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TheBrownFox
01-08-2013, 08:22 AM
sigh
some chicas work few hours due to other responsibilities or health issues, some are newer cam chicas working themselves up the income ranks one kick ass show at a time. Different people have different sets of goals, different financial situations, different levels of physical ability. I'm honestly baffled as to why that's so difficult for some to fathom. I'm not going to allow another thread to turn into an attack on women who are still in the process of figuring things out and making choices for themselves on their own terms
enough already. I'm tired of the judgement and I know alot of people are. If this thread ends up getting locked I'm handing out points
/threadjack
what would be awesome is if more chicas who are starting out now or still finding their footing report back as the months roll on (as chicas have done in the past) to update on their progress. Setting aside the part-time chicas who are busy pursuing other goals, like many have mentioned in this thread, not every full-time cam chica starts out banking. Many end up doing amazingly well though. The history of this forum is a testament to that.
Well said, loveshooks! I'm sick and tired of the usual 'Negative Nancy' people on here ruining these type of threads.....
I knew I did not like how this sounded....
but I was not sure why...
being very light on the deductions...
500 per week...
500 - 25 % tax (125) = 375
375-5(food/day)= 370
370- 100 (housing)= 275
275- 20(utilities) = 255
255 divide by 7 days = 36 per day
for porn.............
Umm first of all some girls are just doing this for extra money, and secondly some are making topless only porn or non-nude porn these factors also effect earning, assuming everyone is doing the same as you in terms of shows is just doesn't make sense.
As to you not being able to say anything, I think we all know you mean well but I'll be the honest girl in here, whether you mean well as not you come across as looking down your nose at anyone who makes less than you, and nobody wants to take advice from someone who they think is judging them.
Now again I'll be honest I don't know why anyone cares what anyone else thinks of them. Because while I respect the ladies here and have no problems with anyone I give no damns, fucks, or rats' asses what anyone thinks of how I run MY business, as long as I am happy with my money and it is financing my lifestyle.
I'll also add that I left a good paying "respectable" to corporate job because I have fun doing this job, and liking my job was important to me than money. Yes some people have priorities other than cash.
~Carmen~
01-08-2013, 09:32 AM
I'm definitely in this category. Sometimes I don't even make $100 a week but I'm happy because I could not work at all for 10 years. I would still be struggling on the tiny amount I get from SS every month if I had not discovered camming. Every day I'm thankful for the flexibility of this job because there are days like today when I can't physically work. So I'll work Thursday instead if I'm up for it.
I work to pay for unexpected bills that always come up, like right now I need a new crown on one of my teeth. I would be seriously in debt without this extra income.
Missbeth
01-08-2013, 11:55 AM
I don't think Fridays was trying to be rude...I think she's just saying while $500/week may seem good now..we all have to retire on day and what we do on the Internet stays there forever..but we are only earning the money now.
I understand some girls do this as a career (like Fridays) while others just do it to supplement another income...and I love you all so no more fighting plewaaaesee:D
I don't think she was trying to be rude or "looking down her nose" just saying that $500/week isn't really $500/week with taxes... I know she got a little snippy in a previous thread but I don't think that's what's happened here.
However if $500/week is the goal and helps you live comfortably then I'm glad that camming has provided you with that!
But regardless whatever I make on cam I'm happy for :) be it $500 one week or $2000 because in the end I get to work from home, set my limits, and set my own schedule and ths what we all need to focus on!
PrincessLavender
01-08-2013, 11:59 AM
I've been a $500 a week earner since starting. Of course I do have weeks where I make less, but $500 is what I like to make. I'm able to do this in 2 days if I put in the time but after 3 hrs I get bored and log off (I can usually do $100 in 2 1/2 hrs) so I usually end up working 4 days. We are starting to remodel our house so I've decided to do $1000 one week and then $500 every other week in a month. I can usually do $1000 a week if I put 20 - 30 hrs in.
ManyRoses
01-08-2013, 01:11 PM
I knew I did not like how this sounded....
but I was not sure why...
being very light on the deductions...
500 per week...
500 - 25 % tax (125) = 375
375-5(food/day)= 370
370- 100 (housing)= 275
275- 20(utilities) = 255
255 divide by 7 days = 36 per day
for porn.............
Fridays my darling - I know that you are an amazing camgirl, and you earn amounts that would leave most people drooling. I also know that you are trying to encourage camgirls to reach for the sky - to set higher goals, and to not accept anything but truckloads of money being dumped at the door....and that is great! I myself am a fan of your slightly tougher love approach, and I would hate to see you stop posting entirely.
But (and I say this with great love for you) DAYUM did that last line get my hackles up!!
It is a bit of a sore point for me, but it drives me up the wall when people assume that there is no point to working in the sex industry unless you are making vast sums of money.
It assumes that the ONLY reason that someone would work in this industry is for the money. That it isn't a "real" job, or a job that someone should want to have for the sake of it. That the negatives of the job are ONLY balanced out if you have to carry your pay home in a suitcase handcuffed to your wrist.
And that, to me, is an incredibly negative view of the industry. I don't do this job because I think that it is the highest paying job available to me (for the record, it isn't. With training I have now, I could be earning more than this within a few years in another industry). I do it because I LIKE THIS JOB.
