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BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 07:28 AM
Got this from Yelp, not directly related but I felt it was relevant and I kind of agree with it.

"Ages 15 to 19: The chart starts at age 15. Here women are at an access level of 8, which means they can pretty much do whatever they want whenever they want. By the time she's 19 and has a fake ID, she soars up to a 10 which means the world is her oyster. Your average man in this same category is lucky if he gets a blowjob from the ugly chick in 2nd period, and feels truly fortunate if he can keep a steady girlfriend and get laid on a semi regular basis.

Ages 20 to 25: Women are at their peak during most of this time, and even though their access starts to decline, it declines only because they themselves are being more selective while staging for marriage. Men during this time are steadily learning how to deal with women and are increasing their earning potential, so things are getting slowly better. Still, they haven't reached the level of access that their female counterparts have enjoyed since age 15.

Age 26 to 28: This is the start of the marriage zone. Women's clocks are ticking, and men have finally turned a job into a career. Though women's access is still at a very high 8, she notices the men around her have more choices. They've reached an access level of 7 and are steadily rising. Though she gets roughly the same amount of attention from men that she used to, she notices the men are far less likely to catch oneitis in her presence. Men are getting smarter and they have more options because of their increased access. She has to get him to commit as soon as possible before he realizes just how numerous his options really are.

Age 29 to 30: This is a superb time for men to be alive. The tables have now turned. She's finally learned that while finding dick takes very little effort, finding *committed* dick isn't as easy as she was told it would be. Even though she screwed up in the marriage zone and wasn't able to secure a partner, she's going to stay on the prowl and be "in it to win it".

Age 31 and up: As her sexual and marriage market value slowly decreases, so does her access to committed dick. Meanwhile, the men who were smart enough to avoid her in the marriage zone have a long and happy life ahead of them. Even at age 40 - if they are successful and have stayed in shape - these men can find a 28 year old woman to bear their children if they want. The men have nothing to lose. The women continue to slowly decline until they settle for a beta or convince themselves that being a career woman in Cougarville was really what they wanted all along.

After men avoid the marriage zone, their access soars. They can enjoy a series of fulfilling monogamous relationships with women who are on their best behavior since they're desperately trying to get married, and fill in the time in between these relationships by banging easy targets such as single mothers, divorcees, and rabid feminists who are second-guessing their decisions."

Naida
07-08-2012, 08:05 AM
Because mr 60 year old or whatever age should know better than to seek out a woman young enough to be his daughter. It's freakish and borderline pedophilia.

This line, right here. I seriously just went "Dafuq?" Normally, I would come up with something intelligent to say, but all I can do is sit here and wonder "How the fuck does a man dating a 40-year-old woman come anywhere close to pedophilia?" Last I checked, 40 was a grown as woman while chomos are into that prepubescent shit.

BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 08:14 AM
This line, right here. I seriously just went "Dafuq?" Normally, I would come up with something intelligent to say, but all I can do is sit here and wonder "How the fuck does a man dating a 40-year-old woman come anywhere close to pedophilia?" Last I checked, 40 was a grown as woman while chomos are into that prepubescent shit.

I dont see any problem as long as the girl is 18+ all good.

Well
07-08-2012, 08:56 AM
Also, it is extremely rude when men look at other women while out with one. Luckily I haven't had a guy do that to me, but have had guys check me out while with another woman. It just puts them in the creepy category.

I have seen women look at other guys while being with their boyfriend/nubby. I don't think it's a gender thing.

yoda57us
07-08-2012, 09:13 AM
There's some interesting conversation here but it's clear that none of you folks are over 40. There is a big world of what I call "2nd rounders" out there, including myself, and I can tell you that the criteria among both men and women is very different from what is being talked about here. For me, 2nd rounders are folks who have been married before or had a very long term SO, probably already have kids and are moving into a new phase of their life. I don't recall worrying about fertile eggs or breast size even when I was in my 20's but I'm definitely not thinking about it now. Age changes a lot of things. I'm almost 55 now and I regularly date women who are fifteen to twenty years younger than I am. That's not weird (at least not to them or me) when we are talking about women in their mid to late 30's. If I was 40 it would feel weird to me to be seeing a woman who was twenty.

Expert opinions not withstanding, not everyone is looking for the same thing...

Well
07-08-2012, 09:51 AM
Most women in their 40's and up don't want children. it is not raising kids and if a woman is above 50 it's unlikely to happen. Also there is an increased risk having children beyond a certain age. Men want younger children because they are more likely wanting kids. Most women have children by the age of 30 and up. I am being conversative here btw. This is why guys go for younger. The younger the woman the more likely she wants children and are able to. Most men want children of their own if they don't have any.
Ugly men can date attractive women and obese/overweight can date attractive women and that's with not having a lot of money. I have seen some ugly dudes with real hot women. I can tell by the way they dress they don't have that much money.
There are cougars now. Much older women dating much younger men. I don't think it's a bad thing as long both parties are happy and know what they want. Frankly it is not business who dates whom for whatever reason. I don't know their situation or even the person so how can I judge someone?
I have been obese, 220 lbs, 5'6" yet I had younger women trying to date me. It was because I was working out but once I moved and slowed down it came to a stop. I was mostly interested in dating older women but I changed my mind. Older women tend to be more bossy in my experience. I prefer physically active women, I love to bike. The ones I met aren't so physically active. The only real benefit was that she had her own money so I didn't have to treat her all the time.

jekka
07-08-2012, 10:04 AM
Got this from Yelp, not directly related but I felt it was relevant and I kind of agree with it.

