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BuffyFlame
02-26-2013, 02:15 AM
Thats a great idea!
But sadly, if they are going look down apon it that much, enough to evict her, i doubt they would belive her,
or would look at it any differently whether it was 2 times or 3000.

You defiantly have to be kind, I doubt this manager will be rude, I could be wrong, but she is also at work.
Just rearrange your furniture. Make it look like a party room if nothing els. (When i had my pole up, i told them i taught dance lessons. :P)
Not like a wild crazy party room though lol, just like a friend handout place. (Thats if you have the typical string lights and flashers most cam girls do).

Incantatious
02-26-2013, 02:32 AM
Okay, I don't really have any better advice than that which has already been given. But I am curious... - What did you tell them you did for a living when you were looking into renting? Any speak of online work or speak that alluded to yourself working from home? I and my partner both said to the estate agent of the property we are now renting, is that a big reason that we wish to move is because we rely on the internet for our work, and that better quality internet service was located in the property we chose!

And so, I'd claimed my profession as "Online Marketing" (kinda true! lol), and when I showed them my a copy of my tax return, my accountant put my business (my accountant knows I'm a camgirl) as "Web Services"... So.. I'm kinda assuming that my estate agent and landlord know full well that I work from home (that, combined with me telling the estate agent why I'm moving in the first place!), or they just weren't too bothered about looking into my work when they gave me the "okay" and the keys...

However, it is still part of the pre-written (that I have the biggest feeling in the world that no one gives a flying fuck-shit about, and so it's actually shocking when someone does agree with it and even know what it says...) that I am NOT to run a business from home! The only reason I assume anyone would be concerned about their tenants running a business from home, is for disturbance purposes. - Like for example, someone with a business buying and selling, and their street having big old trucks and vans pulling up day and night, causing a disturbance to the neighbors or something.

I know there are ladies here who are homeowners, have bought and taken to renting out their properties. - Any of you bunch care to shed some light on this? :) Why might you not want someone to run a business from home? x

GlamourRouge
02-26-2013, 02:40 AM
What did you tell them you did for a living when you were looking into renting? Any speak of online work or speak that alluded to yourself working from home?

I'd claimed my profession as "Online Marketing" (kinda true! lol), and when I showed them my a copy of my tax return, my accountant put my business (my accountant knows I'm a camgirl) as "Web Services"... So.. I'm kinda assuming that my estate agent and landlord know full well that I work from home (that, combined with me telling the estate agent why I'm moving in the first place!), or they just weren't too bothered about looking into my work when they gave me the "okay" and the keys... \

The only reason I assume anyone would be concerned about their tenants running a business from home, is for disturbance purposes

I have a feeling they are going to ask to OP to prove the occupation she put on her application. Hopefully she put something like online marketing or web services (those are good ones). That way they can't contest working from home without looking dumb (though they will still get their way in court).

Yes, the landlord would care about it for disturbance purposes. But if he thinks you're filming porn, that will be disturbance enough. Yes, people have sex, but for some reason, this is ~*different*~ because suddenly you're a ~*whore*~ who wants to fuck anything that moves. Lol our world.

Charnixxx
02-26-2013, 02:49 AM
Wow, I think you should hide all your lights, cameras and dildos, and if they ask abt the toys just say is it a crime for a single woman to own sex toys? Damn are they illegal. Of course try to be nice but I wouldn't admit to camming or anything. B/c people do consider it porn even though we don't like to admit it. I would say I do web design work or online marketing .. but never admit to camming or video producing!!!!! That's crazy I never knew they would discriminate like that & makes me want to be super careful abt where I move. I wish u the best & keep us updated ;)

Incantatious
02-26-2013, 04:08 AM
Yes, the landlord would care about it for disturbance purposes. But if he thinks you're filming porn, that will be disturbance enough. Yes, people have sex, but for some reason, this is ~*different*~ because suddenly you're a ~*whore*~ who wants to fuck anything that moves. Lol our world.

How sad and strange it is, that in many instances in our lives it is actually much easier, a few tons less problematic and less disruptive to your relationships and quality of life to claim that you're obsessed with masturbation or are a sex addict, than it is to tell the simple truth about your job...

TheBrownFox
02-26-2013, 05:14 AM
What a shitty situation. :(

As far as the "running a business from your home" thing...sheesh, it's not like you're running a freakin' factory with loud-ass machines in the middle of your living room. And really, you're in charge of an internet chatroom...nothing wrong with that. As long as you're not having scream-at-the-top-of-your-lungs orgasm, what's the harm? If someone happens to come across your sex toys, for all they know that could just be for your own PERSONAL time (everybody gets horny, right?).

