View Full Version : Cam girl intuition: Spotting the guys who won't pay
BadBitch
11-08-2015, 08:41 PM
Thanks, ladies!
DeepThoughts
11-09-2015, 10:59 AM
I haven't been in this thread in a while but honestly, I think that's the beauty of sales. You never know who's going to pay, and who isn't. I've noticed over the years that it depends on a few factors but the most important factor is you and your sales pitch/delivery. You can't just assume that because a guy has money that he's going to pay you. Just like you cannot decide if someone who is broke won't add credits, or come back and play later.
I had one custie who used to sit in my room for hours, no tipping, no pvts. I then made it clear to the room that as much as I liked hanging out with them for free, I was here to work. Within that same day he ended up being one of my biggest spenders/virtual sugar daddies. Had I not opened my mouth, I never would've gotten paid. This guy showed $0.00 credits on his account but ended up shelling $30k over to me over the next 6 months.
My other concern is that just because a man has money doesn't mean he's going to spend any on you. If any of you work for cams.com or ALLBBWC you know that you're able to see the amount someone has in their accounts. I've had days where I've flirted and pitched my way into getting shows from guys who've had hundreds in their accounts and they never did buy a show. And yet we've had customers on SM where you cannot see their amounts and it's a hit or miss. My point is, you have to make sure you do what you can to sell your ass off. You never know their next move (which I find exciting) as it's like a game of seduction, win, lose, or draw. If we coax a guy into a sale it's a victory and our skill gets better. If we focus on spotting them, we lose because you never really know who's willing to part with it or not.
All This^^^ I also like to think of chatting terms of an improvisation acting class. The key to good improv is to always respond in the positive and say yes to everything. Now obviously if someone asks me if I have a dog or a kid I just block them but for the rest of the "Show me, What is, When was, How do," guys that come in everyday I always try to think of open answers that do not close down the conversation. An example would be something like
Client "What is the biggest cock you have ever taken?"
me "Yours!"
Client "Do you like black cock?"
me "Is it attached to a black man?"
Using open responses with the clients is a great way to get them talking and then most will either take you into paid when you ask or actually admit that they dont have the money so I know I can move on!
Melyssax
06-01-2016, 10:37 PM
The "what brings you here tonight"? guys. If they don't know, then they are at the wrong place. These guys NEVER spend money and they are hoping you are logged in because you are lonely. When I say I'm there to make money they say "oh too bad" and piss off. Now I tell these guys to fuck off when they ask such stupid questions. Oh, then there's the compliments guys who spam compliment after compliment in your room. It feels like they are trying to over compensate for not having any money and they want my time and hope I will do stuff for them in free chat. The only way to get them to shut the fuck up is to tell them that a tip is the highest compliment, where they leave shortly after.
THISSSSSSsssss.... Especially with the over saturated compliments like it's some magical gold willy wonka meal ticket..
Melyssax
06-01-2016, 10:50 PM
If a guy asks if you take coupons or tries to enter a coupon code,hes not gonna pay
If he asks for a veterans discount,says hes a soldier and asks if youd like to serve your country or states its his birthday,hes not gonna pay
If a guy tries to get you to shit,fart or piss in free,hes not going to pay
If they send you a pic of their junk or give you their phone number or skype name in free,theyre probly not going private either (unless theyve spent money on you already-then that usually means hes either run/running out of money or is starting to like you waaaaay too much and you may need to order bear strength mase just in case)
If they tell you they work on your site too and just want to be friends and share stories and advice,they arent going private either
If he asks in free if youll get naked as soon as he takes you private or if he takes you private and then screams "get naked!pound pussy!pound ass! double penetration now! hurry bb hurry! hurry! HURRYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! then hes not gonna pay a dime either,unless he accidentally hits 31 sec
lol this is fun! i could keep going...and going...and going...
***inserts crying emoji*** wth? Never had that one
KPTfiend
06-01-2016, 11:08 PM
Yeahhhh....I'm still learning this stuff for sure. Thank you all for sharing your tips and tricks!
I had this guy say he'd pay 200 tokens (5 dollars) for my offered 7 mins in heaven private....get him in private and he says he'll tip the tokens halfway into show *smh* luckily didn't waste much time on him but I can't believe these guys think ladies are that fking dumb.
