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Fridays
01-17-2013, 10:01 AM
did this teacher have the BEST lawyer on earth? I have no idea, but I doubt it..

MissMafia
01-17-2013, 11:21 AM
Lady better be getting some Gloria Alred in her life... that woman works for money and women's rights... LOL

StephanieXS
01-17-2013, 11:38 AM
^^ From the sounds of the article Christinarita posted Allred is more of a media hound and less of a lawyer... So let's hope she makes a better choice

GlamourRouge
01-17-2013, 11:49 AM
The Abrahamic religions refer to the three religions that started with Abraham and branched off: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. IMO they are the primary cause of all this sexual repression, and responsible for the subjugation of women for the past two thousand years. I don't understand how any self-respecting woman can follow a religion that blatantly tells her she is lesser than a man, she cannot exist on her own but was MADE specifically FOR the man, must submit to her husband and refer to him in all things, must not speak in church, etc. Eve was the first transgressor. She ate the apple and that act alone solidifies women's roles as lesser beings. It's so easy to oppress half the population when GOD HIMSELF deems them inferior and tells them their role in life is to be slaves to the other half of the population.

I know there are a lot of liberal denominations that don't take the Bible literally and gloss over the nasty parts of it to emphasize on Jesus and his positive message. That's fine, but I find it incredibly difficult to shut myself off from all of the bigotry and hatred within its pages, especially when I know the effect it's had on society for so many years.

I think that is also just an opinion. Because I know lots of muslim women who are super happy with their religion and have never felt repressed in their life. Tonssss of them. They are basically princesses and the husband, if he wants to marry her, must supply her with shelter, food, and clothing. Like that's one of his obligations, so she's safe, spoiled, and secure. Its really not as bad as the U.S. media makes it out to be.

That being said, the more conservative ones in Islam wear a hijab, niqab, or a burqa in order to cover "their beauty." This is NOT because they are repressed. Its because they believe in only saving their beauty for their husband. They only want to share that with him. I actually find it really romantic. But of course if they don't want to share their physical beauty with anyone else, they are also going to be extremely disturbed by women having sex with strange men for money and totally not allow their children around that because it goes against their religious beliefs.

They aren't going to change their belief system just because someone else doesn't like it. Remember, religion has a cultural connotation, and no one is going to change their culture unless they discovered on their own that its not best-suited for them. Changing your religion is essentially changing your culture. That means leaving your family, friends, and life behind. At the end of the day though, people will follow their own intuitions.

Melonie
01-17-2013, 12:07 PM
Speaking of which, what about the woman who was fired in Brooklyn recently for being too beautiful?




This is yet another incident involving the legal precedent recently set by the Indiana Supreme Court. And while I'm no attorney, the 'meat' of the situation seems to boil down to the following ...

even absent an adult industry background, simply being a 'hot' girl can now be considered a negative factor for may 'straight' jobs. Being 'hot' enough to draw attention ... either from business owners / management or from fellow employees, increases the potential for future problems in the workplace. And any future problems in the workplace can lead to potential lawsuits, to potential Dept of Labor claims of sexual harassment etc. as well as potential 'loss of productivity'. Thus the courts have ruled that it is NOT discriminatory for an employer to fail to hire a 'hot' female employee, or to fire a 'hot' female employee after already having been hired if any sort of potential future 'problem' potential is noticed.

In the NYC case, the girl's big boobs were claimed to be distracting fellow employees from their work. In the Indiana case, the girl's attractiveness was claimed to be attracting undue attention from one of the principals of the business. In both cases, the girls hadn't actually done anything wrong, nor had they failed to perform their job properly. But the employers were still within their 'rights' to fire the girls based on the reactions they ( unintentionally ) elicited from other workers.

ManyRoses
01-17-2013, 12:08 PM
Abrahamic religion...interesting. I had never heard that term before. But I was just reading bits of the old testament. I guess he had several wives and lived to be over 900 years, or so the story goes. Definite patriarch. Speaking of which, what about the woman who was fired in Brooklyn recently for being too beautiful?

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/sexy-new-york-woman-fired-busty-article-1.1082045

Side note - I LOVE the term "abrahamic religion" because it just rolls off the tongue a little easier than Christianity, Judaism and Islam. It also reminds people that they are all working from the same basic faith, and in recognition of the same God.

