View Full Version : Problem With DailyPay and MFC
PrincessLuna
10-06-2012, 04:42 PM
I'm confused now. I thought all the US MFC models were being forced to leave DP cause of tax reasons so they had no choice. :S
Eh, maybe I was wrong. I don't pay attention to MFC at all.
Quite a few models didn't want this change to happen so they just sort of "fell through the cracks".
PrincessJenny
10-06-2012, 04:44 PM
Hi, communication on it was largely made in private because of the nature of it. There are some loopholes that we were able to take advantage of for members who wanted to stay.
Depending on how "honest" you are its cheaper to stay with DP, we dont condone not paying tax though, we leave it up to the member to sort out on their end.
Cammi
10-06-2012, 04:45 PM
Quite a few models didn't want this change to happen so they just sort of "fell through the cracks".
Is that legal? o.O
PrincessLuna
10-06-2012, 04:47 PM
Is that legal? o.O
No idea on anything. My account was made independent as I am no longer in the US and no longer use the account.
What other models chose to do with their accounts is none of my concern.
PrincessJenny
10-06-2012, 04:48 PM
Is that legal? o.O
We leave it up to the member to decide how they conduct business :)
TheBrownFox
10-07-2012, 02:31 AM
So the 1,000+ tokens I made just now on MFC (I earned them after the 3 AM EST cutoff though)...I can expect the money on my Payoneer card Monday morning (October 8th), right? :) I'm still continuing the MFC daily pay?
EDIT: I just read the e-mail. Thanks!
Cam_chick
10-07-2012, 03:11 PM
Wait wait wait, there's a way to stay with dailypay? Fuck, I need this. Time for an email then I suppose.
ExoticBeauty4U
10-07-2012, 03:16 PM
Hi I think my account went inactive on AW because Ive been working the past 4 days and still havent received any funds. Emailed you but Im sure you have alot of it to go through soI thought i would try you here thanks:)
PrincessJenny
10-07-2012, 03:31 PM
Hi I think my account went inactive on AW because Ive been working the past 4 days and still havent received any funds. Emailed you but Im sure you have alot of it to go through soI thought i would try you here thanks:)
Hi, will check it in the morning and get back to you thanks.
On a side note, the attitude from the OP stinks to high heaven, no apology or anything, just rude emails. DP has never been one to sit back and take crap in emails so expect the same back OP. Respect is only given when respect is shown. No more shit taking.
Lovelyme
10-07-2012, 03:49 PM
If the situation has been taken care of is it still a scam? It seems like only ONE person has complained about not receiving money on this thread. This thread should be closed or deleted. It's not fair to PJ and her service.
loveshooks
10-07-2012, 03:58 PM
I don't feel comfortable deleting this thread, as it contains info that will continue to be valuable to members here regarding how/if DP and MFC can be used together, but I did edit the title of the thread
I know the OP felt wronged yesterday, but I think the term 'scam' was used somewhat hastily in this situation
DollEyes
10-07-2012, 03:58 PM
Hi, will check it in the morning and get back to you thanks.
On a side note, the attitude from the OP stinks to high heaven, no apology or anything, just rude emails. DP has never been one to sit back and take crap in emails so expect the same back OP. Respect is only given when respect is shown. No more shit taking.
I have not replied to this thread because I was under the impression that it was now being taken care of privately but if you are going to sit here and get mad about me asking for an update and what is going on then you are completely unprofessional and rude especially since the problem has yet to be solved. So go ahead and try to play a victim on here but when I ask what is going on it is not being rude and when it comes to MY money I want to know what is going on and I have said thank you. Do not lie to make me appear bad.
Since you appear to be saying I never said thank you once here you go.
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Peachesxo
10-07-2012, 04:02 PM
THANK YOU LOVESHOOKS!
This thread should definitely not be closed because the situation has still not been taken care of.
& that screenshot sure doesn't look like rude e-mails with no apology to me....
LaurenAus
10-07-2012, 04:06 PM
You could've waited for a response back from PJ instead of running to CC and crying bloody murder, creating a shitstorm of a thread and accusing them of being scam artists. That's not simply "asking what is going on", now who is playing the victim..