Not cool. especialy when Im offering such a cheap deal (and yes I am going to raise prices once I get on a worth while site- not trying to undercut the market just getting practice in)
xCamLovex
06-02-2016, 12:13 AM
if a customer asks me for anything...to get anything...to try anything on without just tipping my X minimum amount in my topic first, I assume he will not pay and I will have to roast him like a marshmallow on an open flame.
BBs, you have 3 minutes to get it right my room lately. Stop acting like its 1990s and the internet was just invented. We see through you ok? Opening lines like...I'm new here. Seriously, are you that lame that you need a model to congratulate you? Grow the fuck up.
If a bb asks me to do anything that pertains to his needs and not mine in my room and asks for more, is a sign he won't pay. the "can i see" "can you get" "can you stand"
Men really need to get a grip. Realize cam models provide an entire experience and pay for our own internet, hardware, software, costumes, outfits, toys, accessories, so no we can't show it for free or give a deal. Nor should we have to. Oh yeah and talking about your "huge cock" is not my mortgage payment so that won't get you free boobs either.
You have to laugh and marvel at the persistence to get free stuff.
You want free stuff bbs? Go to Costco. There, you can sample all the hot pockets you desire and boss the lady around in the hairnet for seconds and thirds, you bastards.
I just basically want to put it out there that cam models are gracious beings most of the time and we don't want to express how lame you guys really are for constantly trying to trick us out of our own bodies. Hello! We see you. You aren't slick.
45090
Common son.
Dorothea
06-02-2016, 01:49 AM
- a lot of romantic compliments ( "you are so out of this world beautiful")
- right at hello insults ("fucking cunt")
- mentioning his family ("went shopping with my son today")
-glitter giant emoticans
Rena83
06-02-2016, 07:55 AM
Being a PSO I don't talk about anything that could get a wanker off for free. I don't describe my toys, I don't tell them what my body or feet or panties or etc look like. Don't talk about sex at all. Don't tell how I like sex, when was the last time I got laid, etc. as far as they ever know I'm single and I don't have kids or a boyfriend. And that's as far as I go to answer those questions. I take their questions right into "so
What are you looking for tonight? Want to have some fun with me in Pvt?" They get the point I'm not hooking up.
Also, can I send you a pic of my dick? "Well I suppose you can, who can stop you. But don't expect me to respond unless you tip me or go Pvt".
I say hi, a/s/l, what are you doing? What are you looking for? I only tell my age, my "location" and if they ask what I do on cam I refer to my profile. If they want me to stand up I say "I stand in exclusive" if they ask if I have toys, yes I do. If they ask what kind I say, "all kinds, lets go Pvt and I'll show you". I do fetish. Some ask if I have strapons. I say yes, I have strapons. They might ask if I do joi or cei. I say yes and then tell them I have many fetishes listed on profile. Put up a pic of feet, a pic of ass, a pic of your body. So when they say "what does your ass look like" or "let's see your body" you can say, well I have photos of all that on my profile, and I would love to show you in person in private.
I kick anybody who doesn't talk for 5 minutes. I say "so and so, you aren't talking, you must talk to me or I kick you out. I don't let you sit in my room for free for long. But if you go private or exclusive then you can park your ass as long as you want after that."
I'm a bitch. In real life and on cam. Fuck the time wasters I'm
There to have money. Want to pay and get off, I'll treat you nicely. Also, there's many who will come back. If they talk for a while and don't ask me trigger questions I keep them in and use them to make my room seem livelier. It gives the illusion I'm popular. And men want popular pussy. So either you pay me, or I find a way to use you to make me money. If not, I spend no more time than a simple hi, how are you. What happens after my initial greeting is their choice. I also use a little psychology on them. Nobody can see who I'm talking to, so I'll talk to nobody to give the illusion I'm busy. Also, I'll say that I'm tired and going to bed if I have a couple possible time
Wasters but they are talking. It works well enough that some go private. If not, nothing lost.
I bounced around between second and third person. I do that a lot.
