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~Carmen~
01-18-2013, 08:19 PM
I got tagged 'come back plz'. what does this mean?! I never left guy in pvt halfway or gone long time. haha.

Someone probably tagged you when you were offline.

Glasses
01-18-2013, 11:09 PM
Yay I got my first tag. Apparently I'm rude. Now idk if I should keep it or not. And I'm wondering if it was the "illiterate idiot", or one of those who only saw my middle finger or some other...

Hysterical
01-18-2013, 11:34 PM
im lucky the only bad 1 I got was small tits which isn't true.
Hey! I have small tits :3 Some guys are into that. Although I personally wish I had bigger boobies so I'd attract less guys wanting me to be underage and so clothing would fit a little better.

The only tag I have so far is "braces" I've gotten an influx of guys claiming to be dentists! ha. In my head I'm like "I call bullshit." But as long as it brings traffic, I'm happy with it.

Hysterical
01-18-2013, 11:38 PM
-,- I just realized I had tags... Not just that they are all piercing related. Yes i have a few (3) piercings but I dont think thats really a good representation on me or my shows.

Incantatious is right, we should be able to delete or at least self moderate tags a bit.
I want some piercing related tags, I have 6 piercings, when I repierce my nipples and get my VCH done I'll have 9. That sounds like so many D:

Pippi_Hicks
01-19-2013, 02:30 AM
I had 21 tags earlier today, then this evening it was down to 20 and I can't remember which one is missing. And now some of my regulars are telling me that the new tags they're adding aren't showing up! I suspect that SM has changed something...

Also, I had this interesting exchange with one of my regulars who was having trouble getting his tags to show:
Him: Live Chat support told me that you have to approve tags before they appear on your profile.
Me: Uh, no - I can block them after they show up but I don't get any say as to whether they're approved.
Him: So Live Chat doesn't know what they're talking about?
Me: Yeah, that tends to be the case.

Perhaps we're going to be given tag approval in the semi-near future? Or, you know - then again maybe not.

cumslut4u
01-19-2013, 08:29 PM
Yay! I got my first tags today... (1) Big Tits (1) Sexy eyes

Pippi_Hicks
01-27-2013, 11:25 PM
This was my recent email exchange with support:

Me -
"Some members who regularly visit my room for private shows have said that they've tagged me but they can't see the tags show up on my profile - even when they check back the next day. Could you please approve any tags that have been applied to my profile but aren't showing up yet?"

Them -
"Tagging goes through an approval process that is not immediate. Once the tag has been approved, it will appear on your profile. This is a new feature and is still being tested in some capacity, so please bear with us on this adjustment."

Surprisingly some of the tags did show up. Not all, but some. (And the ones that didn't were not offensive - so I don't know what's going on there.) Maybe they're really trying to change things (with the tags)... the first response I received said that they had forwarded my message to the proper department.

MommieLongLegs
01-28-2013, 12:07 PM
So, I got my first tag. Guess I have a bad attitude. Yeah, when these bitches piss me off lol

Anyway, I emailed support:

Hello,

In the Tags section it says "Customers can "tag" you with keywords or phrases that describe your shows".

1. Why are they able to tag us with "words that describe our shows" without even paying for a show? They can't leave comments or ratings without paying for a show, so tags should be the same way.

2. Why can't the models tag themselves to better direct customers to their shows?

3. The tagging feature is nice, but non-paying people are using it as a way to leave comments without buying a show.

4. I don't like that we can't actually delete the bad tags, we can only hide them from public view so I still have to see the mean tags every time I look at the Tags page.

5. I don't like that we can't see who made the tags.


If Streamate would take these things into consideration, that would be great.

Their response:

Thank you for writing. The tags feature is still brand new so we appreciate your feedback and suggestions, we will be forwarding these to our development team for review. Thank you,
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I hope so because I don't like feeling like some douche who's mad I didn't show my feet for free can leave a mean tag anonymously and for FREE! And a lot of the tags I'm seeing on girls' profiles aren't even "tags" for real, just stupid comments. I mean, how is "druggy hoe" (yes that was someone's tag) describing the show or what's offered in the show? Come on now.

temptingmodel
01-28-2013, 02:36 PM
Their response:

Thank you for writing. The tags feature is still brand new so we appreciate your feedback and suggestions, we will be forwarding these to our development team for review. Thank you,
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I hope so because I don't like feeling like some douche who's mad I didn't show my feet for free can leave a mean tag anonymously and for FREE! And a lot of the tags I'm seeing on girls' profiles aren't even "tags" for real, just stupid comments. I mean, how is "druggy hoe" (yes that was someone's tag) describing the show or what's offered in the show? Come on now.
100% agree and 100% have the same copy and paste.

loveshooks
01-28-2013, 03:00 PM
^^^since sm support seems to be pretty blasé about this on the cam chica side of things, I wonder if it would help if y'all got your regulars to write in complaints to customer service?