However, just for the record, they are not the only religions to have spent time subjugating women, or simply treating sex and women differently.

For the most part, EVERY religion has had different "rules" for the sexuality of women, and from an anthropological point of view, it is because of the ability to become pregnant. For a long time, it was a matter of societal practicality - more to do with the carrying on of family, inheritance, and the ownership of land to the family, than any basic "evilness" or "sinfulness" of women. Interestingly enough, some of the earliest stories in the old testament speak of a MATRIARCHAL society - the famous stories of Jacob and Joseph actually describe a strongly matriarchal society - Joseph identifies himself as the son of his MOTHER, and remains with his WIVES family when travelling.

Early Egyptian religion was incredibly male-centric, with the common woman having the same rights as a farm animal. Although, high-born women had amazing rights - they could even own land and property in their own name!! India, and Hindu India, has always done the same, despite being a theoretically very different faith (although some scholars have argued that Krishna is a derivative of the word Christ, or vice-versa) - women have been required to cover their heads, bathe clothed, and remain under the protection of a man. Women were bought and sold into marriage, and the multiple wives of biblical characters are put to SHAME by the middle eastern potentates who had harems reaching into the HUNDREDS!!

Essentially, I don't think that religion originally caused the problems that we see with the repression of women and female sexuality. Simple biology and evolutionary drive to reproduce and to protect ones own offspring did that, and it simply became codified into society - not just in religion, but in law, in social norms, in ettiquette...everything. And when you consider that the basic principles of reproduction only started to change with the advent of reliable birth control in the 50s - well, a LOT has changed in only 60years!! (And yes, I know that rudimentary herbs and condoms made of lamb intestine (and REUSED - YUCK!) existed long before that, but it was the scientific advent of reproductive technology, and the PILL that made the real difference).

Give it another 100 years. After all, we are trying to change THOUSANDS of years of societal norms here - and we've not even been at it for a century!

Smurfette
01-17-2013, 03:43 PM
I think that is also just an opinion. Because I know lots of muslim women who are super happy with their religion and have never felt repressed in their life. Tonssss of them. They are basically princesses and the husband, if he wants to marry her, must supply her with shelter, food, and clothing. Like that's one of his obligations, so she's safe, spoiled, and secure. Its really not as bad as the U.S. media makes it out to be.

That being said, the more conservative ones in Islam wear a hijab, niqab, or a burqa in order to cover "their beauty." This is NOT because they are repressed. Its because they believe in only saving their beauty for their husband. They only want to share that with him. I actually find it really romantic. But of course if they don't want to share their physical beauty with anyone else, they are also going to be extremely disturbed by women having sex with strange men for money and totally not allow their children around that because it goes against their religious beliefs.

They aren't going to change their belief system just because someone else doesn't like it. Remember, religion has a cultural connotation, and no one is going to change their culture unless they discovered on their own that its not best-suited for them. Changing your religion is essentially changing your culture. That means leaving your family, friends, and life behind. At the end of the day though, people will follow their own intuitions.

Yeah, I was just expressing my opinion. I know there are many women who are very happy with their religion and I don't have a problem with that as long as they aren't forced into it. I just don't understand it. I don't understand how these women can be totally OK with accepting their role as the weaker sex, meant to be quiet, meek, submissive virginal child-bearing vessels for their men, while simultaneously being distrusted and reviled by those same men.

If you switched every instance of man with "white person" and woman with "black person" in the Bible, you'd be appalled at the racism. But because it's sexism instead, it's somehow okay?

I don't agree with Islam's dress code for women because it's specifically for women. Men don't have to follow any dress code. If I'm expected to cover up for my man, I expect him to do the same for me. This same type of double standard exists everywhere. In the bible, if a girl isn't a virgin on her wedding night, stone her to death. The man's virginity or lack thereof is not addressed, however.



