View Full Version : Milfs, Gilfs, and BBW dancers - Isn't there a place for them?
SCD - NOLA
08-08-2012, 04:14 PM
I guess I'll throw my hat in as well. Take my opinions for what they're worth (not much).
There isn't one cookie cutter person of either sex that everybody fits the mold of. I still believe there are girls who don't mind or even like to be given the attention by MOST guys, maybe not all and you won't burst my bubble you just won't convince me. There may be some genuinely who have problems and some who do not, I don't think someone who is going to be traumatized for life for being groped should be running around naked, grinding dudes laps, and getting fondled all day. That's not healthy from any mental health standpoint. The complex probably started for many of said women from the stigmas associated with sexuality, being called a hoe or slut all the time for example by other women.
I agree with you Rick, probably OFTEN making these tough choices they wouldn't otherwise make. I hope the job market expands so girls like that aren't strippers at all anymore.
First, I think everyone has a different interpretation of 'attention'. There's attention in the form of compliments and flattery and there's attention in the form of groping, licking, harassment, etc.
Second, if the only girls who were strippers were the ones who genuinely enjoyed stripping and all of the negatives that come along with the job, there may only be about two strip clubs in the entire country. That wouldn't bode well for a dancewear store. I've never worked as a stripper so I won't try to speak for them (especially on a forum full of actual strippers), but I'd say that more appreciate the financial and scheduling benefits from stripping than the job itself. I have worked in restaurants and while I didn't enjoy the actual job, I did appreciate that I could work around my school schedule. The tips on weekends were pretty good. Other than that, it's not like there are any intrinsic benefits to working as a waiter. I don't think many people found the job itself rewarding.
yoda57us
08-08-2012, 04:52 PM
Hotie, dude...
The problem I have with just about everything you are posting here is that you are blaming everyone but yourself for the possibility that your grabbing a dancer's tits may make her dislike you even if she says it's OK for you to do it. It seems to me that the only dignity at risk here is your own since you are so afraid to admit that grabbing stripper ass is just something you need to do even if the strippers don't like it.
The first thing you have to do is come to grips with the simple reality that dancers dance to pay their bills. Everything they do and allow customers to do is done so that they can make a lot of money and pay their bills. You can prattle on and on about everyone being different and blah blah blah but I'm never going to buy into your idea that dancers don't like getting groped because of some sort of societal stigma that's been attached to it. For the ten or twelve years that I've been going to high contact clubs I've listened to dancers talk about how disgusting most of the guys are who poke and prod them (with full permission). Because ITC is a business relationship they will always stop short of telling ME that I make their flesh crawl since they want my money but I'm not naive enough to believe that I'm the exception to the rule. You need to stop kidding yourself into thinking that you are somehow different from every other guy who goes to a strip club to buy full contact LD's.
To be clear, no one, well, at least not me, is saying that you are a bad person for wanting to pay strange women to grind on your lap. They are doing it to earn money and if you are a paying customer you are helping them to achieve that goal.
SCD - NOLA
08-08-2012, 05:36 PM
I think the underlying reason (which I think can be changed by a major paradigm shift and it will occur) women feel like this is somewhat evolutionary but probably also stems from cultural stigma (which exists worldwide) as a monogamous family oriented system allowed for greater survival and the Gods/Goddesses punished the sexual people with pestilence.
I'll see if I can help salvage this thread. I agree with this point to a degree. I'm sure the external pressures of the job makes it that much more difficult. But I'll revert to my example of working as a waiter. Nobody turns their nose down at waiters, bartenders, etc. (except for REALLY snobby people). Parents don't disown their kids for working as waiters. I can tell people I used to work in the service industry without fear of judgmental looks or condescending remarks. Strippers don't have that luxury sometimes. However, that didn't make working as a waiter that much more fulfilling. At the end of the day, I was just some guy bringing food to people that wanted me to get the hell out of their conversation. I'm guessing here, but I don't think getting rid of all of the stigmas attached to stripping is really going to make girls love their job. Maybe make it more tolerable, but you're talking about wanting strippers who love what they do. I don't think it's as simple as you're making it out.
There is likely an archaic reason which goes beyond psychology into the very biology of most females which makes them feel defensive but if we just selectively gene pool strippers we can have this trait removed and a grope friendly defense system as a dominant gene structure in just a few generations anyway. Either that or the strippers will be replaced by Japanese androids, we still seem to be a good 30 years off from that though.
I'm guessing you're going to lose a lot of people here. It sounds like you're suggesting we breed women to become strippers like we do with race horses. That doesn't really coincide with your previous idea that women who don't want to work in strip clubs shouldn't (although genetic engineering is, I guess, one way to circumvent that). It also doesn't go with the idea that we actually improve the industry by cracking down on exploitative managers, enforce laws regarding touching, hooking, etc. and combat some of the negative stereotypes surrounding the industry (which you also talked about). This just sounds like you're saying we breed girls to put up with the problem instead of fixing it.
....you want the less desirable dancers because you think they are more desperate.....
Actually the mature women sometimes have less of an ego issue, I don't want touch a woman who feels she is too good for me.
But often the mature women (both in clubs and in real life) have outgrown that. They're more earthy, less aloof, more truly comfortable with sex-play. When you've lived and experienced a lot, there's not much to prudish about any more. When a woman who's just spent an energetic session of mutual contact sits down with you for a leisurely drink afterward, to chat about life, goals and family, I don't think it's likely that you give her the creeps and she can't wait to get away.