"Ages 15 to 19: The chart starts at age 15. Here women are at an access level of 8, which means they can pretty much do whatever they want whenever they want. By the time she's 19 and has a fake ID, she soars up to a 10 which means the world is her oyster. Your average man in this same category is lucky if he gets a blowjob from the ugly chick in 2nd period, and feels truly fortunate if he can keep a steady girlfriend and get laid on a semi regular basis.

Ages 20 to 25: Women are at their peak during most of this time, and even though their access starts to decline, it declines only because they themselves are being more selective while staging for marriage. Men during this time are steadily learning how to deal with women and are increasing their earning potential, so things are getting slowly better. Still, they haven't reached the level of access that their female counterparts have enjoyed since age 15.

Age 26 to 28: This is the start of the marriage zone. Women's clocks are ticking, and men have finally turned a job into a career. Though women's access is still at a very high 8, she notices the men around her have more choices. They've reached an access level of 7 and are steadily rising. Though she gets roughly the same amount of attention from men that she used to, she notices the men are far less likely to catch oneitis in her presence. Men are getting smarter and they have more options because of their increased access. She has to get him to commit as soon as possible before he realizes just how numerous his options really are.

Age 29 to 30: This is a superb time for men to be alive. The tables have now turned. She's finally learned that while finding dick takes very little effort, finding *committed* dick isn't as easy as she was told it would be. Even though she screwed up in the marriage zone and wasn't able to secure a partner, she's going to stay on the prowl and be "in it to win it".

Age 31 and up: As her sexual and marriage market value slowly decreases, so does her access to committed dick. Meanwhile, the men who were smart enough to avoid her in the marriage zone have a long and happy life ahead of them. Even at age 40 - if they are successful and have stayed in shape - these men can find a 28 year old woman to bear their children if they want. The men have nothing to lose. The women continue to slowly decline until they settle for a beta or convince themselves that being a career woman in Cougarville was really what they wanted all along.

After men avoid the marriage zone, their access soars. They can enjoy a series of fulfilling monogamous relationships with women who are on their best behavior since they're desperately trying to get married, and fill in the time in between these relationships by banging easy targets such as single mothers, divorcees, and rabid feminists who are second-guessing their decisions."

This is why I am so thankful to the medical communtiy for offering artificial insemination and in vitro fertilization using anonymous donor sperm.

Well
07-08-2012, 10:06 AM
Actually next older man who asks me out I will go out with and I will use him. That will serve him right. If more women used these older freaks I think they would realize how delusional they truly are. What would a woman have in common with a man much older? nothing.


Actually my sister is 14 years older than her hubby. When my sister first told me I didn't agree with their relationship. However I told her that I respected her decision. She is old enough to be an adult and educated. Once I met him I really liked him and changed my mind. My parents still don't agree with their marriage that much. My aunt on the other hand really adores him. At first she didn't like their marriage either. But this summer my sister's family with my parents stayed over at my aunt. She told me she changed my mind. They have a lot in common. They talk about a lot of things.
Seems to me you are taking things personally. We all get old. We all want different things. Using people is just plain wrong. You will get a bad reputation. You will make women look bad and even worse you will give strippers a bad name. In the end you will only hurt yourself more than you hurt others. I would think twice doing such a thing.

So using men to teach them a lesson makes you a better lesson?

whirlerz
07-08-2012, 10:07 AM
This instantly made me think of James Packer and Erica Baxter however he also has a net worth of Australian $5.2 billion so that's probably another big factor in their relationship.

31044

She's pretty, but wtf is on her head looks wrong..

ArmySGT.
07-08-2012, 10:25 AM
She's pretty, but wtf is on her head looks wrong..

I think she is a vegetarian, only herbivores have eyes that far apart.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 10:47 AM
Ill be honest, looks are important to me.

After all, I need to be attracted to the girl if I am going to be doing things with her, intimate and non intimate.

Sure they say its whats on the inside that counts, and thats true to an extent.

On the 1-10 rating scale, I give myself a 6 or 7. I aint butt ugly but I aint handsome either. I ask most of my friends to be honest with me and they say 7 to 7.5. Thats after I got my rhinoplasty.