Everyone knows that I am a big advocate of trying to change social perception of the adult industry - trying to get the world at large to stop viewing it as a last resort, as a bad job that only desperate or stupid women do, that we would all be doing something else if we could. And the kind of attitude coming across in your post does the exact opposite! It perpetuates the idea that porn is some terrible thing, and we should be paid way more than any other job in order to make up for that.
For me, the risks in the business may be different, but are no worse than the risks involved in the medical profession (killing someone, contracting a deadly disease yourself), in police work (getting killed or seriously injured), in law (being stalked or threatened or even killed over a case)...and the payoff (non-financial) of control, of flexibility, of job security, of simple enjoyment of the work - well, they balance those risks out enough for me, and sod the pay. The fact that we can earn a lot is fantastic, but I do the job because I love the job.
TheBrownFox
01-08-2013, 02:17 PM
I don't think Fridays was trying to be rude...
Whether it was her intention or not, it's rude to make a habit of entering these type of threads (sort of a motivational thread for the 500 and under girls) and basically tsk, tsk, tsk everyone in here. This is why so many girls choose to not reveal their earnings on here...not that it's really anyone's business anyway.
I understand that she is well respected on here for being a veteran poster and a gorgeous high-earning cam girl (yes, she IS gorgeous!), and that she has friends here who want to defend her every time this happens. But maybe, as her friend, send her a PM telling her "I love you girl, but you were wrong for that..." If a person is gonna be all about 'tough love' (or whatever you wish to call it), then when other people tell her about herself, she should be able to take it without getting too offended. And no one's attacking her, by the way.
If a lesser-known cam girl were to come on here saying some of the stuff she says, that girl would get jumped on and be called a Negative Nancy.
If the OP of this thread specifically asked for a higher-earnings cam girl to give everyone a good "kick in the ass" wakeup call, THEN I can see Fridays' post being welcomed. Even the moderator(s) is sick of the drama, and we have EXCELLENT, common-sense moderators on this forum.
Marina Starr
01-08-2013, 02:32 PM
I feel like there's a clique going on in here and a lot of time 'tough love' to me is their way of justifying being bullies. It feels almost like high school where you got the mean girls and I take issues with that.
No one is denying or taking anything away from Fridays for being an amazing cam girl but that doesn't mean we have to kiss her ass. I don't give a damn how much she makes. It doesn't benefit my bank account in the least bit.
Billabong
01-08-2013, 02:32 PM
I don't understand what was supposed to be the purpose of that post anyway. To let us know the $500 a week will indeed pay our bills and give us $ left over? Which .. what's so wrong with that?
Or was it supposed to shame us and make us wanna quit the adult industry? Or shame us and make us wanna do better? In which case people like me who are building themselves up .. what exactly do you want us to do to change things? What exactly can we do to immediately start making $1k a day instead of a measly $100 or so.
I mean if taking the time to build a brand and making a little money while doing it isn't good enough I'd love to know if there's a foolproof shortcut that's a better option.
justanothercamgirl
01-08-2013, 02:39 PM
I knew I did not like how this sounded....
but I was not sure why...
being very light on the deductions...
500 per week...
500 - 25 % tax (125) = 375
375-5(food/day)= 370
370- 100 (housing)= 275
275- 20(utilities) = 255
255 divide by 7 days = 36 per day
for porn.............
now, I am being very light on the deductions. ;)
I have a fatigue disorder that makes working any 'traditional' 9-to-5 job impossible. This means that if I wasn't camming I would be making
$0 per week...
$0 - 25 % tax = $0
$0-5(food/day)= $0
$0- 100 (housing)= $0
$0- 20(utilities) = $0
255 divide by 7 days = 36 per day
and that would leave me homeless and hungry....
Yes, it sucks that it is for porn of me that some company will own of me till the day I die. It really really does. But, some of us just weren't dealt great cards at birth when it comes to physical health. I can work about 2 hours a day. 3 hour if I really want to exhaust myself and then won't have any other energy to maintain my day-to-day life.
My prices are already $9.99/$14.99
I am on the first page of Streamate.
And I am a $500 and under webcam earner.
Do I like this fact? No. But, in my personal experience gnash my teeth at the unfairness of the world just doesn't pay the bills.
TheBrownFox
01-08-2013, 02:40 PM
I feel like there's a clique going on in here and a lot of time 'tough love' to me is their way of justifying being bullies. It feels almost like high school where you got the mean girls and I take issues with that.
No one is denying or taking anything away from Fridays for being an amazing cam girl but that doesn't mean we have to kiss her ass. I don't give a damn how much she makes. It doesn't benefit my bank account in the least bit.
My thoughts exactly. THANK YOU for saying exactly what I wanted to say (I've been biting my tongue).
justanothercamgirl
01-08-2013, 02:44 PM
I feel like there's a clique going on in here and a lot of time 'tough love' to me is their way of justifying being bullies. It feels almost like high school where you got the mean girls and I take issues with that.
No one is denying or taking anything away from Fridays for being an amazing cam girl but that doesn't mean we have to kiss her ass. I don't give a damn how much she makes. It doesn't benefit my bank account in the least bit.
I don't think anyone here is kissing Fridays ass.
