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DiamondCupcakes
08-24-2012, 02:16 PM
I was able to log in to camtv.com with my custy account but didnt use it on my tv so couldnt get a tv access code to view the full site. I will try it on my tv downstairs later and let you guys know what I find.
Blovely
08-24-2012, 03:00 PM
As soon as I saw the subject I was like fuck no. I noticed that they didn't say whether or not will be paid for the pay-per-view. Sounds like another way from them to wallet rape our wallets. Now all the tech requirements/problems make sense. This is why I never will or have trusted SM.
HaydenBlue
08-24-2012, 03:01 PM
Sounds like they are trying to compete with iPleasureStreams?
SarahTime
08-24-2012, 03:02 PM
I am really interested in seeing how this looks from the "producers" end. And why the hell are they calling them "producers" and not customers?? lol. They're not producing shit.
The producers are the people from the television network, I would assume similar to the "owners" of SM. They are not members or customers, rather they are the ones running the business.
Sam38g
08-24-2012, 05:38 PM
I am negative about this. I will be honest.
this is like those ads we see for jobs where they tell you what you NEED to have in order to work with them, but they dont tell you how much they;re willing to pay.
So how can one decide if they want to work for them?
Cant.
Tell me exactly what you;re going to give me.
and I can tell you exactly yes or no.
Or maybe they want control so that girls are NOT doing super cheap shows. Especially if it is pay-per-view tv, why would the billing company, the cable company & SM want girls to do just $1 to $5 shows. They might need them to be a bit more than some girls are currently doing them at now. :)
That would be my assumption.
Smooches,
Sam
OJenni!
08-24-2012, 06:05 PM
Wait a second...how exactly does this work?
So does this mean that every time I put up a gold show I will make goal since I opted in? How will I know if a producer contacts me? Will there be some sort of message across the screen? What happens?
SarahTime
08-24-2012, 06:50 PM
Wait a second...how exactly does this work?
So does this mean that every time I put up a gold show I will make goal since I opted in? How will I know if a producer contacts me? Will there be some sort of message across the screen? What happens?
I have already done one show for TV... there will be a pop up offering you a show with a pre set goal, buy in, and duration. You can accept or decline. It is very clear to you as the performer when there is a TV offer up for you to do.
You are only guaranteed the goal in the TV Gold shows, NOT in standard Gold Shows.
OJenni!
08-24-2012, 07:08 PM
I have already done one show for TV... there will be a pop up offering you a show with a pre set goal, buy in, and duration. You can accept or decline. It is very clear to you as the performer when there is a TV offer up for you to do.
You are only guaranteed the goal in the TV Gold shows, NOT in standard Gold Shows.
So do you have to be in a gold show countdown already to get a TV offer? Or can you just be in standard party chat?
lewandowskaewelina
08-24-2012, 09:39 PM
Hey girls. I haven't tried it yet, but i would like to share my thoughts about this with you. I think its unfair that we are getting paid an average of our past gold shows, so lets say your average is 50$ (ur cut) and in reality 200 or 500 people are really paying to see this show and u getting paid only 50$ !!!!! (no matter how many people watching you), and how much money they paid for it, we will never know !!!! They kinda rape our money and we dont even know about it !!! If they would be fair, they would let us set our own price, and if they wanna send us a request for TV Gold Show they can, if not then no. So we should have the rights to control cause we know better how much we are worth specially ON TV. Where everyone WORLDWIDE can see us, and geo-restriction wont be available for us anymore. I do care about my future, and there are some girls that dont, and i totally understand it. But i believe they will make muchhhh more money off our shows thru TV.
Its kinda like they give us Their "Hand" but they take away the "whole ARM" u know.....
Secondly it is a good opportunity, for many models those who are very hard working and keep on going, keep on trying, and keep on doing gold shows. I think for some models who dont really have problems to reach their gold countdowns this wont be profitable cause they are already making "Bank". So for them it wont do any better.
My last thought is that they should let us set our own RATE for the TV Gold Shows cause we are paying a huge price by having our geo-restriction unable. If they wanna offer us a request than it better should be good OFFER.
What do u think?