These are the women I prefer and they seem to prefer guys like me.
lopaw
08-08-2012, 07:33 PM
Wasn't this trainwreck of a thread originally about Milfs, Gilfs, and BBW dancers?
hotexoticdw
08-08-2012, 07:37 PM
^lol yes.
Actually the mature women sometimes have less of an ego issue, I don't want touch a woman who feels she is too good for me.
But often the mature women (both in clubs and in real life) have outgrown that. They're more earthy, less aloof, more truly comfortable with sex-play. When you've lived and experienced a lot, there's not much to prudish about any more. When a woman who's just spent an energetic session of mutual contact sits down with you for a leisurely drink afterward, to chat about life, goals and family, I don't think it's likely that you give her the creeps and she can't wait to get away.
These are the women I prefer and they seem to prefer guys like me.
I couldn't have said it better
@SCD-NOLA
I'm guessing you're going to lose a lot of people here. It sounds like you're suggesting we breed women to become strippers like we do with race horses. That doesn't really coincide with your previous idea that women who don't want to work in strip clubs shouldn't (although genetic engineering is, I guess, one way to circumvent that). It also doesn't go with the idea that we actually improve the industry by cracking down on exploitative managers, enforce laws regarding touching, hooking, etc. and combat some of the negative stereotypes surrounding the industry (which you also talked about). This just sounds like you're saying we breed girls to put up with the problem instead of fixing it.
What you were referring to was a joke. I really should have said sarcasm in parenthesis. Bazinga!
We went 50 places with this convo. Ultimately I think stripping is a dignified profession and people who feel like trash doing it would be better off finding other work but not everyone feels that way. I hold that opinion and based on knowing plenty of dancers/ex dancers myself, not all feel that way but some don't feel like the garbage of society and regardless of fondling and the disrespect men show they make great money and can live higher quality lives than many of us.
yoda57us
08-08-2012, 08:33 PM
We went 50 places with this convo. Ultimately I think stripping is a dignified profession and people who feel like trash doing it would be better off finding other work but not everyone feels that way. I hold that opinion and based on knowing plenty of dancers/ex dancers myself, not all feel that way but some don't feel like the garbage of society and regardless of fondling and the disrespect men show they make great money and can live higher quality lives than many of us.
It's all about compartmentalization. Sex workers, be they dancers, escorts, porn actresses or even cam girls have to be good at it in order to be successful at sex work without going half bonkers. In reality a lot of girls do try dancing, hate it and quit pretty early on. More often than not though the money is the great motivator and women learn how to compartmentalize what they do (or let customers do) at work and live the rest of their lives as normally as possible.
In over twenty five years of clubbing I've never heard a dancer refer to herself as the garbage of society. This sort of pop stripper psychology only comes from customers.
Kellydancer
08-08-2012, 09:02 PM
See Kelly and that's my point, we aren't cookie cutter molds of each other. We all have different likes, I would LOVE a random woman to come grope me, I would absolutely enjoy it without question and you could line up every woman from here to the other side of the continent to take turns with a few exceptions maybe and anyone who was sick/contagious. I also know girls who are like me, but many aren't, many don't like it but don't care, so many different people in this world and far too many to just generalize.
I respect you don't like it though, I just think that had you worked in a full contact club you would have been pretty miserable every day and you probably would have done better to work in -ANY- job rather than that if you are especially sensitive about it.
You'd like a 300 pound toothless woman to come up to you and grope you? You say that now but I bet if the most repulsive woman groped you it would creep you out. That's how dancers feel and to be blunt many (probably most)of the guys who grope dancers are men they wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.
No I wouldn't like working in a no touch club but see I didn't have to resort to that. I made money at the no touch clubs and back when I danced the girls who could only work at the touching clubs were the ones not pretty or in shape at all. Back then stripping was entertainment not sex for lonely desperate guys who couldn't get a woman other ways.
hotexoticdw
08-08-2012, 09:59 PM
You'd like a 300 pound toothless woman to come up to you and grope you? You say that now but I bet if the most repulsive woman groped you it would creep you out.
I think there is a fundamental difference between women and men in that area or maybe it is just something different about a minority of us. I personally can't understand being bothered by it really, not saying I would have sex or want someone who was sick/smelly touching me. It doesn't even make sense to me to be honest, if a complete troll of a woman played with my junk or grabbed my butt for a sec, I would enjoy giving her a little thrill and move on. Not saying I would seek it out. Then again that could be pretty abnormal in and of itself, no clue.
Omegaphallic
08-10-2012, 01:23 PM
I like MILFs, as long as thier actual MILFs, emphasis on the F, aka thier still hot.
GILF she'd better be as hot as actress Ann Margret, or I'm not interested.
As for BBW, girls don't have to be aneroxic, but I don't want BBW ethier, someone in the habitiabal zone. I'm not too fussy.
I feel a little hypocritical as I'm not gorgeous, but then I remember that I'm the one paying, not the other way around.
All Good Things
08-11-2012, 12:30 AM
I think there is a fundamental difference between women and men in that area or maybe it is just something different about a minority of us. I personally can't understand being bothered by it really, not saying I would have sex or want someone who was sick/smelly touching me. It doesn't even make sense to me to be honest, if a complete troll of a woman played with my junk or grabbed my butt for a sec, I would enjoy giving her a little thrill and move on. Not saying I would seek it out. Then again that could be pretty abnormal in and of itself, no clue.
