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Athenathefabulous
12-21-2012, 06:12 AM
Yeah, some people care about videos of them popping up, others don't. It's also a matter of exposure. I cammed for a few months 4 years ago and never had anything surface (that I know of) I also hid my face and did some vids too without any backlash. I'm just now getting into it again, and working at a site where they let their guys record us. I suppose I'd rather have a video of myself with people that know me "questionable" (considering you can disguise yourself) finding out, rather then the awkward moment of bumping into someone I know at the club. Either way, you can always deny it, or you can just not give a fuck. I mean, if it comes to judging, anyone watching the vid, or going to the club shouldn't be in the clear either. I don't think the chances of people being discovered are all that great. This of course is my opinion.

Like Incantacious stated, there's a huge difference between hustling online, and at the club. The club is limited to the max capacity of customers inside the club daily/weekly. Camming exposes you to hundreds/thousands of men worldwide who don't have to leave their home and can tailor the show to their wants and needs. You are competing, but you aren't limited because no matter what you look like, or your body shape, you will make money. Also, you have choices. You don't have to dildo your pussy if you don't want to. How many girls at the club make money with their clothes on? Of course club money is physical, and that's awesome because you know exactly how much you have in hand at the end of the night. There's also daily pay with camming too. Cam girls usually have to hustle to make $1k a week, at the club you can hustle men, walk up to them, talk to them, with camming, they choose you unless you expose yourself independently to the type of client you want (magazines, wealthy men). Mainly, they choose you. I think with camming you obviously have a higher chance of exposure.


if you are making as much or more as a stripper, then it makes sense. however, the most clickedo ption of this poll was "i never make 1000 a week."

i say the same stuff to low earning dancers. if you take off your clothes for money, it should be a lot of money.

Classy_Katy
12-21-2012, 06:14 AM
OMG...I was going to post earlier how the energy in this thread felt really good, and that I also think having a poll like this has been a great idea.

Of course...something has to come along to derail it and trash it.

Incantatious
12-21-2012, 06:22 AM
Your lack of understanding about this industry and your own market is so naive, and your tone is so accusatory (like woo! It's all my fault when you don't make enough cash!), that it borders on adorable.


And people will do what makes them money, just the same as you. And what I do, or anyone else does, for their living, is none of your concern unless you're paying our bills, which you aren't - so why the attitude?

Athenathefabulous
12-21-2012, 06:23 AM
Okay, so you're bitter. Not our problem. We may share the same industry, but the two are different. The same thing can be said about strippers through the eyes of a prostitute. "Damn, these lazy bitches are dancing for the money, why I just sucked a dick for the price of that dollar dance !?" So tell me again how we're devalluing the industry again? The last time I've checked, sex sells and it doesn't matter how you dress it up, virtual, or physical. Not every girl is dildoing her poon for $0.99 per min here. I happen to do this as a side, side, side gig because I enjoy being involved in the sex industry. If you're so happy where you are as a stripper, good for you, stay doing it, but you don't have to act sour towards us camgirls just because we choose do make our money differently.

you clearly misunderstand how doing little for a lot of money works.

that prostitute is a moron. A successful sex worker SHOULD be thinking how can i do as little as possible for as much money as possible. And the more that think like that, the better it is for all of us. The more of us who charge a lot for our LUXURY FANTASY service, the more all of us make. girls who do everything under the sun for a few bucks are what ruin it for the rest of us who actually want to make some serious fuckin money

also, im not bitter. i work less than 6 months out of the yr and spend the other half traveling (greetings from cusco, peru. way better than always sitting on your ass in one location). Im just aware of how the industry is changing and why it is changing. im not the only one who thinks this. its been posted 500000000x on this site already.

also-- to the girl who is angry at me for derailing a 'positive thread'-- i dont understand how any poll where the most selected answer is 'i barely make any fuckin money' is a positive thread. if the most selected answer was 'i make more than 1k a week,' then it would be a positive thread. but, its not.

Classy_Katy
12-21-2012, 06:32 AM
I said that the energy of the thread felt good...your judgment on the content of the thread is a completely different thing.