SarahTime
08-24-2012, 09:42 PM
I haven't tried it yet, but i would like to share my thoughts about this with you. I think its unfair that we are getting paid an average of our past gold shows, so lets say your average is 50$ (ur cut) and in reality 200 or 500 people are really paying to see this show and u getting paid only 50$ !!!!! (no matter how many people watching you), and how much money they paid for it, we will never know !!!!
I did a show already, and this is completely inaccurate.
You are paid for EVERY SINGLE PERSON who joins your show. If you surpass the goal, you are paid for EVERY SINGLE PERSON who joins. You are guaranteed AT LEAST your goal amount but you are paid more if you make past the goal.
Essentially they are offering us what we are "worth" to them. If you are not a model who makes high goals on her own, or at least makes A LOT of money in private chats.... they simply are not going to offer you a high amount. Why would they?
lewandowskaewelina
08-24-2012, 10:02 PM
ok in this case it awesome, cause u getting paid guaranteed flat rate plus other customers commission, thanks for straightening that up!!!
laurielegs
08-24-2012, 10:30 PM
I feel better about it now that I see they are paying hosts for every single viewer!
OJenni!
08-24-2012, 11:41 PM
I am wondering how often this option will come up for some of us. I mean is it once an hr, etc?
AmyySativa
08-25-2012, 04:19 AM
I've already done this. I was sent a request yesterday. I usually run $100 gold shows. My show was set for $113 as the ultimate goal. In my earnings, they sent me more than that though (not sure why... not complaining either)
The only thing I am a little iffy about is having to turn the music off. It was awkwardly quiet with no music, and dancing to nothing,
Incantatious
08-25-2012, 04:36 AM
Oh god I want to do this now...
I must ask just how profitable it has been for those who have already had experience with them however.
How do you feel about these shows in comparison to regular GOLD shows? Do you prefer them?
(Aaaand some more questions, I'm afraid!)
- Is the set-up for the TV thing any different to usual? (As in interface)
- How do the producers contact you? (A message just like any other SM Support message or otherwise?)
- Was your experience much different to any other GOLD show in any way?
- Did your computer have any problems handling the show? (Especially for girls who have had encoder / GS problems! Or those who DO NOT have i7 processors).
- Or was the running the show in any way more taxing on your computer / laptop than a regular GOLD show?
Thank you for any input, ladies. And congratulations on them if they were a success for you!
[EDIT] - Does anybody know if there any way to find out how much traffic this TV show gets in a specific country?
A bit like Alexa.com for TV or something?
For those like myself, who are tempted, I figure that finding out exactly how much traffic this TV station (it is an actual TV station, right?) gets in any particular country may be very helpful in assessing how big of a risk it may be to performers this feature is desirable to.
Juliette25
08-25-2012, 08:06 AM
Sorry if this has been answered. Do you have to be in party chat to receive a request?
Fridays
08-25-2012, 08:35 AM
in reality 200 or 500 people are really paying to see this show and u getting paid only 50$ !!!!! (no matter how many people watching you)
This is my thinking too.
In other words..
YES we would be getting paid for the extra people who join from the website, but what about the extra people that join by using their TV, paying with the TV remote? like you pay in a motel for porn? cause thats exactly what this is.
How many motels/hotels that offer this channel exist in the US?
Thousands?
What are the odds that from thousands of hotels 100 people join in?
Probable.
Is there ANY way to know for a FACT how many people join this way?
People who would join by using their TV remote to buy in the show,,, WOULD NOT have a username.. right?
Cause they are not a member of a site to have a username..
SO they would be invisible to the model?
Yea, this does not sit well with me....
And to top this off:
from a business stand point, it does NOT make sense for a company to hand out $50 ( lets say- u need $50 to reach your goal) IF they are not making back THAT x ALOT!.
I hightly doubt a TV production company is worried with $50.. $20 here and there... Its gotta be thousands of $$ that they are concerned about..and are after.
Are you seeing seeing thousands of $$ in your earnings too?
DiamondCupcakes
08-25-2012, 08:37 AM
super excited about this =) wanna cam just to see if I can try it out!
lewandowskaewelina
08-25-2012, 08:40 AM
I am wondering how often this option will come up for some of us. I mean is it once an hr, etc?
yea still wondering the same thing/ is there a limit for a day ? or like once an hour? or once a day? or all the time ?
could someone share? Of course all of us would have to try anyway so we know better, it might not gonna work for everyone the same way...
