 men to fuck and maybe 5 may know what they are doing. Maybe you have better odds than most women.
Fact: Only 25% of women get off through vaginal intercourse based on a comprehensive study spanning 80 years : This is regardless of the man's size, length of intercourse, or how she feels about the man in general. So wait a man's penis isn't really that necessary for an orgasm? Who knew lol. So why are so many women out there still fucking them for free? Maybe because even if it's not the 1950's ,society is still telling them they still need dick. Ohh and what's really bad about that? Well they are actually listening. Oh well...
Fact : 5% of women don't get off at all. Ouch! Guess what? These women are still having sex though. Maybe they should try camming ??
Not every woman is having sex because she is going for an amazing orgasm, they know it's not going to happen. Some just want to be held after the guy uses their body like pin cushions, others have issues wanting to reassure themselves that they are attractive and wanted and others are trying to experiment and find that guy that will make them pop for the first time. Sadly these last ones will go through alot of people before they find the right one. Others like being in a submissive role and will play out this fantasy of being controlled by a man. Some think that if they tell a man they want sex that they are some how in control even though they aren't getting off then either, others don't want to refuse the man, because "he may not call me" or if I don't sleep with him then he will not like me anymore etc etc there are all types of reasons but most of these women are not having these toe curling orgasms. They are just running through men being used but aren't getting a fee. Sex in most cases is never a fair exchange and mothers have been telling that to their daughters for time immemorial. How about we listen?
My point is there is more to loose than gain so ...
With all of that? Men got it made! Again what are the benefits of being a slut again? I still haven't heard that yet.
I want to get off easy, I don't want to BE EASY.
***Runs to find Hitachi wand*** ( no batteries needed) yes!
cherryblossomsinspring
07-03-2012, 09:34 AM
THEN YOU SAID:
So you support the double standard. Unbelievable.
First of all, I have orgasms each and every time I have sex, regardless of who the guy is. I have orgasms from vaginal intercourse exclusively as well as clitoral stimulation. For me those are two different types of orgasms. I don't get orgasms from vibrators or dildos. So what do you expect me to do?
It sounds like you want to make a living at the expense of other women who for one reason or another would rather make a living differently. They may be too old, too fat, more skilled at something else, etc. They may want to do it but find they're unable to. Everyone can enter the sex industry but few are able to make a lot of money. But yet you want them to repress themselves so you can make a living off of men. Well it's a myth that if all women had sex for free there would be no strippers or prostitutes. After all, there are GAY strippers, gay escorts, gay prostitutes, etc. So can you stop manipulating people to make money? Why not just live and let live?
Gay men are called faggots for having sex with men, so the whole notion that because they're men they'll get pats on the back is a fallacy. But assuming they don't: why can't women get pats on the back for getting laid same as men?? Why do they have to lose people's respect?
People like you are the reason why I can not venture out into the world without feeling fear and anguish and hearing voices. People like you are the reason why I starve myself to feel a sense of control over something. People like you are the reason why I have to forfeit the joy of motherhood, so my daughter won't have to suffer like I suffer. It's really sad that you can approach this so selfishly, not caring about how it impacts other people.
After I read "How Many Cocks Have You Had" I thought this was a forum of strippers but also of promiscuous women who could support each other like an online sorority. Boy was I naive.
Clearly it's a bad idea to prostitute or escort because it's illegal. Saying there are some who don't get caught doesn't take away from this fact. But now I have been brainwashed to believe that I can't be like Samantha from Sex and City and just fuck for fun, but that I have to get paid for it, which kinda sucks.
Not trying to sound unfriendly though :)
THEN i SAID :
If you really feel that these double standards are such a burden than you should quit taking money from sex industry work. I mean what's wrong with men for paying to see your naked body right? That's got to be dumb of them huh? Why pay when they can get a slut to fuck them for free? We really can't have it both ways and still bank in this industry.
I'll keep the double standards and make my money. Dick is really too easy to come by but money isn't. I'll take the cash. You can take the free dick. Sounds fair?
From what I've seen in the sex industry. Women may work and make money but for some reason many women do this rebound effect of giving their pussy away like it's going out of style. The problem with this is self worth. They feel they weren't worth the money and now have this desire to give back in "leg openings". I've seen it from some of my dancer friends in the past. Guy does something nice and they fuck him and they give the excuse of well he did x for me. Some small token of kindness that didn't require being on all fours but she jumps on him to "repay" him anyways.
Men still like the hunt. The ones they do the most , women generally make them work for it. It's like throwing meat in a lion's cage. Some will turn it down because they'll wonder who else has gotten it. Now he's thinking what is she trying to give him. Some men will use you but what's that? Who wants to be used like that? You may get off with every man but again do you really need dick that bad? Women are trying to hard too prove that they can be men. When he's pushing babies out of his cock or bleeding out it then maybe we'll be equal. I personally love the way things are. Keeps me employed because men will pay.
Again this industry only exists because men view us the way they do. You want to change that? Then quit now and go start marching topless down the streets of NYC. Btw being topless is legal but how many women do you see walking around this way? Go google it. It's the Law!