Lovelyme
10-07-2012, 04:08 PM
I don't feel comfortable deleting this thread, as it contains info that will continue to be valuable to members here regarding how/if DP and MFC can be used together, but I did edit the title of the thread
I know the OP felt wronged yesterday, but I think the term 'scam' was used somewhat hastily in this situation
Agreed.
Great moderating btw. That was quick (changing the name of thread). Much better on the title.
Peachesxo
10-07-2012, 04:48 PM
You could've waited for a response back from PJ instead of running to CC and crying bloody murder, creating a shitstorm of a thread and accusing them of being scam artists. That's not simply "asking what is going on", now who is playing the victim..
You know what, these kind of responses are REALLY sickening. Why does DP get some sort of holy impenetrable cloak on SW??
Seriously... If this was ANY OTHER STUDIO everyone would have the OP's back, talking about how "shady studios are" and how "studio owners are scamming girls out of their money" OMG ect, all the normal stuff, we've seen those kinds of threads a million times on here, and not in one circumstance has anyone responded like they did here or acted like the person with the issue was not a victim, whether it got resolved later on by the studio or not. But NOOO, because this certain issue was with DailyPay you all are freaking out at her for bringing it up in the forum when it is a very legitimate issue that has still not been resolved even though responses and e-mails have been exchanged, so it really doesn't matter if she posted before waiting for an initial response or not because either way it still has not been resolved!!! Sheeeeeeeeeeesh.
Lovelyme
10-07-2012, 05:03 PM
You know what, these kind of responses are REALLY sickening. Why does DP get some sort of holy impenetrable cloak on SW??
Seriously... If this was ANY OTHER STUDIO everyone would have the OP's back, talking about how "shady studios are" and how "studio owners are scamming girls out of their money" OMG ect, all the normal stuff, we've seen those kinds of threads a million times on here, and not in one circumstance has anyone responded like they did here or acted like the person with the issue was not a victim, whether it got resolved later on by the studio or not. But NOOO, because this certain issue was with DailyPay you all are freaking out at her for bringing it up in the forum when it is a very legitimate issue that has still not been resolved even though responses and e-mails have been exchanged, so it really doesn't matter if she posted before waiting for an initial response or not because either way it still has not been resolved!!! Sheeeeeeeeeeesh.
*raises hand* I'll answer that for ya:
If other cam studios provided the same great service and customer service like DailyPay, we would back them up too.
You are forgetting that DailyPay has a lot members here and very few have complained about the service. The majority of us
that have been with PJ's DailyPay for years has nothing bad to say about them. They have something called a "proven track record"
and when you have a proven track record and all the sudden ONE person comes along and accuses you of being a scam artist - it raises eyebrows not
at the service but at the complaint. Lo and behold, it wasn't a "scam" - just a little misunderstanding. See what I mean?
Also I must add, you're acting as if you're the one that was "scammed". This is not high school. DollEyes and PJ is sorting out the situation.
You want people to join you and bash PJ's dailypay and it's not going to happen. Cut the cliquish behavior. It's not a good look at all. No offense to you.
Just saying - you should be done with it, seems the situation with your friend is being looked at and almost rectified.
LaurenAus
10-07-2012, 05:10 PM
I guess you're taking this personally cuz she's your "bestie"? This is the second time an accusatory thread like this has been created recently and each time Jenny has actually had a chance to log on she's worked to resolve the issue. Anyone who has been on DailyPay and in contact with Jenny, including myself, knows that she's not on SW 24/7--the title of this thread and the kind of drama that broke out after not hearing back from DP after only two hours was super dramatic.
aberrant
10-07-2012, 05:13 PM
Not to mention that there was never really a problem to begin with. The worst that would have happened is that the OP would have been paid twice.
It wasn't as if it fucked with anyone's money, seeing as paychecks aren't sent until the 16th anyway.
I get that it's scary to see your cash go missing, but claiming you're being scammed before giving anyone a chance to respond is just silly.
Hope it all gets resolved and that everyone gets their money.
justanothercamgirl
10-07-2012, 05:29 PM
I'm just going to throw this out there I've been with dailypay my whole camming career and not once have I ever complained or said anything bad about their services. I have defended dailypay MULTIPLE times on here.