GracieBlue
08-25-2012, 08:50 AM
I'm intrigued! I opted in. I'm not much of a gold show girl so I dont think I will get many requests. Maybe I should try some with high goals to get more established.
laurielegs
08-25-2012, 08:53 AM
I've already done this. I was sent a request yesterday. I usually run $100 gold shows. My show was set for $113 as the ultimate goal. In my earnings, they sent me more than that though (not sure why... not complaining either)
From what I understand the TV guys pay the same as the web guys, so you got paid the extra amount that the TV guys added to your show.
Did it tell you the total amount of guys in the show? That should show in your stats page I'm thinking. I'm wondering also does it show you who is a TV guy and who is a site member in your stats?
laurielegs
08-25-2012, 08:56 AM
People who would join by using their TV remote to buy in the show,,, WOULD NOT have a username.. right?
If you look at the camtv site, you do have to sign up and have a username. Not sure if/ how it's showing in chat though.
I feel a bit disappointed in the total earnings ppl are reporting. Seems like it would be huge. Maybe it's not popular yet?
Fridays
08-25-2012, 08:58 AM
I'm wondering also does it show you who is a TV guy and who is a site member in your stats?
Im gonna be really pissed off if one of the models who does this TV show figures out that she did NOT get paid for an extra of 100 viewers.........
kittykrane
08-25-2012, 09:01 AM
I'm going to opt in for it too. It can't hurt to try it. If I don't like it, I have a good crowd for privates and exclusives, better than the gold show group anyhow. I do wonder how long of a show we will have to do? If it's based on my past averages, I'm not too worried about it. I usually have a show goal of 80-150 range. Not much, but I'm only doing 5-7 minute shows. Most of the time, I don't hit my goal, so I will happily take a guaranteed rate rather than starting that darn timer over. I will be annoyed though if the pre-show timer is too long, like 20 or 30 minutes, and I'm only doing a short show. I usually only set a timer of 10 minutes max, if even for a 5 minute show. I also like the restriction on the toys, so viewers can't ask for gonzo stuff.
I am curious though as to what happens if our internet connection craps out during a gold show. That doesn't happen often, but it has a few times for most of us I'm sure. I sure hope we won't lose that guaranteed rate 'cos SM cuts us off, as it's been doing a lot lately even though my ISP connection is intact. It appears that if even if we do opt-in, if our streaming settings aren't running up to speed, then we won't get offered a tv performance anyhow. As long as I still can do my privates, it's all good. And I'm not too worried about the free chat guys; I never keep that window and their demands visible, so I just talk to the regular guys.
Fridays
08-25-2012, 09:04 AM
If you look at the camtv site, you do have to sign up and have a username. Not sure if/ how it's showing in chat though.
whats the site's name?
SO there are 2 things here
1. people join from the site.- username
2. people join from their TV.- no username
I purchased porn in a hotel before. Movies. ok.
No username.
Just the credit card # and thats it.
Is this the case here?
Are they even honest to say this in the "details of the agreement"?
Doubt it.
Think about it
Still doesnt make sense and here is why:
Lets say someone whos browsing the porn offers see this Gold show going on on TV..
How much time they have to sign up with a username?
1 minute? 2 min?
It takes longer than that..
u need to enter an email adress,, bla bla..
So it makes no sense to want to get LOTS of viewers and QUICK and make them register.
there is no time for that when the show is starting in 30 sec... or already started!
Avamonet
08-25-2012, 09:45 AM
From what I've seen (and done), what they offer is pretty consistent with what we were already offering anyway. I don't do gold shows often at all but I did opt in for this and what I was offered was exactly what I normally do in my countdowns. And from what other girls have reported, it seems to be the same. I've only done one and I didn't make the entire goal and yes I was paid the difference.
Were you happy with what they offered, as in the goal, countdown timer, show length etc???? I'm just curious as to how long they want us to do it for 'cos I don't want to sit there longer than I normally do when I offer GoLD shows. Did you make the goal or end up having to get the backearning to make up for it?
Avamonet
08-25-2012, 09:48 AM
Sorry if this has been answered. Do you have to be in party chat to receive a request?
Yes, you have to be in party chat in order to receive a request.
GracieBlue
08-25-2012, 09:54 AM
Nice! Do you have to be doing a gold show countdown?