I mean, what's next? Are they gonna tell you "Sorry, you're not allowed to please yourself to the point of orgasm in your home." Only married couples living here can have sex. SMH.

TheBrownFox
02-26-2013, 05:22 AM
How sad and strange it is, that in many instances in our lives it is actually much easier, a few tons less problematic and less disruptive to your relationships and quality of life to claim that you're obsessed with masturbation or are a sex addict, than it is to tell the simple truth about your job...


LOL! If I was ever in a situation where someone saw my toys sitting out, I'd probably just take the "Well, I'm a single woman, and I have needs" route. And then be like "And why were you snooping around in my bedroom anyway, Nancy Drew?" LMAO.

P.S. Regarding my Nancy Drew joke...I DO NOT recommend making a catty remark like that to the landlord though...lol. Since we're talking about a person who has the power to have you evicted, I agree with ThatBitch that you should just be nice enough to the landlord to make all this bullshit go away. You don't have to kiss ass, but just stay on their good side, and just avoid giving out "porn-y" information about your job. They don't need to know all the details.

annabellz
02-26-2013, 06:52 AM
Theres a lot going on here and Im a little hesitant to post because I think by now shes already spoken to them today. Also she wasnt really clear about what she said to them the first time, she never said what she told them when she moved in (if she had a vanilla job or she lied about her camming). I dont know if she cleaned up/altered her place.

So its just a lot of speculation and I hate posting speculation.

Re- tenancy laws and the maintenance guy entering like that. Sadly theres nothing she can really do if its a crappy place like she described. I know here on SW were all about r-e-s-p-e-c-t and our rights and not taking crap. But the reality is, in a situation like that- a crappy rental place and tenancy laws- Meh. Theres nothing she can do. Theyre suppose to notify her. The guy wasnt suppose to come in like that. They dont respect the rules. Theres nothing she can do but move to a place that does. To fight it is mostly a losing battle. You cant call the police. You cant report them. The only thing she can do is report the local manager to the main management company. its a crappy company so they wont care.

She can move out with out notice and they will keep her deposit and she can fight for it back in court and most likely get it back because they violated tenancy laws by entering w/o notice but its going to cost her court fees and time and aggravation. They know this, thats why they do it.

If something had happened (the guy walked in on her in the shower) or assaulted her- totally different story. She could sue them. It didnt so her only recourse is to leave and if they dont give her her deposit back to fight for it back in court because they violated the rules first so she had the right to leave.

Since her lease is up in May I think, shed have to consider if she wants to do that. If she can afford to do it and if its worth it. For her fighting in court is not going to be 'pleasant' because they will probably attempt to smear her by bringing up the fact that they saw sex toys in her unit even though its irrelevant and has nothing to do with the fact that they entered with out notice. Most likely the judge will let a few sentences in about it because people are stupid like that. Its one of those things where its 'fascinating' to people. Like juicy gossip. You know its wrong and inappropriate and it doesnt belong, but because its sensational you hear it first and then say OK, thats irrelevant, Im going to disregard it now.

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If I was her I would not alter the apartment severely. It makes it seem like she was doing something and is attempting to hide it. If she has what we call a studio couch- well thats her couch. She has a computer desk next to it- Well, she keeps her computer right there in the living room because thats how she chooses to live. She can decorate her unit any way she sees fit. The only thing I would do is add to it. Add personal things that arent usually in a cam space to it instead of trying to remove cam items from it and make it look like a traditional living room if it is not.

Traditional living spaces have pictures of family, books, personal products- maybe nail polish- you know add stuff that shows you sit there and surf online. You relax on the couch, you eat on the couch, you nap on the couch, you have a pillow and blanket. Bring personal stuff from the bedroom into the cam space.

The "i was making a personal video for a BF and am highly offended at your implication and intrusion in my personal life" statement at the first mention of what was going on by management shouldve been the first statement and should be the consistent theme.

They have no right to interfere in her personal life or to judge her. If they do suspect that she is violating the lease by running a business (which is seems they do) they will start harassing her. Checking on her by coming by and attempting entry when theyre not suppose to to fix things that arent broken. And again her only recourse would be to leave with out notice.

She needs to put a chain on the door for when shes inside. Its not against the lease (it shouldnt be) An additional lock with out the key probably is, but a chain most likely isnt. Maybe not even a chain because a chain you can kind of open the door slightly and see in, but they have like a bar slider thats kind of the same thing, or a latch. If she goes to the hardware store she can find something for under 5 dollars and install it herself with a screwdriver.

When shes not at home, she needs to make sure she puts all her toys away and the cam incase they come in so it doesnt look like she was just shooting a porno and stepped away for a moment.