I dunno if it would have an impact...I just figure that on the customer end of things, logging into a cam site and reading a whole bunch of negative and downright abusive ish on a chica's profile page is a bit of a buzz kill. Real customers won't be amused by that crap, only trolls. Really the only people served by the current system of immediately-published tags are the cellar dwellers and angry cam chicas who are posting this crap.

Could y'all create a form letter and send it to your best regs through the sm email system?

temptingmodel
01-28-2013, 03:33 PM
Would you be mad if I said "done that" and he got the same lol copy and paste which he thought was genuine. Poor thing

edit! he received the script about how we approve them

Cam_Model_Jess
01-28-2013, 08:04 PM
I think they must be doing something different. That, or the models have given up tagging me w/ abusive ish b/c I refresh my tags constantly all day long & caught every single one before it showed up on my page. Now all I have is nice ones :) I haven't been tagged in days. So either I wore them out or SM is trying to approve tags before they post them.

They totally went about this ass-backwards. I think that the concept is great. The execution, as usual, leaves much to be desired. Having US approve them, having blocked tags drop off our page after 48 hours (so we don't have to see the abusive stuff), & only allowing paying customers to tag us, are all great ways to make this a USEFUL feature to the site. I really hope they listen to model feedback.

DoodlebugBites
01-28-2013, 08:16 PM
I tag myself...

I go into my custie account, and I tag the crap out of myself.


So glad you said this first. I had done this already but was afraid to cop to it, LOL. I wanted to encourage certain tags in hopes people would select them. As it was I only had one: "Bubbly." I mean, not the worst ever but who the hell searches for that when they want to bust a nut? SMH.

laurielegs
01-28-2013, 09:07 PM
Woohoo! I got an "expensive" tag today!

Proud of that one. ;)

DoodlebugBites
01-28-2013, 09:59 PM
I'm hoping for "expansive." As well as "expensive." Looks like I have to log back in to my custie account, LOL.

MommieLongLegs
02-06-2013, 06:51 PM
I have a total of 3 tags, and they're all mean. nasty attitude, boring as f, too skinny.

I'm seriously thinking of leaving SM.

VoluptiousBriadda
02-06-2013, 10:46 PM
I have a total of 3 tags, and they're all mean. nasty attitude, boring as f, too skinny.

I'm seriously thinking of leaving SM.

: ( SMH

just block them girl! and do you have a customer account there? If so go tag yourself! If not,does anyone here know who you are on SM? Or do you have any model friends on SM that have custy accts also? You could ask them to do you a solid and tag you with 5 awesome ones! Do you have any regs that are loyal and sweet that would be willing to give you some nice tags if you asked?

Classy_Katy
02-07-2013, 12:14 AM
I have a total of 3 tags, and they're all mean. nasty attitude, boring as f, too skinny.

I'm seriously thinking of leaving SM.

Wow...and SM are authorising these first?

temptingmodel
02-07-2013, 12:18 AM
unfortunately yes, I forget if you cam sm or not but the pre approved is the drop box, if typed something different they review
Wow...and SM are authorising these first?

VoluptiousBriadda
02-07-2013, 12:24 AM
I tagged myself a week ago and i agree that the tags approval system is working,well to a certain degree anyways...

I gave myself 5 new tags but only 3 appeared immediately.Which I thought was odd,but I realized that the last two were not in the drop down when I started to type them.The other 3 came up in a drop down box after i started typing the first few letters of each word.Looking through that drop down list,it was extremely apparent that those tags have already been used on other models and were made by the customers (NOT just a drop down of pre-selected words that SM came up with on their own) My 4th tag has since been approved and added to my profile,but I'm still waiting for the 5th to be approved.I think its wise to note that the 5th tag is "Brat Princess".Which makes me wonder if someone at SM is looking at it,scratching their head,trying to decide whether this is a slanderous remark about my personality that should be denied or if its actually a fetish term theyre unaware of that they should allow lol

So,while its just my own personal opinion and may not be accurate,Ive come to the conclusion that if a comment has been used even once BEFORE the tagging approval process officially began,when any and everything was being approved automatically,then its in that drop down box and can be used immediately by other customers without being submitted for approval.BUT,if you type in a NEW tag that isnt in the drop down,or a variation of a word (such as brat princess if only brat is in the system) that isnt on there,then it gets submitted for approval first before showing up on your profile (and going into the drop down menu system for everyone else to use).