Just because you have an opinion, it doesn't mean you have to share it. You are derailing the thread.

JayATee
12-21-2012, 06:39 AM
I said that the energy of the thread felt good...your judgment on the content of the thread is a completely different thing.

Just because you have an opinion, it doesn't mean you have to share it. You are derailing the thread.

Actually that's the whole point of a public forum dear. People share their opinions. Don't like it? Don't post. :)

Classy_Katy
12-21-2012, 06:47 AM
Actually that's the whole point of a public forum dear. People share their opinions. Don't like it? Don't post. :)

Don't patronise me! Yes, people do share opinions...some opinions are best kept to ourselves though, the ones who don't apply that filter get banned. Lets keep this a nice place to be...

Incantatious
12-21-2012, 06:50 AM
Another stripper?... Strange. Why do I sense some kind of rally? Because it doesn't take a genius to figure out that we actually felt comfortable happily discussing our earnings in our own section and feeling just fine before this childish, trollish nonsense. How about this - not a camgirl? Don't post here. :) Shouldn't be too difficult, unless you completely lack basic navigational skills...

I don't think us camgirls want CC to turn into a stomping ground for bored strippers who want to 'law down the law' on other sex workers.

kortneykay
12-21-2012, 06:55 AM
if you are making as much or more as a stripper, then it makes sense. however, the most clickedo ption of this poll was "i never make 1000 a week."


i say the same stuff to low earning dancers. if you take off your clothes for money, it should be a lot of money. if you are going to be a stripper and average less than 200 a night, gtfo you are just taking up space. girls like that arent cut out for the industry and often end up doing extras. you should be a sex worker to make MORE than other jobs that require no education. not to make less or equal.


also i highly doubt there are cam girls out there making as much as strppers without taking off clothes. lets be realistic.


I get what you're saying, you want girls to make the most money, but there are girls in every industry that don't make as much as they could. But your argument seems to rotate around "appearances" as well as YOUR opinion. Have you ever thought that some girls are in sex work because they WANT to be? Not everyone does it for money, and it's rude to sit there and TELL people why they should be in an industry. I don't NEED to make X amount a day/week. I don't pay rent, nor do I have a car note, an insurance bill, food, etc. MOST girls are working to support themselves, but not ALL of us. A stripper who is making $200 or less a night may or may not be happy with that. Who are you to choose though? $200 a night based on where one lives, their bills, their expenses is different from yours. $200 a night for me is a nice savings stash and a lot of people are happy with that. Also, there are some girls who NEED to be camgirls, hoes, whatever else. A lot of strip clubs turn girls away because they are too short, too ugly, too fat, too whatever. Sometimes you do what you gotta do, but it doesn't mean they don't have a choice and shouldn't be a sex worker. Are you serious?


How realistic do you want to be? I'm going to post one of several paypal transactions from a virtual admirer that I still have to this day WITHOUT taking my clothes off. Now tell me that cam girls don't make as much if not more than strippers. Girl, please! Also, not only did I not do anything for it, he's still trying to pay a bitch. And he's not the only one either. I also have other means of receiving my money just in case you get curious at the "gaps" in payment. There are lots of cam models who make more or the same amount as strippers, and there are money mistresses, and financial domination fantasies...the list goes on, the sex industry is too wide to compare to stripping and earnings.

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http://i49.tinypic.com/11cefdx.jpg

Now, please excuse me, I have to run to Anger Management class but I'll be back to check in on the "debate"

kortneykay
12-21-2012, 06:59 AM
Oh, I forgot, things are much different for independent cam girls! If it weren't for the main box sites handing out 35% of earnings, a lot of those "cam girls" you speak of would and do bank.

Incantatious
12-21-2012, 07:24 AM
Whose fault is it that sex work is changing or expanding? Mine? All of us camgirls on here? Who? Lol. People will do what makes them money.

If the strippers that have invaded this thread all want someone to blame, like some kind of twisted witch-hunt whereby you're all looking for someone to roast for whatever reason (your work suffering?), why don't you blame the nature of the industry rather than come here with this attitude where you blame us? It's outright stupid to invade a different area of sex work and start throwing your toys out of your pram. Just because some guys have said "why don't you do this? Why don't you do that?" (which, by the way, WE also get! It is inevitable! We simply move on though) doesn't mean it's my fault, or any camgirls fault!