And what is this 'mean girls' clique thing you continue to mention? I swear we must be on two different forums. My personal experience on Stripperweb has never reflected this.
Edited to add: Okay, I know better than to write from an emotional place but I am going to do it anyway. If we are all going to start judging other people's opinion as 'too negative' then I am going to need to GTFO. I posted personal information that I was a $500 and under camgirl and that I was on the first page of Streamate to positively help others. I also responded to Fridays post with my own opinion. This being said, I respect her right to express hers. There was no name-calling on her part involved. If she believes that $500 is too little to get paid for porn that she is entitled to express that belief if she does it respectfully. All this talk about 'negativity' in threads is driving me crazy. Who are we to judge others opinions just because it doesn't match ours perfectly.
ManyRoses
01-08-2013, 03:47 PM
now, I am being very light on the deductions. ;)
I have a fatigue disorder that makes working any 'traditional' 9-to-5 job impossible. This means that if I wasn't camming I would be making
$0 per week...
$0 - 25 % tax = $0
$0-5(food/day)= $0
$0- 100 (housing)= $0
$0- 20(utilities) = $0
255 divide by 7 days = 36 per day
and that would leave me homeless and hungry....
Yes, it sucks that it is for porn of me that some company will own of me till the day I die. It really really does. But, some of us just weren't dealt great cards at birth when it comes to physical health. I can work about 2 hours a day. 3 hour if I really want to exhaust myself and then won't have any other energy to maintain my day-to-day life.
My prices are already $9.99/$14.99
I am on the first page of Streamate.
And I am a $500 and under webcam earner.
Do I like this fact? No. But, in my personal experience gnash my teeth at the unfairness of the world just doesn't pay the bills.
Thank you for sharing this! Although...I'm going to re-do some of that math, just for fun!
You can work 2hours per day, and I am assuming that that is 5 days a week? So lets think about the kind of job that could allow you to work 10hours a week....there are a few, although, very, very few. But lets say that you got into a sympathetic Starbucks, or other minimum wage shift job that would allow you to just help out at the busiest time for 2 hours per day.
2hrs a day at minimum wage ($10 where you are, I think) = $20 a day, = $100 a week.
Your tax rate would probably end up waaay lower due to low earning discounts, lets put it all the way down at 10%:
$100 - 10% = $90
Food per day (no idea how Fridays math worked..) at $5 a day is $35 a week. $90 - 35 = $55
So...$55 a week for housing and bills. i.e. $220 a MONTH for rent and bills.
Even if we assume that you can spend $20 a week on food, then you have $70 a week for housing and bills. Oooh, all of $280 a month! My BILLS come to $280 a month.
Like you say - homeless.
Now lets assume you manage to get a slightly better job. That maybe you do freelance assignments or data entry, and get $15 an hour for that.
$15 an hour, 10 hrs per week = $150 per week.
10% tax = $150 - $15 = $135
$25 a week for food (for the sake of an even number) = $135 - $25 = $110.
Well golly, now you would have $440 a month for rent and bills!
Your estimation of $0 for everything may be an exaggeration....but your results of "nope, can't afford to live" are SPOT ON.
Along the same lines, I'd like to point out that just because someone CAN work more, doesn't mean that they WANT to.
$500 a week can be a decent living, depending on your expenses, lifestyle, and where you are. Making judgements and comparisons based on a number is always going to be a little misleading. $500 a week in NYC, LA, Vancouver, Toronto - well, yeah, that isn't great. Average rent (unless you have a VERY cheap share) is going to be around $1000 a month, another few hundred for bills....add in grocery, beauty, health....that 2K a month will cover your ass, and not really leave anything for saving, having a social life, etc. But if you live out in the rural areas or in cheaper towns....your rent could be a few hundred, your bills about half that...If you had $500 a month rent, $500 bills and grocery, $500 tax...you would have $500 a month to spend and save as you please.
For many people, being able to work as little as 10hours a week and have that kind of money to play with is waaaaaaay better than working 30hours a week but having 20hours a week less to study, volunteer, paint, spend with kids....
Money isn't everything.
SarahTime
01-08-2013, 03:52 PM
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Marina Starr
01-08-2013, 03:58 PM
Thanks for sharing! Well if you didn't see, then theres no need for conservation. Your experience is just simply YOURS. I am not going to argue back and forth with you like the last thread that was closed. We are DEFINITELY breathing different air.
I don't think anyone here is kissing Fridays ass.
And what is this 'mean girls' clique thing you continue to mention? I swear we must be on two different forums. My personal experience on Stripperweb has never reflected this.
Edited to add: Okay, I know better than to write from an emotional place but I am going to do it anyway. If we are all going to start judging other people's opinion as 'too negative' then I am going to need to GTFO. I posted personal information that I was a $500 and under camgirl and that I was on the first page of Streamate to positively help others. I also responded to Fridays post with my own opinion. This being said, I respect her right to express hers. There was no name-calling on her part involved. If she believes that $500 is too little to get paid for porn that she is entitled to express that belief if she does it respectfully. All this talk about 'negativity' in threads is driving me crazy. Who are we to judge others opinions just because it doesn't match ours perfectly.