I am dominant, I advertise for fetish freaks. I advertise for bi men. This attitude of "you will pay if you want me" draws what I want and am well versed in. In a vanilla cam situation bein this stringent might not work. Flirty open ended answers like a previous poster likely will.
I also don't turn down a Pvt. If a person asks if I do anal, I respond in typing and type their name, then "yes I do that on exclusive". I don't, really. And then I take 10-15 minutes working them up and run their money out and don't do the anal. I do anything, so they think. People may think it's mean or unfair but it's a business, it's my hustle, they don't complain and it's not like strippers don't ever fluff up lines to make money. Guys who want me to do anal on them are my market. The guys who ask me for anal myself aren't going to be a customer that likes me or returns to me, ever. So I get one hustle out of them and send them off.
Rena83
06-02-2016, 08:15 AM
Funny you should say that, I was only asking my bf about that one the other night, he said its because they feel like they are being rude if they just leave so its something to say. He sometimes checks out other ladies rooms, when he leaves he always thanks them for their time, oh and he knows not to take up time and attention when they are busy with the hustle.
I entertain the idea they need credits by saying "ok, but I may not be here when you get back. Lots of guys take me Pvt". I do the same with my PSO clients. One message back is al they get. If they respond I respond with, I'm
Very busy, if you want time with me you should connect as not going to be a available. And I'm not, really.
sovereignv
06-16-2016, 06:50 AM
Yeahhhh....I'm still learning this stuff for sure. Thank you all for sharing your tips and tricks!
I had this guy say he'd pay 200 tokens (5 dollars) for my offered 7 mins in heaven private....get him in private and he says he'll tip the tokens halfway into show *smh* luckily didn't waste much time on him but I can't believe these guys think ladies are that fking dumb.
Not cool. especialy when Im offering such a cheap deal (and yes I am going to raise prices once I get on a worth while site- not trying to undercut the market just getting practice in)
Hey, you need to charge decent money for your practice, you deserve it. These guys are getting off so don't undercut yourself!! There's no magical Camgirl Skill Achievement where you can suddenly charge full price, your services are worth it and someone will be willing to pay it and you'll be making money all the while.
Rena83
06-17-2016, 05:27 AM
They either pay me to go Pvt in about 2 minutes of coming in or don't. If they don't then I stop talking to them and talk to the other people who just arrived. If they squat more than two minutes they are not paying. They are welcom to favorite me but if they stay any longer I boot them. I make it very clear in my room. Pay.... Or leave. Now if they have ever been Pvt before I'll let them sit as long as they want. I usually ask what brings you out tonight if they don't tell me first. If it's some shit about being bored or looking for fun I don't even respond.
I'm not making money off them and if I boot them then what do I care? I'm sure not sitting there for their entertainment and chatting with them about their day for free. I'm not their friend. And I'm definitely not their girlfriend.
Susperia
06-18-2016, 01:22 PM
Ok in my recent experiences
any guy who asks what I offer in PVT never goes PVT. And I offer stripping and dildo fucking in there and then some.....
Guys with MONEY in their name will never tip or take you pvt either. Seems like their name should be brokefucker.....they just want you to think they have money.
Most guys who say they are into FinDom will never take you pvt either, they just want to hear what you'll do in free chat
The guys who come in and start talking dirty or telling you dirty stories especially when you didn't ask to hear them or don't respond to them, they will never go pvt.
Bristol
06-18-2016, 08:48 PM
I have one that tips 1 token occasionally and acts like he's a big tipper. He spends a ton of time trying to talk to me in the room but I mostly ignore him because I don't think I get more than 3 to 5 tokens from him all night (which is pennies). What do you do with those?
LoraDoll
06-19-2016, 05:00 PM
On Jasmin in my experience:
the guys who talk in free chat. Except regulars. It's That simple.
- who come and complain. Ask for anything. Any question they ask, most of the time is bullshit. They just want to jerk for free.
- the ones who start like: " oh how beautyfull etc"
- "Hru" -> most of the time means that: i m bored and broke, I m here to get attention ANYHOW, BY ANYONE.
Somehow in my room they talk or they pay. The more a stranger talk the less he willing to pay.
User name like "maserati" or "armani" - any high brand, cars, money in their name, or "hugedick" (anything banal in the name) for example lol. They are all broke, mean motherfuckers.