I only had one girlfriend my entire life and she was a 10. So if your a dude and your not incredibly ugly/deformed/nasty...you have a chance at getting a good looking girl. But again girls tend expire quicker...by 30 they are almost done. I know thats gonna sound stupid to most but imo thats how I see it...doesnt mean they cant still be attractive to men but they definately wont turn as many heads as they used to. Most dudes like young women...not older ones. But in society it seems older man can still be attractive...wrinkles are defined and graying hair or salt & pepper look is dignified. Its because women are held to such high standards ie have flawless wrinkle free skin, non saggy breast, no graying hair, etc. With men...its just not as expected so we have some lee way. (I know spelled that wrong). But if a dude is bald, fat, and repulsive...well then is bald, fat, and repulsive...there is no escaping that.

No a woman isn't "expired" by 30. There are plenty of women here older than that who still make a lot dancing. Men are held to standards as well, but too often women are in far better shape than the men.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 10:49 AM
Most women in their 40's and up don't want children. it is not raising kids and if a woman is above 50 it's unlikely to happen. Also there is an increased risk having children beyond a certain age. Men want younger children because they are more likely wanting kids. Most women have children by the age of 30 and up. I am being conversative here btw. This is why guys go for younger. The younger the woman the more likely she wants children and are able to. Most men want children of their own if they don't have any.
Ugly men can date attractive women and obese/overweight can date attractive women and that's with not having a lot of money. I have seen some ugly dudes with real hot women. I can tell by the way they dress they don't have that much money.
There are cougars now. Much older women dating much younger men. I don't think it's a bad thing as long both parties are happy and know what they want. Frankly it is not business who dates whom for whatever reason. I don't know their situation or even the person so how can I judge someone?
I have been obese, 220 lbs, 5'6" yet I had younger women trying to date me. It was because I was working out but once I moved and slowed down it came to a stop. I was mostly interested in dating older women but I changed my mind. Older women tend to be more bossy in my experience. I prefer physically active women, I love to bike. The ones I met aren't so physically active. The only real benefit was that she had her own money so I didn't have to treat her all the time.

HA HA! Ugly men and obese men can get hot without money? What drugs are you on? The only ugly or fat men I have seen date hot women have been wealthy. Otherwise, nope I have never seen this. I have seen these loser men try to date hot women and get rejected.

But all of you ugly and fat men keep dreaming (or trolling,).

UrbanOzz
07-08-2012, 10:53 AM
Genetics play a role here. some women have expiration dates and others can be pretty timeless.

I worked with a lady in her 60's with gorgeous silver hair. She was BEAUTIFUL! She was a little plump but she aged so perfectly. A lot of the younger girls and even older ladies were envious of her.

I'm not saying I wanted her but i was thinking "if my gf ends up looking like that in her 60s, everything will be A-OK"

BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 11:08 AM
Genetics play a role here. some women have expiration dates and others can be pretty timeless.

I worked with a lady in her 60's with gorgeous silver hair. She was BEAUTIFUL! She was a little plump but she aged so perfectly. A lot of the younger girls and even older ladies were envious of her.

I'm not saying I wanted her but i was thinking "if my gf ends up looking like that in her 60s, everything will be A-OK"

Your right, thinking about it now. Its all about the good genes, plus diet and exercise of course. Oh and lifestyle.

Just check out my dream girl Hyori Lee, shes 33.

She looks like she is in her 20s.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pccrOt6rVH8
http://www.celebrityphotobook.com/images/uploads/hyori_lee_new_york_4.jpg

I see some girls and dudes who are early to mid 20s look damn near 35-40...its nuts.

Well
07-08-2012, 11:32 AM
HA HA! Ugly men and obese men can get hot without money? What drugs are you on? The only ugly or fat men I have seen date hot women have been wealthy. Otherwise, nope I have never seen this. I have seen these loser men try to date hot women and get rejected.

But all of you ugly and fat men keep dreaming (or trolling,).

Sorry I don't do drugs, I don't even take any sort of medication. You just can't accept other people opinions or facts. I am not it's a majority but it's out there.

So you assume I am trolling or dreaming because I'm fat. Can't be mature and just disagree without insults and putting people down?

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 11:35 AM
Women who are hot aren't interested in dating fat and ugly men, especially men with little means. I think you are just trolling, considering you just joined. But keep having your delusions that women like fat and ugly poor men.

Well
07-08-2012, 11:40 AM
How about you back up your statements? Everyone is different. Not everyone likes the same things. You would think at your age you would have a clue. So I'm guilty because I just joined. You just don't have a case. Back up your statements with facts instead of insults.

BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 11:42 AM
Women who are hot aren't interested in dating fat and ugly men, especially men with little means. I think you are just trolling, considering you just joined. But keep having your delusions that women like fat and ugly poor men.

Men who are hot wont wanna date fat and ugly women.

It goes both ways lol...ugly people gets no love unless they have $$$.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 11:44 AM
Why don't YOU back up your statements that women like fat and ugly poor guys. I have NEVER seen a fat and ugly poor guy go out with a hot woman. You remind me of a former nutjob male friend I had who was unattractive and poor yet thought he too could find a hot woman. He's now 50 and still single. You don't have a clue but then again you are a troll.