Marina Starr
01-08-2013, 04:02 PM
Girl, don't bite your tongue that's just too painful :)
My thoughts exactly. THANK YOU for saying exactly what I wanted to say (I've been biting my tongue).
HaydenBlue
01-08-2013, 04:04 PM
I think this is a great thread. I'll probably just be repeating a lot of what has been said before, but I'm going to ramble anyways.
For a LONG time I was in the $500 club. Was I ashamed of my earnings? Nope.
I have health issues - So I was extremely grateful that I had a way to work and not be on disability (the cap on earnings scared me - the area that I live is expensive. I'd be stuck living with my parents if I was in that position)
Speaking of caps - this job is cool. What if you have a guy who wants to take your private for 3 hours? Or someone who buys out your entire clip-store? Cool-shit happens and you could make over your amount or your daily goal in just one or two hours! Where if you worked a "regular job" - you'd be busting your ass 40 hrs/week for the same paycheck, you'd have stress, commutes, etc. So besides the unlimited money in this industry - I take that as a huuuuge perk. less stress = happy hayden, lol
And the biggest? While camming still isn't 100% secure - it's more secure than a "reg" job as far as getting fired/laid off. Job security is huge. Unemployment rate is high. I have friends who are struggling, been laid off and are freaking out about money/bills. We, thankfully never have to worry about that kind of thing. As long as we log on we'll have food on our tables and clothes on our backs.
So ya'll don't ever be ashamed by the $ you make. 1) it doesn't define you as a person. 2) fuck what someone else thinks. If you're happy with it, that's all that matters. And those two rules can be applied to anything in your life.
And if you're $500 and wanting to go bigger - it took me like a year? To finally start earning bigger on a repeat and steady basis. And I STILL have bad weeks (that depression fuuuq) but keep going! Don't give up. It's taken me two years to finally get everything organized, my plan, be a better boss to myself, and perfect my hustle. (I'm slow, what can I say, haha)
<3's to bbs.
HaydenBlue
01-08-2013, 04:05 PM
I don't understand what was supposed to be the purpose of that post anyway. To let us know the $500 a week will indeed pay our bills and give us $ left over? Which .. what's so wrong with that?
Or was it supposed to shame us and make us wanna quit the adult industry? Or shame us and make us wanna do better? In which case people like me who are building themselves up .. what exactly do you want us to do to change things? What exactly can we do to immediately start making $1k a day instead of a measly $100 or so.
I mean if taking the time to build a brand and making a little money while doing it isn't good enough I'd love to know if there's a foolproof shortcut that's a better option.
I think there are people who still feel ashamed/hate this industry, while working in it.
The same way people judge us and cry, "Oh my god why would you do something SO shameful, you're disrespecting yourself, etc" is a line people use when they are uncomfortable with THEMSELVES. If they were open and honest with themselves, the above would instead translate to, "*I* would never do something so shameful, *I* wouldn't ever do that because I would feel so disrespected, etc"
I guess whatever amount a day is a sigh of "Ok, I guess I'm a little better off - I'm taking my clothes off for BIG money. That's the only way I can justify doing this." And to some people if we make any less, I guess that makes us lowly whores?
Hate to break it to ya, we're all shoving dildos up our holes. We're all whores. Just cause you make more than someone else it doesn't put you on some holy pedestal that separates you from the rest of us.
Let's all be happy and appreciative whores. Not snooty ones.
LilMissMuffett
01-08-2013, 04:43 PM
There has not been one week that I have exceeded this since I have started caming. It's not that it's not possible, because I HAVE had weeks where I've come close ($485-ish) but for one reason or another, it never has but here's why:
I started camming about a year ago this past December, putting in about 10-15hrs a week AFTER coming home from a day job. LOTS happened in the past year - I got a new computer, I more than quadroupled my sex toy and costume inventory, developed a personal website for my caming, twitter base and affiliate partnerships and filmed a ton of clips, lost my 'real' job about 1/2 way into all this, as well as a myrid of health and life conundrums...
I have to say that if I spent 1/2 the time I spent on all that other crap behind the lens live, I'd be in the $500+ club ... but honestly - I'd rather NOT have to work on cam at all (as much as I enjoy it) I would be more in love with supporting myself doing clips and running affiliate sites.
So during the past year, I've been building amunition, developing my cam persona, putting in the real 'grunt' work that I think is necessary to NOT work and still get paid (residual income) -- not that it'll ever be "DONE" but none of us are getting any younger and with the age I'm at (36) - relying on this as my main income .... I've learned that you really can't put all your eggs into one basket and need to diversify in this business to get ahead.
For me, the hardest lesson was when my main cam site closed it's doors last summer and became a white label for SM, my weekly payout became non-existant. Lesson learned.
We all started somewhere and will learn LOTS over the course of our careers or whatever you might call this... we can all learn from each other and realize that with this job, anything is possible if you want it bad enough. You are your own boss. You CAN control your destiny haha! (really though)
I can only hope that this year will start to show some fruits from all this labour cause not having a day job to fall back on will leave me somewhere between homeless and without internet -- a FAR cry from a $500/week paycheque - something I never got with a vanilla career anyhow ;)
:) Best of luck to you all in 2013- a great year to achive your personal goals. ♥
aleciaxxx
01-08-2013, 05:20 PM
I have never made more than 127.00 in one week but the fault is mine and mine alone. I did not put in the hours so I was not there to make the money. I bet if I got on cam more and stayed on longer I culd make 500 a week or more. if I don't make it I have only myself to blame.
