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Browneyes
05-10-2015, 07:39 AM
On scale from 1 to 10, how much would u recommend Streamate?

SarahTime
05-10-2015, 08:23 PM
On scale from 1 to 10, how much would u recommend Streamate?

Right now? 0.

shysara79
05-10-2015, 08:32 PM
Ditto Sarah!

Glamourmilf
05-11-2015, 10:46 AM
41622Is there a '-0' option?
I started this thread over 2 years ago...It's painful to see it still up..Wish it would be taken down.:(

Marina Starr
05-11-2015, 11:21 AM
WHY?! This thread has/still serves its purpose. Leave it up ;D

41622Is there a '-0' option?
I started this thread over 2 years ago...It's painful to see it still up..Wish it would be taken down.:(

euro_princess
05-11-2015, 04:23 PM
On scale from 1 to 10, how much would u recommend Streamate?

Depends. As a newbie is hard to start now. But I feel like is not all the time SM fault. The industry went a little bit down. You know, too many websites, too many models, too many studios. Not to mention too much free shit! That's a problem too.
It's worth a try. I see all the time new girls having high positions on the page. So you never know, that might be you in 2 months.

shysara79
05-11-2015, 05:32 PM
Unfortunately placement does not always mean excellent money! Even with top placement (meaning top three or four rows) you can still have days with no traffic and no traffic usually constitutes no money unless you have a lot of regs already established.

euro_princess
05-11-2015, 07:19 PM
Unfortunately placement does not always mean excellent money! Even with top placement (meaning top three or four rows) you can still have days with no traffic and no traffic usually constitutes no money unless you have a lot of regs already established.

Still, is better to have a top position. From there is just up to you. At least you have the exposure. And usually, if you can make it so fast in the first rows, means you're doing pretty good.

Thymian
05-11-2015, 09:07 PM
Depends. As a newbie is hard to start now. But I feel like is not all the time SM fault. The industry went a little bit down. You know, too many websites, too many models, too many studios. Not to mention too much free shit! That's a problem too.


The same things have been said on this forum year after year after year. It's a great time to start camming if you think it is. It's a hard time to start camming if you think it is.

DeepThoughts
05-11-2015, 09:25 PM
I recently recommend streamate to two girls (they are friends and came to me for help). I helped both set up their computers with the encoders and got their high speed internet set up, did some sexy pictures for them, etc. They both started the same day and a few days later both purchased new logitech webcams to go HD. They have been at it just over a week. One girl has put in over 15 hours and she has made very little. The other girl is under 10 hours and is bringing in the dough every time she logs on. Both are enjoying it and are asking me for tips and help all the time but the girl who see's the dollars coming in is loving every min she is on where the girl making little is very discouraged. Is it a self serving cycle?

This is honestly my experience with these two ladies the last week and a half. Take what you will from it.

Halo88
05-12-2015, 01:30 AM
On scale from 1 to 10, how much would u recommend Streamate?

I give them a 20.

Kimber Knight
05-12-2015, 09:38 AM
I am also new to camming and new to SM (my only site for now)...

And, I was only able to be on 37 mins yesterday :-\ (long story....). But, I made $18 in that short time. <--- that was only my 2nd time camming.

On my VERY FIRST day - I made about $34 (can't recall... would have to go login to SM to double-check). And that was in about 2 hours.

So... just simple math, it appears I have been *averaging* $17/hour on my 1st night, and could have made about $25/hour on my 2nd day camming (had I not logged off after just 37 mins).

Averaging BOTH sessions together -- that's around $22/hr.

In a 4 hour log-in session -- the potential is there to clear $80 per day (possibly MORE). I haven't been able to do a 4-hour session, yet. But I am going to try today!!!

My personal goal for now is $75/day (5 days) = $1500 per month. Just to supplement my income.

If the need arises... I can increase my hours and maybe tweak my rates. ::)

Hope this helps!!! :)

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
05-12-2015, 02:36 PM
I recently recommend streamate to two girls (they are friends and came to me for help). I helped both set up their computers with the encoders and got their high speed internet set up, did some sexy pictures for them, etc. They both started the same day and a few days later both purchased new logitech webcams to go HD. They have been at it just over a week. One girl has put in over 15 hours and she has made very little. The other girl is under 10 hours and is bringing in the dough every time she logs on. Both are enjoying it and are asking me for tips and help all the time but the girl who see's the dollars coming in is loving every min she is on where the girl making little is very discouraged. Is it a self serving cycle?