The thing about the 300-lb sweaty, lumbering, smelly bufferillas Kelly is describing is that you, as a male, do not ever see them in the world. You are blind to them. One could walk right up to your face, cock a .38 revolver, hold it to your forehead and blow your brains out without you actually ever seeing her standing there. If you miraculously came back to life and told the story to your buddies, it would go something like this:
"So check it out. My head just fucking exploded! I was like standing there all by myself and suddenly "kaboom!" and then, lights out."
In crowds this happens all the time: guys getting spun around or knocked over or have a limb displaced or an arm torn out of its socket from a collision with an object of considerable size, heft, weight, and momentum that they never even saw.
Now imagine that instead of enjoying the absolute cognitive blackout your brain imposes on you as a form of protection against this visual apocalypse, you had to pay your bills and feed yourself day in and day out for months or years on end by entertaining, seducing, flirting with, listening to, pretending to adore, crawling all over and rubbing your nude body on top of all these freakishly proto-gelatinous Shamu behemoths, with decomposing-corpse breath, slimy octopus hands, pocked, diseased faces and all covered with the gruesome stink of Hell.
Don't tell me you "wouldn't be bothered by it."
All there would be is this exact cartoon outline in the wall of your flailing body fleeing in terror.
Djoser
08-11-2012, 07:40 AM
You'd like a 300 pound toothless woman to come up to you and grope you? You say that now but I bet if the most repulsive woman groped you it would creep you out. That's how dancers feel and to be blunt many (probably most)of the guys who grope dancers are men they wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole.
Haha I used to get the equivalent to this every night, at the last club I worked in Daytona--where they would hire literally anyone without a dick, and they would be grabbing my shit on their way in and out of the dressing room (right next to the DJ booth). Still get it sometimes here from some of the unattractive dayshift girls.
While I could never be entirely oblivious to any woman grabbing my shit, you do kind of learn to roll with it and keep playing the music, talking into the mike without missing a beat, etc. I do think it's a little easier for guys to do this maybe. As far as being oblivious to the sight of really nasty looking women onstage, that is impossible I fear. I wish I could just ignore them entirely, and sometimes I can if it's busy and I am not looking at the stage. That club in Daytona had a couple of grandma types too!
No I wouldn't like working in a no touch club but see I didn't have to resort to that. I made money at the no touch clubs and back when I danced the girls who could only work at the touching clubs were the ones not pretty or in shape at all. Back then stripping was entertainment not sex for lonely desperate guys who couldn't get a woman other ways.
I wish we could return to the way it was, but alas it seems those days are long gone, in all but a few clubs.
Kellydancer
08-11-2012, 10:50 AM
That's just sad and why I will likely never dance in a club again. I saw quite a few of those in one club I worked in and asked the manager why. He said that now that that they loosened standards on what was allowed (and got money hungry)they hired dancers they would have rejected. I always say that this problem is caused by the owners becoming greedy on money and more competition. I don't really need to mention that the no touch clubs were from somewhat picky (midlevel)to extremely picky (upscale).
PinkMinx
08-11-2012, 09:18 PM
All Good Things, Your whole post was hilariously descrptive, especially "bufferillas"- loved it and laughing so hard!
lopaw
08-12-2012, 06:56 PM
I like MILFs, as long as thier actual MILFs, emphasis on the F, aka thier still hot.
GILF she'd better be as hot as actress Ann Margret, or I'm not interested.
As for BBW, girls don't have to be aneroxic, but I don't want BBW ethier, someone in the habitiabal zone. I'm not too fussy.
I feel a little hypocritical as I'm not gorgeous, but then I remember that I'm the one paying, not the other way around.
What is it about Ann Margret?
She's like 70+ years old, and I would crawl on my hands and knees through broken glass just to wank off in her shadow.
She takes GILF to a whole different level.
Oh yeeeaaaahhhhh....I'd hit that }:D.
hotexoticdw
08-12-2012, 07:15 PM
What is it about Ann Margret?
She's like 70+ years old, and I would crawl on my hands and knees through broken glass just to wank off in her shadow.
She takes GILF to a whole different level.
Oh yeeeaaaahhhhh....I'd hit that }:D.
What about Barbara Eden, that chick is nearly 80 and good GAWD she is still gorgeous! Some say men age well like Robert Redford or Sean Connery (who doesn't age), but I have to admit some ladies stay ungodly beautiful all the way until the bitter end. That's nice, at least in most cases that is a nice testament to our plastic surgery technology lol.
JoeUnCool
08-14-2012, 05:13 AM
Ann Margaret and Barbara Eden are not everyone's thing. :O
hotexoticdw
08-14-2012, 11:00 AM
Ann Margaret and Barbara Eden are not everyone's thing. :O
Nope, it is definitely a fetish, but then barbie isn't everyone's thing either. Want to bore the hell out of me, take me to a club with a bunch of cookie cutter barbie types, they can grind me all day and I probably won't even get a charge out of it. Many of the other guys there will be drooling all over themselves, we all simply have our own tastes.
However club owners who just hire one body type, I think that's pretty dumb. It isn't like there isn't a large enough following of mature/bbw lovers to make successful tube sites after all :P
JoeUnCool
08-14-2012, 01:43 PM
Nope, it is definitely a fetish, but then barbie isn't everyone's thing either. Want to bore the hell out of me, take me to a club with a bunch of cookie cutter barbie types, they can grind me all day and I probably won't even get a charge out of it. Many of the other guys there will be drooling all over themselves, we all simply have our own tastes.
