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MotherTang
10-22-2012, 04:06 PM
Essentially, this was the ONLY point which I initially posted about ! Re-read my actual posts !
Of course. She is major competition for ManWin owned production company affiliated porn stars !
Dayzie is not a porn star, or at least not in the pornstar category. So I am assuming she has never worked with a Manwin-based company since she has never filmed porn. (If this is TMI about her, please edit and remove this post).
I'm sure I'm no cash-cow camgirl, but I haven't had an issue with my encoder in months. Is everyone having issues while they are doing gold shows? I almost never do gold shows or use party chat.
Nope, I never do gold shows.
Her views on "marginal camgirls" may not be favorable or what anyone really wants to hear... who really wants to think they might be "marginal"? But it does offer a different alternative perspective on the situation, and each of us might not agree with it but I don't think we should start to get catty.
Considering that Streamate's rank is mostly based on how much you $$$ you make per hour, the girls having issues tend to be top girls, and are therefore making big cash. If making $100, $150, $200 an hour (our cut) is considered marginal, I'd love to meet the non-marginal girls on SM.
Are you ladies splitcamming? (You ladies = ladies having consistent problems) I feel like there HAS to be a logical explanation - something to do with CPU, processor speed, etc. What about your CPU usage? How are the percentages? What system are you running?
Low CPU usage, fast stable internet, whether I splitcam or not, etc. Theres no logical explanation. But it tends to have the most issues when there are tons of top girls on. Its like there's only so much bandwidth to go around, and it fucks everyone up if there's too many girls using it or something.
Dayzie
10-22-2012, 04:13 PM
So I think this is gonna be my last two cents on this topic.
First a quick update. yesterday and today I have had Zero glitches with the streamate encoder, and I have not made any adjustments
or changes to anything since the last crash filled night.I also recieved a couple of tweets The last 24 hrs from some "high profile"
camgirls(pornstars if u will) confirming they had been told the same thing as me, (Not Our Fault) Emphasizing my whole purpose of telling my story here.
If I had not been told by streamate, that the last crash was their fault, I would have been going crazy making changes and checking this
and un-installing that, probably screwing up my settings even more. Whether that tv producer was supposed to tell me that or not, we will
probably never know. But it saved me from a lot of headaches friday night. And I thought I might be able to help some other girls out by
pointing out that "hey sometimes its not our fault". Because I myself have been convinced that the issues with streamate and the encoder are
NOT always the models issue to fix. The crappy part about this fact is that we dont know when its our glitch or theirs.
Now Melonie.
As you may know, I have only been part of this forum for a very short time, and I had no Idea about your "Pornstar before camgirl"
concerns, before posting this thread. I really dont want to use the term "marginal camgirl" because I dont think there is such a thing as
a marginal camgirl. And Yes I did thank you for your posts, because I am grateful for your input on the subject and I try my best to Thank
anyone who has any kind of advice, tip, or insight. Sweety, I really feel like you have been getting a lot of negative comments because of
me, and I just want you to know this. I totally understand how you can believe that streamate is trying to promote some, and discourage others.
Hell thoughts like that have crossed MY mind. But I personally dont think that is their agenda. After all, it has been reported many times
that amateur cam-girls are the Only bright light in the adult entertainment industry right now. I think that our industry is currently in the middle
of a full 360 turn. We are almost at the point now where "Camgirls sell more porn" instead of "Pornstars sell more camshows". And I am sure that streamate
and/or Manwin knows this,because they are big enough to read adultbiz etc. Honey Us camgirls ARE the new PORNSTARS, and for streamate or Manwin
To try and swim upstream against this new trend in porn, would surely be suicide in this business.
I am truly flattered that you feel that I am "major competition for ManWin owned production company affiliated porn stars". But in reality,
I am just another camgirl like everyone else here, and we are all PORNSTARS these days. Its not about being a "pornstar" anymore. Its about
being a "virtual girlfriend". Those are the real stars.