Theyll probably keep their eye on her for a few weeks and then get bored and move on to someone else to harass.

kortneykay
02-26-2013, 08:10 AM
The suspense is killing me...OP we await your reply :)

CourtneyRaine
02-26-2013, 10:10 AM
...just say is it a crime for a single woman to own sex toys? Damn are they illegal.

Actually, in Texas, yes they are. It is a felony to own 6 or more dildos. Texas has some absurd laws but it is what it is.

Pearl_Sugar
02-26-2013, 10:13 AM
^ Actually, to dispel the rumor on that, that law was repealed n 2008. :p But it IS absurd.

CourtneyRaine
02-26-2013, 10:31 AM
^ I don't live in Texas but I thought the repeal was ignored recently in Corpus Christi? At least the courts there are not honoring the federal ruling, it seems like a whole big mess and I'd just be really, really careful.

http://daxlegal.com/dildos-sexually-obscene-toys-illegal-in-texas-for-now/

Pearl_Sugar
02-26-2013, 10:34 AM
Geeze, what a load of BS. I just want to go outside waving my big floppy dildos around for some reason.

Rosemary Rabbit
02-26-2013, 11:06 AM
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kortneykay
02-26-2013, 11:43 AM
I would've denied, denied, denied and wrote a formal letter to the owner about accusations from their administrative staff and the "prying" eyes and unprofessional-ism of their maintenance staff. It's completely absurd that they barged in without notice (if it was their fault and not yours) and then ratted on you. You still have rights as a tenant. I bet if you denied it and complained about the maintenance staff snooping they would've written them up or fired them.

It's no ones business what the fuck I do in my home or apartment as long as I'm not harming anyone, law or no law. If you didn't get a notice, they weren't invited and if you did, well, you should've kept your shit on lock. However, it seems you didn't know they were coming in so I wish you the best. I don't mean to throw people under the bus but if I was a tenant and some douche guys "caught" my toys out and about and a "set" I'd deny it and report them for snooping. I'd say that what adult items I own is no ones business and I thought that my items appeared rearranged and I found it filthy that my panties looked sorted through as well.

They straight ratted you out. They have no proof and unless you have proof of drugs in your home, maintenance people are usually let go of before a tenant as you are the one paying to live there. If I'm going down I may as take someone with me if it's like that ;)

JaneBurgess
02-26-2013, 01:18 PM
Camming is porn. There is a huge difference between shooting a video for personal use and logging online and doing cam shows. SM records many of the cam shows to use for their affiliate program, most cam sites record the shows as well. So yes, it is filmed and not just streaming video.

I think some of you are a bit paranoid about evictions.



If a camera or webcam is involved, it legally becomes porn. That's why Lisa Ling's Our America called camming "amateur porn" - because thats what it is by legal definition. And camming isn't even filming! Its just broadcasting live, yet its still considered amateur porn. So filming is definitely considered porn.

If you admit to filming sex acts for your own personal enjoyment, it would become "filming porn for your own personal enjoyment" and all a landlord would think is "filming porn in a building I own is not acceptable, I will evict them!"

ManyRoses
02-26-2013, 02:55 PM
I'm so sorry that happened! Honestly, I would want to move out anyway, because it sounds like you have a landlord that is breaking all kinds of laws.

The thing about what is "legal" is that it depends on where you are. In BC, the tenancy act is incredible, and basically designed to protect the tenant. In other places, the tenancy laws can just be useless. Best advice - read up on your own local tenancy laws and know your rights.

One thing that is usually standard is that unless it is an emergency, they MUST give you at least 24hrs notice before entering your apartment. Frankly, if it was me, and given where I am, you can bet your ass I would be going through the tenancy board right now to take them to court for a breach of lease, and of privacy. FUCK THAT.

As for the business thing - it really does depend on your lease, and on where you are. As others have said, the definition of "running a business" is a bit of a grey area. Sometimes it refers to having customers physically enter and leave, something that would need a business license. Sometimes it can refer to working from home. Again - check local legislation.

Much as it sucks - I hope that today went well.

Bear in mind that if they are trying to evict you, they need a DAMN good reason. Make sure you know your rights in terms of damage deposits, and what you are owed if you are evicted for running a business. Sadly, if it was in your lease that you couldn't do it, you may not be entitled to anything - but you will still be entitled to a certain length of notice. Make sure you get it.