However club owners who just hire one body type, I think that's pretty dumb. It isn't like there isn't a large enough following of mature/bbw lovers to make successful tube sites after all :P
Right, you have to have a mix. If I want to see the cookie cutter girls, I can go to Cheetah or Pink Pony in Atlanta. While I like one girl at the PP, the rest are so boring and mostly copies of each other. My kingdom for one girl that is fun, has a wicked sense of humor and is attractive to me.
Easy Mark
08-22-2012, 05:47 AM
The club I frequent has a good variety of girls, from model types to girl next door types. Each is attractive in some way or they wouldn't be making money. Some of the larger and older girls are also the most fun to talk to and have a dance from. Some of the hottest girls are BORING!! I encourage any girl who is interested in dancing and has personality to not focus on her body type as a negative or an excuse not to dance. It's not a job for everyone of course, and I think the negatives of stripping are what she should focus on when making a decision. Not her looks.
hotexoticdw
08-22-2012, 11:11 AM
The club I frequent has a good variety of girls, from model types to girl next door types. Each is attractive in some way or they wouldn't be making money. Some of the larger and older girls are also the most fun to talk to and have a dance from. Some of the hottest girls are BORING!! I encourage any girl who is interested in dancing and has personality to not focus on her body type as a negative or an excuse not to dance. It's not a job for everyone of course, and I think the negatives of stripping are what she should focus on when making a decision. Not her looks.
Man, you articulated the point of my OP perfectly. There is this old saying I used to hear a lot, "Turn women upside down and they are all sisters" and all I can say is that is probably the biggest load of general nonsense I have ever heard. Every woman has her unique qualities and just about every woman is going to be beautiful to some man out there.
This has been a very interesting read. Considering I'm a BBW and GILF. I don't dance at clubs but I have started camming, there is something out there for everyone, that's for sure.
hotexoticdw
08-22-2012, 12:44 PM
^ If you cam on MFC I will have to check your channel out, I think the cam girl world just got a little sexier! Variety is the spice of life, no joke, too much of the same is just boring!
yoda57us
08-26-2012, 02:47 PM
There is this old saying I used to hear a lot, "Turn women upside down and they are all sisters" and all I can say is that is probably the biggest load of general nonsense I have ever heard. Every woman has her unique qualities and just about every woman is going to be beautiful to some man out there.
LOL, I've never heard that one but yeah, it's a load of crap!. There is no place where this is more true than in a strip club. Years ago there was a dancer at my then favorite club who was in her 50's, not very attractive and really not much of a dancer. Other girls used to complain if they got put on a stage set with this woman because she would drive away every customer at the stage (none of them wanted to have to tip her). But guess what, this woman had regular customers lined up for private dances every shift that she worked! If you read the male-oriented strip club boards you walk away thinking that only tall blondes with big tits or extras dancers make any money in a club. It's really not the case at all. Most of my faves never get mentioned on the local club chat boards because they don't fit into the "big buzz" categories that guys seem obsessed with...yet they all make very good money. You can be beautiful but boring and spend the night selling one dance to thirty different guys or you can be friendly and approachable, develop some regulars, and not have to work quite so hard to make your money. Every girl is different just as every customer is.
HaitianKitty
12-19-2014, 11:53 PM
What club is that?
audritwo
12-22-2014, 11:40 AM
Yoda is probably rolling right now... Oh boy.
uzman
09-01-2016, 01:12 PM
I found one last week in my town of Toronto, Canada. The cvlub is called Diamond Cabaret and the private BBW nights are called "Shapely Sinners" on Friday nights
ShyStripper
09-03-2016, 04:15 AM
There's a lot more room for being "niche" in camming rather than stripping
November_Scorpio
09-05-2016, 10:21 AM
You know, I often find that a lot of big critical guys are saying the older strippers, the bbws, and other fetish fitting girls are usually what you find in the dumpy bars that nobody would bother going to.
Having ran a strip club review website at one point I went around to a lot of clubs, including the "trashy" ones where the BBW dancers, the Gilfs, and Milfs were accepted by the management as well as of course the B-Squad. I found that the door entry fee here was about 10-15 dollars higher for a BYOB all nude (which is a law here in Texas where I am from) and there was expensive parking, yet even still the club is always full. Is it me, or is everyone being a little over critical. I saw a thread on the girls only section that asked when it was time to retire, I think you can really press it because believe it or not there is always some guy out there with a granny fetish, or if a girl is big then some guys like big girls.
Any thoughts? I was just curious how everyone felt about this from both perspectives. My opinion is that variety is the spice of life and too much of the same thing is vanilla so I welcome a little of it all if only for something different.
To be honest my personal preference is a young girl in her 20's who has a spinner type build. BUT, looks are just skin deep.
Although that is what I am most attracted to, I often find myself passing over those girls because of other factors: bad personality, too pushy and mean, poor communication skills, don't like way I am being treated, insanely high prices, non negotiable, etc.
Looks are important, but I will put more weight into other factors that I will use to prejudge in my head how well the club experience will be with that girl. Most guys probably care most about looks, not me. She can be the hottest girl in the club but if she treats me like crap I will pass her up for a less attractive girl who treats me like I am her king and puts me on a pedestal. The way I am treated is by far the biggest factor I use to pick a dancer to spend money on.