THEN YOU SAID:
Did you read what I last wrote? You don't have to make money off men at the expense of slutty women. After all there are GAY prostitutes, GAY escorts, gay strippers, gay porn stars etc. in spite of the fact that most gay men are promiscuous and will give it up for free!
I don't see giving it up for free as a matter of self-esteem. It's a matter of not wanting to break the law first of all. It's also a matter of not wanting to be raped, get AIDS, get beaten, or get robbed. But it's also a matter of knowing what you're good at. Not everyone is meant to be in the sex industry. Some people are meant to use their brains or other talents like artistic skills. Some women are too old, too fat, even too dark. Not everyone knows how to do pole tricks. Not everyone knows how to hustle. The sex industry is essentially sales work, which is why the amount of money one can make varies so greatly. Meanwhile, you can make 500k a year as an investment banker, 300k a year as a corporate lawyer, or you can work from home, or you can contribute something to society, etc. So if you'd rather do that then why should you repress yourself? Yes I'm really that horny and yes I really need dick that bad. I have slept with 46 guys mostly for free and I make no apologies about that.
Everyone knows stripping is a stepping stone to something else. Many of us are paying for school. We plan to do other things. I plan to be a freelance writer. I assume you plan to do something too, and you will have to, because nature will cruelly sweep you out of the game. So what are you gonna do once you're no longer getting paid for it? Masturbate? Be a good girl and settle down so that other women can get paid for it? I'm sure they'll thank you for your service, because this world really gives a damn. ;)
THEN I SAID:
What you think ugly ass gay men don't exist? If there are ugly ass straight men there are equally ugly ass gay men. I mean what does the man that's been married to a woman do when he wants to fuck a guy? Go to the local rainbow bar? Get real. He's getting a gay escort just like a married straight man will get a female escort.
You keep brining up gay men as if they are your role models or something. Again they are men. You say you may not want to catch AIDS but guess what? Your role models ie gay men are the highest among AIDS infections and many women are getting AIDS from gay men that appear to be straight with them. I guess we can call them closet cases or gay today or even down low.
Also on rape. Most of the women that are or raped have done so by people that were friends, family or just the guy that waves hello. It's called aquaintance rape and it goes unreported because the victim knows her predator. Even the girl that thought she was sexy in that short skirt was raped by the asshole that said " she was asking for it". Also you forgot the girls that get shit faced either on drugs or alcohol or both and get date raped. They blame themselves for being drunk or high so it generally goes unreported. Do I really need to go on with that? These acts of violence are not really about sex it's about power and dominance of the sexes.
Now you brought up not wanting to break the law yet you have whored out before so the last time I checked the law didn't change then and it still hasn't changed now. Again if you're going to give it up, best get something for it.
" Some women are too old, too fat, even too dark. Not everyone knows how to do pole tricks. Not everyone knows how to hustle. The sex industry is essentially sales work, which is why the amount of money one can make varies so greatly."
----Did you actually write that sober? Because I hope the hell half the site doesn't read it.
Too old, Too fat and even Too dark? Really? lol You forget how vast the sex industry really is and I've seen women under the BBW category bank , Dark women bank and some of these women that really put us all to shame have many of us by 20+ years.
Many women are not doing pole tricks and still bank. So it may be a sales industry but you are still selling YOU. Can't do that if you're not there and you sure as hell can't do it if men are not buying. Remember they need to value that slit between our legs as much as we do for it to be marketable. If we don't value it then we should pack it up and log the hell off.
I ALSO ADDED :
Continued...
You needing dick and sleeping with 46 men doesn't require an apology. I will apologize that you sucked in to the new bs trend under the guise of ( sexual equalty) which was really put in place by men to equal out women working and bring in their own money. Oops yeah if women are working as hard as men now, what do they need them for? If 70% of women don't need dick to get off, again what do they need men for? Guess men need to tell women dumb shit again that only a few will follow and now they'll get them paying for their in the bedroom fuck ups! Score! "Nope I didn't pay for that abortion and guess what? she fucked me again before her pussy healed, how cool is that?" "Nope she didn't get off but hell she's all liberated now so she's just doing it just to do it. Why am I going to turn that down?"
I don't recall ever requesting an apology from you. What you do with your pussy is really your business. I was mearly giving women who value themselves a ... "glad you didn't fall for the latest hype congrats". There will always be sluts in the world which is a cool balance. Because when guys get tired of fucking something every man can have they will want something maybe they can't.
My point was you can't bitch about the plight of inequality and then shove your pussy in a guy's face and tell him to pay for it. You want equality then go for it. No one is holding you back. Just don't be upset when you go topless and some guy pulls out his dick and starts rubbing it because he's still apparently caught in the 50's. I mean that's so unfair right? Ohh wait we can make him pay for it. Nah that wouldn't be equal huh?
Ohh and the future of what a woman does when she decides to hang up her gstring and stilletos is another thing. We all may venture out of the industry at some point but some women know how to reinvent themselves time and time again. They may make less or more but they still keep things fresh and guess what? They are no longer youngsters. I wish I could be that badass when I get to their age. Only time will tell.
Settling down? Do you not realize many women in the industry have children? They are able to do both and they aren't missing a beat.
Masturbation is making love to yourself. If you feel YOU are not good enough then I guess that brings us back to that self esteem comment.