I guess that what I am trying to say Melonie is, If you truly believe That your Boss/ Manger/ superior is trying to screw you over, then Its
time to move on and find a new Boss. I would give this advice to anyone in any business, from pornstar to french fry cook. Faith and trust are
a huge part of a succesful employee/manager relationship. Constantly having these kind of suspicions about your workplace is only going to
cause harm to YOUR business sweety, Not theirs. And I'm sure you are better than that.
And I promise ladies I will be more careful with the title of my posts in the future. I'll try not to make them sound like an X-files episode.
SarahTime
10-22-2012, 04:19 PM
In my opinion, her continuing to make these posts with absolutely no evidence besides anecdotes that really have no relevance, is 100% rude. I appreciate her posts in other sections of the forums where I can see a clear correlation between facts and what she's saying. I do not appreciate her continued "speculation" without further "evidence". If she comes to us with the same level of factual evidence as she is kind enough to offer other sections of the forum, I would welcome that. As of now these are her personal "predictions" and worth no more than a $20 palm reading.
Fair enough :) I can understand that it is entirely speculation but so is A LOT of what we post about on these forums regarding SM or what is going on with one thing or another.
My only point is that I don't think we should turn it into another thread gone crazy just because it's not a popular opinion.
SarahTime
10-22-2012, 04:22 PM
Considering that Streamate's rank is mostly based on how much you $$$ you make per hour, the girls having issues tend to be top girls, and are therefore making big cash. If making $100, $150, $200 an hour (our cut) is considered marginal, I'd love to meet the non-marginal girls on SM.
I am in the top ranks and consistently make over $100/hr. In fact if I make less than $100/hr now I get pretty irritated. (Yes, I know I'm spoiled.)
And I still rarely have issues.
So..... ok. I'm only putting it out there to say that even the top girls with lots of traffic who make lots of money get by with zero glitches or isssues, while others who make $10/hr might be crashing every 5 minutes. So I don't think the two are related.
Also, I split cam with 2 sites every night, 3 on occasion and still don't experience errors. So I think the idea that it depends on what sever you get connected to seems to be the most logical explanation at this point...
Incantatious
10-22-2012, 04:31 PM
However, at this point it is abundantly clear that the vast majority of SW readers, as well as the forum moderator, don't want to hear anything further which even remotely touches on a 'marginal camgirl' / active promotion of porn stars theory ... so they won't hear any more from me in this regard, at least for the next 6 months.
Do you know why this is? It's because you are saying to many of us Streamate workers: "Hey girls, I reckon you'll have your job swept from right under your feet come 6 months. And, because you aren't / haven't been a porn star, ain't nuffin' you can do about it"...
Telling a huge collective of people who have worked their asses off to get where they are, that their future is in jeopardy is big talk, which requires big answers. If good answers and justification are not given, then you surely cannot be surprised that people may be somewhat displeased, to put it lightly...
I hate to see this because you have helped so many people here, in many ways, with many things. It is a shame to see you favor industry speculation over a little common sense in this instance.
Glasses
10-22-2012, 04:35 PM
After all, it has been reported many times
that amateur cam-girls are the Only bright light in the adult entertainment industry right now. I think that our industry is currently in the middle
of a full 360 turn. We are almost at the point now where "Camgirls sell more porn" instead of "Pornstars sell more camshows". And I am sure that streamate
and/or Manwin knows this,because they are big enough to read adultbiz etc. Honey Us camgirls ARE the new PORNSTARS, and for streamate or Manwin
To try and swim upstream against this new trend in porn, would surely be suicide in this business.
I am truly flattered that you feel that I am "major competition for ManWin owned production company affiliated porn stars". But in reality,
I am just another camgirl like everyone else here, and we are all PORNSTARS these days. Its not about being a "pornstar" anymore. Its about
being a "virtual girlfriend". Those are the real stars.
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SarahTime
10-22-2012, 04:42 PM
Do you know why this is? It's because you are saying to many of us Streamate workers: "Hey girls, I reckon you'll have your job swept from right under your feet come 6 months. And, because you aren't / haven't been a porn star, ain't nuffin' you can do about it"...