Gia2608
09-09-2016, 11:29 AM
^^^^ You should get a mail-order bride from a 3rd world country where the women are "submissive", I feel like that would make you happy.
The topic of older dancers has been beaten to hell on this forum but I definitely think there is a place for dancers into their 40's (and beyond?) as there is a good customer base for them. BBW is relative. If you are talking about dancers that weigh 200+ lbs I think its more of a gimmick. If you are talking "thick" I think that is the preferred aesthetic these days and rail-thin model type women are only the majority in a few places.
gameover
09-09-2016, 08:39 PM
BBW is a nice name for overweight or fat. Seeing them in a club will make me seek out other clubs. I don't care if they cam, but if they are in a club, it is impossible to avoid seeing them on stage. A requirement for dancing is being fit and toned. If you aren't, you aren't qualified to dance and shouldn't be in the club. Too many fat dancers in a club will hurt other dancers in the club by driving away customers. If you are overweight and want to dance, lose some damn weight. Sorry, but I can see nude women everywhere. Gorgeous, fit, women. I don't want to waste a club visit watching fat women dancing. That may sound harsh, but frankly, there are some women in the clubs I'd pay NOT to have to see naked.
DonaDiabla
09-09-2016, 09:52 PM
Sorry but I do not understand why you got to body shame anyone. Frankly, you can just pass up the plus size women for the thin ones.I really do not understand why men are so critical when it comes to that. It is enough fit and young strippers for men to choose from. Let guys who enjoy the BBW or whomever type of dancers get their kicks. It is that simple and stop acting like you can see nude girls everywhere. I doubt that you are that hot and that loaded. Real talk :)
BBW is a nice name for overweight or fat. Seeing them in a club will make me seek out other clubs. I don't care if they cam, but if they are in a club, it is impossible to avoid seeing them on stage. A requirement for dancing is being fit and toned. If you aren't, you aren't qualified to dance and shouldn't be in the club. Too many fat dancers in a club will hurt other dancers in the club by driving away customers. If you are overweight and want to dance, lose some damn weight. Sorry, but I can see nude women everywhere. Gorgeous, fit, women. I don't want to waste a club visit watching fat women dancing. That may sound harsh, but frankly, there are some women in the clubs I'd pay NOT to have to see naked.
DonaDiabla
09-09-2016, 09:58 PM
Ummm... you seem like another idiot who does not understand how strip clubs work. You go there, search for the type of girl you enjoy, get a dance from that same girl, treat her with respect, have fun, and leave. Spend money on your favorite :) I really do not get why you are going to the strip club to be treated like a king. Something is lacking at home if you go to the strip club for that :)
To be honest my personal preference is a young girl in her 20's who has a spinner type build. BUT, looks are just skin deep.
Although that is what I am most attracted to, I often find myself passing over those girls because of other factors: bad personality, too pushy and mean, poor communication skills, don't like way I am being treated, insanely high prices, non negotiable, etc.
Looks are important, but I will put more weight into other factors that I will use to prejudge in my head how well the club experience will be with that girl. Most guys probably care most about looks, not me. She can be the hottest girl in the club but if she treats me like crap I will pass her up for a less attractive girl who treats me like I am her king and puts me on a pedestal. The way I am treated is by far the biggest factor I use to pick a dancer to spend money on.
whirlerz
09-10-2016, 08:24 AM
My take is you sound waay too picky, as was pointed out, it's a strip club, you're not buying a wife, or is that what you're going for?
November_Scorpio
09-11-2016, 08:32 PM
Maybe my choice of words could be better, things tend to get misinterpeted. When I said "submissive" I meant a girl who lets the man take charge and be in control. In no way do I mean a girl should be treated like a slave? Need a girl from a third world country? A mail order bride lol getting a little too far fetched here ? Cmon why this jumping to false conclusions and attacking? Umm the way I was raised the man takes charge and all males in family took charge of the family, so it feels unnatural to me any other way. Like my girlfriend lets me be in charge and make the decisions like my ex-wife. I guess I should of used a different word then submissive it was really misconstrued to mean some outrageous things lol.
When I said I like to be treated like a King, I mean spoil me a little. Like umm when I got to club Atlantis the club treats me like a king. They valet park your car, they treat you like royalty is entering the door. They ask where like to sit and find a seat for you. They ask you what waitress you will like and they ask you what is the body type of the kind of dancer you like. They bring the dancer to you and say here you go sir this dancer fits the body type you described. That is what I meant by being treated like a king. They do the exact same thing at Club Allure, Polekatz and many Chicago clubs. It is just like when go to any fancy restaurant. They treat you like a king when you enter. They valet park your car, find a seat for you, ask you if there is anything else they can do for you. Maybe when I said treated like a king should of used a different word, again my language seems to have been misinterpreted to mean what I didn't mean at all.
gameover
09-11-2016, 08:39 PM
Sorry but I do not understand why you got to body shame anyone. Frankly, you can just pass up the plus size women for the thin ones.I really do not understand why men are so critical when it comes to that. It is enough fit and young strippers for men to choose from. Let guys who enjoy the BBW or whomever type of dancers get their kicks. It is that simple and stop acting like you can see nude girls everywhere. I doubt that you are that hot and that loaded. Real talk :)
Men are very visual creatures. Just as we get great pleasure looking at beautiful women, seeing a fat or ugly one, can be very off putting. It really kills the mood. If a club has BBW's, I switch to a different club. Letting those BBW's dance hurts both the club and the other dancers. That is why upscale clubs have a higher bar for hiring.