Marina Starr
01-08-2013, 05:59 PM
But it's beautiful that you know it and own it!
I have never made more than 127.00 in one week but the fault is mine and mine alone. I did not put in the hours so I was not there to make the money. I bet if I got on cam more and stayed on longer I culd make 500 a week or more. if I don't make it I have only myself to blame.
Missymissdemeanour
01-08-2013, 06:03 PM
When I first started camming over 4 years ago I was banking over $1000 a week on just one site, however, after my first year my earnings have steadily dropped to around $500, sometimes a bit more sometimes less and this is working 2 sometmes 3 sites at once and having a c4s store! I know it's down to me though. Of course I want to earn more and this year I'm determined to do it. Yes I cam for the money but if I didn't enjoy it I know I wouldn't still be here. Getting back to the OP, yeah sometimes I feel like I'm working my ass of for diddley, but then if I'm really honest this is work??? ;)
See it's not just the money, the fun, the orgasms even lol to me it's being my own boss! I decide if I can take time off, I decide if I wanna take a lunch break, I decide what time I want to start/finish work, hell I even decide if I want to fuck my ass for 4.99 per min! It's all about being in control.
Keep doing what you're doing ladies, you are ALL awesome
And now I've discovered I'm a control freak }:D
Mistress Anika
01-08-2013, 06:46 PM
Im in the under $500 club, I work extremely limited, inconstant hours. I'd love to earn more but do to my current living situation, its just not an option. Now could I make more, sure. Am I happy with what i'm making and my hourly rate, damn skippy.
@the girls talking crap for low earners
I only have one thing to say, If you are working 40/hrs per week and making less than $500/wk then there is something very wrong. If you work a few hours here and there, enough to pay bills or for spending money and earn less than $500 than more power too you.
AliceFun
01-08-2013, 08:03 PM
Just wanted to add we are mostly amateur cam girls, not porn actresses, we have different faces, bodies, shapes, color, nationality, we are a mix of different women working different ways, hrs, we are in different situations, living conditions and i could go on and on, i repeat myself, WE ARE AMATEURS.
We do not need to meet any standards. Regarding $$$ we make what we can, want and are able to. Peace!
justanothercamgirl
01-08-2013, 11:15 PM
Thanks for sharing! Well if you didn't see, then theres no need for conservation. Your experience is just simply YOURS. I am not going to argue back and forth with you like the last thread that was closed. We are DEFINITELY breathing different air.
See that is the thing.
You see it as arguing. I see it as us both respectfully expressing a difference of opinion.
Well, at least I try my best to be respectful to you and your opinion. :-\
Setting aside the part-time chicas who are busy pursuing other goals, like many have mentioned in this thread, not every full-time cam chica starts out banking. Many end up doing amazingly well though. The history of this forum is a testament to that.
This is important. I must remember this.
To the OP, I only surpassed this a few months ago, inching along. Now that I've raised my rates, even more. I don't think I've worked any more or less, things have just continue to snowball. I went from having a little spending cash to beating my SO's income (after mooching for years from them).... that was a glorious day :)
loveshooks
01-09-2013, 12:03 AM
This is important. I must remember this.
To the OP, I only surpassed this a few months ago, inching along. Now that I've raised my rates, even more. I don't think I've worked any more or less, things have just continue to snowball. I went from having a little spending cash to beating my SO's income (after mooching for years from them).... that was a glorious day :)
^^^that's fucking awesome :goodvibes
I gotta admit, this topic really does hit home for me. While I never was in the income bracket at topic of this thread, my income now makes my first year's total look like peanuts. If someone told me in year one or two what I'd be making today I'd have been pretty dubious. To every newish (full-time) cam chica reading this thread, the $$$$ you're making now is not a reflection of what you can expect in the future, so long as you put in the hours and keep pushing and building on each accomplishment/new income level as it comes. I love that you're experiencing the same thing, BluJ.
That's the main reason I think threads like this one need to be allowed to run their course without judgement working things up to a fever pitch, and it's why I get cranky watching helpful threads blow up in a mess of non-constructive criticism and rudeness. Everyone starts somewhere, and if newer chicas can't talk about where they are now, important voices and experiences get silenced. Hell, by the time I found sw I'd already found my footing in camming, but by the standards of some I shoulda given up before I started because I wasn't clearing $50 per hour as a newbie. It's...ridiculous. No one here gets to decide who's earnings and life choices or circumstances are acceptable. Last time I checked we ALL had a place here, not just seasoned successful chicas and those who put full-time hours into their cam work.
This also ties into the OP, I think. I don't look at it like I worked harder for my $$$$ at the intro level, rather, it was camming itself that was harder for me when I started. My weekly income was/isn't a factor in that. Now I work the same hours for way more $$$$, but those hours are far less stressful and way more...effortless because I've accumulated years of experience (and amazing regs). The amount of $$$ I've earned at any given point has very little to do with the stress of camming (or lack thereof), for me at least.
