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Djoser
08-12-2014, 09:47 PM
You go on any professional or industry forum or blog or Facebook, you're going to see venting and also joking at the expense of customers and certain types of co-workers. What else could you expect? But at least here there is a lot of other stuff going on.

banished avatar
08-13-2014, 08:27 PM
If someone comes into this club talking about some awful site full of mean girls who hate customers you just gasp in horror and say "Oh my god, that's so awful! I love my job and customers like you totally make it worth coming in!" and move right on.
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Haha that would so be me. And the worst part is I would believe it.

Fantasy. Its fun. Try it. :)

SweetJulia
08-14-2014, 04:17 PM
You go on any professional or industry forum or blog or Facebook, you're going to see venting and also joking at the expense of customers and certain types of co-workers. What else could you expect? But at least here there is a lot of other stuff going on.
Exactly, the nursing forum I used to post on...........this is nothing, us nurses can be brutal when in a bad mood and I've vented my ass off on there.

audrey_k
08-14-2014, 08:08 PM
I don't worry about it hurting customers opinions, I'm just worried about being outed ever since I got outed on an escort support board...

JayATee
08-21-2014, 10:31 PM
Lmfao. Don't want to know? Stop reading. And no I'm not worried. Supply and demand. Who doesn't want naked chicks?

KikiGem
11-09-2014, 06:25 PM
Not really. Personally, everything I say on here I'm not afraid to 'own up to' IRL. I would (and sometimes do!) say the same shit out loud. But I love to bitch, so that's why I'm here- to vent! I know I don't appreciate it when someone complains my ear off, so I don't want to do that to others. So I use this as my outlet.

KalinKross
11-10-2014, 06:18 PM
I dont think very many customers except the junkies know about it. Ive been dancing for a year and only learned about it a few weeks ago!~

Zekerella
11-12-2014, 10:59 PM
I find the more reality and less fantasy the better. I have no doubt I am in the minority of guys. I dream of a stripper encounter like this:
Me: Hey, wow you are pretty can I get a dance?
Her: Well I was going to the dressing room to text this attractive guy I know and I'd rather do that than rub my ass on you for 5 minutes.
Me: Well, I do tip.
Her: Ok, shit I hope the next song is short.
(move to the couch)
Me: What is your stage name again?
Her: Fantasia.
Me: Ah, they call me Nerd or Nerdy Max.
Her: Whoopie.
Me: So what are the rules here.
Her: How much are you going to tip?
Me: How about $50 for two songs, light hands?
Her: Don't make me kick you in the balls, make it $60.
Me: Done.
(music starts but she's stalling)
Her: So what do you do?
Me: I'm an undercover narc, I go around to strip joints and try to entrap dancers. Can I get a blowjob for an extra $300?
Her: What the fuck?
Me: Sorry, bad joke.
Her: (Trying to decide wether to slap me or laugh)
Me: (mutters apology slips a bonus $10 in her belt)
Me: Actually I have a very boring job, I work in IT and would rather not talk about it.
Her: Uhm ok. (finally starts dancing)
Me: You are very pretty.
Her: (pretending she hasn't heard that 1,000 times today) Thank you.
Me: (gently slides hands up her body)
Her: Be a little more firm, thats so gentle its creepy.
Me: Of course. :)
Her: If you want to keep your hands on my tits the whole time we need to go to the skybox (vip).
Me: How much fun can we have up there?
Her: Don't try to insert anything anywhere and I won't have to stab you in the eye with my heel.
Me: Sounds fair, how much is it?
Her: Normally it's 175 for 30 minutes, but for you I'll do a special, $200.
Me: (laughing) ok.
et cetera, et cetera
Eventually, when I've run through my 400 that I usually have in my pocket when I go in a SC, I might hint at OTC meetings or a number. I get the impression most dancers do not actually date clients OTC, but there are a few that do... and they usually want $1k for that first hotel meet, which is fine with me if I get the entire morning with them, we can shower together, playtime, pillow talk.
I love attitude, but I'm not submissive. I'm just mostly attracted to women who are strong/opinionated/dont take shit from anyone.

I'm guessing Joyluck is full in on the fantasy aspect of the clubs, so for him the peek behind the curtain is a spoiler.