With cam shows it is different. I can avoid those rooms with BBW's. In a club, I'm forced to see them on stage rotations. That's the difference.
Every woman is not qualified to be a dancer just because she has a vagina. They need the looks and personality for the job.
Just like not every guy can be an NFL player. Only those with the proper qualifications will be hired. And if they did hire someone with no talent, then the whole team would suffer. Who would pay to see games when the team sucked because the team's hiring process was focused on inclusiveness rather than qualifications.
gameover
09-11-2016, 08:40 PM
My take is you sound waay too picky, as was pointed out, it's a strip club, you're not buying a wife, or is that what you're going for?
Nope, not that picky, and not looking for a wife. Just not wanting to waste my time/dollars watching out of shape dancers. I'm going for a fantasy.
DonaDiabla
09-11-2016, 09:33 PM
First of all, not every man has the same and you do not speak for everyman. Stop trying to explain to me what men are like. I already know men are visual creatures. Just like you not like a certain type of women does not mean you speak for every man. I was talking about men who did not fall the same body standards that you are talking about. Secondly, strip clubs do not hire a whole bunch of BBW, Milfs, and Glifs. That leaves men with those desires out in the cold because they like those types of women. Men like yourself should stop bitching because you have so many choices in the world to be satisfied with. Also, a thin woman can be ugly as well and a BBW can be very beautiful.
Third, I am sure that many women will find you very off putting and ugly as well. So, I hope that you have tons of money and looks to make up for your "taste" I hope that you are at least 8 or have thousands of dollars to spend on 9 or 10.Just saying that you need to also know your limitations as a man before talking about someone being fat and ugly. I hope that you have the looks and/or money to backup your taste. :)
Men are very visual creatures. Just as we get great pleasure looking at beautiful women, seeing a fat or ugly one, can be very off putting. It really kills the mood. If a club has BBW's, I switch to a different club. Letting those BBW's dance hurts both the club and the other dancers. That is why upscale clubs have a higher bar for hiring.
With cam shows it is different. I can avoid those rooms with BBW's. In a club, I'm forced to see them on stage rotations. That's the difference.
Every woman is not qualified to be a dancer just because she has a vagina. They need the looks and personality for the job.
Just like not every guy can be an NFL player. Only those with the proper qualifications will be hired. And if they did hire someone with no talent, then the whole team would suffer. Who would pay to see games when the team sucked because the team's hiring process was focused on inclusiveness rather than qualifications.
KaraLynn
09-11-2016, 09:34 PM
The thing is, I've worked in clubs that had a couple of legitimate BBWs (I'm not talking about strip club's ideas of BBWs which seems to be any woman over 110 pounds lately, I'm talking about actual over 200 pounds BBWs) and yes I have heard guys complain about them, ask why they are working there, but at the same time they all seem to have a loyal following of customers who always spend money on them no matter what. Same with many of the milfs, gilfs, and other girls who don't fit your typical barbie stripper stereotype.
While these ladies might not attract all the guys who walk into the room and might not qualify for sports illustrated magazine they still make money. From what I've seen niche customers are very loyal customers. That's something to consider as well. You're not the only customer, just because you're not into something doesn't mean nobody else will be.
KaraLynn
09-11-2016, 09:36 PM
First of all, not every man has the same and you do not speak for everyman. Stop trying to explain to me what men are like. I already know men are visual creatures. Just like you not like a certain type of women does not mean you speak for every man. I was talking about men who did not fall the same body standards that you are talking about. Secondly, strip clubs do not hire a whole bunch of BBW, Milfs, and Glifs. That leaves men with those desires out in the cold because they like those types of women. Men like yourself should stop bitching because you have so many choices in the world to be satisfied with. Also, a thin woman can be ugly as well and a BBW can be very beautiful.
Third, I am sure that many women will find you very off putting and ugly as well. So, I hope that you have tons of money and looks to make up for your "taste" I hope that you are at least 8 or have thousands of dollars to spend on 9 or 10.Just saying that you need to also know your limitations as a man before talking about someone being fat and ugly. I hope that you have the looks and/or money to backup your taste. :)
I love and agree with everything you said here. It was everything I wanted to put into words in my post.
tempest666
09-12-2016, 12:11 AM
BBW is a nice name for overweight or fat. Seeing them in a club will make me seek out other clubs. I don't care if they cam, but if they are in a club, it is impossible to avoid seeing them on stage. A requirement for dancing is being fit and toned. If you aren't, you aren't qualified to dance and shouldn't be in the club. Too many fat dancers in a club will hurt other dancers in the club by driving away customers. If you are overweight and want to dance, lose some damn weight. Sorry, but I can see nude women everywhere. Gorgeous, fit, women. I don't want to waste a club visit watching fat women dancing. That may sound harsh, but frankly, there are some women in the clubs I'd pay NOT to have to see naked.
I'm inclined to play the devil's advocate here simply because I've gained a bit more weight than I'm comfortable with. It also depends on the type of club that you are going to. You can't go into your neighborhood dive and expect Helen of Troy to walk onstage.