Live and learn, right. This is one of the reasons that I ALWAYS encourage girls to be honest about working from home, if not always about exactly what you do. Ideally, you want to be totally honest, and to do it in writing, to cover your ass. At the bare minimum, I always make it clear that I work from home, so that even if it is in the lease, I have written permission for what I do.

lewandowskaewelina
02-26-2013, 04:13 PM
OK so i went to the meeting today at 9am but they told me to come around 3pm so the main manager will be there. Well i knew what is about to happen. SO i went there at 3pm, and once again they asked me a lot of questions, What do I do for work - I told them I am a nanny and i take care of my best friend child for right now, and I am looking for a job. They said they asked my neigbours if they noticed any noises or disturbance. Well one of my neighbour said that he noticed "whinning" and "moaning" at night time. I told them i am single and its my buissness what i do at my house and have toys and pleasure myself. It was kinda crazy they were serious, But they were like "we really think that something is going on at your house, thats why we would like you to leave our apartment complex" !!!! I said they would have to prove it to me and show me some proves that I do something like that !!! The stuff pest control guy came in to the meeting !!!! I felt so embarassed !! He said to a manager "I go to a lot of apartments everyday to do pest control inspection, and i see a lot of different apartments everyday, but in her apt I noticed definietly something suspicious and it looked like a studio" I WILL post a picture to u guys so u see what he saw when he came it"

Well ok i said i dont wanna have any problems and I would rather leave !!! They told me that they dont wanna "investigate it anylonger" and they are giving me 2 months so move out" So they dont wanna evict me but rather Me break the lease and just move out. I signed a 2 months notice. I gotta move out of here by april 15th !!! I will have to pay march and april's rent in full !!! well I didnt wanna argue with them and at least they dont want court procedings !!!! They said if I leave apartment in a great condition, pay march and aprils rent in full and move out by april 15th they will be ok. I really didnt wana argue with anyone I just agreed to everything, but i never admited that i am camming. I just learnt my lesson and my next apt will be a bigger apt complex !!!! cause the one that i live right now is small community and most of the people live there for a while and they all know each other !!! s maybe its better if i move out and start a new life, and BE very carefull !!!

msmochaxx
02-26-2013, 04:16 PM
OK so i went to the meeting today at 9am but they told me to come around 3pm so the main manager will be there. Well i knew what is about to happen. SO i went there at 3pm, and once again they asked me a lot of questions, What do I do for work - I told them I am a nanny and i take care of my best friend child for right now, and I am looking for a job. They said they asked my neigbours if they noticed any noises or disturbance. Well one of my neighbour said that he noticed "whinning" and "moaning" at night time. I told them i am single and its my buissness what i do at my house and have toys and pleasure myself. It was kinda crazy they were serious, But they were like "we really think that something is going on at your house, thats why we would like you to leave our apartment complex" !!!! I said they would have to prove it to me and show me some proves that I do something like that !!! The stuff pest control guy came in to the meeting !!!! I felt so embarassed !! He said to a manager "I go to a lot of apartments everyday to do pest control inspection, and i see a lot of different apartments everyday, but in her apt I noticed definietly something suspicious and it looked like a studio" I WILL post a picture to u guys so u see what he saw when he came it"

Well ok i said i dont wanna have any problems and I would rather leave !!! They told me that they dont wanna "investigate it anylonger" and they are giving me 2 months so move out" So they dont wanna evict me but rather Me break the lease and just move out. I signed a 2 months notice. I gotta move out of here by april 15th !!! I will have to pay march and april's rent in full !!! well I didnt wanna argue with them and at least they dont want court procedings !!!! They said if I leave apartment in a great condition, pay march and aprils rent in full and move out by april 15th they will be ok. I really didnt wana argue with anyone I just agreed to everything, but i never admited that i am camming. I just learnt my lesson and my next apt will be a bigger apt complex !!!! cause the one that i live right now is small community and most of the people live there for a while and they all know each other !!! s maybe its better if i move out and start a new life, and BE very carefull !!!

I worked at a complex like that. Thank god I got fired :P

lewandowskaewelina
02-26-2013, 04:29 PM
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?0nlyxrctu2ws32r

http://www.mediafire.com/view/?n6bv4gizwtgwko7


those are pictures of my "studio" this is what the pest control guy saw wehn he came in, exept for towels were wet from"squirting" and u could kinda tell its not just skyping with a boyfriend :( but whatever I am moving on with my life and i will be carefull !!!!!!! thanks everyone for support i had no clue I could get in trouble for camming !! i always thought its legal !!! I need to relax tonight and think of my "better future" :)

i didnt know how to attach the pics to a post sorry

TheBrownFox
02-26-2013, 04:32 PM
Wow, I think it's horrible and unfair that this happened to you, OP! I'm so sorry that you have to find a new place to live because of those fucking assholes!

msmochaxx
02-26-2013, 04:36 PM
I would sue them honestly. I would be so pissed that I would take the time and money to sue them. First off because they just barged into your apartment...assuming youre a single women who lives alone that is dangerous to not know who is welcoming themselves into your apartment. Second off because you are being asked to move for something so ridiculous. I would look over your documents and find out what exact things you can be asked to move out for. Then again since you signed papers already you might not be able to do anything.

annabellz
02-26-2013, 04:43 PM
Re evictions and camming/ filming porn/ tenancy laws - in the US, it comes down to 3 things- profits, kids and zoning laws.