I just wanted to share my story & see if anyone else had issues in which turns out there are others. But I do want my full % their mistake should not cost me $394.98. I just want my money and answers especially since we were supposed to be released as of October 1st. Why weren't we notified?
So, I guess somehow it was forgotten that the OP said she has never had a problem with the service before now and just wanted to know what was going on with her money and yet her attitude stinks?
In my personal opinion, one would assume the time to say 'thank you' is AFTER she had received the money she was owed.
justanothercamgirl
10-07-2012, 05:42 PM
Also I must add, you're acting as if you're the one that was "scammed". This is not high school. DollEyes and PJ is sorting out the situation.
You want people to join you and bash PJ's dailypay and it's not going to happen. Cut the cliquish behavior. It's not a good look at all. No offense to you.
Just saying - you should be done with it, seems the situation with your friend is being looked at and almost rectified.
I totally agree with the statement that this isn't high school. When I see the head of a STUDIO reply with the eyebrow-raisingly unprofessional statement "DP has never been one to sit back and take crap in emails so expect the same back OP." I have to shake my head in disbelief. Yes, misunderstanding may have happened but only one of the two people in this situation are in the business of customer service.
IsobelWren
10-07-2012, 05:43 PM
Ladies, let's please remember to keep it civil. Loveshooks and I don't want to have to edit posts, give people infractions or close/delete this thread but we will if we have to.
We all love DollEyes and Dailypay so strong feelings are bound to come up. Just take a deep breath, go get a snack and come back and read back over what you wrote before you post it.
In the words of another site moderator, "If you think you have to qualify your post with, 'this is going to make me sound like a bitch, but...' you already know you shouldn't post it." ;)
Peachesxo
10-07-2012, 05:46 PM
Obviously she treats you DP girls like gold and acts professional with you all, you are giving her a percentage of every dollar you make and are still with the service. Since trying to resolve this issue DollEyes has been given the run-around/rude answers in all the e-mails that have been exchanged up till this point in time, so yes, precisely, "I am taking this thread personally because she is by bestie" - I don't see any problem with that, I am not going to sit by and watch you all shit on her when you don't even seem to understand the situation or the whole story.
Anyways I am done posting in this thread and have no further reason to unless another blatantly untrue attempt to defame my friends reputation is made. She did absolutely nothing wrong here. Apologies to Isobel and Loveshooks for the headache, I'm done <3
DollEyes
10-07-2012, 06:06 PM
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sweetgapeach
10-07-2012, 06:15 PM
^ That's what I was trying to message you...glad you caught it
DollEyes
10-07-2012, 06:24 PM
^ That's what I was trying to message you...glad you caught it
Thank you that was very kind of you. >.< took me a while to figure it out
catgirl
10-07-2012, 07:09 PM
woah there, that last bit Princess Jenny posted is a bit unecessary- whether she was rude or not (which you can see by the screenshot she wasn't). not very professional..
Ms.Lacey
10-07-2012, 07:47 PM
I understand taking up for a service thats good to you but that response in the emails and on this board is not good or necessary from any business owner ever.
Everyone comes on here to vent about multiple things but because its PJ its like the end of the world. Only person that gave decent responses without getting snarky is brownfox. Her response was better than pj's response in the tone used and minus cuss words.
She had a problem she came here to vent and find out why but instead of respecting her feelings about the matter some chose to give responses that are rude or bias.
Lets hope this doesn't happen to anyone else and finally gets resolved.
sexysusie
10-07-2012, 08:18 PM
PJ is not only in the UK (different time zone hello!), but the thread was posted over a WEEKEND! I'm not sure about where you live, but over here it's far above and beyond professional that PJ actually managed to get on and deal with this within just a few short hours.
Also, it's fine when PJ acts like a human being so long as it's benefiting YOU, but she can't when she's having to defend herself against unfair attacks? Bit hypocritical isn't it? I think she's done pretty good to stay cool, considering what's been said and intimated in this thread.