Summarized version-if its in the drop down menu,you're shit outta luck and they can tag you with it immediately,if its not then it has to be approved by SM first.But obviously,we can still block any tags that we disapprove of.

While its nice to see the approval process finally start to work,its also sad to see the plethora of derogatory tags that have slipped through the system that other customers can now/still use due to SM's utter failure to enforce its own policy after introducing their brand new toy to the world.Whats the term Im looking for again??..oh yea..EPIC FAIL!

It could always be worse though,atleast theyve started to use the approval process and we still have the ability to block tags.Some amount of good always comes from the bad,so hopefully the tags will eventually help all of us make more $$$ in the long term.As stated before by others,the potential is there (they just royally fucked half of it up for us first lol)

Classy_Katy
02-07-2013, 12:27 AM
unfortunately yes, I forget if you cam sm or not but the pre approved is the drop box, if typed something different they review

Not yet but I'm planning to join...this tags thing is really putting me off, name calling is like being back at school and I left there a long time ago.

It's shocking that SM allows their models to be bullied and verbally abused.

justanothercamgirl
02-07-2013, 12:37 AM
Models should be able to tag/keyword THEMSELVES. Duhhhh.

I know what I do, and what I offer. So we should be able to input our own keywords.

Besides being nasty towards us. What if some twat tags you as 'anal' and you don't do anal at all? Then you have 50 fuckwads going "WTFOMGANAL!?!" This tagging is bullshit and is giving customers and trolls too much power.

Helloooo shawn. Knock knock. Fix it please. Thanks.

You totally called this one Hay. I had a pissed off custie in my room today because someone tagged me with 'pregnant' when I obviously am not. The custie of course assumed that I had done all the tagging myself and wanted to know what was up with the false advertising.

Thanks a fucking lots Streamate. Not only do I have to deal with not a day going by that some asshat tags me with some abusive shit during a shift and I have to neurotically check my tags several times a day, I now have to deal with customers that are irrate and won't be going private with me because I 'lied to them'.

I fucking work my ass off and get to keep 35% and my reward is to be treated like this.

I am really thinking about trying my hand at MFC again. I am so tired of Streamate and its changes that obviously show they don't give two shits about the mental health of the models that work for them. First you make it almost impossible to ban people and now this.

Fuck you Streamate. Seriously, fuck you.

Classy_Katy
02-07-2013, 01:10 AM
Also, it's all very well that SM say you can block the tag but the model still has to see the comment and it can be hurtful. Ok, we're all responsible for our own reactions but this is encouraging abuse. They really need to go through that drop down list...

I can imagine the effect of being tagged with something insulting is worse than having a troll blurting out insults in chat...there is something more permanent and defining about a tag, you don't know who it came from and you have to keep checking to see what new insults may have appeared.

JAC that's really interesting, and terrible, the effect it's having regarding customers.

naughtycamgirl
02-07-2013, 01:45 AM
Do you get any notification tellig you that you have new tags to approve ? or does it just appear on your profile, and you need to keep checking to remove bad ones ? I am asking because I've seen a girl with a tag : ''teabag tits'' lol and a other bad tags like she stalks and fake anal ect on her profile, I was like why does she leave these tags on her profile !!??

temptingmodel
02-07-2013, 03:29 PM
check every hour or so when streaming. sucks balls
Do you get any notification tellig you that you have new tags to approve ? or does it just appear on your profile, and you need to keep checking to remove bad ones ? I am asking because I've seen a girl with a tag : ''teabag tits'' lol and a other bad tags like she stalks and fake anal ect on her profile, I was like why does she leave these tags on her profile !!??

justanothercamgirl
02-07-2013, 03:41 PM
Do you get any notification tellig you that you have new tags to approve ? or does it just appear on your profile, and you need to keep checking to remove bad ones ? I am asking because I've seen a girl with a tag : ''teabag tits'' lol and a other bad tags like she stalks and fake anal ect on her profile, I was like why does she leave these tags on her profile !!??

