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Raina Shine
08-20-2014, 10:25 AM
I'd be totally into a camming book club, I love reading! :) Start it up girl!
SweetLilyRaven
08-20-2014, 11:14 AM
I just read about a cool idea that I think will definitely improve my hustle. Basically you form a specific question, and write it down at the top of a sheet of paper. The question has to pertain to a specific goal you want to achieve. Then you have to come up with at least 20 responses to the question. The author suggests writing the responses in personal, present form and doing the exercise at least once a day. I think even once a week will be a big help to me.
Since I tend to always overthink things, what kinds of questions are they talking about? Can you give an example? Or for instance, I have a BIG goal of earning $2000 by January for plane tickets to England. What kind of question do I ask? I'm probably making this far too complicated…
Also - I'm a massive bookworm, so please sign me up for a book club membership!
SimoneGray
08-20-2014, 04:34 PM
^^ This is such a great idea :D I'd love something like this. Reading and researching is everything
CurvyCarysa
10-14-2014, 03:36 AM
im just now getting my hustle ive gone from being overly nice to everyone - that me burnt out fast
witch resulted in me just having no patience for anything and turning into a bitch on cam - obvi got me nowhere ...YES exactly I have a same experience...
IvyAdams
11-05-2014, 11:51 AM
Bumping this!! Just want to know if a book club was ever created?? I think it sounds like an awesome idea, and I would loveeee to be involved :)
hyori
05-16-2016, 08:50 AM
Bumping this because well, we can always improve on the hustle or in cam world or the many hustles...the more I cam, the more I realize that there are 2 distinct types:
1. The usual girl next door where you target the customers ego and make them feel good about themselves. Would this be the majority of your customers? Maybe, it depends on your look and what you are willing to put up with.
2. The fetish/niche where you become the fantasy. The girl who is into D/s, JOI, CEI, humiliation, bondage, age, race, etc. This type of hustle is more of a performance and a play on dynamics.
I've noticed that girls who start out usually go with the vanilla hustle and then as they become more experienced, (or sick of catering to male egos), they become more dominant. I'm there now.
I think I'm confusing my customers though. Now that I want more fetish guys, I don't really give a shit about being nice anymore but then that turns off the guys who need ego boosts. Then the fetish guys think that I'm not genuine because I can do the whole nice girl persona as well.
The thing is, I'm more genuine now than ever, the vanilla hustle was never me, it was just a way to get guys to tip or take me private.
At what point must you be a faker versus being genuine to make a sale? I can't see having the persona of a used car salesperson being attractive as a cam host or is that what works in the end? It's a bit maddening. For me, either persona ends up making me about the same in earnings so I can't even choose.
Jill of all trades, master of none hustle. OK.
Glamourmilf
05-16-2016, 10:59 AM
Bumping this because well, we can always improve on the hustle or in cam world or the many hustles...the more I cam, the more I realize that there are 2 distinct types:
1. The usual girl next door where you target the customers ego and make them feel good about themselves. Would this be the majority of your customers? Maybe, it depends on your look and what you are willing to put up with.
2. The fetish/niche where you become the fantasy. The girl who is into D/s, JOI, CEI, humiliation, bondage, age, race, etc. This type of hustle is more of a performance and a play on dynamics.
I've noticed that girls who start out usually go with the vanilla hustle and then as they become more experienced, (or sick of catering to male egos), they become more dominant. I'm there now.
I think I'm confusing my customers though. Now that I want more fetish guys, I don't really give a shit about being nice anymore but then that turns off the guys who need ego boosts. Then the fetish guys think that I'm not genuine because I can do the whole nice girl persona as well.
The thing is, I'm more genuine now than ever, the vanilla hustle was never me, it was just a way to get guys to tip or take me private.
At what point must you be a faker versus being genuine to make a sale? I can't see having the persona of a used car salesperson being attractive as a cam host or is that what works in the end? It's a bit maddening. For me, either persona ends up making me about the same in earnings so I can't even choose.