As you see the industry as a stepping stone many of these men you are so dying to fuck for free will also see you as such. I guess we can all be grateful that better things are "a-head" for all of us, men and women alike.
As the old saying goes" if you are too free , you have nothing."
Now what I'm trying to figure out is why do you care what some women some where thinks? If you want to give your ass away then do it. No one is going to hold you back. If you want to get paid like you have in the past then do that too. But "should women get paid for sex" is like saying " should women get paid to cam?" , "should women get paid to strip?". It's an industry job that you've done yourself so I don't get the confusion in your post.
Think!
07-03-2012, 09:38 AM
Sorry, I dont think i can enlighten you at this time. Because I havent seen any TV shows about it.
Oh, no I was referring to your experiences besides TV Shows. I am sure you have many experiences you can draw upon to enlighten us. Otherwise, why would you make a smart alec remark?;D
lemiwinks31
07-03-2012, 09:39 AM
Now what I'm trying to figure out is why do you care what some woman somewhere thinks?
^
Yes, that was my thought on the original post as well.
anouk.oui
07-03-2012, 09:42 AM
i was gonna say this thread makes me wanna turn lesbian, but because of the multitude of pink responders being condescending and quite frankly talking out of their ass, where do i sign up to be asexual? i wonder if charlie would date me...
Think!
07-03-2012, 09:44 AM
I think that Thinks! referring to one documentary as his source for his argument is foolish because, as I said, documentaries generally come at subjects from one angle.
I am foolish, ignorant, and clueless and my only source is one documentary. This community is full of compliments. Why didn't I join this board earlier? :O
tuesdaymarie
07-03-2012, 09:52 AM
^You only referenced the documentary as your source for that opinion. If you've been in the field doing research on escorts for a decade, my apologies. However, yes, I think that taking a documentary for fact is foolish, but stating that opinion isn't a personal insult. Not sure why you're turning this thread into something so personal, but have at it.
Think!
07-03-2012, 10:14 AM
^You only referenced the documentary as your source for that opinion. If you've been in the field doing research on escorts for a decade, my apologies. However, yes, I think that taking a documentary for fact is foolish, but stating that opinion isn't a personal insult. Not sure why you're turning this thread into something so personal, but have at it.
Of course I will not disclose my sources. But to assume that I would post a comment based on one documentary is foolish.
Lovelyme
07-03-2012, 10:32 AM
Of course I will not disclose my sources. But to assume that I would post a comment based on one documentary is foolish.
This is coming from a guy that said all escorts are pimped/managed and that we come from low class families. YOU have no respect for sex workers in general - period. Puzzling - I don't understand what it is you are doing here. I mean you are so much better than us.
Now you are whining because you have made a fool out of yourself. Think, you can't watch a documentary or two and say the things you said. You should go back and read what you wrote to me. You clearly have been misinformed which is why I called you "ignorant".
sierra.
07-03-2012, 10:40 AM
I haven't read through this thread, but to respond to the OP- I have sex when I want with who I want and whether or not I get paid for it is nobody's business, but I will say that I've had plenty of random stranger sex for free and had a great fucking time. Anyone, man or woman, who wants to tell me I'm a "fool" for doing it a certain way and should be doing it another way can fuck off.
Think!
07-03-2012, 11:07 AM
This is coming from a guy that said all escorts are pimped/managed and that we come from low class families. YOU have no respect for sex workers in general - period. Puzzling - I don't understand what it is you are doing here. I mean you are so much better than us.
Now you are whining because you have made a fool out of yourself. Think, you can't watch a documentary or two and say the things you said. You should go back and read what you wrote to me. You clearly have been misinformed which is why I called you "ignorant".
This is turning into a Théâtre de l'absurde. Quote me in any of posts where I state "all escorts are pimped/managed."
Second, you have little or no understanding of the sociological concept of "social class" I am using otherwise you would not be making such accusatory comments. Again, quote me where I use the term "low class families." The fact is, you have an agenda. You are unable to engage in a meaningful dialogue and it is pointless for me continue this conversation. Read bell hooks for a change.
Kellydancer
07-03-2012, 11:18 AM
No..no...no......
you didnt read his post........
HE SAW A SHOW ON TV. Do not question his authoritah on this matter.
Oh I missed that. Yes then he definitely knows more about escorts than escorts themselves. Sort of like when I worked in radio and would meet people who listened to the radio, so they knew more than me.
Mr Hyde
07-03-2012, 03:56 PM
I think a woman should do whatever they want with their sexuality. Who cares what someone else thinks? If you want to give it away, fine. If you want to charge for it, great, and that should be legal.
It's your body and your will. Do whatever you want with it, no shame nor recriminations.
I agree with Camille. I have had sex for lots of $$$ on occasion. I think because I require a deep connection (and skill) to cum makes this easier. By nature I am extremely sexual, but discriminating. Probably the opposite of promiscuous.