Kitcatt
09-12-2016, 12:13 AM
I've always thought clubs were more "group think" opinions on what "every man" wants because guys are picking their preferences based on the judgment of men around them while cams is more "fuck, I love that and I'm alone, so I can REALLY enjoy what I like....my two cents
gameover
09-12-2016, 09:40 AM
The thing is, I've worked in clubs that had a couple of legitimate BBWs (I'm not talking about strip club's ideas of BBWs which seems to be any woman over 110 pounds lately, I'm talking about actual over 200 pounds BBWs) and yes I have heard guys complain about them, ask why they are working there, but at the same time they all seem to have a loyal following of customers who always spend money on them no matter what. Same with many of the milfs, gilfs, and other girls who don't fit your typical barbie stripper stereotype.
While these ladies might not attract all the guys who walk into the room and might not qualify for sports illustrated magazine they still make money. From what I've seen niche customers are very loyal customers. That's something to consider as well. You're not the only customer, just because you're not into something doesn't mean nobody else will be.
Let me give you an analogy. Let's say you started eating a beautiful bowl of sweet, fresh strawberries. After you eat a delightful strawberry, you notice that the one beneath it is moldy and rotten. Your appetite for the strawberries is gone in an instant, and you are unlikely to return to the restaurant when you have a craving for strawberries again.
DonaDiabla
09-12-2016, 09:59 AM
Oh yeah, I see now. Plus size and other types of women not to your desires are like rotten strawberries. Oh honey, I hope that you are hot and rich enough to make that analogy. Because if you are not hot nor rich enough to make that claim....then I would not throw shade. I hope that you are as handsome, rich, and big-dicked to make those analogies. It sounds like you are not but I am hoping. Because you need money to keep the ladies interested.:) You see, I can understand if you are a 9 with tons of income making that analogy but if you are 3, middle class, and past old age. Then that is like the crypt keeper demanding hot women at his peck and call, right? :)
Let me give you an analogy. Let's say you started eating a beautiful bowl of sweet, fresh strawberries. After you eat a delightful strawberry, you notice that the one beneath it is moldy and rotten. Your appetite for the strawberries is gone in an instant, and you are unlikely to return to the restaurant when you have a craving for strawberries again.
KaraLynn
09-12-2016, 10:09 AM
Oh yeah, I see now. Plus size and other types of women not to your desires are like rotten strawberries. Oh honey, I hope that you are hot and rich enough to make that analogy. Because if you are not hot nor rich enough to make that claim....then I would not throw shade. I hope that you are as handsome, rich, and big-dicked to make those analogies. It sounds like you are not but I am hoping. Because you need money to keep the ladies interested.:) You see, I can understand if you are a 9 with tons of income making that analogy but if you are 3, middle class, and past old age. Then that is like the crypt keeper demanding hot women at his peck and call, right? :)
LMFAO. Your posts just keep making my entire day. And yeah, Gameover, I understand that certain women aren't your type but I do think comparing them to rotten strawberries is more than a little bit harsh......if this is how you feel then just stick to super upscale clubs that only hire super skinny women. If you walk into a dive or a mid tier club known for having a variety of women you can't get disappointed when you see some that aren't your type and you don't care to fuck (also mentioned above in another post) and a lot of guys have their preference and are perfectly fine with just passing on girls who approach them who they aren't attracted to and grabbing dances with the ones they like. There's no need to let it ruin your entire strip club experience.
gameover
09-12-2016, 10:22 AM
Oh yeah, I see now. Plus size and other types of women not to your desires are like rotten strawberries. Oh honey, I hope that you are hot and rich enough to make that analogy. Because if you are not hot nor rich enough to make that claim....then I would not throw shade. I hope that you are as handsome, rich, and big-dicked to make those analogies. It sounds like you are not but I am hoping. Because you need money to keep the ladies interested.:) You see, I can understand if you are a 9 with tons of income making that analogy but if you are 3, middle class, and past old age. Then that is like the crypt keeper demanding hot women at his peck and call, right? :)
Hmm, I think the expression you are "pecking" for is "beck and call", not "peck and call". No, I don't date supermodels, but the women I do date are fit, like me. I do enjoy the fantasy of very attractive dancers, that's why I go to a strip club. I think a woman's body can be the most beautiful thing in the world. But an obese woman's body is a huge mood kill. People act like it is not a person's fault if they are overweight. It is. If you eat the number of calories your body needs, you will not gain weight. If you eat more, you will gain weight. If you exercise, you can eat more without gaining weight. Dancers are athletes. You don't see other overweight athletes. An overweight runner would never win a race.
tempest666
09-12-2016, 10:37 AM
Hmm, I think the expression you are "pecking" for is "beck and call", not "peck and call". No, I don't date supermodels, but the women I do date are fit, like me. I do enjoy the fantasy of very attractive dancers, that's why I go to a strip club. I think a woman's body can be the most beautiful thing in the world. But an obese woman's body is a huge mood kill. People act like it is not a person's fault if they are overweight. It is. If you eat the number of calories your body needs, you will not gain weight. If you eat more, you will gain weight. If you exercise, you can eat more without gaining weight. Dancers are athletes. You don't see other overweight athletes. An overweight runner would never win a race.
Hey if it's any consolation, you motivated me to go harder on my jog this morning. I gained weight over the course of a few months and it's nobody's fault but my own. I did this to myself, now I'm gonna undo it.