It just appears on your profile with no notification. I am sure the girl has no idea that she has been tagged so abusively.

TheBrownFox
02-07-2013, 04:00 PM
Some new negative tags I noticed on my SM profile today:

too dark
too skinny
tranny
ugly ass bitch
waste of money

I check my tags just about everyday and noticed these today, so I think one person left them all at the same time. I'm guessing it's a freeloading douchebag who's butthurt that he got banned from my room. I blocked every single one of those tags as soon as I saw them, and I hope it'll drive the troll CRAZY to see that they won't be appearing on my profile anymore...haha.

I remember someone on here saying that a model was even tagged with her real name...wtf. This tag feature was a dumbshit idea, in my opinion. Abusive guys on SM have enough power as it is by trolling our rooms and then being able to run away before being blocked. Now they get to abuse the tag feature by posting hateful comments on profiles. Ridiculous.

Incantatious
02-07-2013, 04:19 PM
It's so bad that they are either auto-approved, or SM deem it suitable for models to have abusive tags on their profiles, and left to sit in their tags section for them to see when they log in to work or whenever.

I'm exceptionally proud of my work on Streamate, (even to the point of wanting a Naiad tattoo to symbolize my connection with the site. Yeah, might seem silly, but SM has transformed my life beyond my wildest expectations), but at this rate, if I died tomorrow, my wonderful career, my "legacy" - my pride and joy Streamate profile where all the magic happened - could just be shat all over with these bullshit tags.. and be left forever like that...

I've made no bones about how proud I would be for my work to be perpetually available in some form on the internet, and how even after I die, guys could still be jerking to me. Yes, there is honestly something I love about that. But people stumbling across my profile and seeing hateful shit? No fucking way. Increasingly it seems likely that we may even be warning potential SM models about this new con to our job... ~

"People can leave abusive tags about you... these tags can be anything they want. The tags permanently sit in your box even if you block them from public view. You will need to check these as frequently as you can, as you can be tagged online OR offline. If you do not check them and moderate them, they will be freely available for all to see forever. You will need to be able to handle this..." - it's like a new form of trolling... Deplorable.

TheBrownFox
02-07-2013, 04:26 PM
You totally called this one Hay. I had a pissed off custie in my room today because someone tagged me with 'pregnant' when I obviously am not. The custie of course assumed that I had done all the tagging myself and wanted to know what was up with the false advertising.

Thanks a fucking lots Streamate. Not only do I have to deal with not a day going by that some asshat tags me with some abusive shit during a shift and I have to neurotically check my tags several times a day, I now have to deal with customers that are irrate and won't be going private with me because I 'lied to them'.

I fucking work my ass off and get to keep 35% and my reward is to be treated like this.

I am really thinking about trying my hand at MFC again. I am so tired of Streamate and its changes that obviously show they don't give two shits about the mental health of the models that work for them. First you make it almost impossible to ban people and now this.

Fuck you Streamate. Seriously, fuck you.


This. I decided that instead of doing 2 SM shifts per day, Monday through Friday I'm gonna do 3 hours of SM during the day, and 3 hours of MFC at night.

And that whole "We cannot block members for you" bullshit pisses me off too. I bet trolls on that site have a field day with the tags feature and the abusive comments in the chatrooms, because they know they can get away with it if they're fast enough. I looked at my tags just now and got the following tags:

too skinny
tranny
ugly ass bitch
waste of money

It's funny that I'm a 'waste of money' when I'm willing to bet the person who posted that has NEVER spent a dime on me...lol. If I'm such a waste of money, I'd have a lot of 1-star ratings and a shitload of negative member comments on my profile. No, I think it's more like "That bitch Fox wants me to pay 5 Gold for a flash, but my cheap, freeloading ass doesn't wanna pay, so she's a waste of money...waaahhh!!!"

Oops! I posted the thing about my negative SM tags twice...lol. My bad.

TheBrownFox
02-07-2013, 04:39 PM
Not that I expect it to make any difference, but I sent SM an e-mail expressing my concerns over the tags situation. They'll probably just tell me "You can block tags from your profile," but I wanted to just state my opinion on the matter anyway.

bigbootyjudy1
02-07-2013, 04:50 PM
This whole tag ordeal is getting out of hand.I really dont have time 2 stalk my profile just 2 make sure i dont get nothing crazy said about me.