That's pretty much what goes through my head but comes out my mouth much different lol. Fuck it would be a joy to say what I was thinking out loud. Come to my club lol

gameover
11-13-2014, 12:10 AM
It didn't turn me off strip clubs. Actually, I've learned a heck of a lot here that's helped me get more bang for my buck :)

KikiGem
11-13-2014, 01:16 AM
It didn't turn me off strip clubs. Actually, I've learned a heck of a lot here that's helped me get more bang for my buck :)

Oh God... what could that be? "Bang for the buck" is a term most people apply to WalMart coupons

Aniela
11-13-2014, 09:04 AM
Oh God... what could that be? "Bang for the buck" is a term most people apply to WalMart coupons

When sm1 uses that expression in reference to their SC experience, I think it's pretty obvious what kind of customer they are :O

gameover
11-14-2014, 10:40 PM
When sm1 uses that expression in reference to their SC experience, I think it's pretty obvious what kind of customer they are :O

I'm not referring to extras. I meant that it provides insight/defense against some of "hustle hut" techniques used by dancers.

Flickdreams
11-15-2014, 12:05 AM
^ No, Aniela's comment to you still applies.

gameover
11-15-2014, 01:06 AM
^ No, Aniela's comment to you still applies.

Just as when you shop for a car, it's always better to be a well educated consumer. This site provides that for customers. I'm sorry you don't like that.

Flickdreams
11-15-2014, 01:27 AM
Don't care mate.

Hopper
11-15-2014, 02:09 AM
Don't care mate.

Sounds like you do.

He's right. It's useful to be aware of the things dancers openly discuss here. It's just the same as when doing business anywhere else. If you know something about the sales side, you can get better deals and avoid being dissatisfied or cheated.

Information from dancers here also helps me to be a better customer, which in turn helps me to get better service.

Most dancers here don't even give extras so why would anything they say about their sales techniques help customers to get those?

Coffee
11-15-2014, 06:24 AM
I do not think that they will visit this site and read things about cam models and strippers. They do not really care about these things unless they fell in love with one for the first time.

Mostly those customers when they think they are in love with a stripper or a cam model they become obsess on knowing even just a tiny bit about her. So that's when they will search the web.

But if they only want to have some fun or have someone to chat with because they are bored, then they won't care about these things.

Prettyglitter
11-15-2014, 08:51 AM
Yeah but they choose to come here! Also, it's a turn off reading TUSCL. All they do there is talk about how stupid and entitled we are, how not to spend money on a dancer, and how to get extras for 100 in the back. TUSCL caters to stripclubbers and Sw caters to strippers.

Flickdreams
11-16-2014, 01:17 AM
Exacerey!

gameover
11-16-2014, 09:47 AM
Actually, I've found this site fascinating, to see things from a dancers perspective. And, it has increased my empathy toward the dancers as well. Before I saw this site, I only saw the "easy money" side, and wasn't really aware of all of the things that dancers put up with to get that money.

KikiGem
11-16-2014, 11:08 AM
Actually, I've found this site fascinating, to see things from a dancers perspective. And, it has increased my empathy toward the dancers as well. Before I saw this site, I only saw the "easy money" side, and wasn't really aware of all of the things that dancers put up with to get that money.

Coming on a dancer site to boast about how you've figured out how to get high mileage at low costs is absolutely cringe-worthy.
Also this site is not for you or any customer. It's for us dancers, and is not a crash course in how to be a better SC 'consumer'- ick, BTW.

The only dancers who would give you more 'bang for your buck' are either A) brand-new barely legal girls or B) easily manipulated or otherwise extremely desperate girls. Both of which makes you a predator; and just an all-around gross human being.

The fact that you've been trolling this site for 8 years and have only written 11 posts worthy of a 'thanks' just goes to show that virtually all of what you have to say is total garbage.

Flickdreams
11-17-2014, 02:06 AM
^ hahhahahahhahah. I'm leaving this thread because I'm not being paid to talk to these customers... and somehow it feels like I should be....http://emptystress.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/fucking-bored.gif

Hopper
11-17-2014, 05:58 AM
Coming on a dancer site to boast about how you've figured out how to get high mileage at low costs is absolutely cringe-worthy.

That's not what he said. He said "more bang for his buck". What SC customer doesn't prefer a stripper who is more fun, for the same price, than another dancer? That's completely different to paying less or getting extras.


Also this site is not for you or any customer. It's for us dancers, and is not a crash course in how to be a better SC 'consumer'- ick, BTW.