Rena83
06-20-2016, 06:51 AM
There's so many variables. If they want to pay they will take you private in a minute, two tops. They will ask specifically what you do/ if you have what they are looking for and then go Pvt. There is a hustle.
It's not a cam girl sixth sense it's a bullshit sixth sense. I can tell you when a man is bullshitting me anywhere anytime. That's what you need. And you need to be assertive and set boundaries. Pay.... Or leave. Only options. If they throw a fit on their way out.... Good. Enjoy that scene. I leave my room chat open to the public so I can publicly humiliate them as an advertisement for the slaves, sissies and "paying"
Losers to get an idea of my humiliatrix powers.
Rena83
06-20-2016, 06:55 AM
In my experience femdom guys are a solid. But that's what I advertise for. The rest, yes. "I have a big dick" or "I would love to fuck you" I literally pretend I don't even see them and make them sit there trying to get my attention until a minute goes by and I say "random name, if you plan to sit in my room and talk to me about sex, tip. If not, gtfo you are wasting space." You will never get a private from them so no reason to waste a hustle.
"Fuck you bitch you won't do well with that attitude". And you won't ever see my tits for free with your broke ass either. They somehow miss my entire profile and or don't connect that if I have a pic of me flipping off the cam, talking about making pathetic losers clean my asshole and a strapon on that I'm also not going to be nice to them and give them free shit. They are just idiots.
And also being in new girl category I think a lot come in thinking I'm ignorant and don't know that I just had to make a new profile. And that's amusing as well.
HoneyMachado
06-25-2018, 02:02 PM
anyone promising future shows and listing the time
Miss_ShaSha
05-12-2019, 02:57 PM
I do have to agree that it's truly impossible to pinpoint who will or won't spend on me, however it's been clear up til now (about 5 months of full time camming) that any man's first message being:
"Show feet"
"Stand"
"Let me see those tits"
will not buy a show and I'm quite polite about the GOLD tip required to indulge such things.
Ginnyyy
05-13-2019, 09:56 AM
Cool topic, glad you bumped it, Sha. Just added it in my bookmarks to check it all, though I ve seen guys begging for days in a row or freeloading in silence for months and still buying a show so in the end, you never know.
Miss_ShaSha
05-13-2019, 01:42 PM
^^Right. I think KK said it best:
"it depends on a few factors but the most important factor is you and your sales pitch/delivery. You can't just assume that because a guy has money that he's going to pay you. (And vice versa)."
Case in point: a guy asking a fetish question in free chat for personal advice could have been viewed as a time waster. I used a private sales pitch which resulted in a show.
You just never know.
sexysusie
05-13-2019, 04:51 PM
Any guy who only says 'hi'
Any guy who says 'love to fuck you/show feet/ show ass/ twirl/ stand'
Any guy who comes back into my free chat after it boots them (i have it set so they only get 5 mins)
In my experience the guys who are going to spend on you come prepared (or go get prepared as soon as they see you) and go straight into paid. They might ask questions like do you have x, y, z, or will you do x roleplay, or will you be online at x oclock etc. Those are buying signals and show genuine interest.
I have zero patience for guys who arent spending right away. For any i might lose by being this way, there will always be another guy along soon so no skin off my nose. If a guy takes up 5 mins/10 mins/however long of my time in 'hustle' then he isn't worth it and i can be making money on someone else in that time.
Marina Starr
05-13-2019, 04:58 PM
I'm the same way. #thickhighs #thinpatience
http://i64.tinypic.com/rj2hkp.gif
I have zero patience for guys who arent spending right away. For any i might lose by being this way, there will always be another guy along soon so no skin off my nose.
Ladybuggie
05-14-2019, 03:30 AM
Some of they still surprise me by actually becoming paying customers, but after almost 3 years of camming I can smell them a mile away. It's like a sixth sense. Anyone who starts dirty talking on free chat, anyone who asks to see things for free straight away, and even the "oh you're so beautiful, oh you're unreal!" guys that do this more than for a couple minutes, I just know are timewasters.