MommieLongLegs
02-07-2013, 05:02 PM
: ( SMH

just block them girl! and do you have a customer account there? If so go tag yourself! If not,does anyone here know who you are on SM? Or do you have any model friends on SM that have custy accts also? You could ask them to do you a solid and tag you with 5 awesome ones! Do you have any regs that are loyal and sweet that would be willing to give you some nice tags if you asked?

I blocked them as soon as I saw them, but it really annoys me that I have to see that shit every time I check my tags. I don't think anyone here knows who I am. I have geo restriction but I tagged myself through my cammodels link twice, but the tags never appeared.
My regs have disappeared since December. There's only one I think who still comes around, but it's only like once a month and stays an hour. At the end of the day, sm sucks ass for me now, especially with these tags, so I'm back on mgf and looking at imlive or mfc.

I emailed them with the tags I got and said they need to check the 'pre-approved' tags. They just said "Thanks for your feedback!". They don't give a shit and now I'm on to new adventures.

JuliaX
02-07-2013, 06:22 PM
The tag system is complete BS as implemented now. I have only 2 of them. One is just normal, the other one is „overpriced“ and obviously comes from a freeloader, because the night when I got it, I only had 2 long time regulars in pvt and they did not tag me. So why does SM say this: „Customers can "tag" you with keywords or phrases that describe your shows. This feature helps other members find shows they are most likely to enjoy—including yours!“ What show? That show ass/tits, BB guy never had a show with me.

But I have seen a really frightening thing too, though it happened 2 weeks ago, so SM might have changed it. I was not online for 2 days, but I used to check my mails there and I clicked on the tags too. And suddenly – out of nowhere – I had a MILF tag there. MILF is surely pre-approved and there is nothing wrong with that (even though it disappeared in a few hours), but it scares me to death that random guys are eventually able to tag me with whatever 24/7, even if I am not online.

Since then when I wake up... I check my tags, when I come home... I check my tags, when I am about to go to bed... I check my tags. Thank you SM, this is exactly what performers need. Give even more power to those cheapos!

TheBrownFox
02-07-2013, 06:29 PM
I got a reply from Liz, which is nice because I do appreciate responses that seem genuine, as opposed to the copy/paste responses:


Thanks for the input - Tags have been a popular topic these days. In general tags are subjective - and its difficult for reviewers to determine what might be interpreted as rude vs accurate - For example a dominatrix may want to be called "bitch".

The reviewrers look for illegal and illicit terms and we try to let the models remove what they don't like as well. The good news is that once you block one word, its gone for good - can't keep coming back, no matter who enters it. Because its new, there is a higher volume right now - we expect that to change as it grows more common. Think of it as a downpour that changes to a sprinkle :-)

We'll look into more details on how we can improve the system going forward of course and appreciate your input….

Thanks!

Liz

Snowy0Star
02-07-2013, 06:51 PM
I think if they really wanted to control it only let ppl who took u pvt or let u approve them before they go up. I got tagged with bad attitude and rude bitch. So its probably from freeloaders or ppl who thuoght this was match.com then got butt hurt when i said i was pay to play.

VoluptiousBriadda
02-08-2013, 01:36 AM
I blocked them as soon as I saw them, but it really annoys me that I have to see that shit every time I check my tags. I don't think anyone here knows who I am. I have geo restriction but I tagged myself through my cammodels link twice, but the tags never appeared.
My regs have disappeared since December. There's only one I think who still comes around, but it's only like once a month and stays an hour. At the end of the day, sm sucks ass for me now, especially with these tags, so I'm back on mgf and looking at imlive or mfc.

I emailed them with the tags I got and said they need to check the 'pre-approved' tags. They just said "Thanks for your feedback!". They don't give a shit and now I'm on to new adventures.

Totally understand,like you and several others have stated,looking at those abusive tags can def affect models in many different negative ways and they really SHOULD be removed once they are blocked.I mean,cmon SM,have you ever heard of a DELETE button before?? :sarcastic It seems like it wouldnt be thaaaat far of a stretch to let us delete the tags we dont want since theyre already giving us the option to block them!

Good luck in your new cam-ventures!!

temptingmodel
02-08-2013, 06:21 AM
They read this fucking forum and laugh at us.

Incantatious
02-08-2013, 07:12 AM
its difficult for reviewers to determine what might be interpreted as rude vs accurate - For example a dominatrix may want to be called "bitch".

