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GlamourRouge
03-18-2013, 06:20 PM
Let me just say how happy I am for the "no outing" rule here on SW. You don't realize how much drama and bullshit that rule actually prevents until you see that shit in practice on other camming forums. Not pretty.

I actually didn't realize how many unhappy people resided on that other forum until now. Like ones who legitimately hate their lives or the fact that they cam or something. Its plain as day in that thread lol. Especially the ones who are shaming her for not knowing the extent of the legalities in her country. Do you know how many of those same people shaming her, probably live in places where camming is also illegal? And how many of the girls shaming her rent apartments where their landlord knows exactly what they do? Lol @ their stupidity, honestly.

It makes them look like they're genuinely slow for their "she deserved it!" comments. Well now, would you deserve to be homeless and taken to court for thousands of dollars when your landlord sues you for violating your lease bc of camming, and then places on a rental blacklist? FREAK ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. CAMMING IS PRACTICALLY ILLEGAL UNLESS YOU OWN YOUR HOME NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE. Just so you know. Even then, your neighbors still could lobby to get you out of the neighborhood if they knew what you did for a living AND even if you owned your home. Lol @ all the stupidity. I cringed so hard at the hypocrisy and stupidity that I couldn't even read the whole thread.

SECONDLY, regarding drugs, THREE GRAMS were found. Three grams for 6 or more people. That's nothing. Hey guys what's the difference between 3 grams divided by 6 people versus 1 adderall pill? I'll give you one hint: Nothing. Yes, in the eyes of the crooked Thai law she can be made to look like a drug dealer or a mass consumer of drugs, but that's only because they want to punish her for being a threat to the Thai morality code. But the truth of the matter is, you do not know this person. Maybe she's a workaholic and needs to stay awake? Maybe she suffers from narcolepsy? I'm not pushing drugs here, but a little dash is not going to kill you or make you into an addict. And I mean, what if she had an adderall Px? Anyone can get one. Suddenly things would be majorly different even though its basically the same thing only you have a piece of paper saying you can have it? Lets not let our schemas take control of our ability to have common sense.

GlamourRouge
03-18-2013, 06:43 PM
QUESTION TIME! Hey guys what's the difference between...


- An insatiable slutty pornstar who makes porn almost daily, has sex for money with other guys watching her, who also profits off illegal sex trafficking, and who is a massive drug addict who will do anything to get her fix?

VERSUS

- A cam girl who cams on a cam site to make a living, who runs a studio of other consenting cam girls in order to help out girls in a country where people don't make much, who had 1/6th of a TEASPOON of an amphetamine to keep her focused?


ANSWER: Nothing. Just the media's portrayal.

Via Flaminia
03-18-2013, 06:48 PM
Hawaii is the same ^^ Dont fuck around if you are not a local or now certain ppl.

Laws are different for locals vs non locals.

Anyways, I hope everything works out to the best of her favor.

This can be a life lesson taken to heart for all of us. Think twice before making a mistake

Hi tempting,

Hawai'i was one of the places I was raised. As a haole (white person) and a malahini (outsider) I can relate to everything you said.

It's common knowledge on our island that the assistant chief of police is one of the biggest drug dealers on the island. Been that way for years & not going to change.

I also lived in Thailand for a bit and lived in Europe for a year.

I guess this is part of the reason why I am saddened by all of this. I think when a person comes to a new place, they should have respect and not cause trouble.

Plus, the kids....omg...

TeenageAnnie
03-18-2013, 06:50 PM
i think that the thai officers are pissed that white men brought american money to their area and set up a studio where thai nationals are earning american money doing porno. it sets a good example if the studio is shut down and a scene made. i think some forget that they also arrested the two white men. they are probably been seen as 'pimps'. and the fact they are both white and drug users makes it worse. how can foreign man come into our country and recruit our decent women into pornography? and the actual thai-smut that goes on probably runs on thai money, whereas mfc money=american dollar. and even if they let her off i think those guys are going to be made an example of.

GlamourRouge
03-18-2013, 06:53 PM
I think when a person comes to a new place, they should have respect and not cause trouble. I'm not saying she didn't have a right to make a living~ I think she absolutely did.

The issue is that she drew attention to herself. Not on purpose, it was like a freak accident. Whether it was from writing a book that pissed off the wrong person, or thinking she was doing Thai girls a favor by trying to get them into camming to make some money for their families. Her intentions were definitely not malicious, but they drew attention to her.