There's some seriously wicked posts in this thead. Happy camming y'all :)
Incantatious
01-09-2013, 12:34 AM
This is important. I must remember this.
Definitely do remember it because it really is a gigantic factor to take into account for every model.
Not every model you see gracing the top rows started out bringing in $500+ every week by any means!
Some may have actually started making more than that per week, (new model tags and all, plus "new job enthusiasm"), and then drifted to the back-pages for whatever reason, possibly even dropping out of camming altogether. Some will start out making pennies, only to - through hard work - become #1.
I know this because it has been true for myself. Kind of both have been true for me actually!
The way things have worked out for me have been different depending on which site and means of working..
I did incredibly well on MFC at first - and then didn't do incredibly well. I sucked so bad at Chaturbate that I've barely made anything worth pay-out, despite being on for pretty long hours. I still don't got the MGF hustle. But not only have I been a top row girl on SM, but I have reached #1 ranking (not counting the times my placement has automatically put me there via TV Broadcasts), when I've been able to work consistently and been able to use the encoder without it fucking up.
Many, many variables are key to doing well at this gig, but they aren't things all of us are just incidentally blessed with straight off the bat. Success takes time, nurturing, investing...
We all have personal lives that can interfere greatly with our work, and we don't need to share solemn excuses with our heads lowered about why our earnings aren't has hefty as the next girls, or the next girls, or the next girls.. whether that's for porn, for camming, for clips, for whatever. Even the high earners on here have girls above them, earning more, and working less than them for more pay.
And the funny thing is, it seems that whenever a performer who does CRAZY-good on any given site comes and graces SW with her presence, they've never got anything but good to say... They know they're the shit, (or, I assume they must do!) but they don't put anyone down for not doing as well or imply that we're selling ourselves short and we need to pull our socks up. I truly think there's something in that.
The 'shooks is right - the history of this forum is a testament to that, because the whole point of this forum is to support each other to make more and more $$$$... I don't think the creators of CC wanted this to be a place where we just come to be all like "Oh you make THAT? For PORN? ...ermehgerd" because that's an empty trend that doesn't benefit a single soul. It is just a gasp and a pointed finger at a perceived inadequacy on part of the poster.
Another trend we're seeing though, alongside the above, is that the majority of us are getting a shit-ton more comfortable talking to each other about our earnings. Why is that so wonderful? Because we've discovered that the majority of us are, or have been in very similar positions, which gives us a lot of opportunity to really refine our advice due to so many similar experiences. - So what does that mean? More help, more support, more motivation, more tips, more encouragement, more $$$$! ;D
Blovely
01-09-2013, 12:36 AM
I don't understand what was supposed to be the purpose of that post anyway. To let us know the $500 a week will indeed pay our bills and give us $ left over? Which .. what's so wrong with that?
Or was it supposed to shame us and make us wanna quit the adult industry? Or shame us and make us wanna do better? In which case people like me who are building themselves up .. what exactly do you want us to do to change things? What exactly can we do to immediately start making $1k a day instead of a measly $100 or so.
Yes ma'am I'll put $100 on the bold question. Shit I'll even wait for the answer:
http://media.tumblr.com/1651ac6b5cb5f06649fbbbcfbb9fc6a9/tumblr_inline_mfcf1124YA1ro2d43.gif
justanothercamgirl
01-09-2013, 07:28 AM
The 'shooks is right - the history of this forum is a testament to that, because the whole point of this forum is to support each other to make more and more $$$$... I don't think the creators of CC wanted this to be a place where we just come to be all like "Oh you make THAT? For PORN?
I don't think the creators of CC wanted this to be place where someone is jumped on and attacked just because they have an opinion that may not be popular with the majority either.
I personally think that Fridays post took nothing away from the overall positive nature of this thread -- but I do think that her being outright attacked for expressing that opinion, does.
Marina Starr
01-09-2013, 07:37 AM
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x311/melaniamai/ur9u8_zpsb22f2305.gif
See that is the thing.
You see it as arguing. I see it as us both respectfully expressing a difference of opinion.
Well, at least I try my best to be respectful to you and your opinion. :-\
justanothercamgirl
01-09-2013, 07:40 AM
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x311/melaniamai/ur9u8_zpsb22f2305.gif
Ah, there is the 'mean girls clique' feeling you were talking about. I just figured it out.
Marina Starr
01-09-2013, 07:41 AM
LOL! I've gotten worst responses by better!
Ah, there is the 'mean girls clique' feeling you were talking about. I just figured it out.
GlitteryGoddess
01-09-2013, 07:43 AM
Bloody hell. Will you both please kiss and make up? (I think there are LOTS that would pay for that, as an aside perv thing, ahem)
Quit sniping, and get back on topic, please? Ye gods...
justanothercamgirl
01-09-2013, 07:44 AM
LOL! I've gotten worst responses by better!
And I have never personally insulted you. In fact, you keep bullying me and I wish you would stop.
TheBrownFox
01-09-2013, 08:13 AM
I love how well-spoken Incantatious is, the positivity of her posts, and her ability to turn a sinking thread around. :) Let's not mess things up by going back and forth nitpicking about 2 sentences from her post. This is a good thread.
I wish you all a very Happy Hump Day!