This is actually such a legit point.

What one model could interpret as insulting, another might be craving to be tagged as it, because it's part of her niche. - For example, "big ass"? While I'm craving to see that in my tags, another girl might be really upset to be tagged as that - she might not even have a big ass; some guys just thought it'd be funny to tag her with that for the lulz. Same thing goes for "bitch" - I can think of a few models off the top of my head who very blatantly market themselves as epic bitches of attitude. But you could get a really sweet girl tagged with that... and it wouldn't fit at all and would result in the wrong client-performer match (which is what the tags are intended for).

Same thing is true for things like "tranny" - transgender performers need those tags, whilst there will be guys tag non-transgender performers with that because they think of it as an insult... Tags like "waste of money", "ugly ass bitch", "too skinny"... Whilst it would not strike me as at all surprising that there are legitimate fetishes for girls who are "too skinny", even a fetish for ugly girls. So many guys abuse the system.

Hence why my opinion has stood that guys should NOT have the ability to tag models - because as we can see, it is increasingly apparent that there too many who lack the sense to grasp their purpose, and so instead fill the boxes up with babbling, hurtful nonsense, confusing this tagging system that would otherwise work wonders if used correctly.

Having said that, I will go as far as to say that there are certainly many performers who don't have a clue what their niches are, (and would be liable to flip the fuck out if you said she was known for her fat ass, her bitchy attitude, or her 'barely legal' looks or voice, etc), I think most performers know their niche enough to fill those boxes out themselves with how they actually want to market themselves.

And whilst it seems more than reasonable that we should have the ultimate power where marketing ourselves is concerned, since when have we been the ones granted that privilege? It's still part of our contracts that SM have all the power when it comes to our shit. We get 35% for a reason: Where advertising and marketing are concerned, we don't have to do shit. We don't have to lift a single finger to market ourselves.

If we DO market ourselves by pimping out our cammodels links, we are financially rewarded, which is still good. The way SM see it is that us Streamate performers have always had minimal control over our marketing and how we are advertised. - SM have always done that for us. It's either in the hands of SM themselves, or now with tagging, in the hands of our viewers.

Speaking for myself, for as long as all I have to do is turn my cam on whenever I want, and in flood the paying clients, fucking have at the tagging box with any bullshit you want.. The day I log on, have all sweetness and light in my tags and NO paying custies is the day I'll truly be upset.


[EDIT] - Actually, on that note, pick a Streamate performer who is madly successful... Look at her tags. She probably has TONS of them, right? Of my own fave top girl, she has "booger eater" and "nomake meharder"... Do I think she gives a flying fuck about her tags? She probably can't even see them though cash, and ultimately it doesn't negatively affect anything about the insane bank balance she likely has.

Marina Starr
02-08-2013, 07:27 AM
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x311/melaniamai/0OQu6.gif

This. I decided that instead of doing 2 SM shifts per day, Monday through Friday I'm gonna do 3 hours of SM during the day, and 3 hours of MFC at night.

And that whole "We cannot block members for you" bullshit pisses me off too. I bet trolls on that site have a field day with the tags feature and the abusive comments in the chatrooms, because they know they can get away with it if they're fast enough. I looked at my tags just now and got the following tags:

too skinny
tranny
ugly ass bitch
waste of money

It's funny that I'm a 'waste of money' when I'm willing to bet the person who posted that has NEVER spent a dime on me...lol. If I'm such a waste of money, I'd have a lot of 1-star ratings and a shitload of negative member comments on my profile. No, I think it's more like "That bitch Fox wants me to pay 5 Gold for a flash, but my cheap, freeloading ass doesn't wanna pay, so she's a waste of money...waaahhh!!!"

Oops! I posted the thing about my negative SM tags twice...lol. My bad.

TheBrownFox
02-08-2013, 07:42 AM
Now the tags feature on Extra Lunch Money is cool because ELM allows YOU (the seller) to add your own tags for each listing. Like if it's a booty-clapping video, I can tag it 'ebony' and 'booty' if I want. Oh, and Benic of ELM is a sweetheart...he's so polite, patient, and helpful.