Do you know how many guys can watch pretty much anything for FREE - on tubesites? Tube sites dominate the internet. Why don't you send angry messages to those guys? If I get guys whine at me, telling me to shove god knows what into my ass for $1, I ban the fuckers and move on! I focus my attention and energy onto the guys who do spend a fucklot to talk to me. I've reined in $100+ an hour at my best that I'm more than happy with. The reason I don't make $1000+ a week? I work 1 - 2 nights a week for a couple of hours because of my health.

Just like you, I choose my work based on my needs and requirements. And none of us can, or should be held responsible for other girls in different areas of work not doing as well.

Bottom line: Blaming other girls for your inability to handle industry changes is not a strength! Neither is whining about it. You need to roll with the punches and adapt.

Cam_Model_Jess
12-21-2012, 07:37 AM
Okay, let's get this back on track. If you want to start a debate about stripping vs. camming or about if we're selling ourselves for too little, please start a thread to that effect. Don't start a fight in a thread that was meant to UPLIFT and motivate us. Camgirls post in threads strippers started too, so I don't think that should be the issue. It's an open site & we're not restricted to a certain section. What is a problem is being rude, bringing an attitude to a positive thread, or judging a whole group of people based on a highly-inaccurate internet pole & some preconceived notions. Maybe this conversation could be really enlightening... in a different thread. In truth, a lot of girls could probably benefit from a discussion on whether or not they're making enough to justify doing this job. I like to kick camgirls' asses, and I do it with love in my heart.

A lot of us aren't open about our income, myself included. The pole only allows us to say whether or not we make $1k, not $2k or $3k, and doesn't include adult industry income other than camming. It also doesn't allow the option to say whether our income currently falls short of, meets, or exceeds our needs. I can tell you that I sure as heck make more than I would make stripping (cuz I have no moves ;) ), I make about 4x what I would make as a waitress, and at least twice what I would make using my degree. I also have health problems that caused me to miss a lot of work when I worked away from home. There are a lot of things to consider with this job.

Thank you, Incantatious for starting this. I understand the need to be motivated. Personally, I do very little work a lot of days for the money I make. I know that if I worked harder I could make more money. This thread motivates me to work harder because I thought I was doing really well. Seeing how many people are making $1k in fewer hours than it takes me to make it, and (from other threads) seeing how many people have $1500 and $2k/wk goals... well, I need to step up my game.

Happy vibes and lots of money-making luck to all of us! :)

lokikola
12-21-2012, 07:51 AM
Well even if you guys are making 50 cents a minute I'm glad you're making something. But are camgirls always making money off their work? I see a lot of camgirl's shows on free porn sites all the time.

Seeing the pole results is further confirmation to me about why I personally would not cam. I remember once reading about these sites being able to record your shows and sell them/use them for ads and not have to compensate you.... so even if you're making .50 a minute your content can possibly still be used and profits made from it or even watched time and time again and that is all you get. That is bullshit in my opinion. If thats cool with you guys, more power to you.

Even among the girls I work with, some piss me off, the girls who not only spread their legs wide open within inches of a customer's face but also use their hands to spread their genitals, well, if I'm on stage after her I need to spend time sanitizing the pole, and then I have some douche bag with a crumpled bill in his mouth wanting me to grab it with my ass/pussy/tits. I dont think so. Someone once told me, if you're sweating, you're working too hard. Thats kinda funny because I always sweat when I finish my stage set, but for me working to hard is being an inch away from fingering yourself or putting your bare ass/pussy in a custies face from the stage for a crusty 5 or even 10 dollar bill (which from what I'm reading is still more than what you guys would get to finger yourself and let a guy watch).

I'm sure there are things you guys have read in the Stripping section that makes some of you wonder how/why the fuck we do it. That's fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions based on our observations/experiences (hopefully).

In the end though, I blame men, after all, they control the industry and they are also the demand. We are the supply, and theres just too many of us and out of desperation some go beyond the call of duty to make an extra buck.