Essentially, I don't think that religion originally caused the problems that we see with the repression of women and female sexuality. Simple biology and evolutionary drive to reproduce and to protect ones own offspring did that, and it simply became codified into society - not just in religion, but in law, in social norms, in ettiquette...everything. And when you consider that the basic principles of reproduction only started to change with the advent of reliable birth control in the 50s - well, a LOT has changed in only 60years!! (And yes, I know that rudimentary herbs and condoms made of lamb intestine (and REUSED - YUCK!) existed long before that, but it was the scientific advent of reproductive technology, and the PILL that made the real difference).

Give it another 100 years. After all, we are trying to change THOUSANDS of years of societal norms here - and we've not even been at it for a century!

I realize that the Abrahamic religions aren't the only ones to subjagate women, nearly all of them do or did at one point. But there were many pagan religions that revered birth, fertility, and pregnancy, worshipped goddesses and ordained priestesses. Regardless of how the common women in those cultures were treated, at least they seemed to recognise women as uniquely powerful and respectable to some degree.

Judeo-christian beliefs may not have introduced patriarchy and the oppression of women to the world, but it certainly doubled-down on those values and permanently cemented them in society. The church was also largely responsible for completely grinding to a halt the advancement of humanity in general, the pursuit of knowledge, technology, discouraging intellectual curiosity, etc. I think it's quite likely that without that ever-present religious influence hovering over everyone's shoulders, women would have found their independence and freedom long ago.

While I do acknowledge the biological basis for the origin of gender roles in society, I hesitate to go too far down that route. After a while it can seem like justification for women's lowered status. Ancient civilizations were very ignorant about a great many things, and since we're now a modern society it doesn't make sense for us to be clinging on to a remnant of the ancient world whose beliefs are still so harmful and degrading to women. That's my view anyway.

I do agree that we should give it time. 60 years is barely the blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. I wonder what the world will be like for women when I'm 90 years old. I hope it'll be a vast improvement (and that we haven't blown ourselves up by then).

laurielegs
01-17-2013, 07:34 PM
It's all so stupid that they are crucifying her for this, but I have to admit my first thought was "no great loss" as far as that teaching job. I'm sure for some teachers it can be very rewarding, but teachers are so underappreciated and underpaid.

Really there is very likely no corporate or educational job I will ever be interested in again. (Seriously -- what are these awesome "careers" I am supposedly giving up. Been there done that, never again!)

I don't miss the bullshit "parties" which i was expected to contribute money/time/food to, the mindless stupid meetings, conference calls, office politics, game playing, all the extra unpaid duties, time and gas wasted on commuting, all the extra expense of wardrobe (wearing uncomfy clothes that I hated to conform to their horrible dress codes) . Even as a supervisor I was routinely made to feel like a slave to the corporation.

It's degrading.

Right now I hear the wind whistling outside and it's in the 20s and I'm in my warm comfy bed surfing, preparing for a shift later.

Sometimes I forget just how awesome this profession is!

Kellydancer
01-17-2013, 09:58 PM
The Abrahamic religions refer to the three religions that started with Abraham and branched off: Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. IMO they are the primary cause of all this sexual repression, and responsible for the subjugation of women for the past two thousand years. I don't understand how any self-respecting woman can follow a religion that blatantly tells her she is lesser than a man, she cannot exist on her own but was MADE specifically FOR the man, must submit to her husband and refer to him in all things, must not speak in church, etc. Eve was the first transgressor. She ate the apple and that act alone solidifies women's roles as lesser beings. It's so easy to oppress half the population when GOD HIMSELF deems them inferior and tells them their role in life is to be slaves to the other half of the population.

I know there are a lot of liberal denominations that don't take the Bible literally and gloss over the nasty parts of it to emphasize on Jesus and his positive message. That's fine, but I find it incredibly difficult to shut myself off from all of the bigotry and hatred within its pages, especially when I know the effect it's had on society for so many years.

This isn't the case in all churches. I am Catholic and women are allowed to speak in church and hold leadership roles (except being priests), and the idea of submission isn't mentioned. In fact the wedding vows don't mention submission and obeying and they don't even do the "who gives the bride away" and while the father can walk her down the aisle that mostly started after Protestant churches. Traditional (as in traditional and not Catholics who believe in Latin mass)weddings start with the couple coming down the aisle. True, women can't be priests but to be honest I think this will eventually change. Some might think the rule against birth control and abortion is anti women but I don't believe that really, but as a way that nature happens. Most of the women at church, even mothers of young children work and the priest has said this is fine and that the Vatican has no view on this. There are many things I have issues with regarding the Catholic Church but this is the same as all religions, including Hinduism which is not an Abrahamic religion but still very misogynist.