Well
07-08-2012, 11:47 AM
http://fashaddix.com/2008/07/why-beautiful-women-date-ugly-men/
http://www.askmen.com/dating/curtsmith/26_dating_advice.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/verena-von-pfetten/why-women-gladly-date-ugl_b_100704.html
https://speakout01.wordpress.com/2012/05/10/my-opinion-about-beautiful-women-dating-ugly-men/
There you go.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 11:55 AM
Not exactly stats but whatever. I too can write a blog (and in fact I do write one). However not one of them mentions being fat, ugly and poor. But keep thinking women want to date fat, ugly and poor men and I'll keep laughing at you.

Well
07-08-2012, 11:58 AM
Obviously you didn't read the article carefully. Oh well. You're set in your ways. It really doesn't matter to me.

Btw only one was a blog. :P

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 12:01 PM
Men who are hot wont wanna date fat and ugly women.

It goes both ways lol...ugly people gets no love unless they have $$$.

I don't blame men who don't want to date fat and ugly women.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 12:04 PM
Obviously you didn't read the article carefully. Oh well. You're set in your ways. It really doesn't matter to me.

Btw only one was a blog. :P

Yes because according to you I am old. All of them were opinion pieces and in fact the comments all back up what I said, that women aren't open to dating fat, ugly and poor men. Not to mention you said yourself you are short, so no you aren't exactly prime either.

I am done arguing with you, so please go troll somewhere else.

All Good Things
07-08-2012, 12:20 PM
Got this from Yelp, not directly related but I felt it was relevant and I kind of agree with it.

"Ages 15 to 19: The chart starts at age 15. Here women are at an access level of 8, which means they can pretty much do whatever they want whenever they want. By the time she's 19 and has a fake ID, she soars up to a 10 which means the world is her oyster. Your average man in this same category is lucky if he gets a blowjob from the ugly chick in 2nd period, and feels truly fortunate if he can keep a steady girlfriend and get laid on a semi regular basis.

Ages 20 to 25: Women are at their peak during most of this time, and even though their access starts to decline, it declines only because they themselves are being more selective while staging for marriage. Men during this time are steadily learning how to deal with women and are increasing their earning potential, so things are getting slowly better. Still, they haven't reached the level of access that their female counterparts have enjoyed since age 15.

Age 26 to 28: This is the start of the marriage zone. Women's clocks are ticking, and men have finally turned a job into a career. Though women's access is still at a very high 8, she notices the men around her have more choices. They've reached an access level of 7 and are steadily rising. Though she gets roughly the same amount of attention from men that she used to, she notices the men are far less likely to catch oneitis in her presence. Men are getting smarter and they have more options because of their increased access. She has to get him to commit as soon as possible before he realizes just how numerous his options really are.

Age 29 to 30: This is a superb time for men to be alive. The tables have now turned. She's finally learned that while finding dick takes very little effort, finding *committed* dick isn't as easy as she was told it would be. Even though she screwed up in the marriage zone and wasn't able to secure a partner, she's going to stay on the prowl and be "in it to win it".

Age 31 and up: As her sexual and marriage market value slowly decreases, so does her access to committed dick. Meanwhile, the men who were smart enough to avoid her in the marriage zone have a long and happy life ahead of them. Even at age 40 - if they are successful and have stayed in shape - these men can find a 28 year old woman to bear their children if they want. The men have nothing to lose. The women continue to slowly decline until they settle for a beta or convince themselves that being a career woman in Cougarville was really what they wanted all along.

After men avoid the marriage zone, their access soars. They can enjoy a series of fulfilling monogamous relationships with women who are on their best behavior since they're desperately trying to get married, and fill in the time in between these relationships by banging easy targets such as single mothers, divorcees, and rabid feminists who are second-guessing their decisions."

I recognize that this was posted on Yelp, but let me describe the background of the frightened and lonely little boy who actually wrote it. I don’t know the name of this person, but I know who he is. It’s as clear to me as if he had attached a photo.

It’s rare to see this level of misogynistic, hateful, snide, short-sighted, self-absorbed and desperately scared shit spewed forth by a soft, confused, frightened little boy (certainly not a man), who reveals in this whole narrative that he’s terrified of women, angry at them for having power over him, and desperate for some way out, so he rushes in frantic desperation to ally himself with the whole PUA moronic self-delusional screed, all in an attempt to hide from the brutal facts of his life:

No money, no power, no creativity, no charm, no hope, no future, and ultimately, no pussy.

And living in mommy’s basement.

Guys who think like this are just screaming, howling, braying their insecurities at the top of their lungs from the rooftops. It’s not just that they have no clue about women at all – they certainly don’t – and not just that they have no money or success – ditto that – but they have no hope of even getting out of this situation. They are trapped and scared. So they embrace this woman-hating moronic and delusional nonsense that frantically slaps women down and pushes them into false, poorly-imagined and meaningless categories that end in women’s universal doom – and all of which are designed to elevate, glorify and ultimately place a crown on the head of a man whose sole achievement in this whole scenario is to simply get older. To age.

Did you notice that? All the guy has to do is not die.