Jill of all trades, master of none hustle. OK.
I know what you are going through. I deal with mostly fetish/ domination custie, but I work on sites that cater to vanilla guys too.
I started to feel that I had to be 'nice' to those guys in order for THEM to spend. The saying, " You catch more flies with honey", kept rattling through my brain.
I tried it for a while, heck, I still get swept into it from time to time. But it goes against my nature so much. I'm more comfortable playing ice queen, or mean mommy, etc.
Honestly, I make the most $$$$$ when I'm more subdued, and quiet in my chat rooms.
I can't tell you how many times I've talked myself out of a tip, token, or a private by being too girly, chatty, or sweet.
*I now only use ^^technique when I want to clear my room of freeloaders.
sovereignv
05-16-2016, 11:32 AM
I find with the domme hustle it's easy to push really hard for a sale (i.e. "we ARE going to do this, you're going to do this for me now, go private and serve immediately") with it still being like consistent with your persona. I didn't use to do it because to be honest I didn't have the confidence for it + didn't think anyone would buy it, but I do now and it usually works for me. On the other hand if you're supposed to be some kinda shy cute girl next door it's probably a bit jarring...
One of my biggest realisations with camming is that what sounds corny and ridiculous and over the top to you probably sounds just right to a dead horny guy who's into what you're pushing. I view my persona a bit like a campy joke because to be honest it is to me anyway but the subs don't get that, so I get to have my cake and eat it too.
E.S. Camgirl, Ph.D.
05-16-2016, 12:28 PM
Bumping this because well, we can always improve on the hustle or in cam world or the many hustles...the more I cam, the more I realize that there are 2 distinct types:
1. The usual girl next door where you target the customers ego and make them feel good about themselves. Would this be the majority of your customers? Maybe, it depends on your look and what you are willing to put up with.
2. The fetish/niche where you become the fantasy. The girl who is into D/s, JOI, CEI, humiliation, bondage, age, race, etc. This type of hustle is more of a performance and a play on dynamics.
I've noticed that girls who start out usually go with the vanilla hustle and then as they become more experienced, (or sick of catering to male egos), they become more dominant. I'm there now.
I think I'm confusing my customers though. Now that I want more fetish guys, I don't really give a shit about being nice anymore but then that turns off the guys who need ego boosts. Then the fetish guys think that I'm not genuine because I can do the whole nice girl persona as well.
The thing is, I'm more genuine now than ever, the vanilla hustle was never me, it was just a way to get guys to tip or take me private.
At what point must you be a faker versus being genuine to make a sale? I can't see having the persona of a used car salesperson being attractive as a cam host or is that what works in the end? It's a bit maddening. For me, either persona ends up making me about the same in earnings so I can't even choose.
Jill of all trades, master of none hustle. OK.
I have a lot to say about this topic, but I don't want to get too angry in the morning. :-*
Regarding archetype #1: That was how I started, and it's still what I'm best at, but it fucked me over so hard. I used to have all sorts of fun in free chat, getting to know people, charming them, getting a few tips in the process, but what I learned is that most (not all) of those guys that need that much attention and "friendship" need it because they feel impotent in their real lives, and most likely, they feel that way because they do not have the amount of money they wish they had. Men equate money with self esteem and power. Men without money will need the most reassurances. Yes, I've met rich men with low self-esteem (and it's a masculine problem in general), but the most popular answer to "Why is this guy so needy?" is "because he's broke." There may be a cluster of reasons, like an illness leading to the hospital bills that ate up an otherwise livable income, but at the end of that noose you'll find a zero.
This is not to imply that guys with limited funds need more smoke blown up their asses because they are broke, but when a guy needs that extra love, you won't have to look much further than his bank balance to discover why. What I've found is that, unless he lives in a sparsely populated area or is extremely socially anxious or has another limiting situation, like being a politician or celebrity, most guys who need ego reassurance and also have money, will simply call an escort or get a sugar baby for that need.