What I have learned from my past boyfriends is that I need to look out for number 1. My mentality used to be that all the knowledge I have gained to manipulate for monetary purposes were to be used strictly on men in the club, and I refused to play games with men I dated/cared for. I would drop my guard completely. This in turn made me discover that I had grouped men into two categories and spliced my behavior, I was a very vulnerable yet predatory woman! The contradiction in my life left me so confused; I was powerful at work, weak at home. After leaving these relationships, the men had no clue what I had sacrificed for them. Money, time, power.. I submitted to them, thinking this is correct behavior because society taught me this was correct. Dancing was grouped into being "bad", sweet complying girlfriend was "good".
I no longer yearn for a relationship, I yearn for independence. In retrospect if I had not had these relationships I wouldn't be able to base Camille's theory off of them. I truly do believe a man needs to put in work and effort to have sex. To prove himself worthy, that in the future you can compromise/sacrifice because he truly cares. Until then it's fuck you pay me. although I do not sleep around, if I like a man, it can be easy to get me in bed. Not anymore. I'm fine with fucking myself until I TRUST someone enough to have sex.
As for women who need sex, then by all means have fun. I wouldn't agree with Camille that they are "promiscuous fools", but if every woman adopted this theory we would be a lot more rich
bem401
07-04-2012, 04:10 PM
First off, asking such a question on a website for sex workers and their customers is going to generate a predictable response. Secondly, every activity one engages in provides to them some benefit, whether it be financial, emotional, or even imaginary. If no other benefit is perceived, one ought to get paid for what they are engaging in. This is not limited strictly to situations sexual in nature. I'd say it applies across the board.
yoda57us
07-04-2012, 05:09 PM
Camille Paglia the abrasive anti-feminist/feminist scholar haunts me to this day. She thinks promiscuous women are fools and that women who express sexuality for money are goddesses, that women should only express their sexuality if they're getting paid for it or they're in a committed relationship.
It just makes me think I'll never be happy. I wish I had never heard of this woman. I wish the double standard didn't exist.
It makes me want to concede and forget about other sex positive jobs like Planned Parenthood and just go back to stripping so I can feel she respects me (even though I've never met her), that people are ok with me, .
What do you think of Camille?
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As a guy who counts several sex workers among some of his best and oldest friends I've spent many years listening to and being a sounding board for women who have had to contend with both the public image of what they do for a living and, more importantly, their self-image. The reality is that you can't live your life, no matter what you do for a living, to please someone else. Not your family, not your spouse or BF and most certainly not a total stranger who makes a living by espousing controversial opinions.
Camille Paglia is entitled to her opinion on what other people do with their lives-just as we all are... but, you know what they say about opinions right? This thread proves that you can pose the question to a dozen different people and get a dozen different answers. Some of the responses will resonate with you, some will piss you off, some will be pure gobbledegook and a few will leave you scratching your head with their irrelevance. In the end, you have to decide what works for you. Assimilate what you read or hear from others and talk about it with people you trust and who's opinions you respect but make your decidions based on what works for you, not for others.
I'm not, by the way, saying that this is easy but you have to be true to yourself. Living life "by the book" so to speak rarely works out. Remember the old expression: Life is what happens to you while you were making other plans.
Fridays
07-05-2012, 07:46 AM
long thread lol....
Ill keep this very short.
No mater how you think of sex.. as a need or pleasure, if a woman wants to offer it for money, she should have all the rights to.
Every other need and pleasure, in this universe is SOLD for money.
Need for food , pleasure for good food ( $50 small plate of food anyone?)
Need for transportation, pleasure for comfortable, luxury transportation.($20 K cars anyone?)
Need for sleep, pleasure for comfortable, better sleep ( $3k mattresses anyone?).
And so on......
If people cant see this, they;re PHONY!!!/ OR its due to cultural upbringing. Period.
Ok, edit cause I cant help it...
this movie that just came out.. Magic Mike.. oh, its all so much fun.. male strippers...
Watch the movie being about women strippers... oh, the controversy...
threlayer
07-05-2012, 08:46 AM
Most women who screw around, it seems to me, look down on escorts merely because the laws says it's illegal. That's their basic problem with it, even if they deny that specific reason; if it were not for that, many of them would be charging too, and relationships would probably be more honest.
CFMNH44
07-05-2012, 07:02 PM
This argument has been posed before in milder form as “Should stay-at-home-moms be paid?” (Or ‘calculating a value for their work’.) So just add sex to the mix of other tasks performed – cleaning, cooking, getting the kids ready for school, driving them to their activities, etc.)
Ultimately it comes down to finding a partner with the same sexual appetite as your own.
Not many wives would be as cool with hiring a prostitute as they would be hiring a house cleaner to do an unpleasant task… (Although there are a few that would say go ahead "It's less wear and tear on me"...)
Think!
07-05-2012, 08:18 PM
SECONDED!
everything.
especially the doco thing. from my past experience in studying documentary making in depth in my film studies course several evidences and exercises point to the fact that documentaries are usually already biased because you are being presented something 'real' to justify the filmmakers passion and point of view. thats why so many documentaries on the same subject can be so different in presentation of opinion. think of it as debating or essay writing.
also the sweetie thing bugs me too can you stop that kthnx
Of course documentaries represent a certain perspective and point of view. Are they biased? I would not use that term. Do they represent and portray a particular ideological point of view. Yes. Why is there always an assumption that documentaries are objective? They are not. Is there such a thing as objectivity? That is open to debate. Everything in our lives is ideological and political in nature. That is an inescapable fact. Should we dismiss documentaries because they are not objective? No. Why? Because we would be left with an extreme form of cultural and political relativism and left to live in a world where in words of Paul Feyerabend "anything goes.":P
yoda57us
07-05-2012, 08:36 PM
Of course documentaries represent a certain perspective and point of view. Are they biased? I would not use that term. I would.