But this could happen to ANY of us. If a random man wanted to date you and you didn't want to, and then he ended up stalking you (ear on your front door), you could get busted. All it would take is an anonymous phone call to your landlord saying you do porn from home, and it would have to be investigated. Things like this could happen to ANY of us. Its best not to draw attention to yourself, not to piss anyone enough, and to be discreet, but all of those are much easier said than done. Freak accidents happen.




i think some forget that they also arrested the two white men.

She was arrested, her boyfriend, and some other guys. Those 3 were the Europeans. Three Thai people were also arrested at the same time. Ones from actual Thailand.

We all know many foreign companies are corrupt and only after profit. They were mad they couldn't profit off this, so no reason to keep her around. They're sure fine with keeping both unconsenting sex trafficking and child sex trafficking around, but that's only because they profit from it.

Via Flaminia
03-18-2013, 06:55 PM
The issue is that she drew attention to herself. Not on purpose, it was like a freak accident. Whether it was from writing a book that pissed off the wrong person, or thinking she was doing Thai girls a favor by trying to get them into camming to make some money for their families. Her intentions were definitely not malicious, but they drew attention to her.

But this could happen to ANY of us. If a random man wanted to date you and you didn't want to, and then he ended up stalking you (ear on your front door), you could get busted. All it would take is an anonymous phone call to your landlord saying you do porn from home, and it would have to be investigated. Things like this could happen to ANY of us. Its best not to draw attention to yourself, not to piss anyone enough, and to be discreet, but all of those are much easier said than done. Freak accidents happen.

Absolutely. Everything you said.

I will add, when I lived in Thailand I was the most careful. I agree with everything above, but as an outsider you have to behave as such and accept that the rules that apply to others don't apply to you.

tlulu
03-19-2013, 04:08 AM
Yes, in the eyes of the crooked Thai law she can be made to look like a drug dealer or a mass consumer of drugs, but that's only because they want to punish her for being a threat to the Thai morality code.

On another note, I will agree to that. The real reason why there was a huge bust on this was because it was a foreigner and they wanted to make an example out of her. Normal Thai people generally like foreigners. To be honest, they embrace American culture like crazy! Going to McDonald's with your kids is considered a weekend treat, they love hip hop, American clothing brands... truly, the only ones who are xenophobic are the authorities. These guys don't like change, nor do they like a "bad reputation" for Thailand. They have very archaic ways of thinking, imagining that our culture can't be preserved should people decide to embrace the Western culture of being more sexually open (OOOOOoooo!). Ok, I agree with them on certain prospects, such as forbidding the sales of land to foreigners to protect the Thai people or else Thailand would be a mini Europe by now. BUT, I do not agree on a lot of things.

I personally would like it to have camming legal for the ladies in Thailand. It would take them off the streets. It could be the answer to stop sex tourism there overall. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but if I could, I would want to create a safe haven for all of the girls who sell themselves on the street. Call me captain-save-a-ho here, but I don't see how keeping those brothels open is more moral than a girl earning money camming in her own private home.

catgirl
03-19-2013, 11:53 AM
I don't think you can compare getting caught by a landlord with possibly serving life in prison or death.
From the article an undercover cop had been camming with her for a while before they raided her. I don't think it was an MFC model.. I think when she started involving Thai women in her work is when the police started watching her. In Thailand it is very common for Western men to come over and traffic their women.
I don't feel bad for her- she knew it was illegal.. she even said she had to use a proxy to even stream on MFC- apparantly Thailand blocks all adult websites. Those poor babies :(

SarahTime
03-19-2013, 11:57 AM
I thought this little blip at the end of this article was amusing:

http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2013/03/17/internet-porn-makers-busted-in-east-pattaya-estate/

"However, the police will investigate further to arrest the owner of the website that broadcasted the nude video clips."

Really? They already acknowledged the website is based in the US. So Thai officials think they are going to come on over and arrest the owner of MFC now? Ha.

I wonder where MFC will go with this... it seems to me they are already walking quite a fine line by allowing explicit shows in free chat, where hundreds of the guests in any given room could be underage. I'm surprised MFC hasn't run into serious shit already with the way the site operates. I realize it's "on the performer" to follow the "rules" but wouldn't you think it's on the site owner to enforce the rules?

Via Flaminia
03-19-2013, 12:21 PM
I don't feel bad for her- she knew it was illegal.. she even said she had to use a proxy to even stream on MFC- apparantly Thailand blocks all adult websites. Those poor babies :(

This.
Earlier I said that I thought she had a right to make a living. Well, I did not take this into account ^. Of course she was doing other things that were legal....social media, the book, etc.