Now I have a friend who is a fundie and that church I don't get at all because women are treated like you mentioned. Women in the wedding vows agree to obey and take care of the household and allow him to be the leader of the house. His church women who work are attacked as only "evil" women work and "good" women are stay at home women. Women aren't allowed to vote in his church either and even the head of the women's group (which is all about teaching women to be cooks and traditional women roles)is a man.

We can all say we wonder why someone believes something and it is just opinion. I don't get why my friend's wife is happy catering to him and only has a life devoted to him and their 4 (and counting)kids but on the other hand I don't get a woman having several babies with a man she isn't married to, like many do today. I don't understand extreme religious views but I don't understand atheism or anything like that either.

GlamourRouge
01-17-2013, 10:43 PM
I don't agree with Islam's dress code for women because it's specifically for women. Men don't have to follow any dress code. If I'm expected to cover up for my man, I expect him to do the same for me. This same type of double standard exists everywhere.

Judeo-christian beliefs may not have introduced patriarchy and the oppression of women to the world, but it certainly doubled-down on those values and permanently cemented them in society. The church was also largely responsible for completely grinding to a halt the advancement of humanity in general, the pursuit of knowledge, technology, discouraging intellectual curiosity, etc. I think it's quite likely that without that ever-present religious influence hovering over everyone's shoulders, women would have found their independence and freedom long ago.

SMH, no one whose Islamic or whose whatever *has* to follow a dresscode. They choose to. Its the American media that makes it out to be something its not. And actually yes, yes there is a dresscode for men too. There are plenty of Muslims who do not wear any garment to signify they are Muslim. The reason you don't realize they are Muslim is because the American media has brainwashed everyone into thinking you can spot an Islamic person by their clothing. No.

In that case, are all true Catholics supposed to dress like nuns? No. Do all Hindus always wear saris? No. They choose to, they are not forced. And again, its the American media. The American media doesn't attack saris or yamakas or nun cornettes, but it sure has no problem attacking hijabs. Its biased.

This is a great example of the power they have over the public, tricking them into believing things that are not even true, or true in very trace amounts. Like I said, they already mindfuck you with food and sex. Religion too. Its done on purpose, to trick you into believing things that are not the truth/reality. I mean, why do they do this when they could easily portray the truth? As much as I don't want to go all conspiracy-theory on everyone, its because its a power thing. They want power and control. So of course they purposely suppress sex too even though it comes natural. That's why I don't think it will change. Because its done on purpose.




In the bible, if a girl isn't a virgin on her wedding night, stone her to death. The man's virginity or lack thereof is not addressed, however..

I suspect this is because birth control did not exist when the bible was written, so the mother had no idea who the father of her child would be if she was having sex with multiple men. Thus doing herself a disservice since, in caveman ancient times, a man would not stick around to raise a child that was not his.

Kellydancer
01-18-2013, 12:08 AM
I had college classmates from Islamic countries and they told me they could dress like that but chose not to. Not all Islamic countries require women to dress like that and many allow people to dress western style.

Incantatious
01-18-2013, 03:39 AM
SMH, no one whose Islamic or whose whatever *has* to follow a dresscode. They choose to.

I don't want to thread-jack here, but damn... Are you sure about that?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Hijab_world2.png

It also just recently came to pass in Indonesia that women may no longer allowed (by law) to straddle a motorcycle because it shows off too much "curves". - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20896966

The source (BBC) is from the UK, but you can find this same news covered by many, many different countries - you just need to look. So if these kinds of horrors are American made... are they UK made too? A product of fiction dreamed up by the entirety of Western media?

Cruel sexism is still rife in the world; even if we aren't there to witness it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Marina Starr
01-18-2013, 07:10 AM
Yes, it sure does and it's disgusting!