Almost every residential lease in the US will not allow the tenant to run a business from the unit. It would be very rare for the lease to allow it. It has to do with insurance and zoning regulations. If you are a renter, you should check the lease. Camming from home is a business, so if you cam from home, you are running a business. If you cam from an apartment, chances are you are violating your lease. Is it illegal to violate your lease? No, but you can be kicked out and they can possibly keep your security deposit. It would depend on the lease you signed.

Re zoning laws: Filming porn is not against the law in most cases. Providing the parties are over 18 and the content is 'vanilla' (not bestiality/scat/obscene etc) Thats why sites have disclaimers to check your local laws and you are responsible for broadcasting/your content. You can film yourself doing anything you like as long as its for your own personal use. The problem is when you collect profit for it. Then it becomes a business. Film it in a residential area where zoning laws prohibit such filming and you have a problem. Film it when you have children in the home- you have a problem.

Filming for profit with children in the home in a residential area in violation of your lease and zoning laws- and you get caught- you have lots of problems.

Most camgirls are never caught or bothered because its not something that they advertise they do publicly. But the laws are there if someone wanted to bust your balls and make trouble for you.

If youre a single mom camgirl and you have kids in the home an ex can make trouble for you. If you have neighbors who disapprove zoning laws can cause issues for you.(either running a business in a residential area, or shooting porn w/o a permit) If youre violating your lease by running a business and they find out about it, you can be evicted.

lewandowskaewelina
02-26-2013, 04:59 PM
yea I already signed the papers and agreed on moving out by april 15th !!! I think that its not fair what happend !! but its my fault toooo. I felt like its better to agree on signing the papers and move out rather than trying to prove them something, there were kinda ignorant and very conservative. They started telling me how christian their community is, and most of the people are older age people. Well, it is messed up, the meeting was like 30 minutes long, and mentally i just could take it because I felt like i dont reserve it and It better if i wil be away from them. When i first rented this apartment i was a finacial aid from my college !!! so as a accupation in a application I had "student", later on when i extended my lease they didnt ask me again about the occupation even tho i was already camming, and thats why i stayed in those apt cause i needed time to get some "bank statements" so next time when i wanna rent somewhere else i will have a stable income proof.

The pictures say it all, I mean if i showed those pictures to a stranger that doesnt know me, he would say it looks like somethig is going on !!! well, i am glad they dont wanna sue me or anything and trust me I wish i could just tell them many things in their faces but i dont want tis situation to be worst.

TheBrownFox
02-26-2013, 05:02 PM
I would sue them honestly. I would be so pissed that I would take the time and money to sue them. First off because they just barged into your apartment...assuming youre a single women who lives alone that is dangerous to not know who is welcoming themselves into your apartment. Second off because you are being asked to move for something so ridiculous. I would look over your documents and find out what exact things you can be asked to move out for. Then again since you signed papers already you might not be able to do anything.


Yup. Before we were telling her to "play nice" with the landlord to avoid any further drama, but now that they've flat out told her to move out...fuck all that. I am so angry for her, and I would LOVE IT if she could sue the bastard(s).

Sugarmama
02-26-2013, 05:41 PM
I went through this last year trying to sue them is like shitting in one hand and wishing in the other even though I was upfront about what I do the downstairs neighbor and me went to war. Next time you move just make sure you tell them you work from home online in adult industry and pso if need be.

Marina Starr
02-26-2013, 05:46 PM
I'm sorry for what happened to you but your "studio" does not look like a sex factory that would cause that mother fucker (pest guy) to make such a big deal out of it. I hope you can look at this incident as a blessing in disguise.