Dancers here routinely do lecture customers about how to be a better customers. You are right, dancers here don't tell customers how to get extras, so why would gameover be bragging about learning that here?


The only dancers who would give you more 'bang for your buck' are either A) brand-new barely legal girls or B) easily manipulated or otherwise extremely desperate girls. Both of which makes you a predator; and just an all-around gross human being.

Do you even know what the expression "bang for your buck" means? It means getting better service for your money.


The fact that you've been trolling this site for 8 years and have only written 11 posts worthy of a 'thanks' just goes to show that virtually all of what you have to say is total garbage.

That would put him in good company here.

rickdugan
11-17-2014, 06:31 AM
Hopper, I read his "bang for the buck" comment the same way that she did. Now none of us are mind readers and only he knows what he truly meant, but it did come across as a mileage comment. If he wanted it to read differently then he should have worded it differently.

Oh, and you really don't have to respond to every venting comment posted in here by a dancer. This is a dancer support site after all and, IMHO, it is sometimes best for us to just let it roll past. If gameover wishes to clarify what he meant by that comment, it might be best to let him do it rather than responding to a vent for the simple sake of pushing back. Anyway, just a thought. ;)

Hopper
11-17-2014, 07:01 AM
Hopper, I read his "bang for the buck" comment the same way that she did. Now none of us are mind readers and only he knows what he truly meant, but it did come across as a mileage comment. If he wanted it to read differently then he should have worded it differently.

To me it was worded differently to how it "came across".


Oh, and you really don't have to respond to every venting comment posted in here by a dancer. This is a dancer support site after all and, IMHO, it is sometimes best for us to just let it roll past. If gameover wishes to clarify what he meant by that comment, it might be best to let him do it rather than responding to a vent for the simple sake of pushing back. Anyway, just a thought. ;)

He did clarify, a number of times. Unjustly accusing someone of being a "predator" is just vile. Venting is one thing, persistently attacking another poster is another. Anyway, I'm not stopping her from "venting". If anything, I'm giving her an excuse to do it more.

rickdugan
11-17-2014, 02:29 PM
He did clarify, a number of times. Unjustly accusing someone of being a "predator" is just vile. Venting is one thing, persistently attacking another poster is another. Anyway, I'm not stopping her from "venting". If anything, I'm giving her an excuse to do it more.

So you want to further antagonize a girl who is obviously frustrated and, as she describes in her Location, "In a Lonely Place?" On her own support site? Not cool dude. /:O

Yes, she might have gone a bit over the top, but the "bang for the buck" comment was a bit provocative given where we are posting.

On a conceptual level Hopper, middle aged men who visit clubs and this site purely for entertainment should simply not be getting as worked up in these conversations as the young ladies who work these jobs, deal with all of this crap all the time in order to pay their bills, and then come here for support. Now you can carry yourself any way you want I suppose, but I tend to like to take the high road when I post here, for all of the reasons discussed above.

Anyway, I'm going to bail out of this thread now.

SDJames
11-17-2014, 04:38 PM
Just discovered this site. It's an interesting peek behind the curtain. No shock that dancers are in it for the money. Some posters clearly hate their clients, but the same is true of car salesmen.

The best strippers sell a fantasy. I know Star Wars isn't real but I love it. No reason strippers should be different.

gameover
11-17-2014, 10:21 PM
I didn't realize bang for the buck would be interpreted so negatively. I just meant it to mean understanding some of the tricks used, as per hustle hut, and not spending my strip club dollars foolishly. As I've mentioned, I don't pursue extras ITC. I've been offered them a number of times, but always turn them down. I have seen select dancers OTC, but never any that offered extras ITC.

gameover
11-17-2014, 10:25 PM
Hopper, I read his "bang for the buck" comment the same way that she did. Now none of us are mind readers and only he knows what he truly meant, but it did come across as a mileage comment. If he wanted it to read differently then he should have worded it differently.

Oh, and you really don't have to respond to every venting comment posted in here by a dancer. This is a dancer support site after all and, IMHO, it is sometimes best for us to just let it roll past. If gameover wishes to clarify what he meant by that comment, it might be best to let him do it rather than responding to a vent for the simple sake of pushing back. Anyway, just a thought. ;)

Rick, I'm sure you have good intentions with posts like these, but frankly, they sometimes come across as pandering.