Glad you got everything sorted out DollEyes, and glad you edited your title too x
Ms.Lacey
10-07-2012, 08:36 PM
when running a business u never close. Customer service is 24/7 and pj did respond so ^^ statement is not relevant. As far as being a hypocrite NO not at all. Being human is fine but running a business is one thing. How would you feel if streamate had a response like that? Lets keep it real here...
Cammi
10-07-2012, 09:39 PM
Wow, those emails are not how I'd expect a professionally run business to respond. When put together with PJ's last reply in this thread it really makes my head spin. I always thought DP was the one studio we could count on, but this reaction makes it look like any other and that makes me sad :(
PrincessJenny
10-08-2012, 01:37 AM
Thanks for editing the title Loveshooks.
Thanks Dolleyes for communicating about refunding the 3.6K we had sent you but then spending parts of it and not telling us, are we able to complain bout you? (did you forget to tell the board about this too? have you shown them why I think your emails are rude?)
The screenshots in this thread only show portions of emails, the rude bits appear to be missing.
The first email I got from MFC they said in it they had a member ranting and raving, they gave the username and I thought, no way, I have spoken and helped this member alot in the past, but then the emails started coming to me.
In essence the member has been paid 9 days earlier than normal, lost no money, started a disgusting thread, continues to not say sorry for any of the hurt caused and sends emails with attitude even after its been sorted to the best of my ability.
In a previous email you have "I hope this would have been sorted by now", what does that really mean? you have been paid 9 days earlier than expected (and started to spend it after us saying we will try to get a refund for the 3.6K), what more do you want from us? You act as if there is something wrong, like we owe you something? We dont have a problem replying to a rude email with a rude response, just as any other company would do.
Im bottling my blood up as we speak, its the last thing I have.
PrincessJenny
10-08-2012, 02:17 AM
As the OP didnt come to us directly to fix the small issue and has blown it up out of proportions MFC have decided to check each member using dailypay themselves.
They sent a list of remaining members in Dailypay who are in the US, these are the members who decided to stay with us will now also be removed.
Some of these members may of had dailypay on MFC as a convenience, some may of had it out of necessity but you can be sure at least someone elses life has now been ruined and un-needed stress caused because of the actions of the OP.
We tried our best to help the members who needed dailypay, to help them with life's circumstances.
The remaining members will most likely stay with dailypay until the end of this pay period, as a small token of help to them they will not be charged anymore DP fee's.
Still no word of sorry from the OP. I have said sorry multiple times to the OP but now they have personally affected other DP members lives.
I am truly sorry that I was not able to do more for the remaining US members of MFC Dailypay, quite a sad day here for me on a personal level. I read the emails of what dp money is used for and how important it is to the daily lives of people it helps and now I have let them down.
DP is run with personal care for each of its members, if you have contacted us in the past for help you will know we go the extra mile that a "professional business" would not do.
DollEyes
10-08-2012, 02:37 AM
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I have attached every email we have had and not anywhere do I see me being rude and having a nasty attitude, so which bits am I leaving out? Can you post those screenshots? The only time I was mad was the first initial email as any normal person would and if I must I'll post that screenshot myself. I do not understand why you are trying to make it seem like I have been rude and if i do recall "talking shit".
I had 1.2k in my account prior to this payment so I do not understand why you are saying I spent a portion of the 3.6k. Was I not supposed to touch any of my money I had previous to this? Was that said to me? No. You could deduct all the money that was transferred into my account and I'd STILL have money in my payoneer account. So I don't understand where your trying to go with this. If it is really an issue I can replace the funds from my normal bank account without a problem. If your going to say you don't owe me something than I'm going to shake my head I don't know who ever is responsible for this but to my understanding I was being released as of the first and was expecting to receive my full % so yes essentially I lost 5% because of the mistake, I did not want to be paid early. And of course I contacted MFC regarding the issue who wouldn't that is the company I work for, I wanted to know if they knew about the error or if they could assist in anyway.
I'm done posting on here I have posted every email we discussed if you want to continue to throw out that I've been rude, I'd love to see the screenshots as proof.
Peachesxo
10-08-2012, 02:41 AM
As the OP didnt come to us directly to fix the small issue and has blown it up out of proportions MFC have decided to check each member using dailypay themselves.