Telling a huge collective of people who have worked their asses off to get where they are, that their future is in jeopardy is big talk, which requires big answers. If good answers and justification are not given, then you surely cannot be surprised that people may be somewhat displeased, to put it lightly...
I hate to see this because you have helped so many people here, in many ways, with many things. It is a shame to see you favor industry speculation over a little common sense in this instance.
Again, this is just my opinion but I've always interpreted Melonie's posts to mean that cam girls who aren't making more than they are costing in bandwidth are the "marginal" cam girls that would be the ones a cam site owner might want to.... "get rid of"? And not necessarily the majority of us here on stripper web. I mean, the people who are on page 20 streaming for 10 hours a day and bringing in literally pennies... those are the ones costing more than they are making because it still costs money to upload to their server and stream.
I think it's pretty obvious by now that the "girl next door" is WAAAAY more profitable these days than the classic "porn star", and obviously SM knows this. Just check out girls in the top rows on any given day. I think many of us are a prime example of that. Never in a million years did I think I would make $100/hr.... I mean shit. I've had 3 kids, I'm not exactly "skinny", I'm definitely not the "porn star" look.... it's just changing so much. I think Dayzie is right, we actually ARE the new porn stars.
I like to trust that SM/Manwin/whoeverthefuckitis knows what they are doing well enough that we don't really have to worry about pornstars v. camgirls. If anything... I'd be pretty worried to be a "real" porn star right about now.
loveshooks
10-22-2012, 04:52 PM
Thank you for your thoughtful response, Dayzie. The reaction to this thread had absolutely nothing to do with you, and certainly has nothing to do with what you chose to write. While we all use this forum as a social space, ultimately we're all here to make $$$$. A real discussion amongst chicas who have varying experiences with sm tech issues is important to have. I apologize on behalf of the forum that you received such a rude response to your helpful thread.
Since a new piece of info has been added to the sm tech issue situation, hopefully this gives chicas who work the site additional information in trying to discern where exactly specific tech problems lie, when and if they occur. There was also talk of an additional tech support resource that hasn't been posted publicly. I hope chicas who work sm pass it around to each other privately to make sure everyone is equipped with the best info available to make the most $$$$ possible.
Beyond the lols and the social aspect, that's why we're all here, right? Luckily many of us have faith in our ability to continue making wicked $$$$ in this business, and I think it's important to foster an atmosphere wherein new cam chicas and recent arrivals to cc (no matter how experienced they may be) get the message that this is the place to share info that facilitates success.
A word on my moderation, since it was brought up...I certainly have no intention of editing posts that deal with this theory in threads wherein it has become a central focus of debate, but I don't think it serves the needs of the collective membership of cc to have the one voice attempt to shape the course of every discussion. This forum belongs to every member of it. The aims of no one person take precedence over the group.
Since the theory posted in abundance throughout cc is apparently going on hiatus, I'll leave things there. I hope all of you who work sm can work together to figure out how best to deal with tech issues when they occur.
peace and $$$$ (and a non-wonky sm) y'all
LAChloe
10-22-2012, 05:33 PM
(Loveshooks- I just want to tell you what an eloquent writer and communicator you are. You should have gone to Law School. :) )
MotherTang
10-22-2012, 05:42 PM
I am in the top ranks and consistently make over $100/hr. In fact if I make less than $100/hr now I get pretty irritated. (Yes, I know I'm spoiled.)
And I still rarely have issues.
So..... ok. I'm only putting it out there to say that even the top girls with lots of traffic who make lots of money get by with zero glitches or isssues, while others who make $10/hr might be crashing every 5 minutes. So I don't think the two are related.
Also, I split cam with 2 sites every night, 3 on occasion and still don't experience errors. So I think the idea that it depends on what sever you get connected to seems to be the most logical explanation at this point...
I usually make more than that per hour and still have issues. I am a common poster here under a new username ;)
(Loveshooks- I just want to tell you what an eloquent writer and communicator you are. You should have gone to Law School. :) )
Lol I agree. Such a good choice for a MOD
Again, this is just my opinion but I've always interpreted Melonie's posts to mean that cam girls who aren't making more than they are costing in bandwidth are the "marginal" cam girls that would be the ones a cam site owner might want to.... "get rid of"? And not necessarily the majority of us here on stripper web. I mean, the people who are on page 20 streaming for 10 hours a day and bringing in literally pennies... those are the ones costing more than they are making because it still costs money to upload to their server and stream.