Yes, you have to be in party chat in order to receive a request.
Avamonet
08-25-2012, 09:58 AM
Nice! Do you have to be doing a gold show countdown?
No the offer has to come from them. So even if you are doing a gold show countdown and get a request from them, you would have to cancel the initial one and accept theirs.
GracieBlue
08-25-2012, 10:02 AM
Ok makes sense. Thanks so much for the info!
No the offer has to come from them. So even if you are doing a gold show countdown and get a request from them, you would have to cancel the initial one and accept theirs.
laurielegs
08-25-2012, 10:16 AM
whats the site's name?
SO there are 2 things here
1. people join from the site.- username
2. people join from their TV.- no username
Maybe i'm wrong but I was going by what's on the page there - It asks for an email, password and under that it says "TV access code", and looks like there is a separate site for web users that's just a whitelabel.
Has anyone tried signing up? I don't have adult channels on my cable, just the basic stuff.
Seems like anyone with the premium cable with adult channels should see it on there, right?
CinnimonKiss
08-25-2012, 10:38 AM
Of course there is a catch to all this. Think......WHY would they pay your goal regardless if you make it or not? wtf right? They must be making a lot of t.v Goldshows, more viewers watever it may be..its fishy to me. lol
Fridays
08-25-2012, 10:41 AM
I actually emailed SM and told them I want to be paid $5k per show.
Anything under and Im not doing it.
they replied saying they dont guarantee any income and I can opt out.
I wasnt even in.. lol
You cant guarantee me any income?
Yet you deff guarantee yourself that you will make a ton of profit off my shows on TV.......
(otherwise you;d not pay me the extra $ just to start the show)...
No thanks.
I feel my intelligence is being insulted now...... lol
SarahTime
08-25-2012, 10:59 AM
Fridays I really just don't think people are viewing who are not paying. TV members DO have usernames, just as Internet viewers do. This is not then same as ordering a porn movie on TV.
I emailed Liz for clarification to see if every single person viewing the show is paying the gold show price... Waiting to hear back. My assumption is that she is going to confirm that yes every person viewing is paying our gold show price, just as online.
There have not been thousands of people joining the shows that have happened because this is literally brand new, there are not thousands of TV viewers yet.
ManyRoses
08-25-2012, 11:05 AM
I wish the the multi-quote button worked with my system (for some reason, I've never managed to get it going) because there are so many comments I want to respond to!!
A major point is for the girls talking about being on a TV as opposed to a computer screen - the size, the ability to DVR, etc. If you have a media server running through a game system, you can already watch SM on a TV. I've done it! So guys are already watching you in widescreen......and as for DVR - well, we are already recorded left, right, and center. As far as I am concerned, what's one other way to do this? Its not like its going to make a massive impact, and the guys who are recording via DVR aren't going to be able to spread it all over the interwebs, they'll just have it for themselves. Bonus, really.
I'm going to opt in, and see if anything pops up today, and let you guys know how it goes. Not sure what my "average" would be, as I don't do shows very often, but I will pretty much take guaranteed money, no questions asked.
I wonder what it is about my personality that I really don't care if the site is making more money off of me, as long as I get the money I need.....I'm guessing that the ability to guarantee goals is less to do with them "stealing" from us, and more to do with making up the extra through the new tv memberships, or possibly just taking a calculated risk - if we have a goal of $100, we get $35, no matter what. If we hit that goal, they make a profit of $65. If we don't hit the goal, but hit most of it, they are STILL making a profit, just a smaller one. And if we consistently fall really far back on our goals (so that they wouldn't be making a profit) they will remove the option for us (same as if we refuse too many shows, etc etc). Given that they are basing goals on what we have proven we can make, the chances of them losing money on a show is actually pretty slim, and at most, they would lose a small amount of money on a small amount of shows, and then cut you off from the tv option. It's a very small risk when compared to the potential benefits - new market (thus far, only iPleasurestreams seems to exist in the TV market, and they are limited to casinos), potentially vast new customer base, more brand recognition, greater diversity to protect the company, and most likely, more money.
I really don't think that this is some kind of scam, or them trying to steal our money or screw us over (at least, not any more than all cam sites already do, by taking an enormous cut of profits!! LOL). I actually think that it is a pretty sound concept.