Do they represent and portray a particular ideological point of view. Yes. Right, that's what makes them biased. They are biased toward that point of view.
Why is there always an assumption that documentaries are objective? They are not. Presence of bias does not mean a total lack of objectivity. You are assuming too much.
Is there such a thing as objectivity? That is open to debate. Yes there is and no, it's not.
Everything in our lives is ideological and political in nature. That is an inescapable fact. No it's not, there is nothing ideological or political about the lap dances I got last weekend. I'm a registered independent and she was a Brazilian who doesn't even vote in this country.
Should we dismiss documentaries because they are not objective? No. Why? Because we would be left with an extreme form of cultural and political relativism and left to live in a world where in words of Paul Feyerabend "anything goes.":P So you form your opinions and live your life based on what you see on television documentaries? That seems a bit limiting.
Think!
07-05-2012, 10:02 PM
So you form your opinions and live your life based on what you see on television documentaries? That seems a bit limiting.
When did I say I form my opinions and live my life based on what I observe on television? Nothing like that was implied in my statement. Documentaries are one of many sources that one makes an informed opinion about the social world. And, of course, lap dances are ideological and political in nature and I don't mean political as in belonging or representing a political party.Pfffttt.
yoda57us
07-06-2012, 11:40 AM
Pfffttt.
Would you care to expand on this?
Think!
07-06-2012, 12:07 PM
Would you care to expand on this?
You mean you understood the whole paragraph with the exception of the "pffftt" part? I think it is self-explanatory. Pfftttt! ;D
unbeleavable
07-06-2012, 12:36 PM
If your only form of education is a documentary, then you're not very educated!
Think!
07-06-2012, 12:46 PM
If your only form of education is a documentary, then you're not very educated!
I never said that nor was it ever implied. You are making too many assumptions about what others know and don't know. As a moderator, you should know better than that. This thread has already gone off on a tangent. :P
unbeleavable
07-06-2012, 01:00 PM
I never said that nor was it ever implied. You are making too many assumptions about what others know and don't know. As a moderator, you should know better than that. This thread has already gone off on a tangent. :P
I didn't quote you, why so defensive? You clearly know your way around escorts & the business of, no assumptions made.
Djoser
07-06-2012, 01:26 PM
I don't even know where to start with this one. I just tried to clean it up a bit, especially the last couple pages. I have left more questionable posts in than I ordinarily would have, in order to attempt to let people have their say. Also if you delete one post, you often have to go back and delete the post it was a reply to, and forward to delete the responses, and read and re-read the thread to see where the drama all started, and where do you draw the line?
I also ran out of time. I will try to come back and edit it some more later.
I have to say this, though. Criticizing a woman for fucking a lot of guys and not charging them for it is fucking insane. Though god knows a lot of promiscuous women are compensating for deep-seated insecurity and mental issues--just like the men so often are.
But of course the men are 'studs', and 'Players'. The women are 'sluts' and 'Hoes'. Therein lies the problem. This double standard seriously warps both sexes' ideas about what is right and wrong about fucking a lot of people.
I am not saying I will never pay for sex--who knows, maybe someday I will? But I'll be damned if I will give any woman the time of day who thinks I should always pay any woman for sex just because I don't have a vagina. They really aren't made of gold, they are made of the same basic kinds of tissues and nerve cells and blood vessels as my fucking dick. There ain't nothing inferior about my dick to any vagina in the entire fucking world.
Lest you think I am being arrogant, I didn't say my dick made me superior, as so many women will say about their fucking vaginas...
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:
But seriously, what the hell do I care if hordes of insecure men will fall all over themselves and debase themselves and pay every time for a little bit of vagina? I'm supposed to get in line for that shit as well? I don't think so.
OK, carry on. Please be civil.
Think!
07-06-2012, 01:36 PM
I didn't quote you, why so defensive? You clearly know your way around escorts & the business of, no assumptions made.
More than you would think. But that's besides the point. The point is that most threads in the lounge I have participated in are more about a few members bullying, intimidating and berating others who don't agree with their point of view than it is about having respectful and meaningful dialogue. There is a gang mentality on this board that even moderators unhesitatingly participate in. More disturbing is how some members deliberately misinterpret arguments made on this thread. A case in point is when I expressed that most escorts are 'managed.' Lo and behold, I was attacked and accused by some member of making a statement that all escorts are managed. If anyone cares to go back and read the post, they will see that is far from the truth. One example I chose to share was the documentary Client 9 to make a point that most high-end escorts are not independent, if by independent we mean that they schedule their own appointments, drive themselves to their clients, and take security and screening measures in their own hands. Next, you have a few members including two moderators making the assumption that the documentary I decided to use as an example is the only source of my information. In the end, what we are left with is a few senior board members questioning and interrogating a board member because they are new they believe their views have no value, or because it does not represent the 'official view' expressed by a few senior 'know-it-all' board members. But to answer your question: no I am not defensive at all. In fact, I find it quite amusing. ;D
yoda57us
07-06-2012, 01:49 PM
You mean you understood the whole paragraph with the exception of the "pffftt" part? I think it is self-explanatory. Pfftttt! ;D
Why would you think that I wouldn't understand the paragraph? English is my first language. I my not agree with what you said but I am choosing not to debate the rest of the paragraph, only the last poorly constructed sentence. As I said, would you care to elaborate?