They sent a list of remaining members in Dailypay who are in the US, these are the members who decided to stay with us will now also be removed.
Some of these members may of had dailypay on MFC as a convenience, some may of had it out of necessity but you can be sure at least someone elses life has now been ruined and un-needed stress caused because of the actions of the OP.
http://adultworkwebcammers.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=93 <---
You sent out e-mails and publicly announced that all US Daily Pay girls would have to be released and made independent as of the 1st of October because of MFC's new rule against US girls in non-US studios.
It is a RULE. You only mentioned any possible "loop-hole" within the past 24 hours, a loophole which would be breaking MFC's rules (a rule that they are entitled to have)... Everyone was already prepared for MFC DailyPay to end, they knew it was coming way before this thread was made. You tried to break their rule, it didn't work. - How desperate of you to try to pin future issues that may stem from this on DollEyes.
PrincessJenny
10-08-2012, 02:48 AM
within the past 24 hours,
This was stated at the start of the MFC removals. If your not a MFC DP member you will not have seen this. In another thread its also mentioned in reply to a post.
Dolleyes:
Payoneer sent an email saying you have.
A member emailed and asked was DP reported? I email a friend in MFC head office, they reply:
No real answer is given and no name is given.
DollEyes
10-08-2012, 02:57 AM
This was stated at the start of the MFC removals. If your not a MFC DP member you will not have seen this. In another thread its also mentioned in reply to a post.
Dolleyes: http://imageshack.us/a/img145/2020/payf.png
Payoneer sent an email saying you have.
Once again I do not understand what the problem is here is my balance, obviously the amount sent can be refunded since I have the funds. Not once was I told to not spend any money.
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PrincessJenny
10-08-2012, 03:05 AM
I'm done posting on here
Same, this is counter productive.
Your next MFC payment from us will be sent on the 17th October.
Any issues with payment let us know directly.
Thanks
justanothercamgirl
10-08-2012, 05:00 AM
We dont have a problem replying to a rude email with a rude response, just as any other company would do.
Wow! I am blown away right now. If you are under the belief that most companies respond to rude emails with a rude and personalized attacks then it would appear that you really have no idea what the definition of 'professionalism' in business is.
Shame, I had a high level of admiration for the studio in the past, but that statement has caused me to lose all respect for Daily Pay and from now on will no longer recommend it when asked my opinion.
PrincessJenny
10-08-2012, 05:04 AM
that most companies respond to rude emails with a rude and personalized attacks then it would appear that you really have no idea what the definition of 'professionalism' in business is.
Hi, We dont have a problem with it, doesnt mean we do it for every rude email that arrives. No attacks were personal.
I never gave the definition of professionalism in any of my posts.
If someone sends a rude email to us and we are to blame that is fine and acceptable. (just as the OP's rude emails were acceptable to start with and understandable)
When we are not to blame or in this case, not to blame and we already fixed the concerning issue and get a rude email we will reply with the same standard of attitude the sender has.
We replied to all emails nicely as normal for the duration of the issue. After the issue had been resolved we got a rude email, this caused a rude email to be sent back as a result. I see no problem with that.
justanothercamgirl
10-08-2012, 05:10 AM
No attacks were personal.
Seems we are of a disagreement on this point. Saying that someone elses life has now been ruined and un-needed stress caused because of the actions of the OP seems pretty personal to me.
PrincessJenny
10-08-2012, 05:13 AM
Seems we are of a disagreement on this point. Saying that someone elses life has now been ruined and un-needed stress caused because of the actions of the OP seems pretty personal to me.
I was referring to "emails with a rude and personalized attacks", I misread this as you meaning an email contained a personal attack sorry, didnt realise you meant a forum post.
That statement is what is it, its only true if the members action did indeed cause other members stress/harm. Which would be quite malicious.
justanothercamgirl
10-08-2012, 05:21 AM
I was referring to "emails with a rude and personalized attacks", I misread this as you meaning an email contained a personal attack sorry, didnt realise you meant a forum post.
I can completely understand where the misunderstanding could have occurred in our conversation. I really have no opinion when it comes to your personal emails back and forth, only your behaviour when it comes to here on the forums.