Hopper
11-17-2014, 10:55 PM
So you want to further antagonize a girl who is obviously frustrated and, as she describes in her Location, "In a Lonely Place?" On her own support site? Not cool dude. /:O

My point there was, if she wants to vent, I'm not stopping her from doing that, and it does seem she likes to make up excuses to do it. Whatever she is frustrated about, I hope it's something worse than a customer using the term "bang for my buck".


Yes, she might have gone a bit over the top, but the "bang for the buck" comment was a bit provocative given where we are posting.

We are posting on a stripper site. If there is any industry which gives customers a "bang", it's strip clubs (and I don't mean extras), so it seems a very appropriate phrase to use here. It in no way implies extras, though it could be used to refer to that as well. In any case, she was abusing gameover long after he had clarified that he was not using it to mean extras, and the context he originally used it in did not indicate that he meant extras.


On a conceptual level Hopper, middle aged men who visit clubs and this site purely for entertainment should simply not be getting as worked up in these conversations as the young ladies who work these jobs, deal with all of this crap all the time in order to pay their bills, and then come here for support. Now you can carry yourself any way you want I suppose, but I tend to like to take the high road when I post here, for all of the reasons discussed above.

I was very unjustly called a "predator" here some time ago. The dancer who did that kept bringing it back up in other threads for months afterward. I challenged her, since other readers might assume that she had reason to call me that. Some dancer comments I could ignore, but allowing one of them to influence others to believe I am a predator would not be taking the high road.

rickdugan
11-17-2014, 11:21 PM
Rick, I'm sure you have good intentions with posts like these, but frankly, they sometimes come across as pandering.

I'm simply a 44 year old guy who doesn't feel the need to lose his composure when (generally) 20-something year old dancers need to vent on their own support site. Frankly I've never understood the subset of guys on this board or the customer boards, my age and much older and who should know the score, who nonetheless get defensive or emotional when some young dancer melts down over some work related concept. IMO these guys just need to man up already.

And fwiw, I take this same attitude into the clubs with me. I don't get fazed by much that happens in the clubs because I understand my relative position in all of this. I'm in 40+ clubs a year spread out all over the country and I can't count how many silly things I hear and see in any given year. If I lost my mind every time some dancer said something bitter or obnoxious, or had a meltdown, or tried to run a bad hustle, or [insert one of many other options here], I just wouldn't find what I do all that entertaining.

Now I'm not trying to tell any guy how to handle themselves here or ITC, but I have to question how some guys must behave in the clubs when they can't even control their emotions in a place like this.

KikiGem
11-17-2014, 11:46 PM
I wasn't going to reply to this thread anymore but since the argument mentions me quite a bit even after the fact I feel I ought to.

I got defensive + annoyed at the 'bang for the buck' comment b/c I just pictured it very negatively. I've already gotten into why. I'm not making up excuses to vent. Obviously I saw something seriously off in the comment or else I wouldn't have said anything.
I think it was definitely intended to piss off the dancers at the very least... in which case I encouraged a 'troll' comment. Either way, I suppose it really doesnt' matter that much.

Hopper
11-18-2014, 04:29 AM
I'm simply a 44 year old guy who doesn't feel the need to lose his composure when (generally) 20-something year old dancers need to vent on their own support site. Frankly I've never understood the subset of guys on this board or the customer boards, my age and much older and who should know the score, who nonetheless get defensive or emotional when some young dancer melts down over some work related concept. IMO these guys just need to man up already.

I treat these threads as discussions, like any on other discussion board. I can't tell whether someone is venting or just posting senseless or unkind comments. People post senseless and unkind comments on all discussion boards.


And fwiw, I take this same attitude into the clubs with me. I don't get fazed by much that happens in the clubs because I understand my relative position in all of this. I'm in 40+ clubs a year spread out all over the country and I can't count how many silly things I hear and see in any given year. If I lost my mind every time some dancer said something bitter or obnoxious, or had a meltdown, or tried to run a bad hustle, or [insert one of many other options here], I just wouldn't find what I do all that entertaining.

In clubs I never engage with problem dancers. I simply ignore them and wait for them to leave. A club is a different environment to a website. I'm not there to discuss issues, I'm there to be entertained.


Now I'm not trying to tell any guy how to handle themselves here or ITC, but I have to question how some guys must behave in the clubs when they can't even control their emotions in a place like this.

If dancers behave at their clubs how they behave here, i.e. indiscriminately vent on customers, then what must it be like for their customers?