I don't want to thread-jack here, but damn... Are you sure about that?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f2/Hijab_world2.png

It also just recently came to pass in Indonesia that women may no longer allowed (by law) to straddle a motorcycle because it shows off too much "curves". - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-20896966

The source (BBC) is from the UK, but you can find this same news covered by many, many different countries - you just need to look. So if these kinds of horrors are American made... are they UK made too? A product of fiction dreamed up by the entirety of Western media?

Cruel sexism is still rife in the world; even if we aren't there to witness it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Glasses
01-18-2013, 07:26 AM
^^ however those legal restrictions include the restrictions which forbid wearing it

Incantatious
01-18-2013, 07:44 AM
^^ however those legal restrictions include the restrictions which forbid wearing it

My inclusion of that image was purely to respond to Glamour's notion that nobody has to follow a dress code - in certain countries it is very mandatory, and penalties for not following certain laws can be punishable by even death in some instances... The reason I posted was because it seemed like a big misunderstanding, but I don't want to derail this thread by going off onto a completely different discussion than the OPs, so I will leave it to the point I made in the previous post. :)

Smurfette
01-18-2013, 09:02 AM
I just typed up a response but I'm afraid this thread might turn into a religious debate, lol. I don't want to look like I'm attacking religion and purposely steering the thread in the wrong direction.

GlamourRouge
01-18-2013, 12:44 PM
My inclusion of that image was purely to respond to Glamour's notion that nobody has to follow a dress code - in certain countries it is very mandatory, and penalties for not following certain laws can be punishable by even death in some instances.

That's cultural, NOT religion like I was talking about.

ManyRoses
01-18-2013, 01:30 PM
That's cultural, NOT religion like I was talking about.

In most of the countries on the map, there actually isn't a separation of law/culture/state and religion, like there is in North America. So while I get what you are saying, I feel that in many countries, religion IS cultural. The prevalent (and in some cases, ONLY) legal religion is taught in schools, affiliated with political parties and leaders, and often religious law is the only law (or at least, is as valid as "government" law. A pointless distinction, if your government is a religious government.). Sharia law is not just allowed, but often the first stop for legal debate in many countries.

I think that there are cases where both are true - some people do CHOOSE to wear the hijab, or to make themselves an "inferior" to their husband, but some do not. There are women fighting for the RIGHT to wear the hijab, and some women who are leaving their homes and coming to the US so that they have the right NOT to wear it. There are women that absolutely DO feel repressed, subjugated, and marginalized by the prevailing religious culture, and some who are 100% in it themselves, and truly believe in their faith.

So yes, I agree that not every woman who is a member of these faiths feels like she is being turned into a second class citizen, or repressed, or whatever, it is simply not true that women can choose all over the world. In fact, in many of these cultures, because sharia law is the only or primary legal system, if a woman TRIES not to wear the hijab, or tried to disobey her father, or tries to follow another faith, they can legally kill her, and call it an honor killing.

Kellydancer
01-18-2013, 01:39 PM
I just typed up a response but I'm afraid this thread might turn into a religious debate, lol. I don't want to look like I'm attacking religion and purposely steering the thread in the wrong direction.

Btw I don't think you are attacking religion at all because some religious views are quite scary. Even though I am religious there are things I disagree with in religion.

ManyRoses
01-18-2013, 01:47 PM
I just typed up a response but I'm afraid this thread might turn into a religious debate, lol. I don't want to look like I'm attacking religion and purposely steering the thread in the wrong direction.

Honestly, I would LOVE to have a religious debate with you! I think that this thread has managed to stay incredibly calm and reasonable, given the subject matter so far, and that we are able to talk about religion without getting too heated or personally attacking anyone. But I know that we aren't supposed to talk religion on here...

GlamourRouge
01-18-2013, 01:50 PM
In most of the countries on the map, there actually isn't a separation of law/culture/state and religion, like there is in North America. So while I get what you are saying, I feel that in many countries, religion IS cultural. The prevalent (and in some cases, ONLY) legal religion is taught in schools, affiliated with political parties and leaders, and often religious law is the only law (or at least, is as valid as "government" law. A pointless distinction, if your government is a religious government.). Sharia law is not just allowed, but often the first stop for legal debate in many countries.