I usually love Melonie's posts, but I just feel like this theory has already been proven over & over not to be true. I do get what she's saying though. But girls who make tons of cash per hour should not be having issues if this were true.
And I do agree that girls-next-door are the new pornstar. I also agree that "natural" is the new "enhanced" (except to some fetishists of course). But trends toward natural (which I think started about 4 or 5 years ago) is not only seen in porn/camming, but also in fashion and all other area. Its like that's whats "in" right now. And it makes sense. Trends mirror the economy. In the 90's, the economy was good so that's why it was such a push toward enhancements and materialism. The economy has been bad for 4-5 years now so that's why natural, vintage, and thriftiness are so in fashion. Pretty cool.
SarahTime
10-22-2012, 06:27 PM
And I do agree that girls-next-door are the new pornstar. I also agree that "natural" is the new "enhanced" (except to some fetishists of course). But trends toward natural (which I think started about 4 or 5 years ago) is not only seen in porn/camming, but also in fashion and all other area. Its like that's whats "in" right now. And it makes sense. Trends mirror the economy. In the 90's, the economy was good so that's why it was such a push toward enhancements and materialism. The economy has been bad for 4-5 years now so that's why natural, vintage, and thriftiness are so in fashion. Pretty cool.
I agree, very cool! Well... not cool that the economy sucks, but cool that "natural" is IN!
SarahTime
10-22-2012, 07:09 PM
LOL you're not quite the Queen of Unpopular Opinions until you cross over into the republican-camgirl realm.... come on over.... ;)
(omg pls lets not make this political tho, it's a joke ;) )
justanothercamgirl
10-22-2012, 08:34 PM
LOL you're not quite the Queen of Unpopular Opinions until you cross over into the republican-camgirl realm.... come on over.... ;)
(omg pls lets not make this political tho, it's a joke ;) )
If it makes you feel better, I am Canadian so that joke completely goes over my head. ;)
temptingmodel
10-23-2012, 12:45 PM
I have no clue who you are.... I have a camgirl crush through words ;)
So I think this is gonna be my last two cents on this topic.
First a quick update. yesterday and today I have had Zero glitches with the streamate encoder, and I have not made any adjustments
or changes to anything since the last crash filled night.I also recieved a couple of tweets The last 24 hrs from some "high profile"
camgirls(pornstars if u will) confirming they had been told the same thing as me, (Not Our Fault) Emphasizing my whole purpose of telling my story here.
If I had not been told by streamate, that the last crash was their fault, I would have been going crazy making changes and checking this
and un-installing that, probably screwing up my settings even more. Whether that tv producer was supposed to tell me that or not, we will
probably never know. But it saved me from a lot of headaches friday night. And I thought I might be able to help some other girls out by
pointing out that "hey sometimes its not our fault". Because I myself have been convinced that the issues with streamate and the encoder are
NOT always the models issue to fix. The crappy part about this fact is that we dont know when its our glitch or theirs.
Now Melonie.
As you may know, I have only been part of this forum for a very short time, and I had no Idea about your "Pornstar before camgirl"
concerns, before posting this thread. I really dont want to use the term "marginal camgirl" because I dont think there is such a thing as
a marginal camgirl. And Yes I did thank you for your posts, because I am grateful for your input on the subject and I try my best to Thank
anyone who has any kind of advice, tip, or insight. Sweety, I really feel like you have been getting a lot of negative comments because of
me, and I just want you to know this. I totally understand how you can believe that streamate is trying to promote some, and discourage others.