GlamourRouge
02-26-2013, 05:53 PM
You should NOT have signed that document. Why? It was a document saying you would break your lease. What happens when you break your lease? If there is nothing in your lease about what happens, the landlord can make up any penalty they want, and its legal. I just spoke to lawyers about this in December and that's what they told me. You probably wont be getting any of your deposit back, and they are able to sue you for more if they want. Hopefully they will let it go with just the deposit.

thatgirl2011
02-26-2013, 06:03 PM
Im sorry this happened to u but fuck them you'll find a better place. They're acting like a bunch of uptight assholes. Its not like you're doing something that's illegal like filming yourself having sex with minors! Wtf is the big deal how you make you're living as long as its legal and you're paying the rent. Damn and asking the neighbors if they heard anything?! I guess I better be more quiet when Im having "date night" with myself. I bet those people that work at your apartment complex have done way more freaky shit behind closed doors. Who are they to judge?!

lewandowskaewelina
02-26-2013, 06:08 PM
well they told me, that before the april 15th they will do a "walkthru" and if everyhting is spotless clean and i pay march and april's rent the wont do anything. They will let me go and they wont do any court procedings but they wont give me a deposit back, because "i am breaking the lease and I gave them the two moths notice" and i am breaking the lease earlier, the original lease was till october 2013. So they made a deal with me, we wont evict you but ... u have to break the lease move out, leave apt clean and u wont get deposit back. One of the ladies working at the office she is kinda cool and she assured me that they wont do anything!!! thye just dont want me to stay on their property and they are letting me go.
I will go there tomorrow again and make sure that we have an agreement and they really didnt prove me anything ... they also let me put as for a reason why Am i leaving property to "i am moving out because i wanna live closer to my new school" so on one hand they treated me like shit but i dont think they will do anything about it.

Melodie
02-26-2013, 06:20 PM
That sucks though, kind of. I mean I would be happy to be out of there after that happened, but still...
Im in Canada, and as ManyRoses mentioned, here....everything leans towards tenants rights. I don't know about where you are, but HERE it would take FOREVER for them to evict you, IF they even got an eviction notice.
Most likely they wouldn't.

I recently got 3 months of free rent because my landlords weren't fixing something they should have :D (Ive moved)

lewandowskaewelina
02-26-2013, 06:22 PM
Well, from now on I will be a extra carefull, i will put double locks on my door, and i will start looking for a nice bigger property, and i sure will read online reviews about the next apt. Just today i realized when i look up those apt they had a lot of 1 star rating people complaining !!!

i am sure this thread is a warning for many of you to be extra carefull, and most of cammgirls have no idea that camming from a rented house or apt can get u in trouble :(

lewandowskaewelina
02-26-2013, 06:26 PM
Regardless of what you were or were not doing in your apartment, Pest Control guy entered your apartment without giving proper (and likely legally required) notice. What he found or didn't find doesn't matter. The fact that he (probably) illegally entered your apartment in the manner he did trumps what he thinks he saw. And that agreement you signed to break your lease? Fuck that. You signed that under obvious duress. Regardless of the fact that you do indeed want to move out at this point, I would consult with a lawyer. If for no other reason than to find out your options if they end up trying to fine you when you move. I mean, they're forcing you to move. Essentially they ARE evicting you, but trying to make it seem like they're doing you a favor by not taking you to court. And did they sign a paper stating that they won't fine you or take you to court for breaking your lease? Ha! They have no proof of anything going on in your apartment. All they have is heresay from someone who entered in your apartment illegally, then they bullied you into signing under duress a notice of intent to break your lease. Talk to a lawyer. Go to Legal Aid! God, this pisses me off.

yea, well if they wanna fine me or do something that definietly i will contact a laywer right away!!! But if that would happen what should I say to a laywer that I am a camgirl? or just play that have nothing to do with this? is there anyway they can run a background check and see that i work for SM? maybe anyone else knows ?

Melodie
02-26-2013, 06:26 PM
You're right, I didn't know that :P
Thankfully I told my current landlord that I work from home, so it should be cool!

Also, my apartment doesn't even look a tiny bit studioish.

GlamourRouge
02-26-2013, 06:29 PM
Its too late to consult with a lawyer because you already signed the 2 month agreement thing. You should have said you'll let your lawyer look it over. Now, they can go after you for all the time the unit sits vacant (since you're breaking the lease), and any other penalties they want since its not in your lease. Don't listen to what they tell you verbally. The only thing you can do now is go back to them and make them sign something saying you won't owe any additional fees besides March and Aprils rent.

GlamourRouge
02-26-2013, 06:39 PM
What you were or were not doing in your apartment doesn't matter nearly as much as the fact that the guy entered your apartment without proper notice (ie illegally). This is why police are required to have search warrants before they enter homes. You bust in without a warrant and you can't use the evidence you find. Same goes with Pest Control entering your apartment without proper notice. If you can remember the dates/times he entered your apartment without notice, write it down!