Marina Starr
01-09-2013, 08:13 AM
I think it's the other way around! I have never singled you out. In fact, you were the one quoting me so I'm not gonna just sit and not respond. I don't get why my GIF response with Angelina sipping on her tea disagreeing with you would come across as bullying. You are mistaking correcting for bullying. I don't have any beef with you.
And I have never personally insulted you. In fact, you keep bullying me and I wish you would stop.
justanothercamgirl
01-09-2013, 08:52 AM
I think it's the other way around! I have never singled you out. In fact, you were the one quoting me so I'm not gonna just sit and not respond. I don't get why my GIF response with Angelina sipping on her tea disagreeing with you would come across as bullying. You are mistaking correcting for bullying. I don't have any beef with you.
You can disagree with me without personally insulting me.
LOL! I've gotten worst responses by better!
BustyAmeera
01-09-2013, 09:08 AM
You know, you can just choose to never speak to each other. It makes life a lot easier. You will be more calm and have a lot of peace of mind. Problem solved :)
thatgirl2011
01-09-2013, 09:53 AM
The ignore button works wonders....
Marina Starr
01-09-2013, 10:04 AM
DONE!
Incantatious
01-09-2013, 10:56 AM
I don't think the creators of CC wanted this to be place where someone is jumped on and attacked just because they have an opinion that may not be popular with the majority either.
I personally think that Fridays post took nothing away from the overall positive nature of this thread -- but I do think that her being outright attacked for expressing that opinion, does.
I trust that the mods would see fit that if anyone was being outright attacked, that the attacker would be dealt with. -
An elitist, 'mob-mentality' attitude, whereby one individual is being constantly singled out for no good reason, other than maintaining an opinion that simply differs from the rest of the pack, is quite bullying and would no doubt warrant some moderation. I agree with you on that note entirely.
On the same note, an elitist attitude, whereby one individual is constantly singling out others, or singling out a particular group, for no good reason other than enforcing a negative, shaming mentality, is quite bullying and would no doubt warrant some moderation.
I can say that I've understood the reactions to Fridays posts as being simply what many people would naturally feel after having something they aim to feel proud of brought down, thrown in a lowly light or judged to be unsatisfactory. And that negative attitude succeeds in derailing the otherwise most positive threads here, because suddenly individuals feel prompted to defend themselves.
If her posts in this thread were the only time she had held a magnifying glass out over other performers earnings, I'd likely have just completely let it go, not thinking much of it. But in the context of how she now has quite a track-record of looking down on what others make, her post in this thread most definitely brings with it a very familiar sour taste... I did think it was gone, but when I saw her name in this post I do admit to having held my breath a little. ;]
I know for sure I'd never turn to Fridays - or anyone, for that matter - and bluntly demand they earn more, or later harness a certain attitude to imply that someone else's earnings are something to be ashamed of. That, in my opinion, is rude. I don't have anything against anyone, and I don't want to attack anyone. I've been really enjoying the honesty and relaxed atmosphere that has been around here lately. - I just really hope it continues is all. :)
Incantatious
01-09-2013, 11:12 AM
I love how well-spoken Incantatious is, the positivity of her posts, and her ability to turn a sinking thread around. :) Let's not mess things up by going back and forth nitpicking about 2 sentences from her post. This is a good thread.
I wish you all a very Happy Hump Day!
My goodness thank you so much! <3
Aurora14
01-09-2013, 11:40 AM
Bare with me ladies. I just had my baby so I'm trying to translate whats in my head with only a few hours of sleep and drugs running through my system.
I do want to point something out to the poster who compared it to a minimum wage job. I applaud the general gist of your post - but you shouldn't compare your gross earnings from camming with your after-tax earnings from a vanilla job. After all, we still have to pay tax!!! And depending on your minimum wage, you may not be better off in terms of money - but you will definitely be better off in terms of time and flexibility!
Last comment....I also love this thread because I know that sometimes it can feel as though people expect you to be earning vast amounts of money - or to WANT to earn vast sums. It is nice to remember that money isn't always the object - and even when you do want to earn a lot, this industry can really warp your perspective. $20 an hour may be a really slow day for a camgirl...but for most people, that is a decent wage! $40 an hour as a "meh" day - for most people, that would be incredible! Aiming to make $2-500 a DAY is something that a lot of camgirls do...but that is a helluva lot to make in a day!!! Perspective helps....
I did realise that I forgot to deduct our taxes from the cam earnings the other day lol. But you caught the general idea of what I was aiming for. For some people, even after cam taxes are deducted, the control, flexibility and ability to be one that decides to only work 5 or 10 hours a week is what I was aiming at. For whatever reason, we have chosen this as a comfy amount for us to earn. If we weren't happy with it we would either find a way to put in more hours or we would quit, plain and simple.
I would LOVE to make 500 a day, but I don't have the patience or time for it. PS, Marina, your gifs just make me smile!
RaineyLane
01-09-2013, 12:07 PM
Ok, can we get back to the topic since some of us would really like to graduate from the 500 club? Thanks :)
I have been reading many threads in here to learn how to make more with camming. Do any of the high earners/seasoned models have favorite threads to post? You know, older ones that we might not have found in our searches. I might also add that sometimes a new model doesn't know what to search for in this forum (besides the obvious stickies and 'main' threads for various sites/topics). There's so much here sometimes it's difficult to know where to start.