Also when you enter the country at major points there's a huge sign (used to be there, anyway) that says what happens to you if you get caught buying, selling, using drugs, or even having drugs on your person or in your home. Unlike my home country, they carry out their threats of punishment and swiftly at that.

I don't do drugs, but these two things alone would have stopped me. No amount of money is worth these risks.

GlamourRouge
03-19-2013, 12:34 PM
This.
Earlier I said that I thought she had a right to make a living. Well, I did not take this into account ^. Of course she was doing other things that were legal....social media, the book, etc.

Also when you enter the country at major points there's a huge sign (used to be there, anyway) that says what happens to you if you get caught buying, selling or using drugs. Unlike my home country, they carry out their threats of punishment and swiftly at that.

I don't do drugs, but these two things alone would have stopped me. No amount of money is worth these risks.

Isn't everyone jumping to conclusions? There is no evidence that she personally bought, sold, or even used illegal drugs. It says everyone in the house failed a drug test, but it doesn't say what they failed. And that doesn't mean she doesn't have a prescription or something that caused her to fail the drug test. Things like Adderall will cause you to fail a drug test because its essentially prescription meth, and anyone can get a px for it if you say the right things.

Via Flaminia
03-19-2013, 12:43 PM
Isn't everyone jumping to conclusions? There is no evidence that she personally bought, sold, or even used illegal drugs. It says everyone in the house failed a drug test, but it doesn't say what they failed. And that doesn't mean she doesn't have a prescription or something that caused her to fail the drug test. Things like Adderall will cause you to fail a drug test because its essentially prescription meth, and anyone can get a px for it if you say the right things.

You're right about jumping to conclusions, but I'll add, with all due respect, do you know the full circumference of evidence they do/do not have? I assume you only know what we know (ie what the police/government are willing to release about this).

About the drugs, police/media could be misrepresenting, yes. There also could be plenty of police hold-back info that we are not getting. Maybe the camgirl saw her using repeatedly, it surpassed certain standards of illegality according to the witness, and they are not making that public either? Who knows?

The camming legality is clearly stated law, so there's that. Like others said, she's in trouble possibly if they pursue that part.

What you said before is true ~ she drew attention to herself.

When you draw attention to yourself, you increase the odds of trouble. I know that's an unpopular opinion, after all we make our living drawing attention to ourselves.

Her private consumption/non-consumption really is not my business, fair enough. Sadly most people don't see it this way. They say "Where there's smoke..."

CourtneyRaine
03-19-2013, 12:52 PM
Unfortunately what's done is done and she can't take it back. Do I believe she made a mistake by camming in a country that expressly forbids it? Sure. Were the drugs a mistake? Heck yeah, and I think that's really what's going to do her in. I don't know what she's actually being charged with but it's my understanding that producing pornography in Thailand is punishable by up to three years in prison. The drugs, well, possible life sentence depending on how they want to prosecute it, but I'll leave that part out because this is *camming* connection.

I absolutely think one should have to suffer the consequences of breaking the law, especially when you knowingly and repeatedly break the law. The thing that gets me is that if she was camming where I am, the laws are so vague that the most that would probably happen would be an eviction for breaking her apartment's lease. Can't really compare that to spending hard time in a foreign prison. So while I do think that some type of punishment would be appropriate, it does seem rather harsh that she's possibly facing an obscene sentence.

ETA: I'm moving out of the States at the end of this year and as I mentioned upthread, the country I'm going to does not outlaw prostitution. Which, I don't at all think that camming is prostitution but it goes to show how lax the government is on sex work in general. On craigslist earlier today I just saw a job ad in my new city for a female office worker who would be, well, "You will be helping out with office tasks and working in the nude. You will also give the men working there handjobs when needed, and also blowjobs if requested." It's kind of disturbing to me how in some parts of the world that kind of work is completely advertised and acceptable, and this cam model is facing a loooooong prison term for doing something which I believe is a far more minor thing. Scary how some places are so puritanical, but I guess you've just got to be grateful that there are also places in this world where you can work safely in your home without fear of criminal prosecution.

GlamourRouge
03-19-2013, 12:55 PM
Okay I wrote more but my internet keeps fucking up.

Okay, and in addition, why is everyone claiming shes actually doing all these illegal things? Yes, the Thai officials are going to try to charge her with various things, but that doesn't mean she can't fight back. Its all going to depend exactly on how the law reads. Its going to also depend on how it translates. She does have a good case for actually getting off the hook completely, but its going to depend on several things we don't know the answer to.