Yep, I think they think they can take advantage of the OP. And they did by getting her to sign the 2 month move paper with the threat of eviction as an alternative. They would have been fucked in court since they couldn't provide proof of entry notification.

I would still consult with a lawyer anyway. Though many, most, or maybe even all with say that they can't help you, the tenant, unless it has to do with eviction.

GlamourRouge
02-26-2013, 06:52 PM
But she signed the notice under duress, and when an otherwise legally binding agreement is signed under duress it can sometimes be not so binding. And to the OP, I would be honest with the lawyer about being a cam girl if it comes up. YOUR lawyer is on YOUR side. He or she won't be as interested in what you may or may not have been doing in your apartment as they will be interested in Pest Control entering your apartment illegally and then the management ganging up on you and forcing you sign a Notice of Intent to Move.

Idk, then she said she put the reason as wanting to move closer to school. So its going to look voluntary in the eyes of the law.

GlamourRouge
02-26-2013, 07:12 PM
What was she supposed to write? "I want to move because the neighbor sometimes hears me orgasm at night and Pest Control saw my dildos and management doesn't like my dildos or my middle of the night orgasms so they're telling me to sign this notice or get evicted" ?? I'm not trying to be argumentative. I just worked as a paralegal for years so it's ingrained in me to find the angles and work them to your advantage. :-)

Well it wasn't exactly her choice to move. So she should have put the reason she had to move. "Moving at landlord's request" or something. Because now it looks like it was her choice, therefore she will have to suffer the penalty fees (which she shouldn't because it wasn't her choice to move). They say there won't be any, but nothing is in writing and they are probably just saying whatever to get her to sign the docs and follow through with moving.

I just went through something similar this past fall (2012). Where I had to seek out legal advice and try to break my lease because neighbors interfered with my ability to work from home. Luckily my ex-landlord was kind of... dumb? So I didn't need to do a lot of legal stuff except push hard to get my way. However, a complex or property manager knows their rights, knows the laws, and will probably bleed you for every dollar they can get- just because they know the law is in their favor since they aren't evicting the OP.

DMaribella
02-26-2013, 08:12 PM
They started telling me how christian their community is, and most of the people are older age people.

It sounds like this has been a stressful and humiliating experience for you and you want to just move on and put this behind you which is totally understandable. But just so you know, the above statement about the complex being a Christian community is a violation of Federal Fair Housing(if you are in the United States.) This, along with staff entering your apartment without notice really makes me wonder about how much they really do/don't know, because this is Landlord/Tenant Law 101 stuff.

If it states in your lease that you can't run a business out of your apartment, and that is the reason they are giving you why they offered this ultimatum- that's one thing, even though that part of a lease is usually written so loosely that it leaves it open to interpretation. So they've probably got you there, but if it were me I would still want to get some legal advice, even if their illegal entry/statements about it being a Christian community might be difficult to prove. I'd still want to find out because I'm just like that, and I also wonder what kind of rental reference they will give you, given their other illegal/unprofessional conduct. I'm really sorry this happened to you! I hope you can live out the next couple of months there in peace and they won't give you a hard time. (if they do, I suggest documenting it if you feel up to it.)

Pearl_Sugar
02-26-2013, 08:18 PM
This entire thread is absolutely heartbreaking. It just goes to show that, even though we work for fair pay, and pay all of our bills, and are generally outstanding citizens, one bad community or someone with bias against the adult community can really ruin our livelihood.

It's a good reminder to keep a rainy day fund in savings... You never know when you'll need to move. :(

CourtneyRaine
02-26-2013, 08:19 PM
Thank you so much for coming back and updating us, OP. I was thinking of you all day and hoping everything would work in your favor. I'm sorry you are going through this but hopefully you will have enough time to find a new place that won't be as stressful as the one you are in now. This thread has also made me super paranoid and I've been having anxiety all day wondering if this will ever happen to me. This is great for anyone who is considering camming who may need a reality check about how this job can potentially negatively affect you, and for current cam girls such as myself to be careful and always take precautions. Hopefully your story will save someone else from experiencing a similar situation. ((hugs))

BluJ
02-26-2013, 08:41 PM
Isn't that the most bs of reasons! If they really were a "Christian community" they would have love and accepted you. Besides Jesus' mom wasn't the only Mary in the Bible. ;)

Glad it's all done and over with at least! May your next apartment be full of rainbows and heavily locked doors.

FiendishGyrator
02-26-2013, 08:49 PM
figured you'd need a laugh:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v19/ItsYrFuneral/jeus.jpg

CinnimonKiss
02-26-2013, 08:56 PM
Wow well i read the first full page of this thread and the last, and that is NUTS.