I don't have anything against camgirls. I prefer girls do this on the internet for little money than in my club where I'm trying to make big money while keeping my panties on.

Incantatious
12-21-2012, 07:51 AM
Thank you, Incantatious for starting this. I understand the need to be motivated. Personally, I do very little work a lot of days for the money I make. I know that if I worked harder I could make more money. This thread motivates me to work harder because I thought I was doing really well. Seeing how many people are making $1k in fewer hours than it takes me to make it, and (from other threads) seeing how many people have $1500 and $2k/wk goals... well, I need to step up my game.

Happy vibes and lots of money-making luck to all of us! :)

Cheers Jess! :) And thank you for getting us back on track.

That's all this thread was intended for: to motivate. A lot of us want $1000 a week, and the wonderful thing about camming is that it's possible to pretty much make as much as you want, if you just put in the hours and do your networking. If anything, it's uplifting to see that girls are still making what they need and want to make ~ all the more power to you girls who, like me, don't need $1000 a week, but are happy and successful, living on what suits them.

If I needed to make $1000 a week, damn straight I would be! And I could do that with camming. But I don't need to make that much, so I enjoy a lot of time off and work little hours to support myself! XD

I have to say though, this is definitely the last thread I'm going to make about this kind of thing, no matter what the intentions. I've been wondering why drama has been following me lately... My apologies to the mods! <3

Cam_Model_Jess
12-21-2012, 08:00 AM
Back-handed compliments don't really belong here either.

Come one, girls. Let's keep this positive. There's too much negativity in CC, and those threads have their place, just as this one does.

twistedprincess
12-21-2012, 08:12 AM
I checked never, and I'm sure many girls can agree with this, because I do NOT work the hours. I do, at maximum, 10 hours a week from the convenience of my house when I feel like getting on cam. I make a very good hourly wage, I just don't put in the hours. I'd say I average about 6 hours a week.

Anywho, to all girls in all professions, I hope you make bank (or at least what you need to live how you want)! No matter what niche you're in--stripper, camgirl, escort--as long as you love it and make what you want then you're doing it right. :)

Incantatious
12-21-2012, 08:47 AM
^ I agree twistedprincess!

Just because some of us are making less than 1k a week, doesn't mean we are undercharging our services.
This is very important when assessing how "worth it", this work is to any of us.

Also, how much we are making a week has no bearing on how successful we are. Not that anyone here should face this in the first place, but this is another reason that one look at our weekly earnings doesn't mean we ought to be blamed, much less insulted or attempt to be shamed:

Example -
CamGirl 1: Charges $7.99 per min for light pussy play / fingering, bouncing tits, stripteases, and lotion shows.
Makes $100 an hour.
Works 6 hours a week.
Total weekly earnings: $600.

CamGirl 2: Charges $2.99 per min for dp, atm, sph, role play, gaping, gagging, extreme anal and pussy toys, 20 free pics and 5 free videos with every show, and an "anything goes!" mentality.
Makes $30 an hour.
Works 40 hours a week.
Total weekly earnings: $1200.

It is fairly common now for people to just take one shallow look at someone else's weekly earnings and say outright, "PAH! That isn't worth it"... When it has been said before, that there is more to be taken into account than just weekly average, a big part of that is the actual hours each performer puts in, as well as her hourly average and what she charges for what she does.

All I hope to show by posting this, is that there are girls who could actually be earning more than $1200 a week, but be scraping the barrel to get there in relative terms to other camgirls, and be doing the very things the strippers in this thread have fought with us about (charging something as small as 2.99 per min for a huge range of abilities and expertise!) I rest my case!

anonymous camgirl
12-21-2012, 09:15 AM
My goal has always been $2000 a week and I only hit that the summer of 2006... working 30 hours .. thanks to camgirlshide which is NO more .. This was completely doable being an independent camgirl
With BIG BOX sites as you call them! it's a struggle to make $1000 or more.. it really is.. by the time i get to maybe 1200-1300 I wanna drop dead!.. Currently my goal is $1500 a week.. haven't hit it in awhile and/or yet! but I will!... big box sites really suck!!..lol
It is really sad though that everyone's attainable goal is $1000 a week.. that's gross (before taxes) which is NOT Much .. i know! i have been raising 2 kids by myself off that for a Decade now!.. You can't really have that much.. And ALL of US! should be making waaaaaaaaaaaaay more than $1000 a week.. so let's get to it!

twistedprincess
12-21-2012, 09:18 AM
Love, peace, and coconut oil! :)

GlamourRouge
12-21-2012, 09:54 AM
man, coming from a dancer who has never cammed, i honestly cant believe that so many girls would cam for less than 1k a week.