The biggest thing against her is going to be her running a Thai studio of girls. But if she's convicted for that, MFC would be held equally liable. Of course the Thai government is going to go after her personally for this, and also MFC personally as the article SarahTime posted above states. But if Thai officials can't convict MFC of anything, they probably can't convict the cam girl in question of anything either. The Thai girls she got to cam are independent contractors, NOT employees. Not only that, but they are independent contractor to MFC, and NOT the actual cam girl running the studio. I guarantee you Thai officials do not know how that shit works. The IRS doesn't even know yet lol, which is why studios aren't forced to issue 1099s yet. The Thai officials probably think the Thai cam girls are employees, therefore making this business illegal because they think its based in Thailand, but its not. Said cam girls business is actually based in Austria (her business) via the U.S. (MFC). Therefore the Thai cam girls are of free will, and the ones that will be held liable for their actions. This cam girl physically has an address in Austria. She rented her property in Thailand, she could argue that it was a vacation residence (because she did travel a lot).

Not only does she have an Austrian address, but that is where her citizenship is. She also has a physical company in Austria. I'm assuming, because her company is located there, she pays taxes there. She certainly doesn't pay them to Thailand because there's no need to as she is not a citizen there. There are lots of loopholes if you think about it, in her favor. It just is going to depend on the physical evidence (photo, video) that was collected against her by the cam girl who was a decoy sent by the police for 2 months.


So what I'm trying to say is, if she was not on meth, argues that the drugs were not hers, states that her Thai cam girls are actually "consenting independent contractors" (MFC makes you sign a contract, remember?), and pays her taxes legally in the country of Austria, she has a good case for not being charged with anything. Just deported and thats it. However, like I said, it all depends on things we do not know the answer to, and will probably never know the answer to until the case has gone to trial. She does have a heavy backing of wealthy fans, so even though all her assets were frozen, she could still probably hire a good attorney who knows what he/she is doing.

Via Flaminia
03-19-2013, 01:04 PM
Look, I understand this all hits too close to home for many people.

Sometimes we are thinking out loud when we post here. It's a thought process on a complicated issue, and my comments don't always come out with laser-beam accuracy.

I still value everyone's opinion and think this is an interesting discussion.

Just wanted to add that.

sexysusie
03-19-2013, 01:20 PM
Her MFC profile is no longer opening from links, it just goes to the homepage :/

CourtneyRaine
03-19-2013, 01:59 PM
Okay, and in addition, why is everyone claiming shes actually doing all these illegal things? Yes, the Thai officials are going to try to charge her with various things, but that doesn't mean she can't fight back. Its all going to depend exactly on how the law reads. Its going to also depend on how it translates. She does have a good case for actually getting off the hook completely, but its going to depend on several things we don't know the answer to.

The biggest thing against her is going to be her running a Thai studio of girls. But if she's convicted for that, MFC would be held equally liable. Of course the Thai government is going to go after her personally for this, and also MFC personally as the article SarahTime posted above states. But if Thai officials can't convict MFC of anything, they probably can't convict the cam girl in question of anything either. The Thai girls she got to cam are independent contractors, NOT employees. Not only that, but they are independent contractor to MFC, and NOT the actual cam girl running the studio...

I'm saying she did something illegal because according to the law in Thailand, it is illegal to transmit pornography on the internet. And she transmitted what can potentially be defined as pornography every time she did a show and flashed on MFC. Unfortunately, I don't think she has a case for getting off the hook completely because even if you only look at the issue of her camming as an individual, forget the studio and the drugs, just by flashing her breasts on MFC she was breaking Thai law. http://www.thaipulse.com/cautions/laws-against-pornography-and-indecency/

Even if you ignore the crimes of her allegedly hiring Thai workers to engage in pornography with her, and the drugs, there's proof all over the place that she's been getting naked online for quite some time while in Thailand. And in Thailand that is punishible with jail time. If she has a great lawyer and can somehow afford exceptional representation she'll be deported if she's lucky, but when you add together all of the allegations against her it's likely that the legal system is going to try very hard to have her incarcerated and make an example out of her. Perhaps if this hadn't been broadcasted on the news there would have still been a chance to pay off the right officials to allow her to keep camming, but now that it's public they're going to feel that they *have* to continue with prosecuting her.