This is honestly my experience with these two ladies the last week and a half. Take what you will from it.

I think I know what point you are trying to making here. But you said that they are BOTH enjoying it. They're having a good time, right? Asking you questions and so forth, but still one is doing better than the other. I don't think SM is completely in the shitter, however there is waaay more involved when it comes to making the money YOU want to make on that site. Your friends what are their rates? What do they look like? It's so much that goes into it and I don't think people are keeping it 100 when they talk about making money in camming. Like is the one putting in 15 plus hours staying logged in for long periods of time without money vs the other one who makes quick money and signs off? Deepthought I'm not picking on you but it's more than a mindset going on when it comes to success on any camsite. There is math involved. An algorithm that's forever changing.

Also I just wanted to add that anyone who wants to know how the site is they should just read the thread. Many people have made points and revelations to how things really work. The traffic has gone way down. Less and less are making the money they want on SM and it's not because they have self fulfilling prophecy. Stuff is just messed up.

hyori
05-12-2015, 02:58 PM
The traffic is really weird on SM now. It used to be much more steady but now the traffic comes in bursts. I'm not really sure what is causing this phenomena.

Also, from what I'm hearing some of you who splitcam are having issues...it might be that SM is detecting splitcamming software and making it difficult for those who split. Is this true?

Also, no matter how many times I kill the TV goal, it never gets any higher for me. In the past when I did TV gold shows, I would get higher offers if I exceeded goal a couple of times. I guess that is not the case anymore.

Sonikku
05-12-2015, 06:05 PM
I will say SM has been rough for me coming back to camming as a "new girl" after having a baby.
I didn't redirect any of my followers, I just started from scratch.

It's been heck! I wish I never did that, but I had too many personal people know me under my old alias, so I wanted a change.

I get $10 tips for flashes, but rarely... rarely get shows.
That 30% cut ain't doing anything for me when I only get a couple flashes every hour.


I'm trying to remain optimistic, considering I would only cam when I felt like it pre-pregnancy and still average at $25-50 an hour on SLOW DAYS... slow days!
Something's definitely different, not sure what to pinpoint it on because some new girls have success, where I'd have better luck flipping burgers at this rate.

Refuse to do that.
Want to cam.

I'm taking my focus off monetary goals and focusing on rebuilding my fanbase again and seeing how that works tomorrow.

IvyAdams
05-12-2015, 07:23 PM
Also, no matter how many times I kill the TV goal, it never gets any higher for me. In the past when I did TV gold shows, I would get higher offers if I exceeded goal a couple of times. I guess that is not the case anymore.

Ugh, yes fucking kill me.

SimoneGray
05-12-2015, 07:59 PM
as much as I wanna do TV shows, I don't wanna get stuck in the $30 show pit

DeepThoughts
05-13-2015, 12:12 AM
I think I know what point you are trying to making here. But you said that they are BOTH enjoying it. They're having a good time, right? Asking you questions and so forth, but still one is doing better than the other. I don't think SM is completely in the shitter, however there is waaay more involved when it comes to making the money YOU want to make on that site. Your friends what are their rates? What do they look like? It's so much that goes into it and I don't think people are keeping it 100 when they talk about making money in camming. Like is the one putting in 15 plus hours staying logged in for long periods of time without money vs the other one who makes quick money and signs off? Deepthought I'm not picking on you but it's more than a mindset going on when it comes to success on any camsite. There is math involved. An algorithm that's forever changing.

Also I just wanted to add that anyone who wants to know how the site is they should just read the thread. Many people have made points and revelations to how things really work. The traffic has gone way down. Less and less are making the money they want on SM and it's not because they have self fulfilling prophecy. Stuff is just messed up.

I think I know what point you are trying to making here. But you said that they are BOTH enjoying it. They're having a good time, right? Asking you questions and so forth, but still one is doing better than the other. I don't think SM is completely in the shitter, however there is waaay more involved when it comes to making the money YOU want to make on that site. Your friends what are their rates? What do they look like? It's so much that goes into it and I don't think people are keeping it 100 when they talk about making money in camming. Like is the one putting in 15 plus hours staying logged in for long periods of time without money vs the other one who makes quick money and signs off? Deepthought I'm not picking on you but it's more than a mindset going on when it comes to success on any camsite. There is math involved. An algorithm that's forever changing.