And if the money isn't enough, you can always turn down the offer! It's not as though you opt in, and then are forced to do every show they pop up, no matter what the goal is! You are free to opt in and see what they set as a goal, and then if it is really low, opt out again, do a bunch of gold shows with higher goals to raise your average, and opt back in again.
The more I think about this, the more stoked I am!!!
SarahTime
08-25-2012, 11:09 AM
For what it's worth... here is my logical assumption as to why they are paying a guaranteed goal...
A person viewing from their TV is viewing ONE gold show that the producer is choosing at that time. They do not have the option, as they do online, to surf the rooms and look for various girls. Therefore, they have one option - who ever the producer is featuring at the moment. They likely do not want to pick a girl who has a goal and then not reach the goal, only to have her restart and restart and restart... taking up the time on their TV channel and leaving a guy sitting there in front of his TV waiting to reach the goal... for how long? When you are the ONLY girl being offered at the time... they are not going to want to waste the time. They want to offer the show to their viewers and make sure that it DOES go through for the ones that PAID the gold show price, without making them wait and wait and wait to try and reach the goal.... only to never reach it or to take hours to get there.
An easy way to solve this not reaching the goal and having to restart thing, is to offer the girl being show on TV at the time, a guaranteed goal. This is why we do not get to choose the goal, but rather they are offering us a goal based on our averages that we have been making on our own in the past. If this TV thing really picks up, they will be making far more by customers on TV or online, paying to reach the entire goal rather than the producer having to make up the difference.
I guess I am not understanding the theme of assuming that THOUSANDS of people are watching our gold shows.... for free? This is not the case. You can know that it's not the case by thinking... say you run a TV Gold Show and you DO reach the goal they offer. Since internet viewers can contribute to the same show that TV viewers can contribute to, what if ONLY internet viewers pledge and reach the goal and then the producer does not have to make up any of the difference. That would mean what? That the producer is showing your gold show to "thousands" of viewers at absolutely zero cost? No. That is just not logical thinking ladies.
Like I said, I emailed Liz for specific clarification on this... and I would be utterly shocked if she came back saying that TV viewers are not individually paying the gold show buy in price... if that's the case I will retract all my statements and say WOW YOU GUYS WERE RIGHT! They are in this to make money... they don't make money if they are giving out free gold shows to every one who is on a particular channel. But.... I hardly doubt that will be what she says. Even so, I have a feeling many of you will still have doubt and assume they are lying to us.... for whatever reason.
toryburch
08-25-2012, 11:25 AM
Well I hate to be a party pooper, but this shit sounds shady as hell. I'm not opting in to this. I don't care if I'm guaranteed a payout for every gold show I do. I do not wanna be on Tv. Money isn't everything to me. I'll stick to pvts w/ my regular customers. If I wanted to be pornstar, I'd wouldn't have signed up with SM in the first place lol. There's gotta be a catch to this. There's always a catch to something in life lol. No one can tell me SM isn't gonna profit off of this bigtime. As for the models? eh.. maybe. But certainly not as much as SM will bank of PPV viewers.
To the ladies opting in, Good luck! :)
SarahTime
08-25-2012, 11:30 AM
Well I hate to be a party pooper, but this shit sounds shady as hell. I'm not opting in to this. I don't care if I'm guaranteed a payout for every gold show I do. I do not wanna be on Tv. Money isn't everything to me. I'll stick to pvts w/ my regular customers. If I wanted to be pornstar, I'd wouldn't have signed up with SM in the first place lol. There's gotta be a catch to this. There's always a catch to something in life lol. No one can tell me SM isn't gonna profit off of this bigtime. As for the models? eh.. maybe. But certainly not as much as SM will bank of PPV viewers.
To the ladies opting in, Good luck! :)
They can't bank without the models. They will "bank" by their TV viewers joining our shows. They will not "bank" by giving our shows away to viewers without requiring them to join the individual shows. What is so hard for everyone to understand about this concept? lol geez people lets use common sense....
ManyRoses
08-25-2012, 11:43 AM
Well I hate to be a party pooper, but this shit sounds shady as hell. I'm not opting in to this. I don't care if I'm guaranteed a payout for every gold show I do. I do not wanna be on Tv. Money isn't everything to me. I'll stick to pvts w/ my regular customers. If I wanted to be pornstar, I'd wouldn't have signed up with SM in the first place lol. There's gotta be a catch to this. There's always a catch to something in life lol. No one can tell me SM isn't gonna profit off of this bigtime. As for the models? eh.. maybe. But certainly not as much as SM will bank of PPV viewers.