Hell thoughts like that have crossed MY mind. But I personally dont think that is their agenda. After all, it has been reported many times
that amateur cam-girls are the Only bright light in the adult entertainment industry right now. I think that our industry is currently in the middle
of a full 360 turn. We are almost at the point now where "Camgirls sell more porn" instead of "Pornstars sell more camshows". And I am sure that streamate
and/or Manwin knows this,because they are big enough to read adultbiz etc. Honey Us camgirls ARE the new PORNSTARS, and for streamate or Manwin
To try and swim upstream against this new trend in porn, would surely be suicide in this business.
I am truly flattered that you feel that I am "major competition for ManWin owned production company affiliated porn stars". But in reality,
I am just another camgirl like everyone else here, and we are all PORNSTARS these days. Its not about being a "pornstar" anymore. Its about
being a "virtual girlfriend". Those are the real stars.
I guess that what I am trying to say Melonie is, If you truly believe That your Boss/ Manger/ superior is trying to screw you over, then Its
time to move on and find a new Boss. I would give this advice to anyone in any business, from pornstar to french fry cook. Faith and trust are
a huge part of a succesful employee/manager relationship. Constantly having these kind of suspicions about your workplace is only going to
cause harm to YOUR business sweety, Not theirs. And I'm sure you are better than that.
And I promise ladies I will be more careful with the title of my posts in the future. I'll try not to make them sound like an X-files episode.
IsobelWren
10-26-2012, 10:33 AM
Like I told one of my regulars during the countdown, "You have time for a 420 break before the show starts" and I get a pop-up that says
"DONT TALK ABOUT DRUGS". Since when is saying 420 talking about drugs??
I'm sure someone else already mentioned this...if it's not that you're being sarcastic and i'm just not picking up on it. 420 means smoking marijuana. It's the police code for it..so, yeah, you were talking about drugs. LOL.
IsobelWren
10-26-2012, 10:59 AM
Awww I love Melonie and she is super helpful and puts out some really great advice and information that has been very useful to probably each one of us at some point or another.
Her views on "marginal camgirls" may not be favorable or what anyone really wants to hear... who really wants to think they might be "marginal"? But it does offer a different alternative perspective on the situation, and each of us might not agree with it but I don't think we should start to get catty. IMO Melonie has done pretty well to present her views without being rude about it. The OP didn't seem to take offense by what was said, since she "thanked" Melonie's post.
I think that Melonie can be plenty rude, as evidenced by her use of quotes. In this case, she's using a single quote (which should be a double quote, grammatically) to say, "this term isn't a commonly acknowledged term so I have to use quotes so you know I don't think of it this way." In her posts she's repeatedly said "fear mongering" and also said, "I offer all 'due respect' to the 'impartial' moderation" to show that she doesn't believe the things she's quoted are true or common knowledge. That's about as rude as you can get while attempting to hew to the letter of the SW rules of conduct.
Melonie
10-27-2012, 04:05 AM
I'm not sure what your point actually was in resurrecting this thread after the better part of a week, but you leave me little choice but to respond in my own defense.
In regard to supposed rudeness on my part, perhaps you might want to look at the gifs posted on the previous page. None of those posts contributed any relevant content to this thread, and all were arguably intended as a personal jab. Personally, it's no big deal to me thus I didn't comment when the gifs were first posted.
In regard to my use of quotation marks... and specifically the example you posted "I offer all 'due respect' to the 'impartial' moderation" ... what do you want me to say. The personal jabs on the previous page never received a word of official criticism, and remain posted today. IMHO a moderator initiating a post accusing me of rudeness to others, while apparently ignoring blatantly rude posts to me, requires the use of quotation marks around the word 'impartial'.
A word on my moderation, since it was brought up...I certainly have no intention of editing posts that deal with this theory in threads wherein it has become a central focus of debate, but I don't think it serves the needs of the collective membership of cc to have the one voice attempt to shape the course of every discussion. This forum belongs to every member of it. The aims of no one person take precedence over the group.
Since the theory posted in abundance throughout cc is apparently going on hiatus, I'll leave things there
this statement is impartial ... without quotation marks ! ( and also greatly appreciated )
loveshooks
10-27-2012, 05:21 AM
^^^I too would like to put this thread to bed, at least on this issue
that said, I left those gifs up because I felt the sentiment represented the PM's and emails I received (for weeks) from chicas who have been leery to post thoughts/experiences about sm for fear of being made a target by you, as well as those who do make bank who were tired of hearing you pull out the same argument ad nauseum in every thread that remotely relates to sm.