KaraLynn
09-12-2016, 10:57 AM
Hmm, I think the expression you are "pecking" for is "beck and call", not "peck and call". No, I don't date supermodels, but the women I do date are fit, like me. I do enjoy the fantasy of very attractive dancers, that's why I go to a strip club. I think a woman's body can be the most beautiful thing in the world. But an obese woman's body is a huge mood kill. People act like it is not a person's fault if they are overweight. It is. If you eat the number of calories your body needs, you will not gain weight. If you eat more, you will gain weight. If you exercise, you can eat more without gaining weight. Dancers are athletes. You don't see other overweight athletes. An overweight runner would never win a race.
Well, if you stick to upscale clubs you should be fine. Most upscale strip clubs have very strict weight requirements.
DonaDiabla
09-12-2016, 11:07 AM
Yeah, I mean peck and call. Crypt keeper is a zombie with little teeth left.So he would peck them over. Also, you still did not answer my question about you being handsome, rich, or having a big dick. So, I guess that is answer is no.I am saying that if you are not hot, rich, or have a big dick...then you should not be throwing stones.No one is claiming being fat is healthy here. So stop with your lies! Everyone knows that gaining weight is the person's fault.I was simply addressing your low-class behavior on this subject. You keep body shaming not only plus size women but other types of women as well. You are acting like BBW and other types of strippers hurt you. Then you have the nerve to act like every man desires what you desire. In addition, you want to dictated how clubs choose their dancers. Those non-Barbie type of dancers are not for men with your taste. Geez, no one gives a damn about your strip club fantasies outside of the strip club. No one in this thread asked you about your fantasies. Personally, I could care less about your boring 1980s playboy bunny fantasies. I am not making my money off those fantasies. :)
Being fit is not the same as being handsome nor rich,right? Are you rich, handsome, successful, and fit? If you can not say yes to all of those things, then you need to stop nagging about strippers' weight. I know for a fact....that you are not that hot and not that rich. Of course, you never date supermodels because you do not have money nor the looks. I mean you certainly sound too old to be a boy toy for the rich woman. Nor are you rich and powerful enough to get a supermodel nor actress. Let us not kid ourselves here. You complain about strippers because you have nothing else better to do. Thus, a man like yourself bitching and nagging about strippers'looks come as tacky and low-rent. It is not that serious. Just go to a high-end club and get the chicks you like, damn. Stop acting like you are going to see Victoria secret models and ex-playboy bunnies at every club. Also, you should make sure that you paid those hot strippers handsomely because you sound like a nightmare to deal with. That is my two cents on this subject :)
Hmm, I think the expression you are "pecking" for is "beck and call", not "peck and call". No, I don't date supermodels, but the women I do date are fit, like me. I do enjoy the fantasy of very attractive dancers, that's why I go to a strip club. I think a woman's body can be the most beautiful thing in the world. But an obese woman's body is a huge mood kill. People act like it is not a person's fault if they are overweight. It is. If you eat the number of calories your body needs, you will not gain weight. If you eat more, you will gain weight. If you exercise, you can eat more without gaining weight. Dancers are athletes. You don't see other overweight athletes. An overweight runner would never win a race.
gameover
09-12-2016, 12:51 PM
Yeah, I mean peck and call. Crypt keeper is a zombie with little teeth left.So he would peck them over. Also, you still did not answer my question about you being handsome, rich, or having a big dick. So, I guess that is answer is no.I am saying that if you are not hot, rich, or have a big dick...then you should not be throwing stones.No one is claiming being fat is healthy here. So stop with your lies! Everyone knows that gaining weight is the person's fault.I was simply addressing your low-class behavior on this subject. You keep body shaming not only plus size women but other types of women as well. You are acting like BBW and other types of strippers hurt you. Then you have the nerve to act like every man desires what you desire. In addition, you want to dictated how clubs choose their dancers. Those non-Barbie type of dancers are not for men with your taste. Geez, no one gives a damn about your strip club fantasies outside of the strip club. No one in this thread asked you about your fantasies. Personally, I could care less about your boring 1980s playboy bunny fantasies. I am not making my money off those fantasies. :)
Being fit is not the same as being handsome nor rich,right? Are you rich, handsome, successful, and fit? If you can not say yes to all of those things, then you need to stop nagging about strippers' weight. I know for a fact....that you are not that hot and not that rich. Of course, you never date supermodels because you do not have money nor the looks. I mean you certainly sound too old to be a boy toy for the rich woman. Nor are you rich and powerful enough to get a supermodel nor actress. Let us not kid ourselves here. You complain about strippers because you have nothing else better to do. Thus, a man like yourself bitching and nagging about strippers'looks come as tacky and low-rent. It is not that serious. Just go to a high-end club and get the chicks you like, damn. Stop acting like you are going to see Victoria secret models and ex-playboy bunnies at every club. Also, you should make sure that you paid those hot strippers handsomely because you sound like a nightmare to deal with. That is my two cents on this subject :)
Well, I'm not sure what in my post qualifies as a lie. I do think the term BBW, if anything, is a lie. It's just a politically correct term for fat. Given that strippers earn their money off their looks, I'm not sure why I shouldn't expect them to be at the top of their game. I mean, I'm supposed to spend $40 on a lap dance on someone I don't find sexy? You are right, you don't have to care about my opinions. But the reason the better clubs are strict on hiring because the customers' opinions are important. And to respond to the post topic, "Is there a place for BBW dancers?", in my opinion, there is not.
I'm not sure why you are so obsessed with my looks. Most strippers only care about the cash we spend. I'm actually reasonably handsome, I'm a software developer and earn quite a good living, though I'm certainly not rich, and my penis size is just a bit above average in size. If you are really that obsessed, I could send you a pic :)