Also I just wanted to add that anyone who wants to know how the site is they should just read the thread. Many people have made points and revelations to how things really work. The traffic has gone way down. Less and less are making the money they want on SM and it's not because they have self fulfilling prophecy. Stuff is just messed up.

I get that there is probably an algorithm going on at streamate but there is still something to be said about mindset. So more on these two girls, one is from Venezuela and one is from Argentina they both now live in Spain and neither speaks English. the Venezuela girl is your typical latino body (hourglass figure) tight, cute and nice face, her prices are set at the starting rates still, 1.99 prvt. and 2.99 excl. I can also tell you that she is very worried about her stretch marks, the odd pimple or blemish, the way her boobs look etc. She pretty much went through it all with me worried that she has nothing to offer on cam cause she assumes guys only want 20 year olds who are perfect. I try to let her know that guys want all types of girls and tried to boost her confidence but you know low self confidence! To fix that its gotta come from within her first!
Argentina girl is 100% BBW, lots of curve appeal and everything is big but well proportioned to the other parts of her,, big booty, big boobs, big tummy all the good stuff. By face she is a bit plain she could use some make up! On the surface this girl appeared to have low self confidence but when I got her ready for pictures she just shone! She loved every minute of it and embraced all her curves. When she signed on she immediately put her rates to 3.99 prvt and 4.99 excl. she didnt even ask me about it! Girl friend just got on and owned that shit!
So who is doing the best? The Argentina girl, as you might expect. And not because she has higher rates, I track everything and even by head count she has many more guys taking her prvt then the Venezuela girl. When I have visited their rooms the Argentina girl is fun, upbeat and tries to speak English, its really poor and mostly makes no sense but she still tries and lets face it, guys love a girl to pays attention to them! The Venezuela girl sits and doesnt say much, except to ask for tips. Sometimes her husband sits beside her half asleep because she is also offering shows with him. No big takers so far and Im trying to help her to understand that she needs to be more alive on cam.

I have been shocked to see the results cause I admit I thought it would be the other way around but Im proud of them both and to be fair to the point your making here PGD the money they are making is nothing compared to what most of us are making (or expect to make) so you could still use this example to say that in the big picture streamate sucks unless you require very little to live. However I firmly believe that if you log on expecting low traffic and few paying customers that is what your going to get and if you log on expecting to shine and do amazing that is what your going to get and I think that these girls show that beautifully because right out of the gate neither speaks English and to some of us that should mean they cant even make a dime!

Again take it how you will and for the record I would never feel picked on by your brilliant mind!

euro_princess
05-13-2015, 05:00 AM
Ugh, yes fucking kill me.

Me too! I once had a fight with a producer on that issue and he told me that's my average. Bullshit, man! I'm getting that goal for over 4 months. And meanwhile my earnings went up. Before they used to add 10, 15 once in a while.
Is fucked up! No matter how many times you will smash the goal, they will still not care and drop it when you get a $10 compensation.

audritwo
05-13-2015, 05:18 AM
I requested they put our gold show average in the my ranking tool. There is no reason why we can't see it. I had an issue last night. Had a producer show set at $80. I got it to at least $95. Next producer show I get, it's $75. I didn't do a gold show in between. The math doesn't seem right. I want to physically see this. How the hell does my average go down when I make more?

First I'm told the average is based off of all gold shows. Then I'm being told its only based on producer shows. And it keeps going. WHAT THE FUCK IS IT! lol

I really do believe they set it to whatever they want most of the time. Once I had a real nice producer give me a higher gold show because the time was set to 5 minute countdown.

I'm opting out. Because when my TV GS were $100. I could justify the $35 earned. With a ten minute countdown and 7 minute show. It would be around the same earned with a 17 minute premium. 17 x 5.99 = 101.83. But when it's $25 less. No thank you. I also raised my gold show min to $4. It should be the average by now, because sometimes I'll get it set to $4.

audritwo
05-13-2015, 05:29 AM
Right now, I'm not too happy with SM on lots of reasons. The constant custie disconnects, overall shit traffic, ect.