Think!
07-06-2012, 02:11 PM
Why would you think that I wouldn't understand the paragraph? English is my first language. I my not agree with what you said but I am choosing not to debate the rest of the paragraph, only the last poorly constructed sentence. As I said, would you care to elaborate?
It's not worth our time to engage in a meaningless melodramatic chest beating contest to get one's point across. I prefer to remain humble than the arrogant persona some like to project. ;D
yoda57us
07-06-2012, 05:07 PM
It's not worth our time to engage in a meaningless melodramatic chest beating contest to get one's point across. I prefer to remain humble than the arrogant persona some like to project. ;D
Interesting since you are projecting a fair amount of arrogance in these posts. OK, fair enough, if you don't want to elaborate you certainly don't have to...
Think!
07-06-2012, 06:00 PM
Interesting since you are projecting a fair amount of arrogance in these posts. OK, fair enough, if you don't want to elaborate you certainly don't have to...
You are confusing arrogance with confidence.
Lovelyme
07-06-2012, 06:06 PM
Interesting since you are projecting a fair amount of arrogance in these posts. OK, fair enough, if you don't want to elaborate you certainly don't have to...
Amen. Nuff said.
"Confidence", Think!? Should we go back a page or two where you where whining about being picked on? Please! You clearly have issues.
yoda57us
07-06-2012, 06:08 PM
You are confusing arrogance with confidence.
No, I'm reading your posts and forming an opinion. That's what we do here...
Think!
07-06-2012, 07:42 PM
Amen. Nuff said.
"Confidence", Think!? Should we go back a page or two where you where whining about being picked on? Please! You clearly have issues.
Whining? Hardly. Legitimate complaint? Absolutely. Issues? Zero. When I signed up on this board, I was immediately accused of being someone who was banned simply because I disagreed with their views on education and immigration. This time, I have been told I have issues. One has to wonder why there are even board rules here, or who they are intended for, especially when senior board members including moderators who I believe should moderate more than becoming deeply involved in debates, don't abide by those rules.
Lovelyme, you don't have a leg to stand on, and as a board bully it is easier for you to engage in character assassination by labeling me as a member with 'issues' than it is to engage in a debate. Why? Because board bullies like yourself believe that a discussion on an internet board has to involve winners and losers, and by flexing your muscles, and being more vocal about your position than anyone else, especially if you have been a long-term board member, carries more weigh than the counterexamples presented by others. It is no wonder why so many board members refuse to participate in board discussions and are intimidated to express their opinions out of fear that at any moment an established or so-called senior member will lash out against them, in effect, silencing them.
Two days ago, I asked the moderator of this thread to delete my account and delete all my posts because I see no reason to participate on a board where a few spiteful, angry, self-righteous intolerant members hijack or dictate which directions the thread should head towards, and often as we have observed, they go off on a tangent. Initially, when I joined this board, I was naive and believed that the topics under debate were worthy of my time to participate in, and members were genuinely interested in engaging in a dialogue. Now, my views have changed. I am a respected member on other boards with the same handle, and I see not reason to continue with anymore board brawls than I already have. Good day.
yoda57us
07-06-2012, 08:09 PM
Two days ago, I asked the moderator of this thread to delete my account and delete all my posts because I see no reason to participate on a board where a few spiteful, angry, self-righteous intolerant members hijack or dictate which directions the thread should head towards, and often as we have observed, they go off on a tangent. Initially, when I joined this board, I was naive and believed that the topics under debate were worthy of my time to participate in, and members were genuinely interested in engaging in a dialogue. Now, my views have changed. I am a respected member on other boards with the same handle, and I see not reason to continue with anymore board brawls than I already have. Good day.
And why are you still here? No one is forcing you to post. If you don't like the board, the members or the moderators you are absolutely free to log-off of Stripper web and never return.
Demanding that your account be deleted is just another ego-maniacal attempt at you displaying a superiority complex. Just go already!
Aurora_Sunset
07-06-2012, 08:40 PM
especially if you have been a long-term board member, carries more weigh than the counterexamples presented by others. It is no wonder why so many board members refuse to participate in board discussions and are intimidated to express their opinions out of fear that at any moment an established or so-called senior member will lash out against them, in effect, silencing them.