To the ladies opting in, Good luck! :)
I have to say, this reminds me of the reactions of some girls when first stumbling upon cam sites. It must be a scam, it must be shady, it can't be true, why would they just pay you to do that? As we all know (seeing as we make our living on camsites) they aren't!
Of COURSE SM is going to profit from it - they wouldn't do it otherwise!!! But that doesn't mean that they are scamming girls to profit.....they aren't scamming us when we cam, and they make a HELLA profit! This industry can be so lucrative that with tens of thousands of girls working for them, why would they need to cheat and lie to make a big-ass profit? They can make that profit by doing exactly what they say they will....and seeing as they need the girls to make the money, why would they risk lying and cheating to make a little more? Risk the girls finding out and losing all of their money-makers? Models never profit as much as the sites do - but that is just how the industry works!!
I do absolutely agree with one thing though - I have no interest in being a porn star, and I find it really funny that they tout that as a big deal...."Be a TV Porn star!! Through SM!!". Yeah...no. But you can totes broadcast me wherever the heck you like - we already signed a contract to that effect, so go nutso-bananas on that one. But I'm opting in because I like the guaranteed goal part, not because I want to be a porn star! LOL
Fridays
08-25-2012, 11:49 AM
I guess I am not understanding the theme of assuming that THOUSANDS of people are watching our gold shows.... for free? This is not the case. You can know that it's not the case by thinking... say you run a TV Gold Show and you DO reach the goal they offer. Since internet viewers can contribute to the same show that TV viewers can contribute to, what if ONLY internet viewers pledge and reach the goal and then the producer does not have to make up any of the difference. That would mean what? That the producer is showing your gold show to "thousands" of viewers at absolutely zero cost? No. That is just not logical thinking ladies.
The assumption is that these EXTRA viewers... partially or totally ...are not paying you.
and only paying SM, camtv star or whatever this company is.
ONLY.
Is the TV industry that bad that TV production companies are looking for $50 extra...? per model? per show?
So they are going through all this trouble for $300 bucks? $1000 more per day? Anything less than $10 K more per day..
now we are talking... $10K and up... maybe....
Did Liz reply yet?
is there any proof for all this?
LOL...
Wait , we have no rights to know anything.. LOL
We;re just some stupid porn actresses...
CinnimonKiss
08-25-2012, 11:56 AM
I wonder what it is about my personality that I really don't care if the site is making more money off of me, as long as I get the money I need.....I'm guessing that the ability to guarantee goals is less to do with them "stealing" from us, and more to do with making up the extra through the new tv memberships, or possibly just taking a calculated risk - if we have a goal of $100, we get $35, no matter what. If we hit that goal, they make a profit of $65. If we don't hit the goal, but hit most of it, they are STILL making a profit, just a smaller one. And if we consistently fall really far back on our goals (so that they wouldn't be making a profit) they will remove the option for us (same as if we refuse too many shows, etc etc). Given that they are basing goals on what we have proven we can make, the chances of them losing money on a show is actually pretty slim, and at most, they would lose a small amount of money on a small amount of shows, and then cut you off from the tv option. It's a very small risk when compared to the potential benefits - new market (thus far, only iPleasurestreams seems to exist in the TV market, and they are limited to casinos), potentially vast new customer base, more brand recognition, greater diversity to protect the company, and most likely, more money.
I'm guessing that the ability to guarantee goals is less to do with them "stealing" from us, and more to do with making up the extra through the new tv memberships, or possibly just taking a calculated risk - if we have a goal of $100, we get $35, no matter what. If we hit that goal, they make a profit of $65. If we don't hit the goal, but hit most of it, they are STILL making a profit, just a smaller one.
WHAT?
Why would they wanna make less off of us per goldshow? or take the risk, cmon thats dumb.
"Hmmmm lets start up a t.v channel!!! but hey if the performer doesnt reach her goal will pay her what shes owed and have less of our own cut...oh well.."