I wasn't going to reply to this thread anymore but since the argument mentions me quite a bit even after the fact I feel I ought to.

I got defensive + annoyed at the 'bang for the buck' comment b/c I just pictured it very negatively. I've already gotten into why. I'm not making up excuses to vent. Obviously I saw something seriously off in the comment or else I wouldn't have said anything.
I think it was definitely intended to piss off the dancers at the very least... in which case I encouraged a 'troll' comment. Either way, I suppose it really doesnt' matter that much.

Strippers take great pride in how much bang they provide for their customers, since that's what keeps the bucks coming.

rickdugan
11-18-2014, 07:59 AM
I treat these threads as discussions, like any on other discussion board. I can't tell whether someone is venting or just posting senseless or unkind comments. People post senseless and unkind comments on all discussion boards.

This is not any other discussion board, it is an adult entertainer support site. Why does this distinction continue to escape you?


In clubs I never engage with problem dancers. I simply ignore them and wait for them to leave. A club is a different environment to a website. I'm not there to discuss issues, I'm there to be entertained.

Then discuss away, but spare us the emotional melodramatic moments already ("vile", "attack", "abuse", etc., lol), along with the cluster posting. I've noticed, over time on here, that these behaviors from male posters tend to make dancers less likely to continue posting in CC threads, I'm guessing because they already deal with enough drama from whiny men ITC and don't wish to repeat it on their own support site.


If dancers behave at their clubs how they behave here, i.e. indiscriminately vent on customers, then what must it be like for their customers?

They are venting on their own support site. Man up already and stop letting it bother you so much.


Strippers take great pride in how much bang they provide for their customers, since that's what keeps the bucks coming.

WTF are you talking about?

SweetJulia
11-18-2014, 09:26 AM
^Strippers don't take pride in providing bang for the buck, it's more like the least bang for as many bucks as possible.

Aniela
11-18-2014, 09:42 AM
Actual dancers don't provide 'bang'. You must have us confused w/ the prostitutes who like to pretend they're dancers.

SweetJulia
11-18-2014, 12:59 PM
^I meant work, not sex acts, sorry for the misunderstanding. I was just trying to use "bang" as an act so the poster who started it could see how bad it looks in print.

Aniela
11-18-2014, 01:15 PM
^I meant work, not sex acts, sorry for the misunderstanding. I was just trying to use "bang" as an act so the poster who started it could see how bad it looks in print.

Sry, my comment just above was directed at Hopper.

gameover
11-18-2014, 03:31 PM
I amazed this slang is such a hot button for you. From the freedictionary.com site.

bang for the buck - value in exchange for money or effort.

Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar.

Hopper
11-19-2014, 07:02 AM
This is not any other discussion board, it is an adult entertainer support site. Why does this distinction continue to escape you?

But it is a discussion board, right? Just because this is a support site I'm supposed to humor dancers every time they say something I disagree with? What kind of discussion is that?


Then discuss away, but spare us the emotional melodramatic moments already ("vile", "attack", "abuse", etc., lol), along with the cluster posting.

I'm not being melodramatic, labeling someone a "predator" really is a vile attack. I'm not even angry about it, I'm just saying.


I've noticed, over time on here, that these behaviors from male posters tend to make dancers less likely to continue posting in CC threads, I'm guessing because they already deal with enough drama from whiny men ITC and don't wish to repeat it on their own support site.


I don't whine here or ITC. It's the dancers who are creating the drama when they harass customers during discussion and the customers' "behavior" is in response to that. If my behavior discourages those kinds of comments from dancers it's a good thing for me.


They are venting on their own support site. Man up already and stop letting it bother you so much.


The only thing bothering me is having to say everything more than once and think of a different way to say it each time.


^Strippers don't take pride in providing bang for the buck, it's more like the least bang for as many bucks as possible.

Business doesn't work like that. Yes dancers want the most money for the least work, everyone does, but customers what the most service for the least money and the dancer is competing with other dancers for customers' money, so to get the most customers, and to get the most money from those customers, you have to provide the best service you can.


Actual dancers don't provide 'bang'. You must have us confused w/ the prostitutes who like to pretend they're dancers.

Different kind of "bang". "Bang for your buck" is a general expression which applies to any kind of service in any kind of industry. It's nothing to do with sex.