Not to add to the drama, but the reason why long-term members' views tend to carry more weight, and newer members are "attacked," is because long-term members have proven themselves. It's not about seniority or number of posts - it's about showing that you have a leg to stand on to support your views. Lovelyme is an escort, and admits she's an escort. So when she speaks on escort issues, people here listen to her more. You, on the other hand, have done nothing but make vague references to how you "know more than we could guess" about the escorting world. Look, you either know your shit from experience and you're willing to just SAY that and offer up where you get your info from, or you don't. Either prove yourself or be prepared to be "bullied" by others who think you're full of it. You're an anonymous screen name on the internet - nobody is going to take anything you say seriously if you can't even admit to anything real about yourself. Playing cutesy word games about your vague sources doesn't impress anyone - offer up your real-world experience or don't be so shocked when nobody thinks you actually know anything.
Aurora_Sunset
07-06-2012, 08:49 PM
To answer the actual OP question, I think women should get paid for sex if they want to get paid for sex. Those who want to charge for it, should do so. But I don't think women who don't are fools. I think that women who don't charge for it and just give it away, not because they actually want sex for themselves, but see it as something to be given for attention to feed their low self-esteem are fools. But at the end of the day, I guess it's not really my business either way what anybody's reasons are for anything involving their own body.
Sometimes, it is hard for me to see promiscuous women who aren't getting paid and not judge them for it. 1) Working in this industry, it tends to instill in you an automatic $$ calculation for anything sexual you do for a guy. It's really hard to look at an interaction between a man and woman where the woman isn't getting paid and not instantly think to yourself "Damn, she could be making $X if she was charging him!" And 2) I think promiscuous women and sex workers are looked at in the same sort of way by outsiders: That is, when you're viewing them as a group and from your limited interactions with them, it's really easy to say that a lot of women are sleeping around out of desperation for attention, so you just assume that's how everyone who sleeps around is... just like some people see a lot of cracked-out strippers with issues, so they assume we're all like that... but we know that isn't true, so I try to remind myself not to make snap-judgments on the girls I see "ho-ing it up" for free in the bars.
ArmySGT.
07-06-2012, 10:43 PM
Whining? Hardly. Quite a lot really, over multiple posts; if someone was paying for this, we would call it the GFE.
Legitimate complaint? Absolutely. Issues? Zero. Complaints? Willful participation negates the proposed complaint. Issues? Persecution complex, for starters; some inferiority issues (Daddy?) when your POV is not accepted. Outbursts with some youthful issues with self-control. That is youth though.
When I signed up on this board, I was immediately accused of being someone who was banned simply because I disagreed with their views on education and immigration. I figured you for a sock puppet, however I am inclined to agree with others. This is not your first go around with this community. You spend too much time talking about the rules, and you know the Members to well……. Stumbled across this site for politics and relationship advice, really? However, not interested in the Strippers, well except as someone to be confrontational with. Of course, I can believe in stumbling across Stripperweb because of a non-sexual purpose, I myself came because of links to Electronic music. Really Strippers are the show case though, not the music, or the politics. The banter can be quite engaging.
This time, I have been told I have issues. One has to wonder why there are even board rules here, or who they are intended for, especially when senior board members including moderators who I believe should moderate more than becoming deeply involved in debates, don't abide by those rules. See here is your misinterpretation of the rules. Your barely tolerated here as am I. You are not a Stripper. I am not a Stripper. I don’t work in the sex industry, and a sex industry documentary viewing marathon is not really going to give you a credible viewpoint as far as the actual sex industry workers here. The rules are for the Sex industry workers, not the gawkers. Your participation can actually (and has) been terminated without cause.
What do non-industry males do here? Mostly audience participation. The Strippers ask us, and we reply. Is this music ok? What is a good lap dance? What is it we want to be entertained by, and in what manner? Etc. etc. Essentially, the Ladies ask us and we tell them how to better take our money. Win, Win, as each half comes away feeling for the most part like they made a fair exchange. We act as a sounding board to go over ideas, so as to facilitate a better money making night for the Strippers.
Lovelyme, you don't have a leg to stand on, and as a board bully it is easier for you to engage in character assassination by labeling me as a member with 'issues' than it is to engage in a debate. This is where I usually step aside. A remark like that often calls up the hydra attack. If you thought the replies to your vulgar presumptuous arrogance had called forth a backlash before.
Try this again. Strippers and Escorts have their differences, however one place they do agree, if a non-industry male makes an attack on either, it is an attack on sex workers as a community.
The clock is ticking.
Why? Because board bullies like yourself believe that a discussion on an internet board has to involve winners and losers, and by flexing your muscles, and being more vocal about your position than anyone else, especially if you have been a long-term board member, carries more weigh than the counterexamples presented by others. It is no wonder why so many board members refuse to participate in board discussions and are intimidated to express their opinions out of fear that at any moment an established or so-called senior member will lash out against them, in effect, silencing them. That persecution complex of yours is pretty ugly.
Actually, there are many reasons for why or why not Members participate. It is night as I post this here in the US, a lot of Members are working. A lot of threads could be stopped before they start if newbies would simply acquaint themselves with the search feature. The Members who have been here for years have grown tired of repeating advice given to each new crop of baby strippers disgorged onto the market every summer. Lastly let’s face it times are bad, and competition is fierce, help could well cost someone a portion of their income. Sad on a support site, but we have to be real about motivations. Alot don't read or post outside of their favorite board. It is presumptuous indeed to believe you have the pulse on how a few thousand Member choose to participate.