They wouldnt start this up, and guarantee a goldshow goal unless they were making a lot more off it
SarahTime
08-25-2012, 12:05 PM
The assumption is that these EXTRA viewers... partially or totally ...are not paying you.
and only paying SM, camtv star or whatever this company is.
ONLY.
Is the TV industry that bad that TV production companies are looking for $50 extra...? per model? per show?
So they are going through all this trouble for $300 bucks? $1000 more per day? Anything less than $10 K more per day..
now we are talking... $10K and up... maybe....
Did Liz reply yet?
is there any proof for all this?
LOL...
Wait , we have no rights to know anything.. LOL
We;re just some stupid porn actresses...
Where is the assumption coming from that there will be extra viewers that we are not paid for? That part is what I am not understanding here.
SarahTime
08-25-2012, 12:07 PM
I'm guessing that the ability to guarantee goals is less to do with them "stealing" from us, and more to do with making up the extra through the new tv memberships, or possibly just taking a calculated risk - if we have a goal of $100, we get $35, no matter what. If we hit that goal, they make a profit of $65. If we don't hit the goal, but hit most of it, they are STILL making a profit, just a smaller one.
WHAT?
Why would they wanna make less off of us per goldshow? or take the risk, cmon thats dumb.
"Hmmmm lets start up a t.v channel!!! but hey if the performer doesnt reach her goal will pay her what shes owed and have less of our own cut...oh well.."
They wouldnt start this up, and guarantee a goldshow goal unless they were making a lot more off it
I honestly think that they anticipate enough TV and internet viewers joining the show and reaching the goal that they will not be having to do a lot of "making up" in the goal.
Therefore, just as online, every person is paying to join the show - and we are making 35% of every person who is viewing the show. They are making 65%. Business as usual.
ManyRoses
08-25-2012, 12:09 PM
The assumption is that these EXTRA viewers... partially or totally ...are not paying you.
and only paying SM, camtv star or whatever this company is.
ONLY.
Is the TV industry that bad that TV production companies are looking for $50 extra...? per model? per show?
So they are going through all this trouble for $300 bucks? $1000 more per day? Anything less than $10 K more per day..
now we are talking... $10K and up... maybe....
Did Liz reply yet?
is there any proof for all this?
LOL...
Wait , we have no rights to know anything.. LOL
We;re just some stupid porn actresses...
Just for ze fun of math....I feel like doing some!!
Lets take the number that you used (nice, round number) and say that producers are making $50 per show.
Now lets assume that the average show takes up 15 minutes, including the countdown. If they are running shows continuously (which they will be) that will be 4 shows an hour, so $200 an hour.
Given that this can be completely automated (auto-dial style), they can run shows 24/7.
In one day, that would mean making ($200 x 24) $4,800 per day. This can also run 365 days per year. Equaling $1,752,000 per year. FOR ONE CHANNEL/PRODUCER.
Now, given that the girls who are most likely to leap at this are probably those that are already making high gold show targets, and that they will probably make most of that target each time (if not more), averaging $50 per show is unrealistically low. As I type this, the front page has shows with goals of $200-400. Even assuming a goal of $200 that is averaged and mostly met, the producer is more likely to be making a profit of $100 or so per show. So....just over 3.5 MILLION in a year. Again, that is for one single channel.
Given that SM will presumably try to expand to several channels and get into hotels/casinos etc (like iPleasurestreams), they could be making ten times that.
And given that the infrastructure is all in place, and they are making models carry the cost of the increased technology and upload requirements, they are going to be dealing with a seriously high profit margin - the only increased expense would be the cost of the channels, and maintaining the new technology behind it, neither of which are going to be huge expenses, especially considering that they already have the staff to deal with it.
Even if they are splitting these profits with TV companies, that's still a DAMN good profit for very little outlay or risk. Again, I see no reason to scam, given the numbers.
And if they ARE intending to scam girls by not showing people in their rooms/goldshows, why would they limit themselves to just the new TV stuff? It would be INCREDIBLY easy to just block certain guests from showing up in your room, and take all their money directly. The only way that we know who is in our goldshows is if we see the name pop up in our room. Run an algorithm that "hides" every...say...5th guest and contribution, and they could easily be scamming us already. I don't think that they are, I'd just like to point out that if they wanted to, why would they limit themselves to the TVservice?