I haven't been camming as regularly as I'd like, but I'm trying to limit other obligations so that I can give more time to camming, because you know, I really do fucking like it. I like running it the way I like to do it. And I think I've found my method. I still goof off, because that entertains *ME* and keeps *ME* smiling, which the vanilla guys like, so now I get way more vanilla private shows, even though mostly what I advertise is fetish-oriented. I'm getting heavier into cuckoldry, which I think is a natural extension of my real self, and what's great is that the cuckold fetish customer wants to know that you are getting dick, and they like knowing you do masturbation shows with the other guys, but you can still reinforce your dominance through sluttery. It doesn't destroy the fantasy, which I think some of the reassurance guys rely upon too much (I've had guys get jealous when I do shows with other guys, it's weird). In an ironic way, I get more "i love you" comments, and roleplays about love, marriage, and relationships now that I don't give away friendship to guys who tip kind of okay most of the time and sometimes do a show but need lots of attention in free chat.
With all that, it means I'm more "let's do a show... hey bb take me pvt.... what can I do for you?... let's do exc!" over and over, and yes, it's a sales method. I used to work retail on a commission basis, and I was the top salesperson there precisely because I approached every customer who walked through the door, I introduced myself, and I asked them how I could help them. I could tell immediately from that first interaction if they planned to spend money--it's a sense you develop. If they planned to spend money, I'd stick to them. If they didn't want to spend, I'd pass; there were other, less cunning salespeople. I'm the same way on streamate. Either you're here for a show or a tit flash or a video or you can peace out and come back when you're ready. Stay too long and make me talk to you for too long when you have no intent to spend and I'll downright call it stealing and block you. If I could have kicked looky-loos out of my store, I would have. In fact, the owner of the business was notorious for telling people who said, "we're just looking" a sharp and direct, "well, we're just sellin'!" After his lifetime of entrepreneurship, he knew what he could get away with, and getting rid of non-spenders who take up your time and efforts is one of the best things you can do for yourself. I imagine he was more amenable when he was first starting out, but in adult entertainment, the same need to be saccharine sweet and constantly polite isn't a complete necessity so long as you play it right.
Good customer service is extremely important. Never slack on customer service and always apologize when you make a mistake. But they are not your customer until they spend money.
Of course I like to smile and laugh and be seductive and sweet. But at this point, even on the shittiest of days, I make more now in sales mode than I did on my best days keeping sweet and being everybody's favorite chick.
*exhale*
SylvySinclair
05-16-2016, 06:08 PM
i feel this thread totally related to mfc, i would like to see it related to all sites instead. would be a major help to begginers and even veterans.
hyori
05-17-2016, 08:10 AM
i feel this thread totally related to mfc, i would like to see it related to all sites instead. would be a major help to begginers and even veterans.
I cam on SM, MFC, CB and sometimes Bonga most of the time and I found that hustling on token sites actually helped with getting more privates on Streamate. I wouldn't discount the advice here just because some of it seems to apply mostly to token sites. Sales are more mental work on token sites and less about waiting around for a private--not that I knock that.
Back to the thread subject: I think I am over-thinking things. It is probably best to just be authentic and truly yourself and then work in the customer request to the best of your ability and up to your limits/boundaries and not be a 'type'. I know it may be against all marketing tactics to not have some kind of branded character/persona but shit, I'm seriously not a dom or the girl next door, I'm a mix of both so fuck it.
SylvySinclair
05-17-2016, 10:26 AM
Bumping this because well, we can always improve on the hustle or in cam world or the many hustles...the more I cam, the more I realize that there are 2 distinct types:
1. The usual girl next door where you target the customers ego and make them feel good about themselves. Would this be the majority of your customers? Maybe, it depends on your look and what you are willing to put up with.
2. The fetish/niche where you become the fantasy. The girl who is into D/s, JOI, CEI, humiliation, bondage, age, race, etc. This type of hustle is more of a performance and a play on dynamics.
I've noticed that girls who start out usually go with the vanilla hustle and then as they become more experienced, (or sick of catering to male egos), they become more dominant. I'm there now.