This is the only thing it gets right. It sets the bar on the floor for the guy, which is where it belongs. It’s the story of his life.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 12:34 PM
You completely rock. Actually when I read that drivel I was reminded of a guy I knew who truly believed he could get better and believed the lie that when women got older they would get scared and flock to him. He's still broke and still lives in his parent's basement.

Vyanka
07-08-2012, 12:35 PM
I'm offended by this. The fuck who ever said being 30+ is an expiration date.plenty of women get married at 30-up. Plenty do not lose their looks either. Beauty comes in all ages.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 12:36 PM
My mom is 64 and still gets hit on. She is completely gorgeous even now.

BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 12:43 PM
I dont see it as something that was meant to be passed off as 100% fact and I do some considerable truth in it. However I feel the article was just to evoke reaction...negative or positive. I for one have nothing against women or men, to me people are all the same. One just has a dick, the other a vagina and some difference in the chromosome set up. We all have a need and want for love, success, power, etc. its pretty universal. Out of all my friends, I have one that hates women with a passion. He got dumped by one and now exclaims they are all whores and sluts and just want to tease men slut it up. I find it ridiculous but fortunately his good nature is enough to overpower this and thats why I hang around. He has helped me a lot when I need it ie. using his car load my wheels, picking me up from the airport, etc. So I can see how some men are towards women, resentful, angry, etc. I mean take it however you will but I do feel that women are attractive in the 18-30 range. But thats just physical attraction, nothing more. And their biological clock is ticking in their 20s. Thats why I see some of my friend girls "on the hunt for a man" or in a hurry to settle down. They are mid 20s. Heck I am a dude and I worry about aging and losing my physical features...I am not saying Im a hunk but getting wrinkles, gray hair, etc. is devastating to me. I can only imagine how a woman would feel about this. My friend says 40 is the new 20...I am like nah man its the same old 40. Ill get there someday to If I dont die so whatever. We all will get old...we live in a youth focused world. Why do you think there are so many products out there marketed to women (and men) to "turn back the clock". Lets face it, looking young is emphasized and wanted by most I would assume. People want to look young not old...only thing good about getting older is the experience and intelligence one gets. But that only goes to an extend...we "peak" then its all downhill from here ie. health problems etc.

BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 12:48 PM
My mom is 64 and still gets hit on. She is completely gorgeous even now.

Thats dope, just wondering is it by dudes her age or older?

All Good Things
07-08-2012, 12:51 PM
I am not saying Im a hunk but getting wrinkles, gray hair, etc. is devastating to me. I can only imagine how a woman would feel about this.

I hope you understand that statements like this suggest that deep down you do not believe that "people are all the same."

You believe that aging is much worse for women. Correct?

It's the central thesis of that little-boy crybaby fit masquerading as a list of age features.

BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 12:53 PM
I'm offended by this. The fuck who ever said being 30+ is an expiration date.plenty of women get married at 30-up. Plenty do not lose their looks either. Beauty comes in all ages.

Just google it...there are numerous articles/blogs stating how men age better than women. I dont believe fully, I just believe there is more expected of women than men. A man gets wrinkles, hes distinct. A woman gets wrinkles, shes an old hag. Or youll read "Men age like wine, woman age like milk." Once again I dont believe that fully since everyone ages at a different rate based on genetics, lifestyle, diet, exercise, environment, etc. Beauty does come in all ages...its also subjective. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder." As I stated, I feel men and women look best in the 18-30 range. Its their prime and peak. After that imo its downhill...well at least in the looks department. Remember this is my opinion, Im not passing it off as fact.

BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 12:55 PM
I hope you understand that statements like this suggest that deep down you do not believe that "people are all the same."

You believe that aging is much worse for women. Correct?

It's the central thesis of that little-boy crybaby fit masquerading as a list of age features.

There is more expected of women...a guy gets bald and fat...people dont give a sh!t. A girl gets fat, bald (well shell probably wear a wig anyways), and what not and she is labeled the wicked witch of the west. I mean getting old is getting old...nobody escapes father time. But once again I dont think wrinkles on a dude is as bad as it is on a woman. So yeah I guess aging is worse/harder for a woman than a man.

UrbanOzz
07-08-2012, 01:01 PM
I'm offended by this. The fuck who ever said being 30+ is an expiration date.plenty of women get married at 30-up. Plenty do not lose their looks either. Beauty comes in all ages.

I agree with a lot of what was said here but the 30+ statement is a joke.

Tons of women are BEAUTIFUL past 30, past 40, past 50 and onwards.

If you think a women 30+ is expired, you are fucked in life when it comes to relationships.

BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 01:06 PM
I agree with a lot of what was said here but the 30+ statement is a joke.

Tons of women are BEAUTIFUL past 30, past 40, past 50 and onwards.

If you think a women 30+ is expired, you are fucked in life when it comes to relationships.