KikiGem
11-19-2014, 08:17 AM
^ This is just getting a little silly. You are indeed being melodramatic and dragging out this argument by repeating the same thing over and over. There is seriously nothing left to say. "It's the dancers who are creating drama.." please grow a pair...

Why are arguing with dancers over our own business? And what do you even have in mind when you say we "have to put on the best show we can"? That's what most of us already do, what more do you expect? I'm really curious because it sounds like you are the type of guy who probably says this a LOT: "Girl, you gotta work for this dollar!"

SweetJulia
11-19-2014, 08:22 AM
No offense, but you sound like a customer I'd avoid.

ava$
11-19-2014, 08:35 AM
Customers need to hear what we have to say so they don't keep coming to us with all the stupid shit we complain about. If you see us repeatedly laughing at the loser things freeloaders, etc say to us maybe you will realize what to do in order to actually get us. I actually think any customer reading this site could learn a lot about what it really takes to satisfy us in order for us to satisfy you. win win

Aniela
11-19-2014, 09:52 AM
Hopper, none of the girls here are idiots who don't understand the outside-the-SC meaning of 'bang for the buck'. I realise we're strippers, but come on. You really need to get over yourself there. You're talking abt 'bang for the buck' in the context of SC activites -- I'm surprised you can't see why that expression & all of its implications would be so upsetting to clean dancers.

gameover
11-19-2014, 10:06 AM
I understand, in hindsight, how bang for the buck might be interpreted differently in this context. However, it was not my intention to imply that. My apologies for any misunderstanding.

ava$
11-19-2014, 10:14 AM
^^EXACTLY! TF is wrong w this guy?
OH and when he said this:
Business doesn't work like that. Yes dancers want the most money for the least work, everyone does, but customers what the most service for the least money and the dancer is competing with other dancers for customers' money, so to get the most customers, and to get the most money from those customers, you have to provide the best service you can.

First of all, this statement shows me what low quality you are clearly forced to go after cause w this kind of attitude thats all you'll get is low quality and low quality may cost you more in the long run for many reasons i don't care to go into right now, you'll figure it out tho. YOu feel like us as dancers are just thirsty for any lil dime we can make, sure there may be some like that but I for one am not and am tired of having to deal w lames like you who feel like just cause I am in a sc I feel the same as say some ugly or low self esteem girls may about $$. I expect you to compete for me and my attention, I don't need your little $$ honestly I have men begging to spend it on me and lots of it. I choose who I want to give it to me and if I don't like your attitude and your being cheap I will walk right past you and youve only wasted a few minutes of my time. I won't sugar coat it for you and don't care, actually, I hope I never see someone like that again, please believe insulting offers won't be missed. If I were a man it wouldn't be about the quantity of my sc $ but the quality, you get what u pay for in EVERY situation.

ava$
11-19-2014, 10:15 AM
^^EXACTLY! TF is wrong w this guy?
OH and when he said this:
Business doesn't work like that. Yes dancers want the most money for the least work, everyone does, but customers what the most service for the least money and the dancer is competing with other dancers for customers' money, so to get the most customers, and to get the most money from those customers, you have to provide the best service you can.

First of all, this statement shows me what low quality you are clearly forced to go after cause w this kind of attitude thats all you'll get is low quality and low quality may cost you more in the long run for many reasons i don't care to go into right now, you'll figure it out tho. YOu feel like us as dancers are just thirsty for any lil dime we can make, sure there may be some like that but I for one am not and am tired of having to deal w lames like you who feel like just cause I am in a sc I feel the same as say some ugly or low self esteem girls may about $$. I expect you to compete for me and my attention, I don't need your little $$ honestly I have men begging to spend it on me and lots of it. I choose who I want to give it to me and if I don't like your attitude and your being cheap I will walk right past you and youve only wasted a few minutes of my time. I won't sugar coat it for you and don't care, actually, I hope I never see someone like that again, please believe insulting offers won't be missed. If I were a man it wouldn't be about the quantity of my sc $ but the quality, you get what u pay for in EVERY situation.

ava$
11-19-2014, 10:15 AM
I ment to say "this" to aniela.

Vyanka
11-19-2014, 10:24 AM
"Bang for your buck" aka being cheap as fuck. Lol. Def customers I avoid and not the majority I run into anyway(thank God). Lol.

unbeleavable
11-19-2014, 07:51 PM
I think the OP's thread has been answered & is going off course. This isn't a place to argue about the economics of the club.