This bullshit on SM ain't cool. Not only can a troll enter my chat and tell me "I hope you get raped..." and then leave abruptly (and never get blocked cuz they're so fast), but they can force me into 1-second premium sessions whenever they want to...send a bunch of unwanted pics to my inbox...and now use the tags feature for name-calling, and what does SM Support tell you? "We cannot block members for you. You can block a member from your room." *facepalm* Lovely...

naughtycamgirl
02-08-2013, 08:12 AM
Yes, it really sucks, We already have other things to keep checking (vidoe feed, ratings etc) and now Tags !
I freaked out when I saw that girl with a lot of bad tags, why wouldn't SM give us the possibility to aprove them first, why would they let freeloaders that never spend a dime tag us ?


check every hour or so when streaming. sucks balls

Cam_Model_Jess
02-08-2013, 09:35 AM
It's interesting to see all the points develop. And, even though I've gotten some awful tags myself, to see the reasoning behind the way some things are done. For example, if they allow you to just "delete" the tags, then you will have to constantly "block" and "delete" the same tags over and over. By allowing the tags to stay on your profile, the system can automatically block the same tag for you once you've hidden it yourself the first time. So if you get the tag "bitch," as in the example, and you block that tag, then (from what Liz is saying), you could be getting tagged with that many times & just not know it, as the system just hides it for you the second & all subsequent times.

This does not, of course, take into account misspellings, creative spellings, and missing punctuation. You could get "bitch" then "beotch" then "stupid bitch," even if you hid "bitch" before ever getting the other two. Same goes with "don't waste ur time" "don't waste your time" "dont waste ur time" and "dont waste your time." Subtle differences that mean nothing to you as a performer, but which an automatic system would not catch.

Cam_Model_Jess
02-08-2013, 09:41 AM
I think what this all comes down to is that the system is for the CUSTOMER not for the performer. As much as it sucks, we need to remember that. Most updates and "features" added to the site are for the customer, not the performer. They would not be improving their income by making the site better for performers. As much as we'd like to think we're special, we're simply not. We are cash cows. In this analogy, we are CHEAP cash cows. We get sick, we wander off to other pastures to test the grass there, and if we get sick or become too much of a liability, we can be taken out and shot. But there will always be other cows wandering in because the grass is always greener.

You may think there's a flaw in the analogy because we have feelings. But do our feelings really matter in the grand scheme of a business plan? Nope. It's too big for that.

I personally think the system is a very flawed one. I'm not siding w/ the system here. It could be improved upon in so many ways. But ultimately, it's a matter of money. SM has a pattern of rolling out updates which it cannot support, either monetarily, through support staff, or through skill of programmers. While I hold out hope for improvements, this is really just par for the course.

Jinja
02-08-2013, 09:53 AM
Thanks for the input - Tags have been a popular topic these days. In general tags are subjective - and its difficult for reviewers to determine what might be interpreted as rude vs accurate - For example a dominatrix may want to be called "bitch".

THIS is why the performer and ONLY the performer, not some random person at Streamate, should be approving tags.

justanothercamgirl
02-08-2013, 10:10 AM
I got a reply from Liz, which is nice because I do appreciate responses that seem genuine, as opposed to the copy/paste responses:


Thanks for the input - Tags have been a popular topic these days. In general tags are subjective - and its difficult for reviewers to determine what might be interpreted as rude vs accurate - For example a dominatrix may want to be called "bitch".

The reviewrers look for illegal and illicit terms and we try to let the models remove what they don't like as well. The good news is that once you block one word, its gone for good - can't keep coming back, no matter who enters it. Because its new, there is a higher volume right now - we expect that to change as it grows more common. Think of it as a downpour that changes to a sprinkle :-)

We'll look into more details on how we can improve the system going forward of course and appreciate your input….

Thanks!

Liz

While I do appreciate the time and effort that Liz put into the email, I would of been way more impressed if she actually thanked you for putting up with the abuse.....I mean 'growing pains' of the system in the meantime instead of acting like it was something that we are all expected to put up with without complaint.

justanothercamgirl
02-08-2013, 10:14 AM
I think what this all comes down to is that the system is for the CUSTOMER not for the performer. As much as it sucks, we need to remember that. Most updates and "features" added to the site are for the customer, not the performer. They would not be improving their income by making the site better for performers. As much as we'd like to think we're special, we're simply not. We are cash cows. In this analogy, we are CHEAP cash cows. We get sick, we wander off to other pastures to test the grass there, and if we get sick or become too much of a liability, we can be taken out and shot. But there will always be other cows wandering in because the grass is always greener.