Le Sigh

IvyAdams
05-13-2015, 06:39 AM
I requested they put our gold show average in the my ranking tool. There is no reason why we can't see it. I had an issue last night. Had a producer show set at $80. I got it to at least $95. Next producer show I get, it's $75. I didn't do a gold show in between. The math doesn't seem right. I want to physically see this. How the hell does my average go down when I make more?

First I'm told the average is based off of all gold shows. Then I'm being told its only based on producer shows. And it keeps going. WHAT THE FUCK IS IT! lol

I really do believe they set it to whatever they want most of the time. Once I had a real nice producer give me a higher gold show because the time was set to 5 minute countdown.

I'm opting out. Because when my TV GS were $100. I could justify the $35 earned. With a ten minute countdown and 7 minute show. It would be around the same earned with a 17 minute premium. 17 x 5.99 = 101.83. But when it's $25 less. No thank you. I also raised my gold show min to $4. It should be the average by now, because sometimes I'll get it set to $4.

41641

YES. There is no reason why they don't have the averages listed anywhere.... well, I take that back. There is DEFINITELY a reason- and it's so that they can set it to whatever the hell they want. I am also highly considering opting out of the tv shows. They only offer me $75, and I go FAR Above $100, usually above $150 every. single. time. It's almost an insult when my exclusive is set at $10 a min, and they expect me to do their "tv" shows for 35% of $75 for 17 minutes of my time. Add on top of that fact that every time I have gotten suspended recently, it has been during one of the producer shows. Their rules aren't clear, and it feels like a popularity game with the producers. I don't like having to hope that the producers who like me are on to give me the better offers and more shows.

I also agree with Hyori who said earlier that it's like they ALWAYS offer it to you during your own countdown. Like they just assume that you aren't going to be able to hit the goal on your own. It's insulting to both me and my customers when they do this over and over again.

Glamourmilf
11-02-2015, 11:32 AM
2015...this is sooo:thinking::gnasher::laughing::razz::rotfl::rot fl:

thekhaleesi
11-02-2015, 11:41 AM
Never tried stream mate. How much do they take from you?

SoloDesire
11-02-2015, 12:17 PM
Never tried stream mate. How much do they take from you?

Aside from the 65%-70% they take, they will also take your soul.

Glamourmilf
11-02-2015, 12:17 PM
Never tried stream mate. How much do they take from you?

We get 35%. Or 30% if with a studio.
But that USED to be fine when they had actually paying traffic.

thekhaleesi
11-02-2015, 08:26 PM
Screw that. I make 90% and my site takes only 10%

CarlaCainXXX
12-10-2015, 09:36 AM
Screw that. I make 90% and my site takes only 10%

May I ask what site? Is this before or after any referral or affiliate activity ?

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
12-10-2015, 09:47 AM
May I ask what site? Is this before or after any referral or affiliate activity ?

Her signature says mygirlfund. https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?160544-Mygirlfund-quot-main-quot-thread&highlight=mygirlfund+thread

kortneykay
12-10-2015, 09:50 AM
Man, the irony of this title in 2015, lol. However, I still think it's one of the best free chat sites to be on, still. I remember I used to be terrified of it haha.

BambiCutie
12-10-2015, 09:53 AM
Am urging to see that "Camming rocks right now thread!" A girl can dream! :D

Glamourmilf
12-10-2015, 11:48 AM
Man, the irony of this title in 2015, lol. However, I still think it's one of the best free chat sites to be on, still. I remember I used to be terrified of it haha.

I agree.

SimoneGray
12-10-2015, 12:01 PM
The weirdest thing is that I miss SM. I'm on F4F but not making nearly the money for the hours I put in. BUT, the grass always seems greener on the other side I guess.