Aside from the central mistake you made in this thread in (re)centralizing your theory on a chica who banks on sm, the corollary mistake you made was in attributing the sentiment behind my posts/mod decisions to my thoughts alone, when what I was striving to do was grant everyone an equal say in topical discussions. I make decisions based upon the overall feedback I receive from this community. The total sum of which expressed a desire for you to not monopolize every thread relating to sm with your viewpoint.
The reality is, when you co-opt (yet another) thread for your own purposes, you will receive feedback from those who actually have a stake in this forum. In this job. On sm.
You aren't permitted to co-opt the discussion here. You choose to attack a newcomer to sw for your own purposes and others respond with gifs. I will not silence them when I've granted you free license in every thread (including this one) that isn't an obvious cross-post about this issue. In that I am most definitely partial. I refuse to allow any individual member to chase away or silence any member of our forum.
For what it's worth, I appreciated your last 'cam girl'-related post, in that you've apparently come around to the notion that those who work hard can earn well. Considering your previous posting history in cc, I doubt this sea change would have occurred had I not granted license to those who expressed an alternate viewpoint to your own. As a central mod tenet I've tried to impart previously, neither you nor I work the actual cam site in question. Our layman's views are not of central importance here.
The views and experiences of those who actually work the site in question are.
Hence my mod decisions.
drearea
10-27-2012, 06:52 AM
None of those posts contributed any relevant content to this thread
The last thing I'll say about this, the above statement can be said about all of your posts in this thread. All. Of. Them.
Fridays
10-27-2012, 09:55 AM
what............ just happened?
If SM would be a realtor company and we would be realtors..
and if SM would pays us gas money to go talk to potential clients/view houses...
if SM would have 700 realtors paying them all gas money...
and only 50-100 of the realtors would bring it $100/day for the company..
and the rest would bring the company.. $5/day, while the gas money would be way more than that....
wouldnt SM tell the other 600 realtors " listen, sorry,you;re costing us too much, we have to let you go"..??
No?
Yes!
From a business stand point , Melonie is right.
Its always a matter or expenses versus income.
And if its not, the manager needs to be fired......
Servers that are able to hold all the information that all the cam girls on a site are sending out on the internet are extremely expensive to the point that if we knew the real number we;d probably feel sorry for the site.. lol
marginal camgirls to be pushed to the side in favor of porn stars is totally understandable.
might not happen tomorrow, but it can happen...
Who;s worried about it?
Try to finish some education, get some degree, take some classes, get some certifications meanwhile.... so you can always be in a better position of finding another job if needs be. ( I was almost about to write" find a real job" LOL- heard it too many times,,)..
drearea
10-27-2012, 10:05 AM
what............ just happened?
If SM would be a realtor company and we would be realtors..
and if SM would pays us gas money to go talk to potential clients/view houses...
if SM would have 700 realtors paying them all gas money...
and only 50-100 of the realtors would bring it $100/day for the company..
and the rest would bring the company.. $5/day, while the gas money would be way more than that....
wouldnt SM tell the other 600 realtors " listen, sorry,you;re costing us too much, we have to let you go"..??
No?
Yes!
From a business stand point , Melonie is right.
Its always a matter or expenses versus income.
And if its not, the manager needs to be fired......
This would be if we were talking about "marginal camgirls" still. Melonie abandoned that theory for a new theory. The theory that Streamate (Manwin?) is SABOTAGING TOP EARNING GIRLS because they are "competition" for the girls who have performed in Manwin owned productions.
So in your example, Melonie's version of Streamate/Manwin Realty would be removing the realtors that are earning $100+ a day because they are "competition" for people who may not be earning as much because they would rather LOSE money than have "competition" (even if that "competition" is actually working for the company and brings in the VAST majority of the revenue).