You may think there's a flaw in the analogy because we have feelings. But do our feelings really matter in the grand scheme of a business plan? Nope. It's too big for that.

I personally think the system is a very flawed one. I'm not siding w/ the system here. It could be improved upon in so many ways. But ultimately, it's a matter of money. SM has a pattern of rolling out updates which it cannot support, either monetarily, through support staff, or through skill of programmers. While I hold out hope for improvements, this is really just par for the course.

Yep, this is why I never complain to Streamate itself and just keep trying to cultivate the other eggs I have in my basket right now so I can be less dependant on them. They know that they have got us where they want us. There really isn't a lot of options when it comes to camsites to work at that cover chargebacks.

VoluptiousBriadda
02-08-2013, 12:28 PM
Jess - you make an excellent point about the block instead of delete option - when I read Liz' email I didnt quite snap to the fact that that is why theyve given us the block option vs deletion.Absolutely makes sense.

I know it sucks that we have to look at shitty tags and that it can affect models negatively,but how many times a day do we have rude customers come into our rooms that say ridiculous hurtful shit? Do we burst into tears and log off in hysterics every time that happens? Hell nah! We laugh,retort back with super witty camgirl comment and ban them bishes! We shouldnt let some butthurt cheapass freeloaders comments even get to us! Anyone who has bad tags should just laugh at them every time they see them,bc its proof there are guys out there that WANT YOU but cant afford you.So they resort to namecalling bc theyre hurt by a woman AGAIN and have just died a lil more inside.We should keep in mind what type of guy the majority of freeloaders and asshats are.Its not like Oprah or Brad Pitt has just tagged us with some awful name.We all know we have to have a thick skin in this industry,and that should definitely extend to include any tags we get! Let em roll off of yall like water over rocks in a river! And then go tag yourself with some fabulousness to make yourself feel better :D

I get the tagging approval process as well,it IS hard to discern between whats offensive and what is actually wanted by some models.Just like I said in one of my last posts about my brat princess tag,while it may seem harmless and not really offensive compared to some of the other tags out there,I could still see someone wondering what the hell to do when that came across their screen for approval.Which is why I also agree that models should have the power to tag themselves,as it would make SM' job much much easier-the approval process could pretty much just be eliminated altogether had they went that route instead.But obviously thats just not gonna happen,so onwards and upwards! Im over it and moving on to the next one,i gots $$ to make and an ass to shake!

To any ladies that are currently contemplating joining SM and have decided not to bc of the tagging system,just remember that EVERY site has their own pros and cons,not a single one of them is perfect so Id def consider all of the positives that come with SM before nixing it over something as miniscule as bad tags! Keep in mind youll get wonderful ones too,and if you dont,you can always tag yourself if you have a custy acct or ask a friend or sweet customer to do it for you,im sure SOMEONE out there is willing to do it for you! Hell Ill do it for you if you PM me and ask,I dont mind LOL!

JuliaX
02-08-2013, 12:33 PM
I think what this all comes down to is that the system is for the CUSTOMER not for the performer. As much as it sucks, we need to remember that. Most updates and "features" added to the site are for the customer, not the performer. They would not be improving their income by making the site better for performers.

I think the keyword is customer. They do not have to be a customer to tag us. I personally believe 95 % of the abusive tags come from „wow, I have signed up for 2 bucks and can troll every single model as long as I want“ guys. SM just gives the goodies – the possibility to tag – for free. Would that improve their income? I do not think so (has it ever raised our own earnings giving whatever goodies for free? – hell, NO). The only thing it brings just an army of broke lurkers „who get the power“. I think my level 2-3 guys are too busy with making and also spending money to tag me.

On the other hand, I do not believe if they should buy at least a minute of our show to tag us would reduce SM´s income in any ways. I have performed for over a year without any tags, would it really drastically reduce my – and SM´s – earnings if the tags only show up when I manually approve them and only appropriate tags are shown with a slight delay? And I guess when when we do not have to check our tags night and day (so the performers just worried about the "normal" SM related stuff... encoder, peepers, etc.), it will not hurt SM either. But really :-).

Via Flaminia
02-08-2013, 02:21 PM
I remember someone on here saying that a model was even tagged with her real name...wtf.

Wow. Insults are one thing, but privacy and safety is another. What if someone got hurt or worse as a result? Not cool.

Snowy0Star
02-08-2013, 02:27 PM
thats why they should have pre written tags and not let the guys just type whatever the fuck they want in there