MistressX
12-10-2015, 01:11 PM
I have to disagree with this thread title right now lol

Glamourmilf
12-08-2016, 06:33 AM
Bumping, cause... Can I have my 'cookie' now Streamate? And the other ladies too? Just through the holidays?
I'll be your loyal and devoted servant.
Thank You.:-*
46802

KatM
12-08-2016, 06:48 AM
^^^ Me too, me too, i have a Love - Hate relationship with SM but there i feel the most valued as a cam girl if u know what i mean, when SM members, regulars & devoted fans pay me i am all happy!
Going on other sites and charging low/ entertaining guys for free cause of site culture is infuriating me LOL, i just cant stand that!
The 'kiss ass' pic is hilarious Glam hahaaa

Selenasecret
12-08-2016, 03:51 PM
Yeah. It was my first site. I still log in every time I can and occasionally look at the screen at it. Reminiscent of the last 10months as a cam girl. The first 3 months were amazing then it just died and never came back to life

TrifilinCamHo
12-08-2016, 06:01 PM
I think alot of the burnout that ladies are experiencing with Streamate is based on the fact that it's frequently SO variable at any given hour. Yesterday I made $138 the first hour, then made a whopping $15 the second hour and had to ban 2 of the nastiest trolls I've ever dealt with in a span of like 10 minutes. When it's good it's sooooo GOOD, when it's bad it is extremely draining and can be upsetting. So, I get why people hate it. But it's still my bread and butter site, the only one I work. A while ago someone compared working SM to running a marathon and I really agree agree with that sentiment. You WILL make money if you can just push through it.

ETA: Something that really helped me when I caught myself on the verge of burnout with SM this past fall was splitting my shifts. I do three solid hours in the morning right when I wake up & am caffeinated and full of energy, log off and take a shower, eat, clean my house, meet a friend for lunch, run errands, etc. Then get on later in the evening for minimum 2 hours. I work a full 8 hours on Saturdays since they are usually the best day $$-wise for me. There is tons of money to be made on Streamate still but you aren't gonna make it if you're unwilling to try and stick it out.

TrifilinCamHo
12-08-2016, 07:49 PM
Yes, but isn't that the case with basically any site...? You could replace the word "Streamate" with CB or MFC in that sentence and it would be just as valid. Traffic, trolls, and income will fluctuate on any big box/free chat site you're on, so I guess I have a hard time understanding why some ladies justify that as a reason to specifically bail on SM, or not give it a try at all.

I agree with you for the most part but I think it could be argued that the combination of glitchiness + lack of transparency about said glitches coupled with the general bullshit you have to put up with as a cam model just piles up and makes SM extra frustrating for some. I get where they're coming from.

And yeah SM is in no way a site that you should split cam. I would say to anyone who is struggling on there that if you're splitcamming or spending most of your time on cam with your phone in hand you should knock it off and give your room your full attention because that's pretty much what it requires.

Snowy0Star
12-08-2016, 09:38 PM
I would say to anyone who is struggling on there that if you're splitcamming or spending most of your time on cam with your phone in hand you should knock it off and give your room your full attention because that's pretty much what it requires.

A lot of ppl would disagree with you on that . I dont think the traffic (or rather lack of) justifies not splitcamming on SM . I think the times have changed and unless this is a side thing for you or ur a top model constantly on the upper middle half of the homepage getting a heavy constant stream of people in your room if you want rent and bills paid you have to be working more then one camsite at a time. Normally when I'm on theres stretches of anywhere of 2- 5 minutes where my room is completely empty thats 2-5 min i am hustling on another site talking to people making connections maybe even be in a pvt making money that I would have missed out on. I dont have a loyalty to SM and I dont think anyone should but thats me . I have a loyalty to making money .

LaylaLovely
12-09-2016, 01:15 AM
I made it to the top rows and was doing 50-70$/hour.... For months my room was packed...l then I dropped to row 3 ish...and it's now 35$/hr for months.... And my room is so dead.. What's the point of being on top???.. Oh yea cuz if a drop even just a few rows..it'll prolly be worse per hour..and then I contacted my studio and they say yes.. The avg on sm is 35$/hr??!!!!!

Thank god for Indy

But I'm bout to try mfc...(praying)

And guys have the audacity to say why u look bored... There's no one fuckn in here lol..n u been sitting here how long?

Glamourmilf
12-09-2016, 04:41 AM
I made it to the top rows and was doing 50-70$/hour.... For months my room was packed...l then I dropped to row 3 ish...and it's now 35$/hr for months.... And my room is so dead.. What's the point of being on top???.. Oh yea cuz if a drop even just a few rows..it'll prolly be worse per hour..and then I contacted my studio and they say yes.. The avg on sm is 35$/hr??!!!!!