Let me rephrase that, 30+ isnt expired but its past the prime of strength and peak of good looks.
So yes, men and women can and do look good past 30, its just I feel they looked even better before that.
But with all the anti aging products nowadays along with surgery by competent hands, one can look good for a long time to come.
Plus the factors we can control, diet and exercise. Lifestyle such as not smoking/drinking/drugs/sleeping late/abusing our bodies/not being a sun worshipper/etc.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 01:08 PM
Thats dope, just wondering is it by dudes her age or older?

Even younger men, yes she is that hot. Sometime I will post a photo of her or one where she was younger and she looked like a living Barbie Doll.

All Good Things
07-08-2012, 01:11 PM
A guy gets bald and fat and people don't give a shit? Really?

Check out the management ranks of the Fortune 500. Have you ever seen a fat, bald guy running a Fortune 500 company? Of course not -- they are filtered out seven management levels lower.

A pleasant physical appearance is a requirement for most very successful men in the U.S. whose jobs put them in the public eye. You don't see a whole lot of fat, bald guys as leads in major films (unless they are played for laughs) or in almost any sector of media at the top -- news, commentary, sports or entertainment.

It turns out that people are hugely judgmental about weight for both women and men.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 01:13 PM
There is more expected of women...a guy gets bald and fat...people dont give a sh!t. A girl gets fat, bald (well shell probably wear a wig anyways), and what not and she is labeled the wicked witch of the west. I mean getting old is getting old...nobody escapes father time. But once again I dont think wrinkles on a dude is as bad as it is on a woman. So yeah I guess aging is worse/harder for a woman than a man.

What planet does this happen on where an older woman gets fat and wrinkly and called names? Actually I don't even really know many older fat women, the fat people I know are either men or younger. I have no wrinkles, and neither do either of my parents, no kidding. My grandparents only started getting them when both were around late 70s. If people are judging people for getting old they are shitheads, but there isn't an excuse to get fat so a man getting fat only has himself to blame.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 01:18 PM
A guy gets bald and fat and people don't give a shit? Really?

Check out the management ranks of the Fortune 500. Have you ever seen a fat, bald guy running a Fortune 500 company? Of course not -- they are filtered out seven management levels lower.

A pleasant physical appearance is a requirement for most very successful men in the U.S. whose jobs put them in the public eye. You don't see a whole lot of fat, bald guys as leads in major films (unless they are played for laughs) or in almost any sector of media at the top -- news, commentary, sports or entertainment.

It turns out that people are hugely judgmental about weight for both women and men.

I used to get a few corporate type newspapers that would show the CEOs and almost all were extremely fit and yes looking good. Ironically my one former employer had a really ugly fat slob as CEO but he was connected to various politicians which is how he got the job (and fat piggie committed).

I once had a guy friend tell me he was going to be like George Clooney and be 50 and still dating hot women. I had to tell him that George Clooney can date hot because he's hot, plus he's rich and famous. He then used the example of rock stars but I told him rock stars too can get anyone even if unattractive because they are rich.

BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 01:20 PM
A guy gets bald and fat and people don't give a shit? Really?

Check out the management ranks of the Fortune 500. Have you ever seen a fat, bald guy running a Fortune 500 company? Of course not -- they are filtered out seven management levels lower.

A pleasant physical appearance is a requirement for most very successful men in the U.S. whose jobs put them in the public eye. You don't see a whole lot of fat, bald guys as leads in major films (unless they are played for laughs) or in almost any sector of media at the top -- news, commentary, sports or entertainment.

It turns out that people are hugely judgmental about weight for both women and men.


What planet does this happen on where an older woman gets fat and wrinkly and called names? Actually I don't even really know many older fat women, the fat people I know are either men or younger. I have no wrinkles, and neither do either of my parents, no kidding. My grandparents only started getting them when both were around late 70s. If people are judging people for getting old they are shitheads, but there isn't an excuse to get fat so a man getting fat only has himself to blame.

1. Yup if your in the business (modeling, acting, anything in the public eye where looks is vital to success and profit/gain) But for the everyday man, nobody cares. Then again the same could go for women. I meant they might think that, they wont say it to her face or his face unless they are truly terribly mean spirited people. I just ask my friends and family, all agree its harder for and on a woman to age than a man in terms of physical attributes. If the same went for men, why arent there more products and make up to "turn back the clock" of aging. Society has that expectation on women more so than men.

BlackSheEp3
07-08-2012, 01:24 PM
I used to get a few corporate type newspapers that would show the CEOs and almost all were extremely fit and yes looking good. Ironically my one former employer had a really ugly fat slob as CEO but he was connected to various politicians which is how he got the job (and fat piggie committed).

I once had a guy friend tell me he was going to be like George Clooney and be 50 and still dating hot women. I had to tell him that George Clooney can date hot because he's hot, plus he's rich and famous. He then used the example of rock stars but I told him rock stars too can get anyone even if unattractive because they are rich.

Yup, Clooney is a good looking dude. Plus he got money. It works out for him since hes aging well and has deep pockets.
If your friend is handsome his chance is at 70-80%, if he has money then hes 90-100%.