Also, I never suggested that you ever gave the definition of professionalism in any of your posts, only that it was my personal opinion that you truly seem to lack understanding of the definition of the word by your recent actions in regards to your handling of the current situation. My opinion on this has been unchanged.
PrincessJenny
10-08-2012, 05:29 AM
I can understand the "lack of understanding" on what professionalism means if we had said we handled it all (before and after issue) professionally.
We said this: "DP is run with personal care for each of its members, if you have contacted us in the past for help you will know we go the extra mile that a "professional business" would not do. "
DP is run with personal care, a professional business would do things differently but we believe we do things better (for better or for worse).
Alot of people have wrote "I cant believe a professional company would do this" etc A professional business wouldnt do the things we do, can you imagine asking MFC/SM for an early payment? A loan? An extension on an already long overdue loan? help with issues that dont have any connection with their own company?
If we done things like a professional business we would turn down 9 out 10 emails on this board and help alot less people.
I would say we handled the issue with professionalism. After the issue was over, an email that could be said was "baiting us" was sent.
If the member had not sent this email we would not have replied with the same respect that was given to us.
To of handled the OP's email professionally we could have simple not replied (it contained a duplicate question) until the information we needed was given to us by Payoneer then we could have replied to the original email that contained no attitude.
Charlotteslut
10-08-2012, 05:31 AM
Professionalism should extend to all correspondence, if you are still discussing business matters. It doesn`t matter if the customer is getting snarky (not that I think the OP was out of place at all) you do not respond in kind. You are not justified in responding in kind, because it is not a relationship between friends but a customer service relationship.
If I call up my ISP over a matter and start getting bitchy at them, that doesn`t mean they are then justified in being snarky or sarcastic back to me.
PrincessJenny
10-08-2012, 05:36 AM
If I call up my ISP over a matter and start getting bitchy at them, that doesn`t mean they are then justified in being snarky or sarcastic back to me.
This is unfortunately the way the world is. You have no right being bitchy at them and they have no right doing it back.
If someone treats me with respect I will give it back, if they dont they can only expect one thing from me (unless I am to blame etc then its acceptable)
I will not have people being rude to me in emails. Especially when the issue has already been fixed and the member was at no point losing out on anything, they were being rude for no reason.
justanothercamgirl
10-08-2012, 05:37 AM
I was referring to "emails with a rude and personalized attacks", I misread this as you meaning an email contained a personal attack sorry, didnt realise you meant a forum post.
That statement is what is it, its only true if the members action did indeed cause other members stress/harm. Which would be quite malicious.
I am confused to how intent that never had any malicious intent in the first place could now be interrupted as malicious. MFC is the one who made the decision in the first place and left a loophole that it now seems to have decided to close. How this has anything to do with Dolleyes is beyond me. She didn't tell MFC to change its policy.
I would define someone who is trying to blame and guilt one person for 'ruining someone's life' because a miscommunication about missing money caused her to email the companies in question quite malicious though.
Charlotteslut
10-08-2012, 05:43 AM
This is unfortunately the way the world is. You have no right being bitchy at them and they have no right doing it back.
If someone treats me with respect I will give it back, if they dont they can only expect one thing from me (unless I am to blame etc then its acceptable)
Yes, but my point is this is an example of poor customer service. Which is one of the main issues we are discussing in this thread.
PrincessJenny
10-08-2012, 05:51 AM
Yes, but my point is this is an example of poor customer service. Which is one of the main issues we are discussing in this thread.
The correct example would then be:
"If I call up my ISP over a matter and start getting bitchy at them " = understandable.
But then the the person calls up the ISP after its been sorted and starts being bitchy again. Which is not understandable or acceptable.
justanothercamgirl
10-08-2012, 06:01 AM
The correct example would then be:
"If I call up my ISP over a matter and start getting bitchy at them " = understandable.
But then then the person calls up the ISP after its been sorted and starts being bitchy again. Which is not understandable or acceptable.
Oh, so this is all sorted then and Dolleyes now had the money in her account? I was unaware that she had already received all the funds she was owed.