Oh yeah, also, the guys that have nicknames like "bigspender86" or "bigtipper" or stuff like that. Those never fail
Ladybuggie
05-14-2019, 08:55 AM
I also got this sort of "timewaster test", that I use when I get privates, which is that I will not get fully naked until 2 whole minutes pass under any circumstance. Most of the scum guys will leave before that and they won't get to see dat sweet hairy puss. Sorrynotsorry, dickheads. I know some girls manage to stretch it longer but 2 minutes seems to work for me, and it makes me feel like I'm not wasing my time and giving away freebies.
Panthera
05-14-2019, 10:30 AM
Some of they still surprise me by actually becoming paying customers, but after almost 3 years of camming I can smell them a mile away. It's like a sixth sense. Anyone who starts dirty talking on free chat, anyone who asks to see things for free straight away, and even the "oh you're so beautiful, oh you're unreal!" guys that do this more than for a couple minutes, I just know are timewasters.
Oh yeah, also, the guys that have nicknames like "bigspender86" or "bigtipper" or stuff like that. Those never fail
THAT! 17 years of camming here. I block the timewasters after less than 2 minutes in free chat, usually. At least that skill I mastered. I do. really. smell them. Also, I can recognize the pushy and desperate 2 minute (or less)-men , I smell them from free chat, and I tell them they need to relax so we can both enjoy or come some other time when they have more "time". I really mean more money, of course. Also, anyone that doesn't say "Hello" when entering private chat, and starts with the requests, gets booted. They won't stay for long anyways and getting stressed because of them is not worth the spare change I'd be getting from them anyways.
Holly_xoxo
05-30-2019, 11:07 AM
For me personally the guys that never go pvt are the :
1) you like younger guys/young cock
Ugh...I have quite a few younger guys that go pvt with me and none said their ages or asked that in free. It was just something found out during pvt.
2) the ones that call me Miss/Mistress/Goddess in free chat never have gone pvt. They want me to refer and treat them as sub for free and when I do the usual "hey how's it going? what you up to today?" they leave
3) guys with daddy in their name. I look like my profile pic and my age is stated on there so I'm not sure why they leave so quickly after coming in to my room. Only a few even say hi.
4) the ones that gush compliments right away and don't stop with them
Miss_ShaSha
05-30-2019, 12:31 PM
^^The "you like young cock?" question almost always comes from a member who doesn't buy a show.
My response to that question is "I'll be happy to entertain your questions in private" then they leave.
I'm not rude & smile afterwards, but they never buy.
It's just so ridiculous really.
Marina Starr
05-30-2019, 12:40 PM
When they are ridiculous I usually report them to SM as underage so their account can get closed but I'm a petty hoe ;D
^^The "you like young cock?" question almost always comes from a member who doesn't buy a show.
My response to that question is "I'll be happy to entertain your questions in private" then they leave.
I'm not rude & smile afterwards, but they never buy.
It's just so ridiculous really.
Holly_xoxo
05-30-2019, 12:52 PM
^^The "you like young cock?" question almost always comes from a member who doesn't buy a show.
My response to that question is "I'll be happy to entertain your questions in private" then they leave.
I'm not rude & smile afterwards, but they never buy.
It's just so ridiculous really.
Your response is much more polite than mine. I usually go with " depends on the guy it's attached to. Being younger isn't a talent, are you aware of that?" Lol I say it in a joking manner though. I'm not all ...grrrr and attacking them.
I just like seeing the lame response they give to that.
Charlotteslut
05-30-2019, 12:56 PM
I always assume every guy will pay and treat them all the same. It's like playing dumb and assuming they will pay lol. if they start begging I suggest we continue this in a show. if they keep going: kick. if that doesn't work ban/ignore.
Miss_ShaSha
05-30-2019, 03:51 PM
^^ This is good business practice.
~Carmen~
05-30-2019, 03:57 PM
"What's your favorite roleplay?" They just want to hear you say something taboo. Not gonna happen. You can't pay me enough.
Miss_ShaSha
05-30-2019, 04:03 PM
Your response is much more polite than mine. I usually go with " depends on the guy it's attached to. Being younger isn't a talent, are you aware of that?" Lol I say it in a joking manner though. I'm not all ...grrrr and attacking them.
I just like seeing the lame response they give to that.