I'm really curious to see how this is going to pan out with the Thai government going after MFC. According to Thai law the site is responsible for what its users to, but since MFC isn't under Thai jurisdiction it'll be interesting to see how far each side is willing to go. Even if they can't prosecute MFC they can most certainly prosecute the girl for running a studio- because she was doing it all on Thai soil and therefore subject to their laws. It doesn't matter whether the Thai cam girls she got were employees or independent contractors, she was still encouraging them to transmit porn and profiting from it financially. Even in the lax country I'm moving to pimping is illegal.

Personally, in my opinion it would be morally wrong to throw the girl in jail for camming. Deport her, fine, but jail time seems incredibly harsh. But, legally, jail time is a very real possibility.

Jinja
03-19-2013, 02:05 PM
Her profile was removed by MFC after her arrest.

Via Flaminia
03-19-2013, 02:11 PM
Yes, it's human nature to view things from the paradigm we know. For example, I'm an American who for most of my life has been surrounded by Americans who are proud of their "rights"... Great, not knockin' it, but it's inconceivable to many people who have not lived abroad that your "rights" are fair game depending on where you are in the world.

I really don't want to see these people suffer in a Thai jail. I really don't.

I'm going to get jumped on for saying this, but it *looks* like a slam dunk for the police. Emphasis on the word *looks* - right? The spectacle is a lot of the game. The public shaming, etc.

Like I stated in a previous post, no one here knows the whole story. I want to say more because I've lived there and seen what can happen. But.....I won't.

DottyTease
03-19-2013, 02:40 PM
This is so sad.. She is a really sweet girl and bad things shouldn't happen to such people :/ .. I really hope everything will turn out oke for her..

CourtneyRaine
03-19-2013, 02:45 PM
I'm going to get jumped on for saying this, but it *looks* like a slam dunk for the police. Emphasis on the word *looks* - right? The spectacle is a lot of the game. The public shaming, etc.

Like I stated in a previous post, no one here knows the whole story. I want to say more because I've lived there and seen what can happen. But.....I won't.

Agreed completely, definitely wouldn't jump on you for saying it. It doesn't mean you agree with it, it's just looking at the situation objectively given what has been reported in the news. Now I am curious about what can happen. I don't know, this whole situation is so sadly fascinating to me, I guess because I'm also a cam model who just wants to make a living without hurting anybody. I don't know the model but I want to root for her because I don't think what she did was morally wrong. Well, except the meth part, of course.

TheBrownFox
03-19-2013, 03:59 PM
Let me just say how happy I am for the "no outing" rule here on SW. You don't realize how much drama and bullshit that rule actually prevents until you see that shit in practice on other camming forums. Not pretty.

This.

If a fellow cam girl who I post on the same forum(s) with ended up locked up and facing harsh penalties, the last thing I'd be doing is laughing and joking about it. And what kills me is that I've seen people from elsewhere talk shit about THIS forum, but for the most part the people on this forum are supportive and caring. And we don't have a bunch of trolls signing up left and right to put models on blast.

sexysusie
03-19-2013, 07:03 PM
That's how I feel BrownFox. I don't know her or care for some of the things she has said, but have followed her progress over the couple of years I've been camming, and I feel for her now that she's going through this. Doesn't matter what she's done that people don't like, it just matters that she's not badly treated while in custody, and that her babies are safe and cared for. And of course her associates who were also arrested (people seem to be forgetting them)

TheBrownFox
03-20-2013, 02:56 AM
We can't name names on here, which means I can't post a link to the blog I got this from, but it's the blog of a sweetheart fellow cam girl that I respect. :) This is what it says:

Just got word that *model's name* was allowed out today to take care of the babies but still has to pay bail. The other two arrested are still in jail. There were no drug charges. Tomorrow she should know more about whats happening.

sexysusie
03-20-2013, 05:05 AM
Oh that's such good news;D thanks for the update x

GlamourRouge
03-29-2013, 11:24 AM
She has been released with no charges in case you are wondering. The issue lies in the fact that many cam girls don't realize camming is filming blatant pornography, which is either illegal or looked down upon by your landlord and will get you in trouble if word gets out.

The other 2 people she was with were released also.

justanothercamgirl
03-29-2013, 11:53 AM
She has been released with no charges in case you are wondering. The issue lies in the fact that many cam girls don't realize camming is filming blatant pornography, which is either illegal or looked down upon by your landlord and will get you in trouble if word gets out.

The other 2 people she was with were released also.

I was wondering!

Thank you so much GlamourRouge for the update.