Two days ago, I asked the moderator of this thread to delete my account and delete all my posts because I see no reason to participate on a board where a few spiteful, angry, self-righteous intolerant members hijack or dictate which directions the thread should head towards, and often as we have observed, they go off on a tangent. Initially, when I joined this board, I was naive and believed that the topics under debate were worthy of my time to participate in, and members were genuinely interested in engaging in a dialogue.
Why should anyone else accommodate your big, big show departure? You can delete your own posts (search feature by right click on your screen name) and you can delete your own profile. It is a feature of your profile. Available anytime.
Just spare us one thing, be the first to make a dramatic vegas showgirl exit; then not make a new profile to read and respond to the commentary on said exit.
Want to be the big girl here? Do that.
Now, my views have changed. I am a respected member on other boards with the same handle, and I see not reason to continue with anymore board brawls than I already have. Good day. Meh, we will see.
Merry go round, anyone?
threlayer
07-07-2012, 11:49 AM
I don't think women (or men) getting paid for sex is an ideal thing at all.
In my unattainable ideal world, people would get married to have kids. Before that or if kids are not in your future, have sex with people you can and do respect, are friends with, and have that 'chemistry' with. If they were really friends, you would not jeapordize their marriage or whatever. As friends, if they really do need help with their finances (and they do work for their own pay), then help them out, and expect that help to be mutual if you need help finaicnally. Or for that matter, moving furniture, babysitting the dog, whatever.
I would like to feel I have the freedom to f/suck any single woman that fits that category, and I just don't like the idea of play for pay. Dolphins don't do it, and I don't like it either.
That being said, if a woman has a very interesting specialty service that I cannot get somewhere else, I might be tempted to pay for her services. I just don't know any women I can have sex with who is unwilling to do what I like, or visa-versa.
cherryblossomsinspring
07-07-2012, 01:50 PM
I don't think women (or men) getting paid for sex is an ideal thing at all.
In my unattainable ideal world, people would get married to have kids. Before that or if kids are not in your future, have sex with people you can and do respect, are friends with, and have that 'chemistry' with. If they were really friends, you would not jeapordize their marriage or whatever. As friends, if they really do need help with their finances (and they do work for their own pay), then help them out, and expect that help to be mutual if you need help finaicnally. Or for that matter, moving furniture, babysitting the dog, whatever.
I would like to feel I have the freedom to f/suck any single woman that fits that category, and I just don't like the idea of play for pay. Dolphins don't do it, and I don't like it either.
That being said, if a woman has a very interesting specialty service that I cannot get somewhere else, I might be tempted to pay for her services. I just don't know any women I can have sex with who is unwilling to do what I like, or visa-versa.
Fact: Male Dolphins have been known to separate female dolphins from their families and deny them food until they agree to mate.
So umm yeah looks like they do. But I doubt anyone here is going to trade ass for a can of sardines. Then again maybe someone will for chicken mc nuggets.
Djoser
07-07-2012, 08:11 PM
If people are hungry enough they will do it, it is true. The Visigoths were selling their own children to the Romans for dead dogs, shortly before the battle of Adrianople.
Think!
07-08-2012, 01:16 PM
Not to add to the drama, but the reason why long-term members' views tend to carry more weight, and newer members are "attacked," is because long-term members have proven themselves. It's not about seniority or number of posts - it's about showing that you have a leg to stand on to support your views. Lovelyme is an escort, and admits she's an escort. So when she speaks on escort issues, people here listen to her more. You, on the other hand, have done nothing but make vague references to how you "know more than we could guess" about the escorting world. Look, you either know your shit from experience and you're willing to just SAY that and offer up where you get your info from, or you don't. Either prove yourself or be prepared to be "bullied" by others who think you're full of it. You're an anonymous screen name on the internet - nobody is going to take anything you say seriously if you can't even admit to anything real about yourself. Playing cutesy word games about your vague sources doesn't impress anyone - offer up your real-world experience or don't be so shocked when nobody thinks you actually know anything.
No, I will not admit to any illegal activities nor should anyone else be forced or encouraged. Did you expect me to publicly post names, dates, places, and activities, etc? How have others proven themselves? Although from time to time there are discussions about escorts on this site, my understanding is that this is primarily a board dedicated to dancers not escorts.
I have never said, “I know more.” All I expressed was an opinion based on various sources including, documentaries, personal experiences, journal articles, and informal off-the–record discussions with escorts and dancers about the sex industry.
Whether Lovelyme is an escort or not is beside the point. At this time, I have no interest in verifying that by searching for her escort site, if she has one. I am not challenging her authority or expertise as an escort. She has opinions based on her experiences as an escort; I have mine. It’s that simple.
A public debate is not about who has more credibility, or about flashing one’s escorting credentials or expertise. Anyone between the age twenty-one and ninety-nine should be able to express their opinions about social issues. You don’t have to be a politician or a political theorist to express a political opinion or to vote for a political party. True, this is an anonymous community, and for good reason. Admitting to something when trust and safety have yet to be established with board members is categorically inadvisable.
Finally, I object to your use of the word ‘cutesy word games’ to describe the content of my posts. If there is no smiley face included with the content of my posts, rest assured that there is nothing cutesy about them.