Like cmon arent 90% of us renting???

I guess once your done camming, clean up ur set/area to avoid that situation as much as possible.
I HATE when apartment complex's have a ""reason"" to barge in!

KimKlass
02-26-2013, 09:07 PM
Wow, I would be fucking LIVID and I would consult a lawyer. I'm mad reading this mess! I don't know how you held your tongue, because even if it would have been smart not to, I would have lost my shit!

whirlerz
02-26-2013, 09:24 PM
Honey I just wish you all the best, & I am so sorry you had to go thru all this..In a way I'm glad you're getting out of there, although you were made to unfairly suffer, it's best you're out of there. Best of luck to you to get a new, much better place.

ManyRoses
02-26-2013, 10:32 PM
Wait...WTF?!?!?! This sucks, and I understand why you signed the document, and honestly, there are times when I will give up rights for the sake of avoiding hassle...and it's done now. But DAYUM did they fuck you over sweetie.

They can't "take you to court" for anything. The ABSOLUTE most you did was break the terms of the lease. What that amounts to is that they can evict you. They did that. There is no legal way to evict someone on the spot - even after non-payment of rent, eviction notice must be served, and it basically still amounts to a month's worth of notice. All of this crap about "you must leave the place spotless and we won't take it further"....there IS NO FURTHER TO TAKE IT. You could paint the entire place black - floor to ceiling, toilets, shower, inside of the fridge....and they wouldn't be able to do a damn thing because they are already evicting you and taking your damage deposit. The ONLY thing that they could do would be to withold a reference for the next landlord.

While we are on that subject - they CANNOT LEGALLY GIVE A BAD REFERENCE. That is defamation. The only way to give a bad reference (legally) is if they are asked specific questions. If they straight up said "yeah, she filmed porn, the dirty slut" that is defamation. Then you COULD sue them.

Also - they broke the terms of the lease as well, by granting access without notice.

All I can say - they are absolute. fucking. assholes. And you are better off finding somewhere that you can be happy, and live with people that obey the law and respect their tenants. If you can stomach it, consult a lawyer. Because they are playing jump rope with the lines between legal and illegal.

HaydenBlue
02-26-2013, 11:16 PM
Buy this: (I think everyone should have one or 3 lol IMO) http://www.amazon.com/Buddybar-10311-Door-Jammer/dp/B002BQ4VBU

It is a steel pump jack for your door. No one can ever come in unannounced again. Jam's the door, key wont even turn the lock.

The only way someone could get through it is with an axe.

tlulu
02-27-2013, 03:21 AM
"whinning" and "moaning" at night time.

I never make any noise when I do my shows... but damn am I loud when I bonk my man. Can you imagine that, giving me warnings for doing something illegal when all I did was some passionate bonking?

If I ever get into that situation I'll just say that my sex life with my boyfriend is none of their business. But then, I live in a complex with a lot of gay men that party all the time. So I highly doubt that they would care.

OP, I'm really sorry that this happened to you. I hope that you will find a new place where you will be able to continue camming!!!

kortneykay
02-27-2013, 10:33 AM
Girlllllllllllllllll you got played HARD! I'm so glad you decided to just let this not be a bigger issue for you, however, if it were me...they wouldn't have gotten very far. Moaning? What? Hold on... so your neighbor ratted you out for moaning at night? The last time I checked people still have a sex life, not that it was any of her business and to hell with that company for having shitty thin walls. I wouldn't have signed a damn thing, they would've literally had to have taken me to court or visa versa. They made you sign a lease for 2 FULL months when you have to be out by the 15th? Hell. No. I only would've agreed to March and HALF of May and my FULL security deposit and nothing more. I also would've checked the state laws on Tenant rights.

My first apartment (no roomies) tried to pull crap like this. They let me break my lease becuase they refused to deal with a pest problem they had and I left the place immaculate. Then they bullshitted me by keeping $30 because they said behind the stove wasn't clean and they'd have to pay their cleaner $30 an hour. This was bullshit. fi I don't go behind the stove, it wasn't dirty and by law it stated that Landlords were not allowed to charge tenants anything extra if they earned their security deposits back, which I did. They were not allowed to hold back shit and they did. I learned my lesson that day. $30 isn't much, but they made me feel some kind of way for leaving their mice infested apartment.

The pest man had no right to be there without notice and the bullshit intervention they gave you was fucked up too. I wouldn't have signed shit. They especially had you when they asked what you did and you mentioned babysitting. I would've told them exactly what I did when I signed the lease as they now knew you must have been doing it because you then sounded financially desperate. They played you hard. Thank God it wasn't me because they would've gotten their panties sued off.