And if you (man or woman) is ugly and poor/regular...good luck
If your ugly and got money...then its easy. But we all already know this.
Sugardaddy, sugarmomma, cougar, jailbait, etc.

Well
07-08-2012, 01:35 PM
What planet does this happen on where an older woman gets fat and wrinkly and called names? Actually I don't even really know many older fat women, the fat people I know are either men or younger. I have no wrinkles, and neither do either of my parents, no kidding. My grandparents only started getting them when both were around late 70s. If people are judging people for getting old they are shitheads, but there isn't an excuse to get fat so a man getting fat only has himself to blame.



Worldwide obesity has more than doubled since 1980.
In 2008, more than 1.4 billion adults, 20 and older, were overweight. Of these over 200 million men and nearly 300 million women were obese.

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs311/en/index.html



A: Over two-thirds of U.S. adults are overweight or obese.[4]

All adults: 68 percent
Women: 64.1 percent
Men: 72.3 percent

http://win.niddk.nih.gov/statistics/index.htm

Well
07-08-2012, 01:42 PM
Yes because according to you I am old. All of them were opinion pieces and in fact the comments all back up what I said, that women aren't open to dating fat, ugly and poor men. Not to mention you said yourself you are short, so no you aren't exactly prime either.

I am done arguing with you, so please go troll somewhere else.

I never said that. lol
I prefer older women in fact. Now you are putting words in my mouth. hehehe

All Good Things
07-08-2012, 02:06 PM
I once had a guy friend tell me he was going to be like George Clooney and be 50 and still dating hot women. I had to tell him that George Clooney can date hot because he's hot, plus he's rich and famous. He then used the example of rock stars but I told him rock stars too can get anyone even if unattractive because they are rich.

Clooney is also a genuinely nice guy. He's from showbiz roots, but had to make it on his own. So it was a very long road for him with lots of failures. When he finally made it, he didn't forget about that long road and all the failures.

I grew up surrounded entirely by women in my family -- 18 women in 4 generations and then me, as the only male blood relative -- so I was lucky enough to be in a position to observe and absorb that world. I make no claims to entirely understand it, not by a very long shot, but it has done a great deal for helping me to feel comfortable in my own skin when around women. And of course it was in every way an accident of birth.

What concerned me when I was young and impressionable (and frankly incredibly broke, given the family I grew up in) was that women seemed to be always looking for the "plus and" in men rather than the "either/or." So it seemed to me that you had to be hot plus interesting plus engaging plus funny plus successful plus -- and this is HUGE -- tall.

It's not so much that fat and bald are necessarily relationship toxins, but a short guy is one sure deal-killer.

I am 6' so I escaped that nasty filter, and thank God for that. Another accident of birth.

One constant that has held true is that we men seem to be these ridiculous creatures who are forever enslaved to our visual cortex. This is most obvious when men are around other men. Women in a bar are much more subtle about this than men are, but when guys are trashed, they will lunge into your face to tell you how you look exactly like Michael Douglas did around the time of Basic Instinct.

What amazes me about this is the movie they choose to remember.

And of course in the gay community, everything visual is supremely exalted, bordering on some sort of thermonuclear fixation.

GlamourRouge
07-08-2012, 02:18 PM
Genetics play a role here. some women have expiration dates and others can be pretty timeless.

I worked with a lady in her 60's with gorgeous silver hair. She was BEAUTIFUL! She was a little plump but she aged so perfectly. A lot of the younger girls and even older ladies were envious of her.

I'm not saying I wanted her but i was thinking "if my gf ends up looking like that in her 60s, everything will be A-OK"

Very true! Genetics play a HUGE role in how your hair/skin/face age which is important, but STYLE and fashion plays a huge role as well (see below). But even the women below, no man who wants children is going to commit to that because well they can't have children probably. The problem is that you need to have children along the way or not have them at all. If you're 45 and want children, you will likely not find a man to help you with that except one thats like 60+. Men will opt for the younger woman to have children with to ensure his children's success. However, there are exceptions to this rule, but thats bc they generally look 15 years younger anyway (think Tamara Barney from RHOC). So women 40-50 who want children and refuse to date older men are screwed over usually. Older men that age are comfortably dating women 10-15 years younger without a problem. So if a 40-50 year old isn't willing to go for the 55-65 year old (most of which do not want any/anymore children), then it just doesn't work out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWKTfqivbRQ

Attitude also plays a HUGE role! Happy, cheery, secure in yourself, not neurotic, not OBSESSING over every little thing that doesn't really matter. <--- I see A LOT of that on this board, and then these people wonder why they are single and why their friends are turning on them and calling them crazy. Honestly, that is probably what turns men off the fastest.

I once worked with a 71 year old makeup artist. She was a retired interior designer who reminded me of Betsy Johnson. She had impeccable style, was good at her craft, made friends with everyone, and was just a really fun, happy person. She was like the women in that youtube trailer. She literally had 5 boyfriends who all wanted her to commit to them but she would always refuse. In her younger years she was a dancer (of the stripping variety ;)) and then got married and was married for like 30 years where she was miserable and he cheated on her. He left her for a younger girl (early 20s) when she was like 50, and that girl spent all his money and moved on, then tried to come crawling back to her. But it was just not worth it for her obviously, so now she has the time of her life dancing to jazz, going on cruises, throwing pool parties, giving sex advice lol, and dating around having fun. Honestly, that's how to do it. Marriages really aren't forever, and eventually both parties are miserable and cease to grow.