LittleLexy
03-29-2013, 12:36 PM
Thanks Glamour! :) I was watching for any updates on this for while then just didn't look anymore. I'm happy she's out!! I don't know her, and I have never viewed her cam before but to be arrested for camming seemed so silly. I had to laugh at the news videos I seen on it. The cop holding the dildo like it was some crazy weapon or gun was just stupid. I'm like are you freaking serious..its a damn dildo..big freaking deal LOL

Snowy0Star
03-29-2013, 02:34 PM
I went on her twitter as soon as I saw this she going on a ramage giving everyone that said bad shit about her a piece of her mind aparently she plans on moving to America I wonder if shes still planning to cam still now that her legal names been outed by the media

TheBrownFox
03-29-2013, 03:08 PM
I went on her twitter as soon as I saw this she going on a ramage giving everyone that said bad shit about her a piece of her mind

I don't blame her. Whether she was in the wrong or not, some of the shit people were saying about her was just cruel and uncalled for. Now that she's out, I'm curious how many people are gonna start backpedaling with their comments. LOL.

Snowy0Star
03-29-2013, 03:11 PM
I don't blame her. Whether she was in the wrong or not, some of the shit people were saying about her was just cruel and uncalled for. Now that she's out, I'm curious how many people are gonna start backpedaling with their comments. LOL.

I didnt mean for it to sound like a bad thing sorry if it came out that way i talked to her on twitter a bit yesterday. whats been going down with her and ppl talking shit is utter bullshit. I now shes out and seeing all this stuff she needs let ppl know whats up ppl should not have been saying shit without ALL the facts the media makes up shit and sometimes ppl who have no lives and nothing better to do forget that and chose not to look for the truth but go off with whats in front of them.

CummingCouple
03-29-2013, 03:49 PM
wow, I'm glad for the children that they have their mother. Hopefully everyone takes this as a precaution. I'm very glad our apartment doesnt even have a credit check. the landlord literally said " I dont care how you get it as long as the rent is paid on time" It's in dire need of repair but I'm glad its legal here. Hopefully she comes back if she intends on camming still.

Snowy0Star
03-29-2013, 03:52 PM
wow, I'm glad for the children that they have their mother. Hopefully everyone takes this as a precaution. I'm very glad our apartment doesnt even have a credit check. the landlord literally said " I dont care how you get it as long as the rent is paid on time" It's in dire need of repair but I'm glad its legal here. Hopefully she comes back if she intends on camming still.

Yeah i know i dont wanna ask her on twitter because i know shes got a shit ton on her plate right now and i feel its a bit intrusive since shes doesnt really know me

TheBrownFox
03-29-2013, 06:02 PM
I didnt mean for it to sound like a bad thing sorry if it came out that way.


No, YOU didn't say anything wrong. :)

PeachyPie
03-29-2013, 09:02 PM
this post has made me a little paranoid- does anyone know of a good place to research the porn laws etc in the US? I just want to stay safe!

GlamourRouge
03-29-2013, 09:34 PM
this post has made me a little paranoid- does anyone know of a good place to research the porn laws etc in the US? I just want to stay safe!

Honestly, if someone really wants to fuck you over, they can. They can tell your landlord you're filming porn (which you are), or if you own your own, they can go to your Home Owners Association and complain. If they investigate it, they would probably kick you out for "filming porn" which would be against the rules of the HOA.

The good thing is, you can fight all of this with a really good lawyer just like said cam girl in the OP did. ...But the question becomes, would you really WANT to stay in the same place around people who don't want you there?

I think the best thing you can do to prevent this is either buy a house in a very liberal area (or if you buy in a conservative area don't tell anyone what you do). And don't film with other girls (or guys) in your place. You don't want to draw any attention to yourself.

SarahTime
03-29-2013, 09:37 PM
I'm SO glad she got this all sorted out. What an absolute nightmare.


this post has made me a little paranoid- does anyone know of a good place to research the porn laws etc in the US? I just want to stay safe!

her explanation here is exactly how it would play out in the US as well.

"The problem is that in Thai Law it does not state anywhere what exactly is considered to be offensive : it is left to the judge to decide and so you get very subjective judgements that then are attacked by the lawyer referring to another judgement by another judge in a similar case …1 case and you would get 5 different verdicts and measures …"

The problem in the US is also that the law is very unclear on what is "obscene" and therefore it's open to interpretation by the judge. Most all places have obscenity laws, you won't be able to look up "porn laws", you want to search for obscenity laws and don't expect to find much as they are very, very vague and like I said, open to interpretation which could be completely different from one judge to the next.