I think I'm confusing my customers though. Now that I want more fetish guys, I don't really give a shit about being nice anymore but then that turns off the guys who need ego boosts. Then the fetish guys think that I'm not genuine because I can do the whole nice girl persona as well.
The thing is, I'm more genuine now than ever, the vanilla hustle was never me, it was just a way to get guys to tip or take me private.
At what point must you be a faker versus being genuine to make a sale? I can't see having the persona of a used car salesperson being attractive as a cam host or is that what works in the end? It's a bit maddening. For me, either persona ends up making me about the same in earnings so I can't even choose.
Jill of all trades, master of none hustle. OK.
u said exactly everything i did on another post for dommes.....if u are nice u are not a domme on their point of view and if u are strict, u are not nice to the vanilla guys.....ugh....
i agree 100%
AlyssaJane
06-06-2016, 07:47 AM
It is true you get that sense right away that somebody is a nonspender. I exhausted so much time trying to entice freeloaders, but I don't do that anymore. Lately I basically call them out on it the second I my freeloader spidey sense goes off. "Yeah I've answered all your questions, pretty sure you are just here to waste my time." or "Pretty sure you are full of shit and have no intention of spending money." What I did not expect is how many guys then immediately take me private. Like whoah I just started spouting off out of frustration but it actually works and converts more sales for me.
DonaDiabla
06-06-2016, 10:27 AM
Actually, I just use Hustle Hut to increase my adult industry earnings overall. Many things that strippers discuss over there....translates well for me into camming. However, I feel that having several personas on different sites just make everything much better. Also, I could never play the girl next door because that does not go well with my personality. So, I was always happy to hear that it works for other girls.I can only play three personas well in this industry....ice princess, taboo girlfriend with occult knowledge, and femme fatale. Being nice and sweet does nothing for my paycheck at all. Also, I feel that my ice princess hustle works well with financial domination. Taboo girlfriend with occult knowledge works well with my regular non-nude cam shows. Plus, it works well while being paired with mental domination and magic control. You see, I needed a gimmick to stand out even more as a non-nude cam model and it worked. :)
coco789
07-09-2017, 08:05 PM
Some gems in this thread :)
CallistoMorgan
07-10-2017, 07:55 AM
I love this thread! It should def be a sticky. Thanks ladies!
naomi_doll
02-27-2018, 09:01 AM
sorry, i know this is the "camming sucks" thread, but i gotta play devil's advocate here.
not every guy on a camsite is seeking free pornographic material. if i get guys like that, i tell them to fuck off and go google tits and ass. plenty of free pussy on the internet. what they can't get from pornhub or google is genuine personality and live interaction. and the types of guys who appreciate that are usually smart, respectful, and most importantly, have money to spend. you need to figure out how to switch up your hustle to attract those types of customers, instead of wasting your time and energy trying to convert douchy freeloaders.
a lot of my customers stick around my room for the conversation. they tell me i stand out because i treat them like actual people, not just potential dollar signs. i greet every single person who comes into the room. we casually chat about common interests, and sometimes the other guys in the chat will even talk to each other. some girls might say that's a total waste of time and that those guys are "freeloading" by not paying for my attention/conversation; but if it results in me getting a bunch of guys to eventually tip into a gold show or go private because they feel a connection with me, i don't think it's a waste at all.
at one point yesterday, i got a half hour exclusive show where i stayed fully clothed and spent the whole block session giving a guy relationship advice. he was brand new to my room. he told me he was searching all night for a model he felt comfortable opening up to, but every other girl he encountered was just sitting in free chat begging for privates and talking about how horny and wet they were. apparently i was the only person he stumbled on that seemed "normal" and "real" to him. (no offense to anyone's hustle... i'm just saying, if that hustle isn't working for you, maybe you should try something else.)
and of course, i have my fair share of bad nights just like anyone else. but it's certainly not going to help you make any money if you log on with the mentality that ALL men on camsites are freeloaders. it simply isn't true.