I think that there are cases where both are true - some people do CHOOSE to wear the hijab, or to make themselves an "inferior" to their husband, but some do not. There are women fighting for the RIGHT to wear the hijab, and some women who are leaving their homes and coming to the US so that they have the right NOT to wear it. There are women that absolutely DO feel repressed, subjugated, and marginalized by the prevailing religious culture, and some who are 100% in it themselves, and truly believe in their faith.

What? Have you guys been to major cities all around the world? People dress very western in them... even in "highly religious" countries in the middle east or north africa. Some people wear religious garments, some don't. And its not a big deal.

And wearing a hijab does not make you inferior, its just an article of clothing to show modesty? This is so weird.

This is going so off-topic lol.

ManyRoses
01-18-2013, 02:11 PM
What? Have you guys been to major cities all around the world? People dress very western in them... even in "highly religious" countries in the middle east or north africa. Some people wear religious garments, some don't. And its not a big deal.

And wearing a hijab does not make you inferior, its just an article of clothing to show modesty? This is so weird.

This is going so off-topic lol.

Ok - first thing - you misunderstood one sentence! I didn't mean to say that the hijab was making a women inferior, that was actually a second, separate example - referring to another post where someone talked about vows that explicitly give the man control over the woman and the household. So that sentence should have read "some people choose to wear the hijab, and some people choose to make vows that puts them under their husbands rule in the house". Hope that makes more sense now!

And yes, I have been to many of these countries, and even lived in Africa for a time! I promise, I'm not just making assumptions. The situation is that expats and tourists have a certain amount of leeway, although some places DO LEGALLY REQUIRE every women to be covered wrist to ankle. In Saudi, it used to be the case that a women could not legally leave the house without a male escort, or without full coverage, although I do not know if that has changed recently. It is by far the exception, rather than the rule that it is legally mandated to wear the hijab, but it IS still the rule in two countries.

And in others, although there are a range of styles of dress, it is often NOT the woman who makes that decision. If you are a woman in a strictly religious family, you probably do not have a choice, and the law (which can be religious law, not secular law) will back the patriarch, not the woman. I have a few friends who have been told that they will not be welcome at home because they have chosen to move to Canada to be able to wear western clothing and get tattoos - and many more who say they cannot go back because of how they would be treated if they did not wear the hijab. For other women, even if they do not want to wear the scarves or clothes, they are afraid of how they will be treated if they don't - that they will be considered sluts, or shamed, or fired from jobs, or whatever.

It definitely goes both ways - and not everyone is being coerced or forced to wear them by any means, but some definitely are.

And yes, this is SO off topic - but it is such an interesting topic!! lol

CurvySweet
01-18-2013, 02:22 PM
Gone are the days that you work in the same job till you die. In the UK we are living alot longer so its unlikely you will stay in the same job for the next 50 years! Over that time a number of career changes will happen due to the economy etc. All us ladies know you need to have more than one arrow to our bow in this game to survive. Things are going to need to change. Its just sad this keeps happening.

NaughtyNattie
01-18-2013, 03:07 PM
I'm not going into education or anything; I'm in my early thirties and planning on doing this to save up a ton of money and not even worry about a career. I have MS, with the largest symptom being fatigue. I have learned that I can complete a combination of rest, sleep and camming throughout the day that combats it. I have two associates degrees, but am not able to get a vanilla job in my field because I have MS. I'm a liability, they just will not hire me. The BS about no discrimination is crap because they can choose not to hire me based on whatever reason they decide and not even have to tell me. I would like to see me proving it! Also, no employer is going to work with me on my anti-fatigue schedule. I cannot get disability because our fucked up government does not recognize MS as a disability unless you're in a wheelchair. I choose to walk as long as possible thank you very much. So, I am left with camming.

That said, what worries me is not the jobs in the future because I plan to continue running my website after I feel that I have saved enough, plus my hubby is a wonderful bread winner. I have worries of a different nature, but in the same category.

I do this so that I can give my children everything they deserve, the utmost opportunities in life. But, around here the department of family and children services are extremely high on the moral high horse and look down on this greatly. The friend that introduced me to camming lost her children because someone recognized her and told their father (who was not paying child support, and not being forced to). He in turn went to the department and filed a complaint that she was an unfit mother because of what she was doing. They investigated, and because her 14 year old son had found porn on a friends computer and watched, they automatically assumed it was her fault because of what she does. She refused to stop because it is the only job she can afford to work because of daycare costs and they took her children, gave them to their father, and only allows her supervised visits.