For me the stalling thread has been really useful lately.
http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?150777-Ways-To-STALL-and-Make-More-Money
Aurora14
01-09-2013, 12:55 PM
Boy, finally got through the entire thread. Iit got scary there for a minute....
sigh
what would be awesome is if more chicas who are starting out now or still finding their footing report back as the months roll on (as chicas have done in the past) to update on their progress. Setting aside the part-time chicas who are busy pursuing other goals, like many have mentioned in this thread, not every full-time cam chica starts out banking. Many end up doing amazingly well though. The history of this forum is a testament to that.
I would like to join this part of the thread! Sounds like fun!
I was working a vanilla job (that I have just quit) and in February I will hopefully be back to dancing 2 times a week. So far I have only been camming for about a month. I have an average of 6 hours a week online (working at least). I think I've done about $250-300 every 2 weeks so far. That money may not be the same once I get back to work though seeing as my situation has changed. I may decide to put more hours into it, but I haven't gotten that far yet. No matter what, this side of my work life will be the last part I focus on, so the money will never be insanely great. But it will feed my family :)
Marina Starr
01-09-2013, 01:23 PM
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x311/melaniamai/tumblr_mcbd39S3gy1qcfdmxo1_500_zpsf860dffc.gif
Bare with me ladies. I just had my baby so I'm trying to translate whats in my head with only a few hours of sleep and drugs running through my system.
I did realise that I forgot to deduct our taxes from the cam earnings the other day lol. But you caught the general idea of what I was aiming for. For some people, even after cam taxes are deducted, the control, flexibility and ability to be one that decides to only work 5 or 10 hours a week is what I was aiming at. For whatever reason, we have chosen this as a comfy amount for us to earn. If we weren't happy with it we would either find a way to put in more hours or we would quit, plain and simple.
I would LOVE to make 500 a day, but I don't have the patience or time for it. PS, Marina, your gifs just make me smile!
Fridays
01-09-2013, 03:22 PM
I feel really hurt that things I say are misjudged immediately as being negative, hurtful and horrible.
not one of you tried to ask " well, what do u mean... Id like to understand better, lets talk about this".
but most of u immediately proceeded to put the "You;re WRONG!" stamp all over me because I said " for porn" and that stroke a nerve.
is this a ' how to bake cakes' forum?
Im sorry. Im just realizing it now so Ill stop posting all together.
3 pages or whatever of posts judging 1 single post..
1 single person.
without no additional information from that person AND on that topic.
Well done!
God forbid some people, would be a real judges , in the real world.
they'd throw innocent people in jail, left and right.
And remember this: what you see as negative might very well be seen as positive by someone else.
just because you think its negative, does NOT mean that it is.
You thinking IT IS! makes you stuck in a reality that does not exist outside of your own perception.
last thing: if this forum would have been for anything else but for porn/stripping, I'd still say the same things.
Id still think anyone should strive to do better than $500/week...
Because if I can, YOU can too.
and to ME thats being positive... to others thats being negative...
I can not comprehend it but it is what it is...
I wish everyone lots of $$ and happiness, at no point in time have I wished anything but that....
And I could go on and on, but I think thats enough......
Let me guess, the thread " run its course" and needs to be locked now?
housewench
01-09-2013, 03:39 PM
this is a Gr9 thread
ManyRoses
01-09-2013, 03:51 PM
I'm really sorry you feel that way, Fridays.
But I have to point out that at least ONE person said "what do you mean by that" - because Billabong said "I don't understand what the point was? Why did you post that?". And I think that most of us WERE talking about it, and not just saying "you are wrong, end of story."
And although many people disagreed with you - a LOT of people defended you as well - myself and Misbeth both said that we assumed that you meant it as motivational, and were trying to tell girls that we CAN make more, and it is possible. So not everyone was attacking you - at least two of us directly stated that we did NOT think that you were trying to be negative or rude.
On top of that - almost EVERYONE put in something about how much we respect you as a camgirl, how you are a great earner, a great poster, contribute a lot, are absolutely gorgeous......
Although not everyone was as absolutely tea-sippingly polite as they could possibly be, it doesn't mean that as a whole, there was (I think) a fairly measured and respectful response to your post.
You say that you think people should ask for explanation, but when you initially saw that people were taking your post in a way that you didn't intend it - why didn't you try to explain what you meant a little further? Instead of just saying "I can't post anything anymore"? (Honest question - not intended to be antagonistic)
Your posts are usually fantastic - but I do think that a lot of the time, you make them very short, and use cut off phrases or half-sentences that could be interpreted in a LOT of different ways, when it would just take an extra couple minutes to write a little more explaining what you mean, exactly. Clearly, this one came off in a very different way than how you intended it - and also came across basically the same way to everyone.
You JUST mentioned that what may seem negative to one may seem positive to another, but in this thread particularly, you seem unable to apply that to the idea that what is worth it to one person may NOT be to another - that to many, free time is worth more than money, or that making as much money as possible ISN'T the goal.
I also don't think that ALL the posts in response were judging you - I think that several of them were discussing the point that you brought up - and that is what a forum is for.