I wanted to put this here to talk about because although not appropriate for Camming Sucks, I am interested in hearing thoughts and techniques on both sides. I'm personally always closing and turning every comment back to going private (funny because I worked cams for years before just now going to SM), but I do have a couple of guys who want to feel like we are friends (and they are paying so its cool) but I'm an awkward turd so its hard and confusing for me. It also makes token sites hard because I'm set in my ways. I'm not doing bad, but I always want to learn new things. It at least makes sitting on cam more interesting if I try new techniques while I'm there. lol
How do you connect with a customer or potential customer quickly? I know I have the ability to for long term regs, but I'm not sure how to apply that to people who just come into the room.
How long do you humor small talk before you close the sale? If they don't bite and keep talking (lets assume about mundane things) what then?
Again, I'm a very fast closer, so I'm looking for people who do a bit of the opposite. ;)
naomi_doll
02-27-2018, 12:11 PM
Links to threads that are kind of related:
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?220008-Can-timewasters-ever-be-converted-into-customers-or-is-it-best-to-just-walk-away
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?220273-Tips-on-tips-interrupting-a-long-winded-customer
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?168041-How-to-spot-a-time-waster&p=2279792&viewfull=1#post2279792 - this one is so good.
StellaPurr
03-02-2018, 08:37 AM
u said exactly everything i did on another post for dommes.....if u are nice u are not a domme on their point of view and if u are strict, u are not nice to the vanilla guys.....ugh....
i agree 100%
I feel this, i really do. I'm naturally warm and friendly wuth customers, but only if they deserve it. And i also am capable of being stern with the sub customers, and i really enjoy that as well. I can't be one or the other, i like to be both. Otherwise I'm not having fun and i find i make the most money when I'm having a good time. If a guy thinks I'm too nice/goofy to be a domme or too bitchy to be a vanilla girl i just say fuck em. I'm a human and humans can have many different sides, i can't put myself in a box even if it means I'd make more money.
DeepThoughts
03-02-2018, 09:30 AM
I wanted to put this here to talk about because although not appropriate for Camming Sucks, I am interested in hearing thoughts and techniques on both sides. I'm personally always closing and turning every comment back to going private (funny because I worked cams for years before just now going to SM), but I do have a couple of guys who want to feel like we are friends (and they are paying so its cool) but I'm an awkward turd so its hard and confusing for me. It also makes token sites hard because I'm set in my ways. I'm not doing bad, but I always want to learn new things. It at least makes sitting on cam more interesting if I try new techniques while I'm there. lol
How do you connect with a customer or potential customer quickly? I know I have the ability to for long term regs, but I'm not sure how to apply that to people who just come into the room.
How long do you humor small talk before you close the sale? If they don't bite and keep talking (lets assume about mundane things) what then?
Again, I'm a very fast closer, so I'm looking for people who do a bit of the opposite. ;)
Okay so guys love awkward turds. They think its cute or whatever. The great thing about GFE is that you basically cant fuck it up. You just have to learn to keep stringing guys along talking to you etc. Do you have twitter or another social network where they can follow you? This helps a lot for the guys that want to keep in touch with you on a more personal level and if your on SM you cant tell them that you have it but you can tell them to "search" for you. Doesnt mean your going to do dirty talking in DM, if they want to have that then you tell them you will jump on cam and they can come see you. I do this to the extreme at just about anytime I will jump on so a guy will take me exclusive and I wont have make up or sexy undies nothing just regular average me and they love it like they are getting something special. So like I said before you cannot really fuck it up.
I have a number of very.............um, lets call them "high profile" clients who come to me for GFE and I have even given them my number so they can message me whenever they want. I know these guys are safe cause they stand to lose way more by our "relationship" being exposed then I do and I get to benefit from their deep pockets. This is what you can look forward to by doing GFE so just keep at it. You will get better and more comfortable I promise.
Also I would recommend reading HO Tactics by G.L. Lambert. He pretty much breaks down how you get guys to pay for the pleasure of being your acquaintance.