The best thing to do is to lay as low as possible.

PeachyPie
03-29-2013, 09:51 PM
thanks, I meant obscenity laws but I couldn't think of the term durrr x__x

pixiepower329
03-30-2013, 11:26 AM
Let me say first, that I do feel bad that all this has happened to her, despite my personal feelings based on her actions towards some cam ladies that I happen to care about.... but....


1. She acknowledged months ago that she knew it wasn't legal in Thailand. This wasn't an "Oh I didn't know" situation. She had even joked about paying the right people in the past.

2. MFC had already stopped accepting new registrations from Thailand.. I'm fairly certain that now they are tossing out anyone registered there before the lock. Those in countries where this activity is strictly illegal shouldn't be surprised if they start tossing more and more people off rather than risk legal implications.

GlamourRouge
03-30-2013, 11:44 AM
Let me say first, that I do feel bad that all this has happened to her, despite my personal feelings based on her actions towards some cam ladies that I happen to care about.... but....


1. She acknowledged months ago that she knew it wasn't legal in Thailand. This wasn't an "Oh I didn't know" situation. She had even joked about paying the right people in the past.

2. MFC had already stopped accepting new registrations from Thailand.. I'm fairly certain that now they are tossing out anyone registered there before the lock. Those in countries where this activity is strictly illegal shouldn't be surprised if they start tossing more and more people off rather than risk legal implications.

^^^ She has already addressed #1 on her blog. She said majority of her filming is done outside Thailand (since she tends to film with other models, and most do not live in Thailand), and that camming in Thailand is actually LEGAL if you block Thailand because Thailand can't consume porn, and camming isn't creating video. Its a very grey area because you can't prove someone is doing sexual acts- especially when you block the country of Thailand so no Thai people can even see what she's doing. To this day, no Thai people could prove she was doing pornographic acts on cam because they couldn't view it, so therefore had no proof, which is why she was set free.

She really did nothing wrong to be honest. The law is open to interpretation and she has a good lawyer so it worked out. Her visa had expired because you can't fly while pregnant or with tiny infants, so she was forced to stay in Thailand for a long stretch of time. And that is actually legal.

As for #2, she isn't Thai, so she did nothing wrong. She has a different home base, and its not Thailand. So it was okay for her to have an MFC account.

pixiepower329
03-30-2013, 11:49 AM
I didn't say she did anything wrong by being with MFC... that was more of a side note since there were people asking why MFC would allow registrations from countries where it is illegal...

As far as the other goes-- she openly acknowledged months ago that she KNEW she was breaking the law. Now that she is in trouble, her KICK ASS lawyer is telling her exactly what to say (as he should). It has nothing to do with grey area, it has everything to do with CYA, which I don't fault her for one little bit. The whole purpose of my post was because of the "oh she didn't know, etc.etc.etc. BS". She isn't getting out of things on a technicality-- she's getting out with cold hard cash. Money talks in a big way over there.... and she isn't one who hurts for it.

GlamourRouge
03-30-2013, 01:49 PM
It has nothing to do with grey area, it has everything to do with CYA, which I don't fault her for one little bit. The whole purpose of my post was because of the "oh she didn't know, etc.etc.etc. BS". She isn't getting out of things on a technicality-- she's getting out with cold hard cash.

She's getting off on a technicality because the drugs weren't hers, she tested sober, and camming is not illegal in Thailand. The technicality aspect is that producing and consuming pornography is, but she had Thailand blocked (therefore no Thai person is consuming any porn by her) and produced any girl/girl videos outside Thailand so it wasn't produced there. The other technicality is that no Thai people could prove she was doing explicit acts on cam because she had Thailand blocked so they couldn't watch, and when they busted through the door unannounced she was just laying around in a bikini, so Thai officials had no proof that she was filming any explicit acts. She wrote about it on her blog.

All laws are open to interpretation. That's just what law is. But if you can argue you're case and find loopholes/technicalities like she did, and anyone else can, then you're good. Camming is totally a grey area and can be argued both ways. The issue is when you're renting (like she was), and your landlord finds out, he/she won't be very happy what you are doing to get money and will try to get you out.

MarleyCat
03-30-2013, 03:56 PM
^^^ She has already addressed #1 on her blog. She said majority of her filming is done outside Thailand (since she tends to film with other models, and most do not live in Thailand), and that camming in Thailand is actually LEGAL if you block Thailand because Thailand can't consume porn, and camming isn't creating video. Its a very grey area because you can't prove someone is doing sexual acts- especially when you block the country of Thailand so no Thai people can even see what she's doing. To this day, no Thai people could prove she was doing pornographic acts on cam because they couldn't view it, so therefore had no proof, which is why she was set free.