That being said, if you want to have kids, have them. Don't think about 20 years down the line, because who KNOWS what the world will be like. Too many women live in Fairytaleville population one. Wanting to have kids at the ~*perfect*~ time, wanting to wait around for the ~*perfect*~ mate, etc, etc. While I agree that you shouldn't "settle", you also shouldn't wait around forever for what you want to the point where you will likely never get it. Take risks. Nothing is forever, and this is being increasingly true with relationships. Marriage is a failed institution unless you both plan to live your life by the bible/quran/torah/whatever. So do things that you want along the way so you don't miss out (having kids, travel, whatever you want to do). If you don't do those things, you only have yourself to blame for your unhappiness.

Kellydancer
07-08-2012, 02:21 PM
All Good Things, I've heard that about Clooney and yes that adds to it with him. What I find ironic about these men of which I talk is they have nothing going for them and they don't even have nice personalities. I'm not sure if it's because they are rejected often that they become bitter or simply delusional.

I have heard that some women want men with the plus like you mentioned and to some extent I have seen it. Especially true when talking about extremely attractive women. I will be the first to admit I have been shallow myself and am still as such. I have heard some interesting stats too as of late that now women are moving into formerly male clubs such as CEO positions and how they wonder how this will change dynamics. In the past men needed women to provide kids (and of course domestic duties)while men provided the money. Now with women becoming independent they think it will change a bit and women will become pickier. Very interesting how all of this plays.

cherryblossomsinspring
07-08-2012, 02:22 PM
1. If the same went for men, why arent there more products and make up to "turn back the clock" of aging.

Simple: Because MEN PAY FOR PUSSY. No don't get plastic surgery , bring your cash and pay her to forget how ugly you are. Duhh Like you don't know what site you're on??? :O

cherryblossomsinspring
07-08-2012, 02:30 PM
There is more expected of women...a guy gets bald and fat...people dont give a sh!t. A girl gets fat, bald (well shell probably wear a wig anyways), and what not and she is labeled the wicked witch of the west. I mean getting old is getting old...nobody escapes father time. But once again I dont think wrinkles on a dude is as bad as it is on a woman. So yeah I guess aging is worse/harder for a woman than a man.

What??????? lol are you serious? Is that why a bald guy is still rocking that vag bush on the back of his head? That fucking little piece of hair? Because he doesn't want to be considered bald even though about 96% of his hair is umm gone! Lol And fat? Are you serious? A bald, toothless big girl will get more dick than the hottest man getting pussy. And she'll even get paid for it too! You seriously forget the sexual drive difference between men and women.

cherryblossomsinspring
07-08-2012, 02:42 PM
Ohh and don't let me even get started on age. On most of those sugar daddy sites where being fat, ugly and beyond the age of most women there is of little concern , yet the men still LIE THEIR ASSES OFF. If everyone wants to fuck a fat guy why say " a few extra lbs" when that's about how much their bones weigh. Why say you're 35 when you're actually 55? Why use a picture of someone that you supposedly look like when the closest you come to that picture is if someone kicked you in your face with a boot. Really? Ha! You forget how men realize the truth about age when it comes to them. They are hiding their nature of wanting what they aren't. You really need to go on a few sites and see what these guys look like.

If older guys were the In thing why even being on a sugar site? Don't young beautiful women want them or regular dating sites? The answer is NO FUCKING WAY! And why are their inboxs full with young beautiful women on these sugar daddy sites??? BECAUSE THESE WOMEN WANT MONEY!!!! DUH AGAIN.

Well
07-08-2012, 02:56 PM
Ohh and don't let me even get started on age. On most of those sugar daddy sites where being fat, ugly and beyond the age of most women there is of little concern , yet the men still LIE THEIR ASSES OFF. If everyone wants to fuck a fat guy why say " a few extra lbs" when that's about how much their bones weigh. Why say you're 35 when you're actually 55? Why use a picture of someone that you supposedly look like when the closest you come to that picture is if someone kicked you in your face with a boot. Really? Ha! You forget how men realize the truth about age when it comes to them. They are hiding their nature of wanting what they aren't. You really need to go on a few sites and see what these guys look like.

If older guys were the In thing why even being on a sugar site? Don't young beautiful women want them or regular dating sites? The answer is NO FUCKING WAY! And why are their inboxs full with young beautiful women on these sugar daddy sites??? BECAUSE THESE WOMEN WANT MONEY!!!! DUH AGAIN.

And there's cougars sites. And what do these young guys want? SEX and more sex without spending any or little money lol
If you're talking about online a lot of them do. Not just men but women too. Dating sites getting so popular but guess what it's hard to find someone that's honest enough.