Many cammers also make over $1,000 in 1 day in the same 8 or 9 hour dancing shift. I do, if I actually work that many hours in a day.

How much you make depends on the girl, and how much she wants to work. Majority of the time, its not that the girl isn't making money due to lack of customers, its usually due to not logging on... which is just like not going to the club to work. So essentially its like the same thing. Its not really that most girls charge too low, because those girls have horrible placement because placement is based on how much money you've made in the last week or 2. Not making good $$$ is solely from not logging on. And who says you have to work tons of hours? Work as many or as little as you want.

kortneykay
12-21-2012, 09:59 AM
I agree, blame the industry. Before cam girls started flooding the market, guys were getting off to porn for free thanks to leaked content. Tapes and DVD sales went down as well. 9 out of 10 if a girl's video is leaked on the net it is usually because of marketing, or someone recorded it. Nothing you can do about that. As for cheap, well cheap lives everywhere, including the club. I've gone to clubs where I've shelled out "crumbled" up 5s and 10s and have seen quite a few girls dancing for nothing. If a guy is there and he doesn't spend, you aren't going to get his money but he still saw you take your clothes off.

GlamourRouge
12-21-2012, 10:01 AM
I agree, blame the industry. Before cam girls started flooding the market, guys were getting off to porn for free thanks to leaked content. Tapes and DVD sales went down as well. 9 out of 10 if a girl's video is leaked on the net it is usually because of marketing, or someone recorded it. Nothing you can do about that. As for cheap, well cheap lives everywhere, including the club. I've gone to clubs where I've shelled out "crumbled" up 5s and 10s and have seen quite a few girls dancing for nothing. If a guy is there and he doesn't spend, you aren't going to get his money but he still saw you take your clothes off.

Yep. I live in California and don't really want to move out, and there's not that much $$$ dancing here. I make wayyyy more camming. However, if I lived in Texas or Georgia, I would probably do both. But I don't. And I'm not going to.

GlamourRouge
12-21-2012, 10:07 AM
because as someone who has danced for a while, i have seen the same industry shift that many other girls have also witnessed where people are doing too much for too little.


That is not anyone on StripperWeb TBH. Girls don't charge too little in this case, they just don't log on. Many are disabled, don't have stable living situations + internet, are students, only want to work part time, and that's why they don't make $1000 a week. But when they are on, they are making $60 - $120ish an hour. That's common on cam.



also, seriously, you guys are making less than 50k a yr. it sounds like many of you are making less than 30k a yr. thats fuckin ridiculous i could make that much being a waitress.

Again, this is due to not logging on and not wanting to put in the hours... much like a stripper who only dances 1 night a week. Nothing to do with undercharging.

Missbeth
12-21-2012, 10:12 AM
That is not anyone on StripperWeb TBH. Girls don't charge too little in this case, they just don't log on. Many are disabled, don't have stable living situations + internet, are students, only want to work part time, and that's why they don't make $1000 a week. But when they are on, they are making $60 - $120ish an hour. That's common on cam.

Again, this is due to not logging on and not wanting to put in the hours... much like a stripper who only dances 1 night a week. Nothing to do with undercharging.

Exactly this.....If I put it in 30-40 hours a week I would be making 2000-2500 a week... put I'd rather put in 20 hours and not work every singe day...which I plan on changing these next few weeks....

I prefer not to talk about earnings but Im at a little over 20 hrs this week and at $1400....which would be the same as working a couple doubles and a single shift at a club and pulling $300 each single shift...however where I live the money in stripping isnt there..
My friend is a top earner at the clup here and a good shift is $250 for her...and oh yeah thats a double so 8 hours...