She really did nothing wrong to be honest. The law is open to interpretation and she has a good lawyer so it worked out. Her visa had expired because you can't fly while pregnant or with tiny infants, so she was forced to stay in Thailand for a long stretch of time. And that is actually legal.

As for #2, she isn't Thai, so she did nothing wrong. She has a different home base, and its not Thailand. So it was okay for her to have an MFC account.


Camming from home has also been illegal in Los Angeles for about a year, unless You pay those ridiculous fees of $800 per every few weeks. Also, more than one person camming is not allowed~EVER!! Also c4s is illegal also. or any kind of selling of panties, etc.
The cops don't even need a search warrant in L.A. to go into your place, arrest You, and take all the evidence they need. Crazy! (read about it on the AVN.com website,- search in the 'legal' section.). Or go to twitter and look at Attorney Michael Fattorosi's tweets about it.
Also, With measure B that has passed, lots of the porn studios there are thinking about pulling up stakes, and moving to vegas to shoot.
I cringe when a girl proudly says that she lives in L.A., when a freeloader asks. She obviously doesn't know about the new laws there. He's most likely is a cop, and is recording her saying that she lives there.


^^^ I have heard that they plan to start filming porn outside LA, like in the desert-y areas. Probably like Lancaster / Palmdale, or maybe further east like Palm Springs. I bet Palm Springs would be in an uproar about it since its already a very wealthy area.

Vegas would be ideal though, but I did real that Vegas will never let that happen though. I forget the reasons they listed against it. I think they have some sort of law against it or something. Vegas really would be the perfect place to film though since housing is relatively cheap. I know Brazzers films a lot in Vegas.

Vegas, Miami, outside LA, or San Antonio area still seem like the best places to film. I'm interested to see how this pans out. I know they are going to try and film in LA as long as possible though, since that's where most pornographic people are tied down to. People own homes here, have families and lives there you know? I really do think Vegas is their best bet though if they can get around the laws.

This is all such great information ladies.

Thank you so much and it makes me feel much better knowing that I'm not being paranoid at all. Just safe.

I already have all of California blocked for all of my accounts because I know people all over the state. Wouldn't want anyone to really find out about this. Especially since I work with and around children a majority of the time nowadays.

I'm really glad it all worked out for that model too. It really just shows that you can't be too careful. No matter what, I'm keeping California and Los Angeles BLOCKED. I never tell guys where I am anyway because I'm too scared they'll go looking for me. When guys ask, I just say, "I'm in SoCal in the middle of the desert! BOY IT SURE IS HOT! TIP ME SO I CAN TAKE MY CLOTHES OFF"

KimKlass
03-31-2013, 02:21 AM
HOLY FUCK. I knew exactly who it was before I clicked the verified link. Holy shit.

KimKlass
03-31-2013, 04:22 AM
Okay read more, here and ACF. Nonononononono she does not deserve this. Just no. I guess the global war on women continues its nasty saga ...

Juliette25
03-31-2013, 08:28 AM
I just realized who this is and I feel ill.

alex00
02-23-2017, 12:34 PM
Does anyone cam in south east asia mostly on stream ate? Ive always wanted to spend time in SE Asia and I'm single and not tied down to anyone spot but camming on stream ate is my main source of income. If anyone has experience with this please let me know!:) Thank You.

Blovely
02-23-2017, 12:46 PM
I would read up on the laws in Asia. I think it was Asia where that camgirl from I think Mfc got arrested.

jovannacherry
02-23-2017, 02:09 PM
there was a top model (forgot her name)/heavily tattooed who used to cam in thailand
who ended up getting thrown in jail

i guess it's illegal over there

if you want to decrease your living expenses and cam
i would try Mexico

PhatGirlDynomite!!!
02-23-2017, 03:02 PM
Does anyone cam in south east asia mostly on stream ate? Ive always wanted to spend time in SE Asia and I'm single and not tied down to anyone spot but camming on stream ate is my main source of income. If anyone has experience with this please let me know!:) Thank You.

Start at the beginning and read up on one cautionary tale. I spent a month in Malaysia a year ago and did skype shows mostly and a few SM shows I never said where I was and I stayed with someone who owned their own home and had private internet.

a few other threads on travel camming
https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/showthread.php?156527-Camming-while-living-abroad-somewhere-cheaper