Thank god for Indy

But I'm bout to try mfc...(praying)

And guys have the audacity to say why u look bored... There's no one fuckn in here lol..n u been sitting here how long?

Wow! The studio told You $35 per hour is normal?
Well, that explains a lot.

xxxGothBarbie
12-09-2016, 05:02 AM
I like SM but I don't get why in the holy fuck it's been sooo dead for me & i rarely get shows anymore ;/ Yes i have been taking days off sometimes a week or 2 off at a time so that's prob to blame but how many hrs do you guys actually put in there per shift? I def split with 2 other sites for now bc I've encountered freeloaders or timewasters lately. I usually pay alot of attention to my room on SM also, greeting everyone that comes in. what gives?

SoloDesire
12-09-2016, 08:10 AM
I like SM but I don't get why in the holy fuck it's been sooo dead for me & i rarely get shows anymore ;/ Yes i have been taking days off sometimes a week or 2 off at a time so that's prob to blame but how many hrs do you guys actually put in there per shift? I def split with 2 other sites for now bc I've encountered freeloaders or timewasters lately. I usually pay alot of attention to my room on SM also, greeting everyone that comes in. what gives?

I have to do a lot of hours to make a decent paycheck on Streamate. I do 7-8 hours a day 6-7 days a week. I don't bother greeting anyone unless it's a good reg. I pretty much ignore my room (while browsing the web) until someone speaks to me...it gets way too stressful to pay attention to "logged on, logged off" constantly when no one is staying or speaking so I just wait. Sometimes I'll go an hour or more with no shows, but all it takes is a nice long show to make up for that slow hour (because my rates are relatively high). I also take a lot of breaks whenever I need them. Do whatever you need to stay stress free when you're working...it's the only way I can stay on, log hours, and make money.

emma383
12-09-2016, 08:19 AM
Glamourmilf Im so glad this was originally first posted back in 2013-Because there is no way SM is fun any more. :( Bump..

Glamourmilf
12-09-2016, 08:26 AM
Glamourmilf Im so glad this was originally first posted back in 2013-Because there is no way SM is fun any more. :( Bump..

Sad, but true. And 2013 doesn't even compare to how it was for me in 2010-2011 :'(
Oh well. things in life never stay the same. The only thing that stays the same is change.

emma383
12-09-2016, 08:35 AM
Sad, but true. And 2013 doesn't even compare to how it was for me in 2010-2011 :'(
Oh well. things in life never stay the same. The only thing that stays the same is change.

Change....that is so true. I always felt when they stopped their interest/investing in promotions, it would sink slowly. Marketing is everything.

KatM
12-09-2016, 08:44 AM
I like SM but I don't get why in the holy fuck it's been sooo dead for me & i rarely get shows anymore ;/ Yes i have been taking days off sometimes a week or 2 off at a time so that's prob to blame but how many hrs do you guys actually put in there per shift? I def split with 2 other sites for now bc I've encountered freeloaders or timewasters lately. I usually pay alot of attention to my room on SM also, greeting everyone that comes in. what gives?

If it's dead or too slow i log off after 2 hrs, if it's a good shift i stay on max 4-5 hrs, i dont have the patience & will to stay longer hrs on cam because SM it's freechat only & at a point i start to look pissed, irritated & that wont help me sell, i also dont like to take my face off cam cause i dont like to show myself as a 'headless doll' LOL but a person with soul and the eyes/smile are the mirror of the soul, on cam i dont sell my body only but the whole me, this is my personal preference of course, others might do things differently.

When there was no freechat back in the days i could do more hrs on cam cause i had the option to relax between shows but now in freechat i need to hustle and be alert all the time & it's getting me tired after a while.

LaylaLovely
12-09-2016, 09:06 AM
Wow! The studio told You $35 per hour is normal?
Well, that explains a lot.

Yes and that's bm daily pay studio...so I believe them lol

I also notice a huge amount of top girls from sm are now....Indy..clips...phone..chaturbate or mfc!

Sometimes they will come back for contests cuz they have the regs to n shit ton of content to push out to get high on the contest

Which is probably why I'm in the top rows ..cuz a lot are gone now

Glamourmilf
12-09-2016, 09:44 AM
i also dont like to take my face off cam cause i dont like to show myself as a 'headless doll' LOL
Sometimes headless dolls are fun to play with.
Just sayin'.:D