Fridays
08-25-2012, 12:32 PM
that makes sense, ManyRoses.. :)
GracieBlue
08-25-2012, 12:38 PM
Well said Sarah.
They can't bank without the models. They will "bank" by their TV viewers joining our shows. They will not "bank" by giving our shows away to viewers without requiring them to join the individual shows. What is so hard for everyone to understand about this concept? lol geez people lets use common sense....
Fridays
08-25-2012, 12:55 PM
why does this remind me of China cloths bought in bulk...
... pay 2 cents/item...
WHATEVER price/discount/sale/deal you will sell it for....you will BANK!
ManyRoses
08-25-2012, 01:00 PM
I'm guessing that the ability to guarantee goals is less to do with them "stealing" from us, and more to do with making up the extra through the new tv memberships, or possibly just taking a calculated risk - if we have a goal of $100, we get $35, no matter what. If we hit that goal, they make a profit of $65. If we don't hit the goal, but hit most of it, they are STILL making a profit, just a smaller one.
WHAT?
Why would they wanna make less off of us per goldshow? or take the risk, cmon thats dumb.
"Hmmmm lets start up a t.v channel!!! but hey if the performer doesnt reach her goal will pay her what shes owed and have less of our own cut...oh well.."
They wouldnt start this up, and guarantee a goldshow goal unless they were making a lot more off it
Taking a calculated risk is actually very smart. If they were guaranteeing us whatever WE chose to set, regardless of past earnings, it wouldn't make sense. If they were guaranteeing us whatever the goal was set at and were willing to continue paying out even if we consistently failed to make goal, that wouldn't make sense.
They are risking the occasional smaller profit in return for the probability of overall MUCH higher earnings, better company name, diversity, multiple income streams, and the probability that not only will the girls reach their goals, but that the wider customer base would lead to them exceeding them, and making more profit than they would just with online shows alone.
The entire industry is based on taking calculated risks, and usually, they pay off. In the long run, it absolutely makes sense to lose a few hundred bucks in the process of refining a product that will make thousands, or millions. In fact, refusing to take ANY risks with money, or lose ANY more at all, ever, is the "dumb" business strategy. That limits the company severely. Lets face it, paying for advertising is a calculated risk - you can't guarantee that the TV ad you spent thousands on will DEFINITELY earn back that money, but it's a good bet that it will, and the risk is worth the gain.
And remember, SM already swallows chargebacks. Why? Because they are kindhearted souls that don't want us to have to deal with them ourselves? AW HELL NO!!! Chargebacks are another scenario where SM loses money in order to profit in the end from better models, better reputation among models, and the ability to excuse taking a higher percentage. The sites that refuse to take on the risk, and pass chargebacks to models, are less successful. Looks like deciding to lose money helps them make bigger profits there, too.
ManyRoses
08-25-2012, 01:10 PM
why does this remind me of China cloths bought in bulk...
... pay 2 cents/item...
WHATEVER price/discount/sale/deal you will sell it for....you will BANK!
It also reminds me a little of how big-box stores work with undercutting....They actually sell certain products for less than cost, and LOSE money on them. But because they do that, they are seen as "providing great deals", they have a more loyal customer base, they sell more overall, and they make back that loss with the items that have a higher profit margin....which they sell more of because they have more customers because they give such great deals. It's called "loss leaders"...
The guys watching PPV on TV are shocked to see such a CHEAP option (the same per SHOW that other PPV sites charge per minute...), and go for it because it is cheap. SM gets to make a profit anyway, because then the same guys are going to return to them, and probably find them online so that they can get private shows too....where SM makes up a bunch of the money. And previous SM customers go to the SM TV because they know the girls and the set up for gold shows. More girls come to work for SM because it offers something no one else does, and guarantees earnings. All in all, they may be undercharging for the shows, and risking a smaller profit, but they will make up for it in other ways. (And lets face it, they will still be making an overall enormous profit!!!) Thus, SM TV is the Loss-Leader for SM.
AmyySativa
08-25-2012, 02:49 PM
Yes you do have to be in party chat mode and you also have to have your "Free Chat" Enabled. I didn't happen to see how many were viewing me other than how you normally see your gold show viewers, plus the 2 producers that were in there. they tipped me 3 separate times. I still have no idea as to weather the free chat chatters were from TV, or just free chatters.