On top of that I don't fall into the "stripper lifestyle" because I AM at home...not traveling or whatever...so I get to save my money not spend it..I dont have cash in hand at the end of the night...I have to wait til the end of the week then get a check..then put it in my bank account...

temptingmodel
12-21-2012, 10:24 AM
Ya know, I have seen it ALL. Sounds like a traveling dancer and of course they make bank. (clubs, promos, the tips blah, you know "feature" get $$)So OH WELL to that. Much love and many travels as long as yours days last as a entertainer.

Bless your heart for stepping in and pointing out that "traveling" entertainers do make bank. ;) I love Peru, the snorkeling there is absolutely amazing and the feel of the community is really warm and welcoming. Enjoy your stay there.

I know dancers who make less than 100 a night, I know dancers that travel 3 or more hours to dance at a decent club or hide identity. I have seen it all. From a housemom to a dancer I have seen it all. Some girls bank and some girls just suck. Its a fact of life.

This poll only went up to $1000.00 that does not mean the cut off is 1k. That means the poll went only to 1k. A LOT OF US ARE VERY SUCCESSFUL.
Its a hustle, a easy hustle, mentally tiring, not as physical like dancing.

Everyone has reason for not doing one thing or another. All of us have a opinion.

This poll was put up for the sake of motivation...curiosity and A LOT of cammers have other PROFESSIONAL gigs. It all depends.

In this business all around we deal with different personalities. Some personalities get along and some do not.

If there is a disagreement and obvious henpecking back and forth, the obvious would be ... don't engage each other.

Keep it professional.

Now , lets play nice.

blkschoolgirl
12-21-2012, 10:28 AM
If I could be working at a club and making more I would. I turned to camming after being turned down from local clubs because they had a black girl quota. I suppose I could just stick around and wait for my turn to be hired but why subject myself to that? I guess I could become a traveling stripper, but I have a life here at home. Also, what clubs hire BBWs that have the same or even higher earning potential for them? Lots of girls get into camming because the startup is very inexpensive, no need to buy the heels, acrylics, and licenses you may need. You can do it on your own time without manager-imposed schedules and smelling like cigarettes.

edit: I was a dancer for over a year. I enjoyed the cash, but I suffered from back and ankle problems. I was finding myself being pigeon-holed into certain types of clubs, one of them had a staph outbreak and shots fired in the parking lots. Just...unbelievably stressful. I'm sure stripping is great for your bubble of society, but different strokes for different folks.

thatgirl2011
12-21-2012, 10:54 AM
I'm so sick of positive threads turning into crap

GlamourRouge
12-21-2012, 10:55 AM
Also, lets just point out... fetish and femdom!!! I rarely got to do those in the club! I would get nylon fetishists (because I always wore those) and feet guys, but other than that, I rarely got fetish guys! And fetish and femdom is the reason I love my job so much. You just don't get that opportunity in a stripclub usually.

sexyred
12-21-2012, 12:16 PM
Wow! This thread was so positive!!! I was a stripper for a loooong time and used this forum as a tool for that. Most of my friends are still strippers and do not share the sentiment about camgirls undercutting. Camming and stripping are quite different, but that is neither here nor there. The fact is, why cut others down?? In fact, I make much more than $1k a week and I'm relatively new. But that isn't the point of this thread!!! Plus, I love making money sitting in my basement, not going out to a club and physically being naked. So yeah cam chicks, we rock!!!! I love living my life on the internet.

Also, I hesitated writing this, but I have danced with the OP and perhaps everything she says isn't quite accurate.... Anyway, back to making money ladies! Rock that end of the world angle!!

LaurenAus
12-21-2012, 12:25 PM
Great points were made from both sides, but I'm not feeling the rift being created between strippers and cam girls on this forum. Stripping is why this forum was created in the first place, and I see cammers posting in the stripping section so I guess I don't see the the big issue with dancers poking their heads in and offering their perspective. Plenty of threads in this section turn to shit anyways even when dancers stay out of them.

Incantatious
12-21-2012, 12:25 PM
I have danced with the OP and perhaps everything she says isn't quite accurate....