That is why this thread turned into what it did. It's not even logical anymore unless Streamate/Manwin is going to remove 80%+ of it's top earners (most top earners are not performing in Manwin productions) because... Well who knows why?
I stood silently with the "marginal camgirl" theory because it DOES make sense. When you start LITERALLY making the suggestion that TOP EARNERS are being SABOTAGED because they are "competition", that's when you need to take a step back and think about how logical and businesslike that would actually be.
For Streamate/Manwin to do what Melonie has suggested in this thread, it would literally be financial/business suicide.
P.S. Clearly I lied in my previous post.
MotherTang
10-27-2012, 02:08 PM
From a business stand point , Melonie is right.
Its always a matter or expenses versus income.
And if its not, the manager needs to be fired......
Servers that are able to hold all the information that all the cam girls on a site are sending out on the internet are extremely expensive to the point that if we knew the real number we;d probably feel sorry for the site.. lol
marginal camgirls to be pushed to the side in favor of porn stars is totally understandable.
might not happen tomorrow, but it can happen...
Who;s worried about it?
Try to finish some education, get some degree, take some classes, get some certifications meanwhile.... so you can always be in a better position of finding another job if needs be. ( I was almost about to write" find a real job" LOL- heard it too many times,,)..
lol did you not get why melonie is wrong in this case? Its because this issue IS happening to pornstars AND top girls who make a lot of money as well as girls who make way less, so it invalidates the argument that Streamate is purposely fucking up the feed/encoder to discourage "marginal" cam girls from camming. Most of the girls this is happening to are not marginal at all. A lot are pornstars in the pornstar category.
Fridays
10-27-2012, 02:10 PM
This would be if we were talking about "marginal camgirls" still. Melonie abandoned that theory for a new theory. The theory that Streamate (Manwin?) is SABOTAGING TOP EARNING GIRLS because they are "competition" for the girls who have performed in Manwin owned productions.
.
Could be.
Does anyone know for sure if its like that or not?
Nope.
Even if its not yet, it could happen.
the possibility is there and she has the right to express her opinion about it...
maybe not now, but in the future, who knows..
I mean they are promoting porn stars in those big promos in the left upper corner.
Studios girls DO get front page listing..
I;d not be surprised if porn stars, part of big studios, would get the same treatment.
MotherTang
10-27-2012, 02:15 PM
Could be.
Does anyone know for sure if its like that or not?
Nope.
Even if its not yet, it could happen.
the possibility is there and she has the right to express her opinion about it...
maybe not now, but in the future, who knows..
I mean they are promoting porn stars in those big promos in the left upper corner.
Studios girls DO get front page listing..
I;d not be surprised if porn stars, part of big studios, would get the same treatment.
No, it can't be true. Why? Because PORNSTARS who are already pornstars and in the pornstar category tweet all the time about how the encoder crashed or goes black. I'm in the pornstar category and it still happens to me from time to time.
drearea
10-27-2012, 02:19 PM
Could be.
Does anyone know for sure if its like that or not?
Nope.
Even if its not yet, it could happen.
the possibility is there and she has the right to express her opinion about it...
maybe not now, but in the future, who knows..
I mean they are promoting porn stars in those big promos in the left upper corner.
Studios girls DO get front page listing..
I;d not be surprised if porn stars, part of big studios, would get the same treatment.
That's neglecting that we have porn stars in this thread and on this forum who have the same issues, as well as the many porn stars on twitter who complain about these issues.
Either way, if there's no evidence to substantiate such a rash claim, the girls here may or may not get upset about it. I'm an easily irked person so I will always admit to responding irrationally even if I'm not sure that I did. I think here I have responded irrationally in a few posts. I just don't like seeing all this speculation with no evidence and except what can be considered contradictory evidence. If we can stick to one unsubstantiated theory at a time I think that would be best if it has to happen at all.
loveshooks
10-27-2012, 02:43 PM
^^^well said
Since the issue is gonna go on vacation for a while, I'm gonna put it to bed in this thread as well
We don't need to prove that we can still make amazing $$$$, so I figure it's probably best for all of us to move on from a discussion that centers around conjecture as to why we can't