I used to say something similar which is conversational, but experience has taught me these men don't buy so I respond with "I'll indulge in private" which saves energy.
I've programmed myself to respond automatically now.
I'm not happy about that tho.
I feel robotic. But conversing with men who usually don't buy drains my energy. So now I nip behavior (or assumed behavior) in the bud.
anonamiss
05-30-2019, 04:27 PM
Your response is much more polite than mine. I usually go with " depends on the guy it's attached to. Being younger isn't a talent, are you aware of that?" Lol I say it in a joking manner though. I'm not all ...grrrr and attacking them.
I just like seeing the lame response they give to that.
I do this too, with both younger guys and guys who ask "so you like big dicks bb?” I'm totally honest with them and say things like "actually no, i prefer average dicks, but I'm open to any dick size if it's attached to a guy who has manners. If you can't even bother saying hello before telling me about your dick, you can kindly fuck right off, sir." Then I smile at the camera and wave as they inevitably leave. Haha.
Might sound harsh but I literally never take guys who ask blatant sexual questions first thing in the chat seriously. I actually like guys who politely small talk first. It's humanizing and weeds out some of the douchebags who just want to treat us like disposable sex dolls.
~Carmen~
05-30-2019, 05:04 PM
My bad on the above post. I added a "?" Most of those guys don't use punctuation.
Mal707
05-30-2019, 05:31 PM
"What's your favorite roleplay?" They just want to hear you say something taboo. Not gonna happen. You can't pay me enough.
I get asked that a lot and just respond with “whatever’s requested as long as it doesn’t break the site rules”. They get so bored with that and just leave lol Very few who ask that question ever go private
anonamiss
05-30-2019, 05:42 PM
"What's your favorite roleplay?" They just want to hear you say something taboo. Not gonna happen. You can't pay me enough.
I say "I'm not really into roleplay unless you give me a very specific scenario with a rough script. I'm not into generic roleplays and I'm not here to read your mind, so if you can't tell me exactly what you want it's not happening."
So many guys who want various roleplays give me zero direction with it, or switch gears halfway through into something totally unexpected. It gets awkward and uncomfortable super fast. So I generally only do RPs with guys who are clearly patient and articulate about a very specific kink/situation. My favorites are the guy who likes me to pretend to swim underwater and nearly drown before I come up for air and "orgasm", and the guy who likes to "hypnotise" me so I literally don't have to do anything but repeat his weird commands.
I'm into weird shit like that because it's fun and guys are usually very appreciative of your attempts. But I'm not into doctor/patient, student/teacher type of generic porn roleplay at all. And yeah, no taboo shit ever.
Miss_ShaSha
06-10-2019, 07:07 AM
I'm a Domme, it's spelled out in my listing intro below my bio pic. Legit: members who, upon first entering, bark an order....do not buy a show. I'll smile & politely refer them to my tip menu, but they leave as fast as they entered.
Marina Starr
06-10-2019, 10:09 AM
Guys that dangle private then deflect with 'where are you from?'
I'm from the internet. Really, Streamate is for virtual only as the disclaimer says do not share infos with models so why the fuck does it matter where I'm from?! They want to know where you're from hoping you live close so they can meet you, fuck you, use you. Even if we're neighbors why the fuck would I wanna fuck you?! The Delusional disorder is real and legit.
Shanda1836
06-17-2019, 06:39 PM
I actually had a guy who came back to my room 2 more times before I blocked him after he wanted me to get up so he could see my whole body. The first time I said, "BB, I do things like that for tips". Then he came back bitching that he couldn't take me private because I won't move, and he didn't understand how I was going to make any money. I wondered how many other models he's tried that on and it worked. After he came in bitching the third time, I blocked him. It seems to me, that most models are pretty savvy when it comes to bullshit.
MysteryGirl44
06-17-2019, 06:42 PM
It's simple: The guys who won't pay are the guys who don't pay. Guys who are serious don't troll or make things difficult. They just tip or go private. Being rude or trolling would be counterproductive to them.
whirlerz
06-18-2019, 06:19 PM
"What's your favorite roleplay?" They just want to hear you say something taboo. Not gonna happen. You can't pay me enough.
Can't.fucking.stand. this ?
Always about incest, gross AF