Err...? You danced with me? Care to explain? Lol.

Incantatious
12-21-2012, 12:28 PM
Great points were made from both sides, but I'm not feeling the rift being created between strippers and cam girls on this forum. Stripping is why this forum was created in the first place, and I see cammers posting in the stripping section so I guess I don't see the the big issue with dancers poking their heads in and offering their perspective. Plenty of threads in this section turn to shit anyways even when dancers stay out of them.

The issue wasn't with strippers posting in this section.

I'm certainly not stripper'ist'! I dig it when strippers post in this section in fact! If they're not being nasty, that is.
The issue was with them attacking us - they just happened to be strippers.

sexyred
12-21-2012, 12:31 PM
Nope, Athena.... Just didn't want to call out her name!!!

Incantatious
12-21-2012, 12:35 PM
Nope, Athena.... Just didn't want to call out her name!!!

Ohh! When you said OP for the past couple minutes I was sitting like ...whaaaaaaaaaa is even going oooonnnn?

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GlamourRouge
12-21-2012, 12:36 PM
Great points were made from both sides, but I'm not feeling the rift being created between strippers and cam girls on this forum. Stripping is why this forum was created in the first place, and I see cammers posting in the stripping section so I guess I don't see the the big issue with dancers poking their heads in and offering their perspective. Plenty of threads in this section turn to shit anyways even when dancers stay out of them.

Cammers post in other sections because they dance/danced/dance occassionally too! So, logically both sides pertain to them. But this issue is that strippers make dumb judgements that aren't even true! Cammers who make $1000 or less per week are just not putting in enough hours. Its like screaming at a stripper for not making over $1000 each week when she only works 1 night a week and doesn't want/can't work more than that. lol, that's why its funny/annoying. Because they don't understand.

loveshooks
12-21-2012, 12:37 PM
what the actual fuck?

the judgement is just...I don't get it.

chicas who are members of sw are located in their own unique circumstances...some are full time cam girls and earn a high income by anyone's standards, some work a few hours a week and make the $$$$ they need, some have disabilities, some are new to the job and others are veterans, some are healthy and have the time/energy to do this job amazingly well and earn large, some have found in camming a way to achieve economic independence that they wouldn't have achieved otherwise. This is supposed to be a place where we can talk about various aspects of our job and inspire ourselves/others with what IS possible in camming, not a place where different areas of the industry collide in a mess of snarky judgement.

[on that note, I want to issue an apology to Incantacious on behalf of cc. This is the second time a thread posted by a hard-working and inspiring member of this community has been messed up by mean-spirited people who clearly lack the imagination to fathom that anyone could be in different circumstances than they. It's unacceptable and bullying, and Incantacious, I'm sorry. After everything you've contributed to this forum, generously sharing both your experiences of incredible success as well as your temporary moment of challenge, you deserve better than this]

this whole derail was completely unnecessary and totally counter-productive. CC is full of threads that help chicas figure out how to earn a wicked income in camming, just as 'Stripping General' and 'Hustle Hut' is for dancers, and ideally we should be able to have a conversation that includes both high earners as well as cam chicas who are still figuring things out without having the entire discusssion devolve into...this

I hope every chica who isn't currently making the $$$ she wants to make takes from this the lesson that amazing $$$$$ is possible, but that def isn't guaranteed overnight. The same probably holds true for stripping. I've read enough threads over in other sections to know that not every dancer is a high income earner. That doesn't make anyone pathetic or a failure, all that means is that she hasn't figured things out yet.


I'm so sick of positive threads turning into crap

I know alot of us are. What was incredibly helpful about this thread until it was derailed is that it reported both income levels reported and hours invested. Not every chica has a lifestyle conducive to spending the hours necessary on cam to earn wicked $$$$, whether for reasons of illness, a difficult personal life, time, etc. That doesn't make those chicas 'bad' cam girls, and that's not a reflection of the $$$ potential within the industry. That's just...life.

this enlightening thread turned into something mean and ugly for some reason I cannot understand

I'm locking it while I edit out the crap and borrowing CinnamonKiss's siggie:

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