She has appealed the decision several times, but always gets the same ruling...only because her 14 year old looked at porn at a friends house, not hers. My problem, is that my son was there too looking at the same porn. I have 4 children, two younger than him, one about to be too old for them to worry about. What if his father, who hates my guts finds out? He WILL report it, guaranteed even tho my son now lives with him, he would do it out of spite. My two daughters will suffer because he is a bastard! I have a completely separate building where I cam, the door is locked, they are never allowed to go in there, none of my children have the slightest clue what I do or where the money comes from, and all of my children are over the age of 12. But, none of that will matter to this fucked up government.

If it weren't for that, I would show my face all over, I don't give a fuck. But I have to be as careful as possible for my children...So, does anyone think that is fair? While this teacher did what she had to do to get through college, it didn't make her a bad person, and she shouldn't feel bad about it at all, no one should!

bunny8558
01-28-2013, 12:37 PM
Thanks to Freudian ideas of sexuality along with Neo-Progressive ideas of progress through human repression, woman are equal to men if and only if they give up female-ness. If you are too attractive, too sexual, too motherly, too this, too that, you are deemed unqualified for equality. Physical wants and needs are seen as animal-like in a Freudian context, and since so many people bought into that (thanks to Bernays), we all have to suffer. It's not a religious thing as much as we may think, IMO. Religion is the tool used by culture to achieve ends many times, and I think repressing sexuality and femaleness is helpful for social control more than religion. The way to fight this is to ask people WHY they think what they think. I've never asked someone that who actually can tell me which religious or social text supports his/her opinion. There are texts and books on this stuff, but in my experience, people believe what makes them feel better about themselves with little to no scientific, philosophical, or religious backing. Force people to explain why, and they will back down or at least admit to being backwards.
I started dancing and doing nude work BECAUSE I realized after two years of fruitless job hunting that being attractive and a mother made me difficult to hire despite a degree and numerous qualifications. I never want to work for anyone in a normal job again. I want to work for myself in some fashion for the rest of my life-- and, if you keep up with economic trends, jobs are likely to become project-based and entrepreneurial anyway. I embrace that everyday...
I hope the lady fired for her ex-porn work makes so much money that in the future, she laughs at her foray into teaching. :D

KendallStorm
01-28-2013, 11:33 PM
Oh man, I could write a book on this. Back in the early 2000's when I was a teenager and dancing, I was lured into porn when new dancing laws (no touching and 6 ft rule) went into affect in my big city. It was a ghost town for a few months. I needed cash quick, and went to FL for a week to make my monthly income. Little did I know they placed me on the most popular reality porn sites in existence, 5 of them. I was so clueless. As my "manager" drove me to the set, she received a phone call from a crying Mom from a past performer begging her to get the porn sites to take down her daughter's sites. Not gonna happen. I'm not sure why I was so numb. My mentality was that no one would find out, and if they did, **** them.

Needless to say, EVERYONE found out. A scorned ex boyfriend saw it, and messaged the link to every single friend on my social networking sites, including family. But even besides that, if someone finds out you are on an adult website, they can tell EVERYONE they know, or maybe they won't because then they will prove they were on an adult site. I essentially became famous in a small town, LOL.

Now that I am a Mom, married, and going back to school, I still can't go to Wal-Mart without someone looking at me and whispering. And this was many years ago. I often pondered moving to another state far away and starting over. Lucky for me, my HOT hubby loves me for me, and actually loved the fact of what I did. We have decided to cam together while we are both in grad school, which lets us both be home with our toddler which I never thought I would do. And it's amazing. I figure, what the heck? What's done is done, and I think this industry is powerful for women. I find that more women than men who "found out" about me actually thought it was very cool and were intrigued. Of course you get the crazy, conservative ones who want to burn you at the stake. In the back of your mind, you always wonder who knows what everytime you see someone. I face a harsh reality, but I embrace the industry, and I am happier than I have ever been in my life.